I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category. So a frame may have 2 As and 3 Bs but still get placed in A just based on how the kit functions for example Gyre she takes a lot of investment but makes us for it in her actual game play and effectiveness.
protea has to have a really low skill ceiling but it is really complicated for someone who just started the game because imagine going from mag "i pick up things from far away!" to protea's "we're going back in time to the first thanksgiving to take turkey off the menu"
Good video! I’m surprised you gave Revenant an S tier. After rethinking about this, indeed, after using Vazarin and high-damage warframe (like Saryn and mirage) as my daily run, almost forgot about the survivability issues.😢
Glad you enjoyed! Though revenant doesn't deal high damage with abilities he allows you to use whatever weapon combo and pretty much walk through any mission, though I do think he's on the boring side I can't deny how effective and versatile it makes him.
Especially considering that Loki was given a "D" rank. Despite the fact that he lives billions of times better, is absolutely immortal, immortality is not disabled by nullifiers and Acolytes, is much more mobile, and thanks to helminth, he can also clean out high-level mobs no worse than Octavia, even without using weapons. Well, yes... the author clearly has no expertise at all
Thank you for your feedback. At the beginning of the video, I did state that the helminth is not considered for any of the ratings it's purely based on the base kit. Though I will admit that rhat your points are valid, Loki is a still uninteresting frame with an outdated kit, and 9/10 times players will choose another frame to use, such as the one you mentioned, Octavia.
@@NimbusGaming876 Maybe. Helminth will enhance his ability to "create chaos", however, his very concept, the gameplay itself allows him to do all this even at the highest level. And, for sure, possessing invisibility and complete immortality, which cannot be undone by anything, to put him below the revenant? It's lying to your own criteria. I can agree that someone may not like this or that frame, there may be a million subjective reasons, but then why introduce criteria for rating? This, in general, applies not only to Loki, Revenant, but in general to many of the frames mentioned in the video. Subjectivity turned out to be more than a real assessment. This confuses and turns against the author, because you begin to catch him on the inconsistency of his judgments. All the best in the development of the channel!
Prepare for the Mirage mob. They also swarmed Kyaii for rating Mirage B tier. Seems there is some truth to it, though. Some of your ratings are confusing by your own metric though. Mesa for instance: 2 points S tier, 3 points A tier, 1 point B tier equals A tier by your own logic, not S. :D
Yeah I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category. Also the last time I did one of these the Nekros Mob came for me so it won't be the first time I upset a few folks lol
@@NimbusGaming876 Nekros deserves exactly what you gave him. People just love their easy Warframes and would rate them S tier just from that standpoint alone. Where I come from, classes are rated for their peak performance, not newbie performance or their simplicity.
I think Koumei deserves atleast C tier, Her 4th and passive are fun, and the 3rd ability is a real gamble (lol), it is a decent survival ability but the problem is Revenant is unkillable so those comparisons really dampen her imo.
Protea is main....low skill gap, but very much mod dependent, most new players gonna have problems from energy sustain mix with damage...but definitely to me the 2nd easiest frame to octavia
Depending on playstyle protea has very manageable energy economy just by using her 3rd ability and equilibrium which is a mod you get relatively early.
Yeah I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category.
Nah I spent like 30 hours pretending to be cinderblock from Teen Titans, he's okay for a bit but then you start to notice how clunky he is in most situations and for the most part doesn't offer anything you wouldn't be able to do better on a different frame.
Said this in the first minute of the video, it's not based on who can go to level cap the easiest nor does it take in account special synergies or helminth abilities just base kit and augment mods are considered. Every frame can be taken to level cap with the right set up plus only like 1% of players care to go level cap.
I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category. So a frame may have 2 As and 3 Bs but still get placed in A just based on how the kit functions for example Gyre she takes a lot of investment but makes us for it in her actual game play and effectiveness.
protea has to have a really low skill ceiling but it is really complicated for someone who just started the game because imagine going from mag "i pick up things from far away!" to protea's "we're going back in time to the first thanksgiving to take turkey off the menu"
Ngl this pretty much sums up my first time playing protea in the circuit lol
Hydroid getting A tier is unexpected but very happy to see
Good video!
I’m surprised you gave Revenant an S tier.
After rethinking about this,
indeed, after using Vazarin and high-damage warframe (like Saryn and mirage) as my daily run, almost forgot about the survivability issues.😢
Glad you enjoyed! Though revenant doesn't deal high damage with abilities he allows you to use whatever weapon combo and pretty much walk through any mission, though I do think he's on the boring side I can't deny how effective and versatile it makes him.
Especially considering that Loki was given a "D" rank. Despite the fact that he lives billions of times better, is absolutely immortal, immortality is not disabled by nullifiers and Acolytes, is much more mobile, and thanks to helminth, he can also clean out high-level mobs no worse than Octavia, even without using weapons. Well, yes... the author clearly has no expertise at all
Thank you for your feedback. At the beginning of the video, I did state that the helminth is not considered for any of the ratings it's purely based on the base kit. Though I will admit that rhat your points are valid, Loki is a still uninteresting frame with an outdated kit, and 9/10 times players will choose another frame to use, such as the one you mentioned, Octavia.
@@NimbusGaming876 Maybe. Helminth will enhance his ability to "create chaos", however, his very concept, the gameplay itself allows him to do all this even at the highest level. And, for sure, possessing invisibility and complete immortality, which cannot be undone by anything, to put him below the revenant? It's lying to your own criteria. I can agree that someone may not like this or that frame, there may be a million subjective reasons, but then why introduce criteria for rating? This, in general, applies not only to Loki, Revenant, but in general to many of the frames mentioned in the video. Subjectivity turned out to be more than a real assessment. This confuses and turns against the author, because you begin to catch him on the inconsistency of his judgments. All the best in the development of the channel!
Thank you. I'll be making a video about Loki going at it from your perspective. Maybe it'll change some of my views on him. Stay tuned!
Prepare for the Mirage mob. They also swarmed Kyaii for rating Mirage B tier.
Seems there is some truth to it, though. Some of your ratings are confusing by your own metric though. Mesa for instance: 2 points S tier, 3 points A tier, 1 point B tier equals A tier by your own logic, not S. :D
Yeah I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category.
Also the last time I did one of these the Nekros Mob came for me so it won't be the first time I upset a few folks lol
@@NimbusGaming876 Nekros deserves exactly what you gave him. People just love their easy Warframes and would rate them S tier just from that standpoint alone.
Where I come from, classes are rated for their peak performance, not newbie performance or their simplicity.
@@Gleandranekros can stand still and do SP missions with just his companion and summons now. He’s definitely insane
@@PDX.Spectre We must be playing a different game, because the missions I know involve moving from A to B, not standing still in survival missions.
With 1999 stuff NEkros can deal decent damage with good scaling.
Yeah he's a lot better now with the new summon mods and arcanes added.
chroma investment should be a D
You might be right, at the time of making the video I didn't remember that I had to put 2 to 3 umbra forma into him
I think Koumei deserves atleast C tier, Her 4th and passive are fun, and the 3rd ability is a real gamble (lol), it is a decent survival ability but the problem is Revenant is unkillable so those comparisons really dampen her imo.
To be fair i think if her 3rd didn't have the 3sec cool down that alone would move her up to C
Protea is main....low skill gap, but very much mod dependent, most new players gonna have problems from energy sustain mix with damage...but definitely to me the 2nd easiest frame to octavia
Depending on playstyle protea has very manageable energy economy just by using her 3rd ability and equilibrium which is a mod you get relatively early.
Your chart and your final score dont match up. 4 B's and 2 A's = A warframe.. what?
Yeah I should have clarified more, that it's not necessarily the amount of points they get in a certain categories but how the entire kit functions. The categories just show how I think each frame is pertaining to that specific category.
Qorvex getting C is clearly a skill issue 🙄
Nah I spent like 30 hours pretending to be cinderblock from Teen Titans, he's okay for a bit but then you start to notice how clunky he is in most situations and for the most part doesn't offer anything you wouldn't be able to do better on a different frame.
Probably a List for casual players who never went over level 300 Steel Path.
If it's level cap then a lot frames here are wrong calssified
Who would you put into S-Tier? Would be interesting if we both have the same ideas.
Said this in the first minute of the video, it's not based on who can go to level cap the easiest nor does it take in account special synergies or helminth abilities just base kit and augment mods are considered. Every frame can be taken to level cap with the right set up plus only like 1% of players care to go level cap.
OP did literally say this list is not intended with level cap in mind