The Day Michael Jordan Showed Isiah Thomas Who Is The Boss
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Who Was The Better Passer. Isiah or MJ?
Zeke
Lmfao 😂 @@hgm38
Zeke was a point guard,MJ, a Shooting guard. Just saying
@@gnnacharles1 And that’s why, I said zeke. We all know Mike could do it all, as evident when was moved to the pg. & had 10 triple dubs in 11 games.
@@hgm38 mj couldn’t do it all let’s not overhype the shoesalesman. As far as def he played the lanes allowed to ly off the players bcuz he didn’t guard the best player pippen or Rodman offend did that even grant at times…n mj couldn’t b pg bcuz he was way to selfish a ballhog if u will
Actually the Pistons didn't stop Jordan himself. That's a myth that has to always be dispelled. The problem the Bulls had in the pre-championship years wasn't that Jordan was being "stopped" but it was a COLLECTIVE talent advantage those other teams had. Between '87 and '91, in 44 head to head matchups between the Bulls and Pistons counting regular season and playoffs, Jordan averaged 34.5 points per game which actually exceeds his career average in the regular season (30.1) and playoffs (33.4).
Jordan was always the best player on the floor, whether it be against the Celtics, Pistons or Lakers but he never had the collective talent around him to match in order to give the Bulls a realistic shot of beating those teams.
Exactly. Jordan's place in NBA history was going to be were it is regardless. Had Pippen not joined the team, he would have still been every bit the MJ we know, but we would be taking about him in the same context we speak of Barry Sanders in football. That being "its a shame he wasn't on a winning team."
Jordan dismantled that team and broke it apart
After the Pistons kicked his butt 3 years in a row in the playoffs and the bulls got rodman and Saley from the pistons.
@@rpena62uhhm are u mis counting history rodman was on that Pistons team u know right or maybe u trying to rewrite history too?
They got the BETTER of Jordan 🤣🤣✌️
@@jabulanichinkwitaphiri4370 You are literally reposting what he said.
@@MDMC313 not really, dude Is implying that bulls needed Rodman to beat the Pistons, AND that never happened
MJ is such a great player as even when he is being guard by 2 to 3 defensive opponents, he knows when to pass or get through the gaps in such tight defense. GOAT!
MJ really take this very personal 🔥
He's still bitter about it to this day because Isiah has a winning record vs. him.
@@Will_MoffettYou can't believe that. MJ has 6 rings with 2 three peats, and the Olympic medal Zeke is still crying about.
@@goodymob9638 Isiah Thomas is a beloved figure in Chicago and one of the all time great ballers in the history of the NBA. Jordan was one of several players who conspired to keep Isiah off the dream team. But a lot of the animosity has to do with Chicago. Isiah being from Chicago, MJ feeling threatened by that, MJ struggling vs. the Pistons, and then you have Chicago being such a nasty place for black people with the segregation producing people who are, frankly, hard to get along with. There is a lot more under the surface on the MJ-Isiah rivalry.
@@Will_Moffett That's false, the Olympic story has already been debunked.
Mike and his mental issues are hilarious.
The true masterclass in that game IMHO.. was that Jordan completely and utterly shut down Dumars that game. I like Joe but it wasn't even close.
So true that MJ would read from the Bird script to become a champion realizing that even Superman can’t triumph until getting his supporting cast into the game, and my goodness he learned to do it well. And I couldnt think of two players who have influenced the game more to make younger players fun to watch. Bird/Jordan perhaps the best ever and what memorable playoff matchups.
Of course, Magic for MJ was no more than a disappearing act. LOL, SMH.
Ncca champion. 4 gold medals from the Olympics,. Stop the bs, Mj never needed any lessons from Larry Bird.
And that was all privy to ever playing Bird.
MJ really showed why he's the 🐐
Are you including his first six years in the league???
Detroit was going for a 3 peat they were the defending champs for 2 years.. They made MJ into a beast.. MJ and the bulls beat them and the rest was history
Fact, but basketball fans that is not font of MJ will tell you that he Never beat The Best Team Ever...If he did not defeat the Piston they would be the Dynasty to beat.
@@hensali78 Jordan never beat a healthy* Celtics team with Larry Bird. Father time and a bad back set the Celtics off course - a course where Len Bias lives to be some help, and Larry is not sidelined by his back... Red Auerbach and Bill Russell would still have the most Championship rings, not Phil Jackson...
@@williestyle35if and buts, you are not serious
@@linorestrepolobo3620 I am serious. You can check the record at any time : Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls never beat the Celtics while Larry Bird was healthy (and in later years other teams eliminated the Celtics before the Bulls would have had to face them).
@@williestyle35 I know cause I saw it, it was two 5 game series. A team with 5 HOFs against MJ and a bunch of nobodies. And he still averaged above 40 and was the best player on the floor. You absolutely lack context. Once you start talking about Len Bias and what could have happened you enter fantasy land, not serious at all
MJ was extra filthy in those years, just a savage nobody had ever seen anything like it.
“Advanced age “of Bird team? Last time I checked, the 1998 champions were the oldest and they were Jordan’s team. No excuses
Well it wasn't really age, but injuries that killed that Celts team. Starting in 88 Bird was injured damn near all the time it seemed like, especially 89-91. He had that bad back injury, plus heel spur injuries.
McHale was hurt all the time too. So basically their 2 best players. Kinda hard to defeat Michael Jordan or the bad boy Pistons without your 2 best hall of famers.
Bird had double achilles injuries and had been playing for 5-6 years with a broken back, dude. Try to sit at your desk tomorrow at work with a broken back, see if you can finish the day without checking in a hospital.
Lies , veteran teams were the elites in those days when they saw who Jordan was becoming they all got out the way because he was literally embarrassing the league words of chuck daily Detroit's head coach bird him self even said it was like playing against god in Jim shorts .
@@josemanuelcaballero1162back then that was nothing for guys playing with injuries, Jordan came back after a career type injury to his foot and the doctors thought he came back too soon and was jeopardizing his career by coming back too early.
I’m pretty sure Pippen wasn’t an Allstar in 91. Jordan won a championship with no other Allstar in 91, and 98.
He was tho…Google is free
@@KARLKAM no he was not. He was not an allstar in 91. He was in 90, and 92, but not 91. Google is not all knowing. You do realize they change things to fit a certain agenda, right? I actually lived this.
@@KARLKAM just like, they will tell you that the Bulls were favored to win in 91, but that is also false. I have the original newspaper clippings to prove it’s false. The same with 98. The Jazz beat the Bulls in both regular season games, and had home court advantage. The Jazz were favored to win in 98. Google will say otherwise.
Just the look of MJ, shows he was at least 40 years into the future 🔥
The difference was Coach Jackson and Scottie Pippen. Pippen was an ideal complement to Jordan. Jackson convinced Jordan that Jordan had to use his teammates. This was something Bird and Magic did immediately, which is why Bird and Magic dominated the 80s - best decade of the NBA. What makes Jordan's story so cherished is because Jordan evolved throughout his career, never seen before or since in the NBA, and then it had a story book ending with six titles.
@4:22 _you definitely don't see this in a 2nd qtr modern day NBA basketball game. 😂🤣😂
I didn't realize it when I was a kid, but Laimbeer is actually trying to elbow the guy in the head every time someone drives (unless he's able to get there early enough to make a legit defensive play)
The Jordan Rules helped make MJ better.
I love when they talk about teams in the 80's that could beat Michael Jordan. Maybe because it was Jordan (alone) against Bird with McHale and many star players or Jordan against Magic. Magic had his support system and Jordan was ALONE. When Jordan joined the BUlls in 1984 the BUlls were known as the Cocaine Circus. Jordan never had ONE allstar player until 1991. In 1991 Pippen finally became an Allstar after practicing and playing with Jordan for four years. Pippen never even played bb in college. Check Pippen out on youtube in the 80's starting with 1987 he wasn't even a starter.
Lebron took a team of no names to the Finals.
@@acknickulus in the weakest eastern conference era
@@acknickulusno names , but we’re way more efficient than lebum 😂. Here’s the thing …. Jordan took no names to the playoffs every year . Than when he got that all star , he won , and didn’t look back . Two three peats . Lebum can’t even get 1 . Def wouldn’t have a back to back championship if he didn’t have to water down the east even more , by joining forces with a championship team and fmvp wade , took Bosh too, wich took Toronto out . But we know you lebum fans celebrate mediocrity , he made it to the finals 10 times , my glorious king … but he lost 6 times n the finals. But finishing runner up a lot is a celebration for your mediocre king .
@@kauffamn1016 To the playoffs. I'm talking about TO THE FINALS! All you Jordan testicle riding fools always bring join forces as if LeBron would have played with future hall of famers in Cleveland like Jordan did in Chicago, it would have been a need to leave. You must love riding the Johnson of man that got punked by Detroit to the point where 25 years later he's still acting like a petulant child. Thank God for Scottie Pippin because he wouldn't have won nothing as he proved that he couldn't win one without him.
@@acknickulus that's all you bronsexuals ever hold onto and EVERY FAILURE WAS NOT HIS FAULT RIGHT? lebron averages big numbers but gets swept "he did his job so its not his fault" but jordan averaging 43.9 against the celtics and its so what they lost.. he couldnt get the job done. Why does lebron get a pass and jordan doesn't???
1991 was the year Mike decided to play the Pistons like Bird would and he got Bird results, his first championship.
You don't get changes like that overnight, and You need the team to fit in the game plan as well..surely this has been a season/s-long development started from collective coach/managerial approach which included MJ as he was the main driver since his NBA debut.
I remember the officiating changed quite a bit from the previous season .. touch Jordan and its a foul
3:54 Wrong picture... You showed Bill Laimber 🙂 Nice video though!!!
Great breakdown
Phil Jackson being elevated to head coach made a huge difference. Once Jordan began to trust `him` he started trusting his teammates, and when that happened, the Jordan Rules became not only ineffective, but counter-effective.
And the refs started calling a foul if you even looked at Jordan the wrong way
@@wheel631lol Reminds me of Magic Johnson roasting him when they took a picture on the dream team. "I don't want to get close to Mike. Someone might call a foul on me."
Nice breakdown 👍🏿
great work 💪🏼
Thank you 🙌
MJ was never intimidated by Detroit, his teammates were but not Mike
Haha oh he was intimidated!!! Y u think he cried to his daddy David stern? Stop the mj hype hes overhyped shoesalesman that’s it
@@user-re4ui5dm7cYou don’t know basketball bud
Dumbest comment ever
@@BLACKNINJAXX was bird intimidated when he swept mj 2x’s in the first round? Was Thomas intimidated when they whooped mj 3x’s before finally losing…and well magic n the lakers whooped everyone so was magic intimidated? Go to Olympic game magic was talking shit to mj people don’t talk shit to someone they fear! U been cooked n dismissed
@@user-re4ui5dm7c First of all majority of MJ teams sucked they were even lucky they got into the playoffs. Bird had the best team in the league at that time all of the players are in their prime. The pistons were dominant too they had a far better team than MJ so I don’t see your point.
Great game I remember calling my cousin in Detroit we. Won Jordan and bulls ❤was Great I will always remember them bulls years
Good analysis
They won because pip grant and others step up!!! In 89 game 6 pippen did not play because of a hit on his head by laimbeer he was out. 90 game 7 the migraine! Grant 2pts... anyway
from that moment onwards.. mj became the proud daddy of isaiah thomas and the whole detroit pistons team
Yes, as well as daddy to every other NBA franchise.
Jordan was never intimidated by any team or anybody in the league.
Just because you aren’t intimidated doesn’t mean you are gonna win. I seen a love of brave people get their ahh whooped.
Jordan was never intimidated by Detroit. Bad choice of words my guy
Jordan said that the rims in the Palace looked smaller than any other arena.
😂 7:10 😂 Jordan Rules 😂
Game is like watching wresting, can't forget how the Chief pummel Bills face and how there was no ejection after.
Then after the sweep, the pistons tucked their tails and ran into the locker room without shaking hands like the sore losers they were.
But they beat him a lot and won a back to back...say what u. want MJ struggled until he didn't and. trusting. his teammates
Losers with 2 rings (could have been easily 4) in the hardest NBA decade. A decade in which MJ Bulls did not even make to the finals. Not even with Pippen and a growing supporrting cast. Show some respect to the history of this game, casual.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Bulls beat their asses and they couldn’t congratulate them like men. Cuz the pistons weren’t men. Just a sorry bunch of lame bruisers who got beat. Cry about it.
I hated that team they were great but cocky I was a Jordan fan from the 86 game when he dropped 63 and it's fitting his dynasty started sweeping the bad boys
Shout out Tim Grover 0:45
real talk. If Pippen had done his part in the ECF the previous year, the Bulls would have beaten the Pistons in 1990 as well and maybe the Bulls would have 4-Peated prior to MJ's first retirement.
No, they wouldn't have. They won when they were supposed to.
So interesting to see how they would take shots standing on or just in front of the 3 pt line. They didn’t live and die by the three-point shot back then. Much more interesting.
Jordan so good they had to play another sport to stop him. The flagrant foul is the most necessary rule in the game of basketball. Imagine, guys like Kobe, Curry and Lebron getting the Jordan rules. Probably only Kobe could endure it but idk if Curry could and Lebron would be crying to the refs all game.
We got swept, bulls were younger. Life goes on. Pistons were getting old😢
At 5:24 Horace, not Cartwright rebounds...
😂😂😂
The Pistons created a monster and it ate them alive.
After beating him down like a baby 3 years in a row !
I mean wow,thean was Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year.
That's Once in like A 50 year thing
Crazy... Jordan and the conflict with Pistons and Rodman ... then years later...being his teammate to win 3more.
Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, MJ. Nice core lineup and start to a dynasty
I must say time makes fools of all of us. He didn't fail he went above and beyond what they expected of him.
7:12 Detroit deliberately tried to trip MJ. Dirtiest team ever.
Draymond Green was made for that team
He also won DPOY, SO it wasn't just scoring.
People try to say these guys were old when MJ beat em but pistons were on a dynasty trajectory having one 2 Isiah was just 30 years old roght there in prime age and everyone else was about the same age oldest guy was 36 next guy was 34 and than 30 and under
MJ shows us all that, if you put good people around a player motivated and determined to be great the rest will follow. That's the meaning of a great, and I mean great leader. Us military veterans definitely can respect that. # facts 11 Charlie all day the United States Army for life. Attention!
If they never implemented the Jordan rules. How many Championships🏀 he would've won cause they couldn't of Stopped him hmmmm🤔
No doubt in my mind chicago would have beaten portland in 1990
Idk, the Jordan rules changeed him, he Made himself stronger to beat the rules, imo that's what nmade him unstoppable
Jordan needed that adversity to become better.
Refs also had their don't touch Jordan rules - that became the standard
Every true champion must overcome some adversity. Some nemesis. Something.
1:20 (: Fun Fact : "three-peat" and "Threepeat" come from the Los Angeles _Lakers_ organization. Pat Riley filed for the copyright © protection on the term for winning three Championships in row at the beginning of 1988 - 89 NBA season. The Lakers had won the previous two NBA Championships, and he got a bright idea. The Pistons immediately ended that idea by winning a tough and rough championship in 1988 - 89 ... heh
*Chicago did that Threepeat thang, twice* .
😊
The big thing back then in the papers and from the pundits was that 'home court advantage' was valued. The Bulls worked pretty hard to solidify home court, but of course that isn't the end all be all. And it wasn't just about Pippen emerging or Jordan - there was a toughness brought in from Cliff Levingston & BJ/King were starting to play better and the triangle had full buy-in. The biggest 'odd man out' was Dennis Hopson and part of that was Jordan's fault. But yeah, it was their time.
MJ let Isiah knows in 1991 ECF vs Pistons your championship regin is over.Chicago Bulls was ready to dominate the 1990s
MJ is great he can fly and draw while on the air.❤❤❤
It doesn't hurt to be objective. When I speak to my uncles (I'm a Gen Xer), they talk about MJ like he's the second-best of all time, no matter what. I don't know if it's true; most of the legends they tell me about, I only read about them, so I can't say it with absolute certainty. All that to say, it's something to consider
Those sneakers, to this day, still outsell every other basketball shoe by current pkayers.
None of today's teams can do a three peat! Leave alone twice.....that is the difference between MJ and the rest....
It is, still a double three peat was more possible in the 90s than in the core 80s. Without Dr j /moses 76ers, the Showtime, Birds Celtics and the Bad Boys around. I still think the 5 titles the Lakers got have more merit. And the biggest what if for me is what could have happened if 1) Pete Maravich health and psyche did not deteriorate, 2) Bird had not broken his back , 3) Bill Walton did not break himself neither and 4) Len Bias had not killed himself. Any combination of 2 of these 4 factors would have easily doubled the Celtics titles. A combination of the 4 factors would have given the Celtics the whole decade, along with MVPs and finals MVPs being lotteried among their rosters only.
Isiah Thomas is the only NBA player who has a winning percentage in head to head matchup with Michael Jordan.
I don't know where you got that, but it's not true. There are 76 NBA players that never once lost to MJ.
It didn’t hurt that the flagrant foul was implemented that year either.
I thought it was the Olympic team versus the nba
It's funny counting how many defensive fouls that would have been called in today's game. *Jordan averaged over 30 points per game against that....*
bulls won only once compared to the 3 times the pistons won against bulls. and yet people are saying that MJ is the greatest. bcoz isiah and the bad boys doesnt have the charisma and the intensity the bulls had. people talked more of bird and magic but no isiah n the pistons. bcoz isiah won the 2 rings by being bad to other players. thats ur legacy isiah.
Those pistons wanted to play australian rules football…lol
Lamebeer should have been fouled hard every play
Boss MJ 🐐👑
Basketball is a TEAM sport. Not sure why some people don’t get this. I don’t care how good you are. You need help. Kobe was the one who did the most with less in his 2nd run without Shaq. But even he needed help. This is NOT boxing, wrestling, MMA, or tennis..
GOAT
What if in that game Lebron was MJ ? Lebron fans, please, try to find out who was MJ. Isae can surely help you !
Isaiah never mention he got swept by Jordan 4 - o
It's nothing to say, MJ, all the way.😮 9:39
It's impossible to say who the GOAT player in NBA history was. The more interesting question is; If you could pick any player in NBA history to start an NBA franchise with today, who would you pick?
It's a tough question.
Actually Chicago would’ve beat my pistons in 1990 hadn’t Pippen not had a migraine and he couldn’t play in gm 7. They wasn’t beating the pistons without Scottie. Which is something ppl don’t talk about…and this is coming from a Detroiter and Bad Boy lover.
Jordan only got by the Pistons in '91 because the NBA changed the rules. B o o h o o
Super unimportant question: Who is the narrator here? I can't place the voice and it's driving me nuts.
OK, I understand the headline but you gotta do it both ways. Meaning you gotta show when Isaiah Thomas show Michael Jordan who was the boss also
How the 45 jersey in 91 ?
Is it just me or do championships seem to mean less in the NBA nowadays?
Once he got pippin and grant it changed
One of the best Jordan videos. Great job 👍
First of all the Pistons had already gone to four consecutive Eastern Conference Finals and Three straight NBA Finals. The year before they won their first title they lost to the Lakers in the NBA Finals. The year before that they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Celtics. So here they are in the Eastern Conference Finals for the fifth year in a row. It was time for the Bulls to experience getting to that next level just as the Pistons had done to get pass the Celtics. Go back and check the stats about MJ and the Bulls against the Pistons with Isaiah Thomas and the Celtics with Larry Bird. MJ had a losing record both in regular season and the playoffs. He never won a playoff series against Bird and he only won one series against Isaiah Thomas which happened to be that 1990-1991 season. Isaiah Thomas was at the end of his career and believe me he had given MJ more nightmares than any other player MJ faced his entire career. Just pull up all of the games one by one and get the facts. Especially games in Chicago where Isaiah Thomas showed MJ who was the man in Chicago being that Isaiah was born and raised in Chicago. Straight Facts
What rules changed?
Pippen had to save Jordan
What he say? The rules of the game has changed.... In favor of Jordan...
It was loaded teams playing dirty to stop THE ONE!
Isiah is still 3-1 against MJ
the team won.. but mj on ur side tilted the balance
Imagine getting trapped by Jordan and Pippen as soon as you touch the ball.
#Goodluck 💀
He did nothing until scottie pippen got there
He did nothing until David Stern introduced more money and global status for the league. They found their golden Goose and rode it.
Why does he keep calling Horace Grant Bill Cartwright ??
Dumars And Ben Wallace only pistons with Class
😅😅😅😅 thomas best player out of chi town and MJ is more loved in Chi Town give it up zexk 😅😅😅😅
1 day a year and a half before Isiah retired.. Jordan showed who's boss.. what about the half decade before that?
Stop it, he played them 3 times before that,then delivered the knock out punch. Same as, why Isiah didn’t beat Bird before
@@gnnacharles1 Isiah beat MJ 3 times, Magic once and Bird once ! Name me another guard or team that can say that ?
@@rpena62 name another guard that swept Isiah out of existence at the ripe old age of 29 then give Magic a gentleman sweep
Isaiah played till the 94 season, he was an allstar 2 more times after this so he wasnt old. Plus mike came in the nba in the mid 80s, not a whole decade.
Isiah was too short to check Mike
He never backed down tho, Isiah wasn't scared of nothing and nobody. Stockton ran, Payton tried, Barkely and the Suns got cooked, drexler got cooked, and Magic was washed.
Also the year of rule change to help push him to his first title. Look it up
So the “rule” change for Jordan only? What was that rule? Is that rule still in existence so modern players could take advantage of it ? Just asking
@@gnnacharles1 sure does exists. Doesn’t matter tho. What matters is why the rule was implemented, and when it was. He also had help with rule changes when he came back the first time. I’m sure you’re a casual and have no clue about changes to the rules
@@atriggs84 again , what is the rule? When was it implemented? What players have benefited since or was it just him? Is the rule still in existence?
@@gnnacharles1 awww man don’t be such a casual. It’s super easy to look up. I’ll give you a hint…. The 91 rule change I’m talking about, totally eliminated the “Jordan rules”.
@@atriggs84 answer the questions “casually “ please and stop repeating bs
What about this evidence would make anyone, including LeOnePieceAndABiscuit would have anyone thinking that LeLe could even compare with MJ. A big waist of time it was.
Most people don't even know who Isiah Thomas is
Sorry who’s Isaac Thomas?
Given a better supporting cast! He would have been beat Detroit is u kidding me FOUL ASS DAVID STERN HAD HIS HAND ALL IN IT
The best teams of the early/mid - mid - late 80’s were the Lakers Celtics Pistons & Bulls. Early 80’s we can obviously throw the Sixers in there but early mid - late 80’s it’s those 4. Have a look at those 4 teams - I’m mean seriously it’s 3 all time teams (that’s talent, coaching, chemistry etc etc) the Lakers/Celtics/Pistons were all time teams in every way - Chicago?? Bruh. Without MJ the 88 Bulls are picking number 1 in the following years draft. It’s 3 all time teams - and a team that had MJ and varying degrees of average-below avwrage role players and young unproven guys. And MJ single handed was making things interesting. The 89/90 back to back Pistons - they played 2 playoff series against Chicago - & 6 playoff series (that includes 2 finals) against everyone else. The Pistons beat Chicago 4-2 & 4-3. 5 defeats to Chicago…… the Pistons lost 2 games the other 6 series COMBINED. 5 games in 2 series against Chicago - 2 games total against everyone else. To put in perspective - the Pistons were 8-5 against Chicago…… they were 22-2 against everyone else. The 89 Pistons if not for MJ would hav even the first team to go undefeated the postseason. MJ carried the Bulls to 2 wins. MJ was the best player in the world - simply going against the 3 best teams in the world - while his team were like the worst-the middle of the pack depending on the year.
Aguire was a salty POS that wouldnt help in Dallas.
lebron will be crying in the floor to these kind of defense😂
what lebron nuts taste like