Austin, what about the YOKO???? Is Honeycomb better than YOKO?
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- Austin takes a look at the YOKO after declaring the Honeycomb the best yoke he had ever used. Is it still the best? That depends on what you are going for.
YES. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE BRUNNER YOKE, SO YOU CAN STOP ASKING!
Honeycomb is not designed to compete with the Yoko or it's competitors. It's designed as the highest quality for the least price to compete and beat the entry level stuff.
Casey Bartley yes that is true. But this “addendum” is fair to make and fairly put I think.
its
Honeycomb for 1/4 of the price of yoko, ill be more than happy to settle for. You can mod the Honeycomb with more resistance adding realism. Honeycomb clearly resolves the main issue with 90 degree turning.
I'd pay probably $100 more for this compared to the honeycomb, not $750 more.
Agreed. It's a shame people are paying that much for it.
Yea not a flying fuck am i paying that price! Madness.
Haha
Buying Honeycomb setup asap.
EXACTLY
I owe this man a huge debt of gratitude for hundreds of happy hours of escapism. Beats a pill hands down. Thanks bro.
This guy is so delightfully nerdy and enthusiastic, it's kind of infectious
I have to agree that a $1000 price point for a yoke is high, even if it has a higher resolution and stiffer feel. For $1000, it better have all the bells and whistles, including things like force feedback.
1000 for which yoke?
@@Kreemerz YOKO Yoke Plus is currently $1,095 at XForce PC. It's a bit pricey for my tastes.
3 times the resolution, 4 times the price.
Honeycomb is a game changer on so many levels. For the last decade settle for a crappy yoke, like Saitek/Logitech or CH, which are nearly or over two decades old. Now you can finally get a high quality yoke, that's similar to yokes like Yoko, for the same price as those two outdated shitty yokes. Let's also remember that Honeycomb is releasing a throttle quadrant next year, with a landing gear lever and fully working reverse axis, flaps and speedbrake, as well as an autopilot panel, for the same price. That's pretty much a fully working cockpit for ~$500.
the throttle quad is out an dits incredible.
As a real world GA pilot and avid flight simmer, my YOKO is the most realistic feeling piece of hardware I've used so far! Yes I wish it was less than a grand like everyone else, but I'm glad to have one in my sim pit. Beats everything else I've used until now. There is absolutely no sticking/binding of any kind, which allows for some very smooth and precise flying, especially during the round out and flare.
YES FOR ME, I'm on a tight budget. To get a proper yoke, it doesn't have to be perfect. Why? because after all, its a SIMULATOR. It will get the job done. That is the main thing. and of course the Honeycomb is better than the logitech, and more expensive. but a lot less expensive than yoko. so I'm going with the Honeycomb because money is tight and it will do the job well. a 747 Pilot named Kelsey, on channel 74 GEAR, that is what he uses. the Honeycomb and said its very realistic. So that's all I needed to hear.
Uh, folks. Not only does the Brunner have high resolution, it also offers force feedback.Which means accurate trimming. Consider testing it.
Well, they just reached out to us...so, yes, it looks like is going to happen. Give it a couple of weeks.
Michael Brown that’s good to hear. Bear in mind the Brunner software offers lots of control, and care needs to be taken to approximate RW feel. So take your time dialing it in. Better yet, send him up with a dynamometer to measure some real forces to build accurate profiles.
3 parts in 10,000 sounds close to a 12-bit ADC (0 to 4096 value). That’s probably what it uses. And AFAIK, no, it’s pretty impossible to be so accurate by hand you’d actually notice the difference in actual use.
Did Austin ever try out a yoke from Brunner? Would be really interesting to hear what he has to say about those 👍
Richard Åsberg - yes.....I’d love to see him review a load controlling yoke...and the Brunner would be my pick of the litter.
nice save michael! considering you carry both yokes... ;) if I could only afford the yoko...
The Honeycomb delivers 95% similarity to yoko with 1 key factor that we all desire and thats realism. For 250$ vs 1000$, I'd pick the 250 hands down for many reasons than more reasons to pick the yoko.
#1 I can mod the Honeycomb yoke by adding rubber bands to adding similar pressure and realism while dipping nose.
#2 Honeycomb offers 90 degree turning for what I value most in yoke.
#3 Being smart in life is saving money. So for 1/4 of the price as the yoko, I'd be foolish not to pick the Honeycomb.
#4 Honeycomb offers panel switches which also saves more money buying extra hardware.
#5 Cmon, we all can learn how to fly and learn all we need to know from the Honeycomb while saving a ton of cash.
I'm barely started my journey as a pilot. Wish me luck. And to everyone God Bless you!
"Finger my display again and I'll cut your finger."
Me to my kids.
Price should be $500. I'm no engineer but the insides doesn't look like it cost them more than $500 to put together
I put this comment on a similar video, but I think it is worth repeating. None of these yokes ever properly simulate actual trim settings. In order to do that a motor must move the center of the spring rather than unnaturally moving the yoke to center while simultaneously trimming. Simmers get used to that but it would be nice to do it for real. I modified a yoke years ago by adding a screw that moved the yoke center spring for real trim. Remember, on a real plane elevator trim reduces the force on the yoke but you do not move the yoke to do that. Even better would be a yoke that changed the spring force with airspeed. Oh well.
Love Austin’s rhetorical questions.
0:27 wow that's exactly what I sound like when I point something out
if im paying over 1k i want bells whistles and RGB lol
A few bucks more and you can have Force Feedback! Why not try the Brunner CSL-E NG yoke Austin?
Personal preference, setup choice, and investment are what's important to me. Yoko is one of the top, but i would choose the Honeycomb personally because it gives you a lot for the buck. ...and I'm not a pilot..just a sim enthusiast who enjoys flying for fun and learning. And honestly that HC throttle quadrant looks real good.
mcsstudios101 the throttle quadrant isn’t on sale yet...
@@ChrisVirgilio pre order.. i know.
So I just bought the Xforce package and this tutorial helps. The cost tho of Yoko is a bit high.
I have confirmed that I will be getting a Brunner yoke in a few weeks. So, we will be taking a look at that and make a video or two. No need to ask me anymore. It is going to happen.
you know what I don't get.... we get ffb wheels for driving simulators at a decent price, but a frickin ffb yoke is 1000$... WTH?
Yoko feels like a real yoke, I bought a used Cessa Pro, used ch rudders and a HP Reverb VR headset. This would be the next step up…
I guess I need a state the obvious. Based on Austin's descriptions of what he feels with both yokes reviewed, on Mike's channel, I have to conclude, hands down the Honeycomb is a far better dollar for dollar buy. Based on his description, and what is offered with the Yoko yoke, the price point for the Yoko should be no more than $399 to $499. Some of you will disagree with me and that is OK, but I can only make my determination based on the two yokes reviewed. I totally disagree with comments saying you're comparing apples to oranges. From a functional standpoint in what they do, they do the same thing. They pitch your airplane up and down, roll your plane left to right. Simple as that. What these two videos have shown is that the current Logitech offerings should be no more than $49.99 based on how inferior their product is now today. Disclaimer: I do own and have been using since 2015 Saitek products, so yes they have served me but not as well as they should. But that's just my opinion. Mike and Austin keep up the great work looking forward to the next videos. This is a nice collaboration, that serves the community well. This is one of the reasons why I chose X-Plane over other flight simulation products that shall not be named. X-Plane community is awesome and the developer and community relationship is awesome. Damn, Hope I didn't sound like a Kiss A$$ on that last part Cheers Dion Markgraf UA-cam:Dionm01
Spoil Sport,..yayyyy go on, name the other Simulators. I guess you mean FSX , P3D and DCS. Not hard to work out. Lol
Dion Markgraf saying they ”do the same thing” is basically true... but so do a Tesla and a Prius. I think it comes down to what you can afford and what you want. Similarly...do you buy a RTX2060 GPU or the RTX2080ti? Do you dine a Longhorn or Ruth’s Chris? There is no doubt that there is a point of diminishing returns but still the best value is not always the best personal choice.
Having tried both yokes myself and as a former military and airline pilot I think they ar both great but think your suggested target price for the Yoko is low. It is all metal and the unit is far sturdier than the Alpha. It has ball bearings on the shaft so it is very smooth. The yoke itself is cast aluminum not plastic. The switch wiring is internal. I would say it is commercial quality vs. consumer for the Alpha. Compared to the Brunner $2000 yoke the Yoko seems like a better value too.
I do agree that Honeycomb has a hit in their hands that offers the clear best choice for a sub $500 yoke which has been sadly missing up until now. Personally I preferred the cheap plastic CH yoke to the Saitek Yoke die to the annoying strong pitch centering spring that made realistic trimming almost impossible for me. Take. Care!
@@rbarlow I have to agree with Russ . This notion that an item should be sold at a given price is bizarre. Just because I think a Porsche should be sold at 30% of its current price is neither here nor there. Porsche determines its price so it makes a profit. Sell it at a price that is less than profitable , you go out of business.
Manufacturers are not charities.
Funny how he completely omitted the fact that it has only 45 degrees of rotation. This is not worth a thousand bucks. No chance
Austin, what about the Brunner CLS-E force feedback yoke???? Is Brunner better than Honeycomb & Yoko? 😁
Well, they just reached out to us...so, yes, it looks like is going to happen. Give it a couple of weeks.
@@xforcepc Awesome!
As others already said, VR in combination with a good yoke and pair of pedals (and a TQ if applicable) really transforms your simming experience to a whole new level!
Speaking of VR and a request for Austin, could you PLEASE look into the issue where any kind of precipitation moves with your head.
Looks really weird and almost makes you feel sick. Sorting that one would make VR so much more enjoyable in X-Plane!
And while I'm at it and sticking to the overall experience in the X-Plane, will we ever be able to disable AA for cloud textures?
I've mentioned it before but will repeat myself since that is one of of those things I believe would make a world of difference in increased performance for every single X-Plane user out there regardless what aircraft you're in or what computer specs you have. Wouldn't that be awesome!
Honestly I'd just be happy if I could set my view position with the oculus software, thats my only complaint to be totally honest
@@that_puffsley_guy So it doesn't feel weird to you watching every single raindrop or snowflake in the sky move in perfect synchronization with your head movements?
@ I haven't really used it because of the view position issue to be totally honest
@@that_puffsley_guy Ah. Well, good luck sorting your viewing position issue out and once you have, meaning you'll start actually using your VR headset, you'll understand what I mean with the precipitation issue in VR.
Yeah was about to buy X-Plane 11 during steam sale, then MSFS 2020 trailer was released.
I hope you have an amazing cpu
@@simplecrusader7799 u weren’t kidding....
Have Brunner changed anything with what Austin complained over? If so when will you do a new video about that? I have bought on that probably come next week! Best regards Jacob!
Thanks Mike & Austin !
Love it, but not sure I could afford the Yoko.
Your setup is awesome ! Thanks for making these videos
you should take a look at the Fulcrum One yoke
Yaw VR, VR HMD, Brunner yoke and pedals - job done!
Nice one.
I'll stick to VR controller (ergonomic mode).
It might not be as realistic as it gets but it works well in VR and I have to adupt to any stick/yoke the plane provide (which is nice).
If I had been pressed to choose, I probably invest in the Honeycomb though.
I bought a PFC for 300 bucks mint condition usb. I added a custom hat switch and it's amazing.
Is there a video on that panel? How its built and all that?
what about the Brunner force feedback yoke?
Well, they just reached out to us...so, yes, it looks like is going to happen. Give it a couple of weeks.
Nice followup review.
I could afford the Honeycomb, sooo...
Btw, your sim looks great. Garmin and extra buttons and such flesh out the effect...and that screen (must get my bib)
There is one area, I found not too much people discussed about it, is the yoke sensibility controls! x-plane shipped with both 50% if I remember it correctly. Are these settings playing a big role? Or should be change these settings depending on different hardware? Or different plane characteristics? Hopefully Austin can spend sometime to explain this and combined his personal real flying experience! Much appreciated
is the resolution only higher because the throw is lower
i would imagen it would have an effect considering the yoko only moves 45° ware the honeycomb moves 90° so the honeycomb moves twice as far
or another way to put it is it has 3x the resolution but only half the throw as ware the honeycomb hast twice the throw the 3 times less resolution
Michael Brown: What monitor is used in this video?
Does the price include a Boeing 737?
I never had my hand on, but Fulcrum as impressive as Yoko. Pricetag around 400. Would be nice to see ho is that goes vs Yoko…
Due to the fact that the yoko only seems to go about 45 degrees completely puts me off it, I would rather have the larger turn radius than the increasing tension, not to mention the much higher price
Good enough, but hardware addons for flight simulators are ridiculously expensive. I mean, what is the manufacturing cost of these? 200$ top? And they sell it for up tu 1000$ !!! Please someone control these prices.
In X-plane, how do I get the aircraft on the screen as in this video versus seeing the view from cockpit?
Good review keep em coming.
Hi Chaps,
Honeycomb will do for me, at just over £200 as apposed to £900, I'll happily suffer the loss of 7or 8000 res. As you yourself say the honeycomb looks the absolute part where as the YOKO looks so drab that it takes away from the look of a good set-up. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth!
Mike
What yoke does Austin use at his business? I’m surprised he knows very little about the Yoko. I’ve been researching hardware for over a year and the Yoko is at the top.
He addressed this in the Honeycomb yoke video, I believe. He just uses a $29 stick because he WORKS on X-Plane and needs to be able to move it out of the way and put his keyboard back in front of him to update code, etc.
Thanks it good to know how the pros do it
Any Review for the Fulcrum, they says it have full real travel, 90 degrees left and 90 degrees right, they says have a Hall Effect sensors, aviation quality switches, I would like to see you making this review. Thanks Austin Meyer and Michael Brown
Yoko with 6 simple high quality switches and maybe a rotary knob and it would sell much better....imo
Brilliant vid as always! Austin rules!
Austin, please also try a Brunner CSL-E NG force feedback yoke wich just cost a few bugs more - but it's like day and night...
We have answered this one a few times. They are supposed to send us one.
With the honeycomb.
most of the resistance comes from the bungies if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if it would be possible to swap out the default bungies for more resistant bungies.
I would personally look into adding slightly longer bungees over/alongside the existing ones. This way the resistance would get greater near the ends of travel.
Honeycomb has the best price/quality ratio... By far.
Your opinion.
Ah before i forget it cost like 1000 😁 like the price is not to important in the decision hahaha..
Att this price is what a force feedback would be
Any way when you are flying hi speed autopilot is the way to go
I have an important question that might be increasing the use of air
manager. I have been asking people with xplane10 but can apply to any
simulator. In order to see 180, we use three monitors for panoramic
views or 3D cockpit also but if the 3D cockpit can be remove(instruments
only), then we can use head tracking with if we keep the 3D
capabilities. I was told that is not possible but I found one plane that
is not finish in xplane10 under experimental planes with name VAN'S
AIRCRAFT. When I started, I only see the panoramic view (no instruments
or cockpit) but my head tracking was working and I can control head
movements in order to have realistic view of the outside. This is
fantastic to combine with air manager because you can have only one
monitor for the view using head tracking and the second one for air
manager instruments. Using four monitors requires a lot of PC. Any idea
how we can remove the cockpit with our loosing the 3d capability. Thank
you.
It also has 4x the price
I didn't expect that incredible display of flexibility...I'm pretty sure you just created a new yoga pose
250 vs 800... It's more difficult to make a great yoke for a reasonal price, than going all out and make the customer pay for everything.
Best flight sim ever
Manufacturers really have to target their mass market and not a few elites.....the price is way off the scale for most I suspect and for what it actually offers its not on my priority list....
Manufacturers don't have to do anything . They make stuff , and if people want to , they buy it . It is not a question of elitism . I cannot afford a Ferrari , but I don't think of those who can as elites , they just earn more than I do. Its called a free market economy. I like a free market economy , it provides choice.
Reason why I ve never considered the Yoko Yoke is the rediculous 40° deflection to the left or to the right!
Now Austin you should give a try to the Brunner force feedback! 😁😁😁
Not this question again...
@@xforcepc yes you ll have to review the Brunner too 😁
The Yoko goes to 60 degrees.
@@AlmostAviation youhou!
I can't fly with monitors anymore. VR has spoiled me.
Do redbird next!
Is a Cirrus PCATD yoke compatible with Xplane? It does NOT have a USB I/O port.
Can you compare the Yoko with Flight Illusions Force Feedback?
i've just discovered your channel. Do you have a layout spec of your system? Would like to know the panels you are using, etc...
To be fair, these full metal jacket yokes are 3 to 4 x the price !
i hate the glass cockpit
And I thought $250 is a bit of a stretch
Whats your stand on VR ? I have Ocul;us Rift S and just beginning to use X Plane 11 . Demo would be helpful
What is the resistance while flying a Zibo 737?
Your comparing apples to oranges. To totally different price points.
But if Austin had said the Yoko was equivalent to or worse than the honeycomb then we'd have known the Yoko wasn't worth the extra money. So a very valuable review.
However it gives a good perspective as to what you get with what I'd consider the next big step up from the Honeycomb. Very valuable as it's very hard to figure out what prices are justifiable with this sort of thing because beyond events like Flight Sim Expo there's really no opportunity to go and try out all of these products, and I think that's why many people end up with the Saitek yoke. And I mean if the saitek yoke is your budget and you don't get the chance to go out and feel the honeycomb are you really gonna know if its worthwhile to maybe save up that extra little bit just by reading a product description? Like how many people are REALLY going to know the minute differences that Austin talks about in this video like the increased resistance in the aileron movement.
while they are two vastly different products I think reviews like this definitely serve a purpose in such a niche marketplace like Flight Simulation.
The main issue with comparisons is longevity.
The Honeycomb probably has bearings that are metal on plastic. These will eventually start to stick.
Also the Honeycomb uses a potentiometer which will generate noise eventually. The expensive ones use hall sensors. That sensitivity and lack of deadzones will last that way.... forever !
I raise you to test the Brunner yoke
Nobody has ever said that before.
@@xforcepc that's why I you should do it. I tested it at flightsimcon im Orlando and it blew me away. Using PFC beech yoke now.
Here is the same reply I have made multiple times already. "Well, they just reached out to us...so, yes, it looks like is going to happen. Give it a couple of weeks."
@@xforcepc lol didn't see the other comments about it. Looking forward to it then.
It’s better but it’s not $750 more better
these videos awesome
Also doesn't rotate to 90* like a real airplane and costs 4x the Honeycomb. So no, totally not worth it. Most people are not made of money, and a guy that can buy Ferraris and Teslas like it's nothing, has no business saying what is or is not a good price.
MiG-23 exactly
MiG-23 I have a Yoko and I DON’T have a Cessna cockpit. It’s a wonderful yoke and worth every penny
MiG-23 Yes
MiG-23 Have you actually used the Yoko? The Honeycomb feels like a toy compared to the Yoko
I saw it in Orlando at the Expo. It’s better than the Saitek junk. The Yoko is definitely for a niche market
MiG-23 I’m assuming you are not a real pilot? Until you fly a real aircraft hands on you probably won’t understand how good the Yoko is. The trim is pretty close to reality especially on the new version of the yoke
Yoko??? Oh no!!
It's a thousand effing dollars! I watched honeycomb and then found this one and thought ok they must be competitors...ffs NO! Yoko should be better. Lordy. Back to honeycomb i go.
I thought the guy who made xplane would be a bit more professional but yet he is trying to put his shoe in his mouth
what about the Yoko lol
It is the price. Way too much.
So, a yoke that costs five times more is better? Big surprise!
What throttle and rudder pedals do you recommend the most with the the Honeycomb and the Yoko?
Denise Ubaldini I would say the TQ3 or TQ6 if you have the money. If you want to be more frugal the Saitek/Logitech throttles are more than adequate.
If you are on a budget, I would suggest the Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant due out early next year. As for rudder pedal I use the Saitek Rudder pedals and have no issues with them.
Good to know, thank you😃
Save a little more money and buy the MFG crosswinds they are top,i hade al the plastik ones before Saitek and CH and they are crap ;)
Guys one more question, would it be fine to pre order the Honeycomb off of MyPilotStore?
Can you make a video on Cessna 172 not stalling in xplane
Why not compare the RESOLUTION of the Gladiator II to the Brunner when you get it ? As a light plane pilot with decades of experience, being able to make tiny precise corrections using my fingertips (like a real airplane) is essential for usefulness. Just like Austin says. The Gladiator II I bought from you has acceptable resolution. The Logitech does not. (It's the only other flight control I have tried)
1 in 1,000 vs 3 in 10,000 = the latter is 30 times better, not 3 times better - a much bigger difference than suggested 🙂 Speaking from the position of someone who spent way too much on a Yoko+!
I am 10,000 sub lol
You have saitek switch panel! Why do you complain about the yoke not having switches? Yoko is much more realistic, of coure it isn’t so stylish!
Jeeezus man, Austin wasn't complaining about the Yoke not having switches, he was merely giving a general quick overview of the Yoko Vs the Honeycomb. Anyway, he's right, the Yoko in comparison to the Honeycomb does look pretty bland and boring but he was honest enough to say that the Yoko is the better product of the two. For the price the Yoko commands, it should be!
Idk why you guys are so ignorant about VR like seriously its the best thing for flight sims
Not the least bit ignorant. I have the Rift S and think it sucks. That is just my opinion.
@@xforcepc I use the Rift S myself and highly disagree but thank you for the response.
@@darkshadow7709 Yes, I know some like it and some don't. I just fall into the don't category. I would make a video about why I hate it, but then I don't need the grief from the people who own one and like it trying to tell me how I am wrong and that I should actually like it. It is like people telling me I should like the color green because they like green and therefore I should like green. We are both right. You like it and that is right for you. I hate it and that is right for me.
@@xforcepc Yeah definitely everyone has their own opinion and I totally get it now. I highly appreciate your reply.
Buy a Brunner CLSE, not NG and you’ll feel like you’re handling some proper controls, not gimmick toys
Compare the $250 Honeycomb to the $1,000+ Yoko, that is the worst comparison I've seen for a while. Obviously, the Yoko could do better and if Honeycomb made an expensive yoke like that it probably could have a very substantial comparison, yet they don't have a top tier yet. I don't appreciate the comparison between $250 and $1,000. Too many comparisons, a bit here and there is good but not that much with the price gap in place.
HoneyComb is a plastic toy in comparison, mine is four months old and has already become loose in the shaft, the cable between the control unit and the box I had to replace after a week, I would think it will last a maximum of two years for frequent use, best yoke for the money today is the new Fulcrum, if you can get one.
Not aging well. I've had mine since the pre order, as well as the bravo throttle quadrant and haven't had a single hiccup with either. Perhaps the operator is the problem, or you don't have one at all
Always like how you use a hight pitch stupid voice to represent the feed back from people that watch your videos.
I can't really watch Austin anymore after he took a swipe at President Trump. I'm sure that pissed off a lot of fans and potential fans. He clearly is not a Trump fan and I'm not sure who told him to do that - it was not a good business decision. not at all.
Really, I didn't know that about Austin. I'm also a Trump supporter and I'm not even an American, I'm English, staunch Brexiteer but I digress, I'm not a fan of Austin anyway, for me personally, I think he's immature and I don't think he and I would get on in each others company.
Man that sharpie crap needed made fun of, it was the most ridiculous crap ever. That is what is wrong with this world, if someone doesn't support the exact same thing you do screw them. Bunch of snowflakes. If you do something that stupid expect the world to laugh at you.
@@donanders2110
I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about and to whom??? LMAO
@@Stringbean421 don't worry, it's not for you.