If my assumptions are correct from your description, that milkiness you are seeing on your Fortress disk is a manufacturing problem. It is where the plastic layers weren't sealed correctly at the factory. Rapid temperature fluctuations causing the expansion and contraction of the plastic, allows moisture to seep in and causes the reaction you are seeing. Because typically it is not physical damage to the aluminium structure (like disco rot/oxidisation) it should continue to play fine... until it doesn't. In Japan they are heat treating the discs and compressing them to extract the moisture. This is usually for high value data discs with a gold reflective layer. [I work in digital compositing and digital art for the film industry.]
I bought on Thrift Store a Factory sealed 1997 Snapcase I opened and inside came with a paper inside telling consumers how to properly protect the disc BATMAN 1989 film double sided fullscreen and Widescreen. I opened and watched it. No glitches, no skipping. No freeze up. No disc rot. Film both side plays perfectly. Not bad for a 26 year old disc.
I own over 3,500 plastic discs -- C.D.s, D.V.D.s, Blu-ray Discs, and 4K U.H.D. Discs. I have only experienced "disc rot" on one occasion. My copy of Napoleon Dynamite on Blu-ray turned a dark bronze color and refused to play. I replaced it and looked at several hundred discs at random. "Disc rot" doesn't worry me. I'm 40 years old and believe that every day is a gift. We will die and decompose and everything will fall apart as well. We live in a universe of entropy....
The main difference between a home made DVD / BR agains a retail one is that the retail discs are stamped and not burned, therefore the information on the disc is laying deeper and will less suffer from scratches, dust, finger prints etc. There was a time in de 80's when cd's were made bad using bad materials wich resulted in losing parts of the upper layer of the disc, the coating just fell of in pieces, I never ever had one problem with that on DVD or BR.
A very interesting topic and a matter of concern as my collection has grown over the years. Polycarbonate is a seriously tough material … hence used for aircraft cockpit canopies and laminated into the construction of bulletproof glass. However, it will degrade under prolonged exposure to UV radiation (sunlight). This will cause it to lose transparency and to become brittle. This is most commonly experienced with car headlight fairings as they become milky over time … but you’ll also see it if you look at old aircraft canopies that have been left to rot parked outside or dumped in boneyards. Thing to remember is that ALL polymers are hydroscopic to some degree … ie they will absorb water directly from the atmosphere. Aluminium and water = the white fungus you see on unprotected exposed ally surfaces. The weakness in any laminated construction formed by a layer of adhesive … is the interface of each contact surface. So, as the data layer comprises one such contact surface in the construction, any moisture that can get to that layer will eventually result in the aluminium degrading by corrosion. There are really only 2 ways water can get into the layer, one is by absorption penetration of the polycarbonate discs, the other is by edge penetration of the adhesive layer. Edge penetration could occur from choice of the adhesive material (if it were more hydroscopic than the polycarbonate) or by poor adhesive bond quality providing for moisture absorption by wicking. Bending of the discs will encourage delamination at the adhesive interface, and this weakness will get worse with age, but I wonder if the delamination experienced in cases of laser-rot is actually a result of the corrosion of the aluminium layer … as the aluminium corrodes, the layer will expand and lever the 2 polycarbonate layers apart. My comments are based on 40 odd years in aerospace, many of which were associated with components manufactured of various composit materials and constructions, including highly stressed structural elements. Either way, as described in your video, the best key to long life will be to treat the discs with care and protect them from sunlight and moisture … to avoid damaging the protective surfaces which may make it easier for moisture to penetrate the polycarbonate … and to avoid causing any unnecessary flexing or bending of the disc which will put undue strain on the inner layers holding the disc together. I am not personally aware of any failure of my DVDs or Blu-Rays … but I have had problems with Laserdiscs … the worst was Eraser, which I recall manifested symptoms within just a few months of purchase. Unfortunately, as I had bought it on a visit to the USA, it was not very practical to return it to the store 😢.
This is some great insight! Thank you so much for sharing all this info. This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping to see more of in the comments (for the benefit of others as well). Everything you're saying makes perfect sense. So I appreciate you taking the time to communicate this. Thanks for watching too!
The polycarbonate isn't the issue, the issue is if there's any sort of defect in the side moisture can get in there. It doesn't seem to happen very often in my experience, but I've got a copy of The World Is Not Enough from around 2000 that has visible corrosion, but the plastic itself is fine.
I have always heard disc rot was more an issue with laserdiscs and it had to do with the adhesives holding the two sides together. I got into buying DVDs when they came out in 1997-98 and haven't had issues with disc rot. I think a big issue is with packaging and the way you sometimes bend the disc to get out of cases which can cause that separation of laters.
There's a lot of detail to expand upon what I'm about to say, but I want to keep it as short and simple as possible. One of the articles basically covered it. Most of what people are calling disc rot is not decay but oxidation caused by a manufacturing flaw. The water in the wash before the final layer is sealed over the shiny, metallic layer can be contaminated, eventually causing oxidation of that information layer. It appears as "bronzing" and/or usually wavey areas. There's also, as mentioned in the article, delamination where the layer wasn't sealed completely, and it begins to separate as the adhesive deteriorates over time. These manufacturing flaws can be found in any format of disc, but the process has improved over the years. This information came from people who work in disc manufacturing. Of course, improper care can result in physical damage such as scratches, chips, and UV damage. A big difference in CDs is that the print side is not as well protected, and damage to that side damages the information layer. Good video. I wish more would research this before making alarmist videos.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your perspective and info. Really appreciate that. Yeah, that all makes perfect sense. That would seem to explain why certain earlier discs -- say, early blu-ray or 4K discs from Warner Bros, for example -- may not hold up as well over the long-term. I'm guessing manufacturing processes improved over time (relative to each format's early offerings) and such flaws became less prevalent.
I've used a different method to store my disks for practical reasons. I have over 9,000 disks and need space to store them. So I toss all the cases they came in. I don't use sleeves or binders either. I put them in Atlantic 80 Disk Storage Manager. Each hard plastic cylinder holds 80 disks and they take up a lot less space than the original cases. Fingers crossed.
Most of my blue rays are over 10 years old and they still play fine. I have DVD's that are nearly 20 and they still look and play fine. I also have a Journey best hits CD from 1997, and it still plays and sounds good.
Agreed, no issues with DVDs or CDs from the 90s as long as they are taken care of, as far as my collection goes. And I have media from Salvation Army, Goodwill, eBay, garage sales & Marketplace, with no rot to speak of. Most of the issues are just hype to get people to buy more stuff rather than real issues that need to be addressed.
I have a Devil's Rejects from 2009 that looks perfectly brand new in every way and does not play in anything and I anal retentively take care of my belongings. I only ever watched it about 3 times over the years and it just stopped working. so examples can really be found both ways. Still worlds better than VHS and the tape rot/wear that happens the instant the tape is produced, wears faster with every viewing and rewinding and makes people "collecting" VHS kinda LMFAO when people are paying sky high prices for VHS tapes.
Hey Fuzz. I have been collecting movies for over 30yrs. I can tell you this much all my movies including VHS are still going strong. They have out lived many players. I believe I will be long dead before my collection is. Lol. You never hear gamers worrying about this, so i don't understand why movie collecters continue to worry. Stay strong. Keep collecting. I don't think we have anything to worry about. Unless they stop producing players. Then we should worry. Lol.
Hi Dwayne! Yeah I haven't really had any issues myself. But I am curious to see how my discs hold up over the next 30-40 years lol. I feel like they'll last a long time. But I can also understand how perhaps those who live in really high-humidity environments might have issues, particularly if discs are not in a climate-controlled room. I did come across a couple of articles pertaining to gaming discs and disc rot, but I didn't really focus on those much since those pieces weren't really the kind of info I was looking for (re: blu-rays and/or 4Ks). But overall, I agree... I'm not too concerned about it personally... at least, not yet lol. Thanks for watching and commenting my friend. Great to hear from you!
@TheOriginalFuzz Thanks Fuzz. BTW. Your video on skipping and freezing 4k discs was my introduction to your channel. I have enjoyed every video since 🤘Thanks
I remember hearing about this around 30 years ago in connection with CDs but I've never experienced it myself (and I have CDs that are nearly 40 years old). I've also never seen the problem on any of my DVDs (and I have some DVDs that must be over 20 years old). My expectation is people having this problem are probably storing their disks in a damp basement or garage for extended periods...something like that.
I've only had a few go bad myself, but they went bad just sitting in a proper case in a room with little humidity that rarely gets as hot as 80F. Most of them are fine, but sometimes the metal gets corroded. That being said out of my collection of I'm not even sure how many discs, I've only had 2 go bad that I've owned, and received another 2 that wouldn't read when buying used. I don't think it's much of an issue as long as you care for the discs. Personally, I recommend keeping ISO backups of the discs just in case. Although I do that as much inc ase I need to replace the converted copies I watch as as an actual backup of the physical media. Audio CDs seem to be the worst in that regard.
My only experience with Disc Rot is some of the used DVD’s and Blu Rays I purchased off EBay had some of the brown ring around it. It was rare, but I’m fairly sure I’ve only seen like, 5 out of hundreds.
Ive got about 1000 movies in my collection. Ive been collecting for sense i got 1989 batman on vhs. I have dvds that are 20 or 25 years old probably. As far as i know all the ones ive tried still work fine. I havent tested them all and i mostly watch 4k or blu ray now. I think if you properly take care of your collection it will last a very long time.
Thanks for doing this video Fuzz. This was a topic I voted for in the poll you posted. I appreciate the research you did for this. I know this took time and effort. I really enjoy behind the scene information and stories involved with the film and physical media industry. I always look forward to your content. Your style of narration and presentation I find very engaging. I even get some good laughs with your cynical comments. I look forward to your next video. I’ve been super busy lately but I will definitely get in touch on X. I haven’t forgotten the offer. Thanks!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words. Yeah it took me a bit longer than expected to get around to making this video, but I just grabbed the idea that got the most votes in the poll first, and ran with it. I'll be making the other videos in that poll as well (in the order of number of votes received), but I like to spread out the Back to Basics videos and have them interspersed between other types of videos. But they'll all get made eventually lol. I'm thinking I'll do my "actors that bug the shit out of me" list next LMAO!🤣 That seems to be a pretty popular idea. 😆😉 Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!
HD-DVD and Warner Bros ... a nightmare. I had about 40 Warner HD-DVDs and not one is not at least a bit rotten. Besides this I haven't ever had Disc-Rot (Laser-Rot) on CD/DVD/BR. Just sometimes on Laserdiscs. My oldest CDs are from 1985 and oldest DVDs are from 1998. Not a big issue until now. Taking care is not always the way to prevent Disc Rot. The main issue is oxidation off the allow layer, most of the time caused by bad glue. Scratches are not important, even light does not harm the data rapidly. But a bad pressed disc is a curse (like the HD-DVD Warner media).
I made the mistake of buying many WB TV box sets on DVD - the double sided format. Absolute junk after about 10 years, despite being stored well. I hope their Blu-ray has a better lifespan, as I have collected a few of those recently.
It’s certainly a problem on older hd-dvds many of the discs I own now won’t play so it could have been the material used back then. I keep them mainly for nostalgia.
Thanks for the video. Given that discs are stored in optimal conditions, I think what matters most in terms of optical disk degradation is how many layers are pressed together, because it's the binding agent that keeps it together which is degrading first. Single layers 25GB blu rays will probably have the longest lifespan. So I figure many blu rays will last longer than the standard dual or triple layer 4Ks released today.
A DVD lasts longer than a blu-ray and a 4k because of the speed/heat when playing the disc. blue lasers especially 4k players spin the disc creating alot more heat than an average DVD red laser which doesn't spin as fast....The heat is going to effect the wearing down of the materials in the plastics. MOST people seem to miss that a 4k disc straight from the player after watching it are a hell of alot hotter than a blu-ray and especially a DVD
I'd love to see a future video on this topic especially when or if you find more of disk rot on your DVDs. BlueRay didn't kick off the same here and now before you know it was moved to HD 4k+BlueRay DVDs. I honestly think the standard BlueRay cases looked so ugly they were cooler with steal cases cause of the smaller size but steal cases and box sets and are always cooler.
Hey there Fuzz!! Another great topic… While I believe these discs will last for decades + if cared for properly, I am slowly preserving my collection by burning them onto a NAS (network attached storage) unit. Then attaching that storage to Plex essentially creating my own “streaming service.” Now, all that said, I’m currently using 20TB HDD’s that will eventually deteriorate and break down needing to be replaced. But technology will likely improve in the ability to larger and larger capacities of SDD’s that won’t deteriorate over time or at least last much longer than HDD’s. While I’ll always prefer the “physical” aspect of physical media, it will be nice one day to know that as long as the internet still works I can watch “my collection.” Or even pass it on digitally one day when life eventually runs its course….
Hi Ken! Great to see you! I feel like we haven't chatted in a while. I love that idea of backing up all your stuff like you described. I haven't gone down that road myself yet, but it is something I am seriously considering... just for some peace of mind. I can definitely see the appeal of using a Plex service. I might have to look into Plex a bit more... I don't know a whole lot about it. Thanks for watching and chiming in brother!
@@TheOriginalFuzz- it had been a while. I’ve had to pause my own content creation due to A LOT of things on the career side. Just been hard to balance all the balls I was juggling. But I hope to get back to making vids again. Until that time - I’ll always be watching every bit of what you throw out. But yeah - lots of vids here on UA-cam is how I learned about Plex and backing up your collection. And it can turn into quite a fun hobby as you get to view your films on the go if you want. Def worth checking into for any passionate collector such as yourself.
The Fuzz is back again baby! Fortunately, I have never ran into this issue either and i still have my Twister dvd I bought in 1997 and several I bought in 98 and 99 -
Interesting! Did you know Twister was one of the very first titles ever produced on DVD? So you've got a little piece of history there. Very cool. Thanks for watching and commenting brother!
@@TheOriginalFuzz for sure man! and yeah, I never had really thought about it till recently that Twister was one of the first DVDs...I jsut went into a best buy one day with high school graduation money and bought a DVD player and a few DVDs and that was one of them LOL -I think it had been out a few months or so
This was a very fascinating video. In the end I agree if you take care of your collection properly and don’t mistreat your discs, they will last a very long time. I got a bluray from 2007 that still works great lol. Very thought provoking video. Thankyou for sharing
Thanks so much Jorden! Really appreciate that. Yeah it's an interesting topic, and I'll be very curious to see how my collection matures LOL! Great to hear from you. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Great topic. I regularly (and randomly) check my older films for disc rot. I've had some menu function issues on older discs but haven't found anything major yet. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
My first experience of a problem with a Blu Ray disc has been recently with the second Alien vs Predator movie Requiem. I have owned it from new for around 5 years and had watched it a couple of times before with no problems but on the latest watch it kept freezing. I tried cleaning, even though there was no visible sign of anything on the surface, and I always handle and store discs with care, but that made no difference. I know it is the disc and not the player as I have 3 different brands of player and it freezes in all of them. The real puzzle is the disc surface appears flawless with no sign of any discoloration or anything unusual but obviously something has happened even though it isn't visible.
I still have CDs from the 80’s and 90’s that work great! I’ve not encountered much disc rot. Aldo in 20 years we won’t need disc as far as playback quality
They may read great, but are they corrupted? Audio CDs have less provisions for error correction because it's presumed that small errors aren't a problem. The discs as a result are more likely to go bad over time, even if you don't mess with them a lot.
I had all 5 individual dvd seasons for Babylon 5 and one day they all had ”rotten.” I had the boxes normally stored in a bookself but almost every individual disc was sticky from the data side and had a formed a perfect circular scratch on them. Tried playing the discs but the skipping was too bad. I had to throw them all out.
Knock on wood I am lucky. I have many DVD's from the 90's and so far all work perfect. Just watched White Noise the other day. Fine. The Grudge, totally good. Popped in OG Stargate (yes, the old 2 sided one), and BOOM...all good. No issues with any blu-ray or 4k. All work great. Collection about 3500 or so as of my last curating.
I have had no problems so far with factory made DVD’s, Blu Ray’s or CD’s. Some of my CD’s are more than 30 years old. The only failures I have experienced are with CD-R’s. Unrelated, but I also have 30 year old factory made rock albums on cassette tape that play just fine. Tape feels like it should be a more fragile medium than discs.
I came here because I was beginning to wonder if DVDs were actually preferable for preservation, since BLU/UHD are more complicated and have more layers of data…. My thought was “simplicity is probably better”. The bigger issue in my opinion has been that DVD PLAYERS seem more reliable and durable. All the blu ray players I have ever had include extra features and WiFi features that keep it from always working properly and often the hardware goes bad very quickly. You kind of answered it, thanks! But do you have any more thoughts on this? If you do not agree, can you suggest a great blu ray player for longevity?
Hi Fuzz. Have enjoyed your videos for quite a while, and even enjoyed a brief back & forth conversation with you in one video's comments section regarding the outstanding picture quality of the 4K Blu-ray of "Apocalypse Now", as well as the type of TVs that you and I use for watching our favorite movies and films. Well today, while signing up as a new monthly member of your club, I got to thinking about a topic I hope you'll consider turning into a recurring feature of your club. And that is movies that have been released on 4K Blu-rays which have picture quality that's NOT a substantial improvement over the regular 1080p Blu-ray version of the movie. One such example, IMO, is the 4K Blu-ray of one of my favorite Al Pacino films (& a favorite crime/gangster film), 1983's "Scarface". Because in comparing the 4K Blu-ray of "Scarface" with the regular Blu-ray of the film that was included in the same package as the 4K disc (& having a 7 yr old Blu-ray of "Scarface" to also compare the 4K to), that direct comparison of the discs playing the same scenes on a Panasonic UB-820 4K Blu-ray unit & on a Sony 1080p Blu-ray player, with the picture images alternately displayed on a carefully tweaked 77 inch Sony 4K OLED TV, showed me that the 4K disc offers minimal to almost no image quality improvement vs. the newer of the 2 1080p Blu-ray versions, with only the older 1080p Blu-ray being just a bit lower in overall PQ than the newer 1080p disc and 4K disc, possibly due to more compression being utilized on the older 1080p disc. And BTW, if one reads the review of the 4K Blu-ray of "Scarface" on the High-Def Digest website, after the regular reviewer's evaluation of that 4K disc, a number of readers opine about how they were disappointed in the picture quality of the 4K Blu-ray, that they found to be no upgrade compared to the 1080p Blu-ray. So Fuzz, since it could prevent movie fans here from wasting hard earned dollars on discs that offer none of the PQ improvement that they're seeking, I hope you start having comparisons like that between 4K discs & regular Blu-rays. Happy movie viewing!
Hi Mike! Hey thanks so much for watching and offering this input, and for becoming a Fuzz Club member as well. I really appreciate your support! Also, I love your idea here, and I think I will try to do a video along those lines at some point. I could call it my top 10 "least impressive" 4K releases Lol. It will probably take me a little bit of time to figure out which titles to include in such a list, because this is a very thought-provoking idea. But it's definitely an idea that I feel like I could have some fun with! And now that you mention it, I'm gonna have to go back and re-watch my 4K of Scarface. I only watched it once when I first got it, and I thought it looked decent and true to the source. But my eyes have "evolved" since then with the 4K format, so I notice a lot more now relative to other 4K moveis. I also hadn't seen Scarface in years before I bought my 4K (I never saw the previous blu-ray release), so I wouldn't necessarily be aware of the difference between that blu-ray and 4K release. But you've given me some great food for thought here! Thanks again... it's great to have you here as part of this emerging community!
@@TheOriginalFuzz Thanks very much Fuzz, for a most comprehensive answer to my question/request!! And I'm very glad to be a member of the community of movie fans who you've been assembling here!
I've definitely encountered playback issues with older discs. Mostly Warner titles. They've been stored exactly as they should be, still the problems exist. A few examples: Batman animated, Animated Justice League season 2, Adam 12 season one (Universal home video), Chips seasons 1&2, The Dukes of Hazzard seasons 6 and 7. The discs for the most part, clear, and in pristine condition. I do notice a yellowish tint to some, and at certain angles a staining, or circling appears. It doesn't seem widespread in my collection, and it does seem concentrated in the older Warner titles. Hopefully it stays limited to those batches.
I wonder what the deal is with the Warner titles. I'm hearing a lot of people cite issues with some earlier WB titles, but on the blu-ray and 4K format. Makes me a bit nervous wondering how many of my WB movies may have to be replaced at some point. But I guess I'll just cross that bridge when/if I come to it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I bought 3 discs from an old guy. The discs were about a decade old. They have multiple small streaks inside the data area but all the discs could be played.
I just watched you video and I have had many dvd's and bluray discs that have had many problem with either Warner Bros & Fox discs (this is when WB was pressing the Fox movies) from about 2006 to 2013 some were manufactured by a pressing plant in New Jersey and use inferior glue. Many of the Dvd's had disc discoloration (bronzing) and you can see stains within the disc it self another problem is that while playing they can't go to the second layer and they just stop at that time - if there are 2 video's on one disc you can't get to the second which is on the second layer. Even with a box set some disc's are fine and other either won't play or will only play in part because of visable rot . The problem that I have had with blurays is simialr, even thou the discs look perfect either they don't play or once again they can't go to the second layer. I even had a copy of Butch Casidy and all of the layers seperated !!. I started to buy dvd when they were originally introducted and I have not had any problem with any of those and some of them are close to 30 years old. I also have never had a prolbem with any Warner discs or any other discs the were in the old snap cases, they all play perfect. The disappointment is mostly on the fox discs - most of the warner films that went bad are available on Warner Archive but most of the Fox films have never been re-issued. The coment about of the discs in the first paragraph refers to pressed discs. I have never had any problems on any manufactured burnt discs
I’ve had disc rot with marvel lionsgate animated blurays 3 of them and Lucy Bluray that’s not even 10 years old but good thing about Lucy was upgraded to 4k and kept the steelbook from the rotted bluray and I store good idk why Lucy went bad the marvel lionsgate titles may be a lot of them affected kinda like the Warner DVDs issue
This is quite a significant issue when you're living in a tropical country with 95% humidity. And I found disc rot is more prevalent on Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. I've had this problem with over a dozen 4K discs and maybe 4-5 Blu-ray discs. And yet, this hasn't happened to my decades old CDs and DVDs.
Wow I can only imagine. So I'm curious, what did you notice about those 4K discs with disc rot? Was there bronzing, discoloration or some other kind a visual, physical change to the appearance of the disc? Or did they just become unreadable without it necessarily being visually apparent that there was anything wrong with the disc?
@@TheOriginalFuzz No, there were absolutely no outward physical changes. In the past, I could see the 1080p Blu-ray discs bronzing when they get disc rot, but this was few and far in between. Regardless, I feel discs (regardless of format, as I still buy the occasional DVD and CD) are manufactured cheaply and slightly thinner compared to the discs I bought 15-20 years ago.
I have laser discs and CD's dating back 40 years that are perfectly fine. I have had no issues with Blu Ray discs or 4k"s; everything is stored in the dark and in a cool and dry environment. I have found two DVD's, however, that won't play due to rot: the 1999 DVD of "Trinity and Beyond" and "The Body Snatcher/The Seventh Victim" from around 2006. Both load but will not play now. I found replacements for both that do play, fortunately. Warner's had an issue from around 2005-2009 with rot.
most playback issues on my end were player-related… but the blu ray of event horizon died on me at some point… the disc looked perfectly fine but it wouldnt play… now i have the 4k of course and that one is running smoothly…
I had some of the very early Warner DVDs in my collection that were well kept in their cases and a bookshelf-these were the ones with standard on one side and widescreen on the other side, they got a lot of disc rot and were completely unplayable. It looked like the delamination you’re describing.
I’ve noticed 4K disc HAVE to be cleaned before playing there is a weird film on them you can see it in the cases too. Distilled water and I use eye glass cleaning cloths and they play PERFECT unless there is a defect. If I don’t clean them first time when new they almost always skip or freeze.
Yep that's true... or at least, it can be, from what I understand. Often there is a leftover film on the disc that may not even be visible. I always keep micro fiber cloths on hand for my 4K discs for this reason (and others). But usually they all play fine for me with no issues. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
I have close to 1000 movies and several TV series across DVD and Blu-ray, I don't have the space for all those cases so I keep them in wallets, but I did just flip my wallets from horizontally stacked to vertically lined up
My copy of Redline on Blu-ray just decided to completely stop working on me. I have watched it numerous times and then i couldn't even get it to load. I looked at the disc and it was perfect, so I have no idea what was wrong with it. I tried to play it on at least three different players and none of them worked. I ended up buying a new copy, the new copy was a different pressing and the color on the top of the disc was more vivid. Hopefully it doesn't stop working like the old one. I have a movie called Avalon and it started to freeze on me. The player again, didn't matter. The problem with most collections is you don't watch each movie every 6 months so its hard to tell if some of them are bad or not.
The whole disc rot hype never really made much sense to me. The old 1997 Warner Bros. DVD's snapcases are mostly made of cardboard...I have a few of these including the first two Batman movies, and Beetlejuice. In theory, the cardboard should breakdown far sooner that the plastic disc on the inside of the case. The cases still look perfect with no signs of breakdown or discoloration, so it goes without saying the discs look pristine, with the exception of Batman, (a disgruntled ex gouged the widescreen side, which has probably compromised playback, I never bothered to confirm, but there doesn't appear to be any anomalies beneath the plastic, nonetheless) If there are instances of 'disc rot,' it's probably something that began as fault in the manufacturing process.
This has got me nervous. I recently went all in on 4k and bought over a hundred discs. I dont plan on watching them anytime soon but would like to have them available when I do want to watch them.
I'm not too concerned about it... my blu-rays have held up well (in some cases, 15-17 years), and 4K is just another type of blu-ray. So far my 4K discs have held up just fine as well. But I've only been collecting 4K for about 4 years, so we'll just have to see how things play out. It sounds like maybe some of the earlier Warner Brothers titles could eventually be problematic, but I've had a great experience with 4K so far and haven't noticed any issues, even with the earlier-manufactured 4Ks that I own. Thanks for watching!
@TheOriginalFuzz I have a few WB Titles as well. Hopefully, they will play when I need them to. I decided to go all in on 4k due to me thinking this is the last swell. But now I'm thinking the next format will probably come out addressing disc rot and disc warp so the studios can get us to dip into our wallets 1 more time. I'm thinking maybe small Nintendo switch size movie cartridges so it can also address storage space. The players would be able to have space for multiple slots to insert movies as well.
Just pulled out a few CDs I bought in the early 90s, and they are all fine. No reason these shouldn’t last a long time unless you store them in an attic or garage.
I started collecting DVDs around 1997 and bought on Amazon starting in 1998. Back then I received some new DVDs with playback issues but Amazon replaced them. One DVD that I bought in 2002, Exodus, I tried playing again in 2014 and it froze. So I bought the Blu-ray version. I don't know what caused it to freeze. I take pretty good care of my disks. Any other movies I've rewatched have not been a problem, although I do remember a movie that didnt work on one of my players but did work on another one.
Cool. Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective. Yeah that's probably around when I started collecting DVD as well... maybe a year later. I don't even have most of my old DVDs here with me anymore... they're at a separate location. But I haven't exactly kept them in the best storage conditions, so I'm guessing if I did dig into that box (which are mostly just titles I've since upgraded to blu-ray or better), I might find a few more problematic discs.
Hi, thank you for your video. The only time I have had any issues with DVDs is when I have purchased second hand and the occasional disc will pause when playing, however these discs do have a few scratches. Due to space I currently store my discs in their original boxes in plastic storage boxes. I don’t store the discs stacked horizontally. I store them so when looking in the storage box you can see the name on the spine of the box. Do people think this will be ok, i.e not upright on a book shelf, but not horizontal?
Yeah that should work fine... I wouldn't worry about it. As long as you have the discs upright on an end (long end or short end) and not laying flat (or having multiple discs/cases stacked up all laying flat), then I don't think you'll have any problems. I stored some of my music DVDs in a big drawer the same way for a period of time. I think the important thing (over the long term) is just that the discs are stored upright and not laying flat on a surface. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!
I definitely have found some really old Lionsgate and WB DVD's with this copper colored on the read side of discs also a few but not as many with what looks like mold underneath the clear coat of the disk but on top of the silver read side of the discs. The copper colored ones play just fine, but the ones that look like mold or something like mold skip and don't read well if at all.
Yep that sounds like disc rot... and I've heard/seen others suggest the early WB and Lionsgate discs seem to be the biggest culprits for issues (even on 4K). That sucks. I'm wondering how many WB discs I may have to replace at some point down the line. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
Not come across any issues with dvd or blurays. But have 1 cd from 1986ish, with rot holes. And a lot of CD-R discs wich have completely delaminated from 2004.
Can you store them not facing down, but standing on their long side? My drawer is not high enough to store them with the small side on the floor. So is it OK to set them with the large side on the floor?
Yeah that should work fine, if I understand you correctly. I used to keep my music blu-rays (and some old DVDs) stored in a big drawer with the titles sitting on their long end like that. As long as you're keeping them "upright" on an end (either long end or short end) and not laying the cases flat and stacked up, then you should be fine.
I'm wondering why it's so important to store them vertically. With vinyl, I totally get it. But with discs I don't really see how they could possibly get warped or damaged when stored horizontally INSIDE their cases. I mean how does that warp a disc ?
Mainly a DVD issue and I would bet more likely if you store your collection in a steamy hot humid basement level or storage unit. But cancel my Amazon Prime account? Lol since I collect, that's not likely hah! I get what they're saying about streaming tho..
Hey, That swirly pattern on your disc from what i can see is almost certainly due to the manufacturing, From memory its the adhesive, it looks like a gel like substance when DVDs are made and i think its similar for blu rays too, the glue is spun in manufacturing to balance the gel like substance out before the next layer press, basically this has been more excessively glued to the standard as you can see it that means its pretty thick, as its rare but not uncommon for discs to be like this as you know they all have tight tolerances, but everyone's checking their stuff for now. What this tells me though is your disc is glued together nicely as its fully pressed, as it still plays so the data is fine for now, will it last 100 years? i dunno, might be the first one to go. Real disc rot is often on the cheapest of manufacturing for now and somehow corroding the data layer in storage, it will be a LONG time for most of this to happen, but some will happen quicker than the others, i think much of what we can see at the moment is from older discs that have not had the greatest previous life, but if you brought dvds either in good condition or new, unless there is no deficit from purchase, probably last the rest of your life if kept in good storage. Generally, as a rule of thumb, ill give most DVDs a 30 year "typical" shelf life personally before excessive backup collections ends up being mandatory unless more light shines on the actual future of this, its a bit sad, but not everything lasts forever, On that note, its probably a good idea to visually inspect ALL physical media on or if possible before purchase, everyone wants the best they can get after all.
Thanks for watching and weighing in with this perspective. I appreciate it! Yeah i wasn't quite sure what to make of it when I first noticed it on the DVD. I almost never watch DVDs anymore, so they don't get a lot of attention from me.
My bluray collection of which some are 15 years old still play without any issues , but it's not the same with 4K UHD discs especially from WB where I had to replace nearly 6 discs within a short span of time where they stopped playing. It's the reason I stopped buying 4Ks from WB
Yeah I'm hearing a lot from others as well that some WB 4k discs have been problematic. So far I've not encountered that (that I'm aware of -- even though I know I have some older WB 4K releases), but it's got me wondering how many of my WB 4Ks I may have to replace. I've only been collecting 4k for about 4 years. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
Don't know if you'd characterize this as "rot", but I have several boxes sets of Dallas and ER on DVD - the WB double sided disks. Many episodes will not play, despite the disks looking fine. They all played perfectly when first bought 15 years ago. No problem with any Blu-ray so far.
The longevity of any optical disc, like dvd, cd, blu-ray is really not concerning (pressed discs i mean, burnt discs won't last more than 20 years probably), the real problem is the dedicated players and optical drives, those have a much higher chance of failure than discs. And most likely companies will stop manufacturing optical drives in the future.
@@paulconway384 first off how do you know it's not a pre owned used version disc can be resealed to make them look new second may the way it was stored in there warehouse it could have subjected the Heat and Humidity
If you keep discs dry, away from humidity, heat, cold they should last a very long time. I get the "atleast 10 to 20 years" comment as that's the only data they have the tech is only 20 years old so the only proof is discs still working. As for dvds I still ua e my original copy of the matrix and it still works fine. I guess it all comes down to how you store them and how many times the disc has been played also.
I would also say use the best player you can within your budget. Not just for the quality of the picture etc but better players will ha e less chance of damaging discs. I 2puld also say whatever equipment you use if you can get the machine serviced/cleaned or even just a can of compressed air to blow dust out now and again. This would be a good practice.
Disc rot is real. Every year I find some when I do a full check of my 3000+ discs. It looks like a brown stain around the outer edge. Interestingly, some of them still play.
Where i know this was a real thing was with Lazer Disc's back in the 90s. I only had it happen with one film , Beauty and the Beast which quite quickly suffered from Lazer Rot and became unwatchable 😢😢😢
I have CD´s and DVD´s from the late 1990´s and i have looked at almost all of them and there is nothing on any of my dics, i have tried a few of the oldest ones as well and they alll work fine my oldest Blu-Ray´s from 2007 and onwards also works fine with nothing on any of the ones i looked at
ha, the claim that VHS only lasts about 30yrs is so crazy...I still have about 30 VHS I have had since the mid 80s and they play fine - They "press" the commercial blu-rays, when we do them at home the burning in with the laser is different....I also find it funny that a lot of the same people telling us to recycle plastic because it takes hundreds of years to bio-degrade are also telling us our BluRay could rot and degrade in as little as 10yrs LOL
Ive lost 5 titles so far on UHD due to rot. Had to repurchase each one. So far so good. Seems exclusively limited to WB discs and were purchased between 2018 and 2020. 1 or 2 were from lionsgate. Not looking too good for 4K. And all my discs are near mint to pristine.
Now that you mention it, I have heard that from other collectors about Warner Bros. -- that some of the earlier 4K releases haven't held up. I don't really think that's an indictment of the 4K format as whole... it's seems like more an indictment of those companies (WB and Lionsgate) and their 4K releases. because I've not really heard/seen any reports of issues from other companies (in terms of longevity). But that said, it does make me wonder how many of my own WB (or even Lionsgate) titles I may have to replace at some point. Definitely a little concerning for those movies. I've never been a fan of how WB does physical media... their cases always suck, they stack discs, etc. Thanks for watching and chiming in! Appreciate the perspective.
It's not a thing for me. I have cds from 1982 that play and sound incredible and 1st pressing Goodfellas 2-sided clamshell DVD I purchased from Costco when the cashier and worker's had to ask me what i was buying. It still plays well and stops to display " turn over disc to continue. " 😂
Just another thing you or they didn't mention, but smoke of any kind is no good! I know people that smoke a lot of weed and cigarettes, and their discs do not last as long as mine because of the smoke that always around their discs and players.
You might think that but I have been buying Blu-rays from back when hddvd was still a thing. Never had a cd dvd or bluray go bad on me. They lay flat and I have smoked like a freight train the whole time. I have seen damage like rot on disks left in storage sheds.
That is actually discussed in the Gizmodo article I linked to and referenced, but I decided not to draw attention to that aspect of the article, since it appears that, technically, ripping the discs -- even for one's own private use -- is illegal (in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998). And I didn't want to promote anything that could be construed as "illegal" on the channel (no matter how unenforceable or ridiculous such a law may be).
@@TheOriginalFuzz I can see that. What has always amazed me is that your allowed to record television for use in your own home legally but movies you buy can't be ripped legally.
Ill add, I have vhs' and even a few dvds w some scratches that work perfectly fine. Buy a brand new 4k n the thing skips 🤦♂️ Not a big fan of 4k. I have a few that skip n nothing is even on it for that to happen.
I've noticed from watching another video of yours that it could just be my player. I bought a Phillips like 6 years ago for about $140,so the cheaper end. It finally started to act up a few months ago. I even have to take it apart sometimes to clean laser cuz it won't play a 4k,but will play bluray or dvd. Onced cleaned it plays but still skips w certain ones n always in those same spots. May get the Sony 4k player you talked about. Seems like bluray n dvd players was just a simpler time. Can find one on the side of the road,rained on,then baked in the sun n it'll still work🤣 I recently just subscribed n like your work. Keep it up 👍
When I tell people about my “luck” with laser products, no one believes me. Around 15~20% of all disks I’ve bought through life do not “rot”… They ARE rotten from the get go. That is, about 15% to 20% of the disks I’ve bought throughout my life would already either not play, or skip, etc. And I mean all the way back to CDs, moving on to various versions of writable and rewritable CDs, moving on to DVDs, ROM or otherwise, and all the way to the current Blu-Ray 4K UHD ones. And no, it’s not me. It’s not “the computer”. It’s nothing I did or do. I’m now 51 years old. Bought my first CD when I was around 18 or so. And as I build my collection, my solution has become to also buy with a replacement guarantee, because sure, out of each 10, 1 to 2 are bad and need to be replaced. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve had disc rot, and it is a big deal! American Psycho was one, very disheartening! All always properly stored and handled in a shelving units in a climate controlled environment. Eventually everyone will experience it.
Oh man that sucks! Thanks for watching and sharing. Yeah I agree it's a natural process that can't really be stopped completely regardless. I'll be very curious to see how long goes by before i start noticing any kind of issues. So far, I've not had any problems with it on blu-ray or 4K... with my oldest discs being maybe about 16-18 years old.
@@TheOriginalFuzz the only thing I can’t account for is I used to work for family video and some my library came from there, but don’t remember which ones.
If my assumptions are correct from your description, that milkiness you are seeing on your Fortress disk is a manufacturing problem. It is where the plastic layers weren't sealed correctly at the factory. Rapid temperature fluctuations causing the expansion and contraction of the plastic, allows moisture to seep in and causes the reaction you are seeing. Because typically it is not physical damage to the aluminium structure (like disco rot/oxidisation) it should continue to play fine... until it doesn't. In Japan they are heat treating the discs and compressing them to extract the moisture. This is usually for high value data discs with a gold reflective layer. [I work in digital compositing and digital art for the film industry.]
Good to know! Thanks for the info, and thanks for watching too. Appreciate it!
*Listening to the first CD I ever bought in 1989. Plays perfectly! 🧐
I bought on Thrift Store a Factory sealed 1997 Snapcase I opened and inside came with a paper inside telling consumers how to properly protect the disc BATMAN 1989 film double sided fullscreen and Widescreen. I opened and watched it. No glitches, no skipping. No freeze up. No disc rot. Film both side plays perfectly. Not bad for a 26 year old disc.
Give it 4 more years my friend.
@@optimusgotslimed3175We still have even older disc 📀& CD's💿 than that. They work perfectly It just depends on certain things conditions/care etc.
I own over 3,500 plastic discs -- C.D.s, D.V.D.s, Blu-ray Discs, and 4K U.H.D. Discs. I have only experienced "disc rot" on one occasion. My copy of Napoleon Dynamite on Blu-ray turned a dark bronze color and refused to play. I replaced it and looked at several hundred discs at random. "Disc rot" doesn't worry me. I'm 40 years old and believe that every day is a gift. We will die and decompose and everything will fall apart as well. We live in a universe of entropy....
The main difference between a home made DVD / BR agains a retail one is that the retail discs are stamped and not burned, therefore the information on the disc is laying deeper and will less suffer from scratches, dust, finger prints etc.
There was a time in de 80's when cd's were made bad using bad materials wich resulted in losing parts of the upper layer of the disc, the coating just fell of in pieces, I never ever had one problem with that on DVD or BR.
I run a small dehumidifier in my movie room during the summer months to control moisture.
That's a great idea! Thanks for watching!
A very interesting topic and a matter of concern as my collection has grown over the years.
Polycarbonate is a seriously tough material … hence used for aircraft cockpit canopies and laminated into the construction of bulletproof glass. However, it will degrade under prolonged exposure to UV radiation (sunlight). This will cause it to lose transparency and to become brittle. This is most commonly experienced with car headlight fairings as they become milky over time … but you’ll also see it if you look at old aircraft canopies that have been left to rot parked outside or dumped in boneyards.
Thing to remember is that ALL polymers are hydroscopic to some degree … ie they will absorb water directly from the atmosphere. Aluminium and water = the white fungus you see on unprotected exposed ally surfaces.
The weakness in any laminated construction formed by a layer of adhesive … is the interface of each contact surface. So, as the data layer comprises one such contact surface in the construction, any moisture that can get to that layer will eventually result in the aluminium degrading by corrosion. There are really only 2 ways water can get into the layer, one is by absorption penetration of the polycarbonate discs, the other is by edge penetration of the adhesive layer.
Edge penetration could occur from choice of the adhesive material (if it were more hydroscopic than the polycarbonate) or by poor adhesive bond quality providing for moisture absorption by wicking.
Bending of the discs will encourage delamination at the adhesive interface, and this weakness will get worse with age, but I wonder if the delamination experienced in cases of laser-rot is actually a result of the corrosion of the aluminium layer … as the aluminium corrodes, the layer will expand and lever the 2 polycarbonate layers apart.
My comments are based on 40 odd years in aerospace, many of which were associated with components manufactured of various composit materials and constructions, including highly stressed structural elements.
Either way, as described in your video, the best key to long life will be to treat the discs with care and protect them from sunlight and moisture … to avoid damaging the protective surfaces which may make it easier for moisture to penetrate the polycarbonate … and to avoid causing any unnecessary flexing or bending of the disc which will put undue strain on the inner layers holding the disc together.
I am not personally aware of any failure of my DVDs or Blu-Rays … but I have had problems with Laserdiscs … the worst was Eraser, which I recall manifested symptoms within just a few months of purchase. Unfortunately, as I had bought it on a visit to the USA, it was not very practical to return it to the store 😢.
This is some great insight! Thank you so much for sharing all this info. This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping to see more of in the comments (for the benefit of others as well). Everything you're saying makes perfect sense. So I appreciate you taking the time to communicate this. Thanks for watching too!
The polycarbonate isn't the issue, the issue is if there's any sort of defect in the side moisture can get in there. It doesn't seem to happen very often in my experience, but I've got a copy of The World Is Not Enough from around 2000 that has visible corrosion, but the plastic itself is fine.
I have always heard disc rot was more an issue with laserdiscs and it had to do with the adhesives holding the two sides together. I got into buying DVDs when they came out in 1997-98 and haven't had issues with disc rot. I think a big issue is with packaging and the way you sometimes bend the disc to get out of cases which can cause that separation of laters.
There's a lot of detail to expand upon what I'm about to say, but I want to keep it as short and simple as possible. One of the articles basically covered it. Most of what people are calling disc rot is not decay but oxidation caused by a manufacturing flaw. The water in the wash before the final layer is sealed over the shiny, metallic layer can be contaminated, eventually causing oxidation of that information layer. It appears as "bronzing" and/or usually wavey areas. There's also, as mentioned in the article, delamination where the layer wasn't sealed completely, and it begins to separate as the adhesive deteriorates over time. These manufacturing flaws can be found in any format of disc, but the process has improved over the years. This information came from people who work in disc manufacturing. Of course, improper care can result in physical damage such as scratches, chips, and UV damage. A big difference in CDs is that the print side is not as well protected, and damage to that side damages the information layer. Good video. I wish more would research this before making alarmist videos.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your perspective and info. Really appreciate that. Yeah, that all makes perfect sense. That would seem to explain why certain earlier discs -- say, early blu-ray or 4K discs from Warner Bros, for example -- may not hold up as well over the long-term. I'm guessing manufacturing processes improved over time (relative to each format's early offerings) and such flaws became less prevalent.
I have experienced disc rot on one occasion, and I have owned 3,000 discs. The disc that rotted was Napoleon Dynamite (on Blu-ray).
I've used a different method to store my disks for practical reasons. I have over 9,000 disks and need space to store them. So I toss all the cases they came in. I don't use sleeves or binders either. I put them in Atlantic 80 Disk Storage Manager. Each hard plastic cylinder holds 80 disks and they take up a lot less space than the original cases. Fingers crossed.
Most of my blue rays are over 10 years old and they still play fine. I have DVD's that are nearly 20 and they still look and play fine. I also have a Journey best hits CD from 1997, and it still plays and sounds good.
🏆✨ Physical media!'
Agreed, no issues with DVDs or CDs from the 90s as long as they are taken care of, as far as my collection goes. And I have media from Salvation Army, Goodwill, eBay, garage sales & Marketplace, with no rot to speak of.
Most of the issues are just hype to get people to buy more stuff rather than real issues that need to be addressed.
I have quite a few bluray's that are already almost 20 years old, and those are the ones with copper coloring on them and they play just fine.
I have a Devil's Rejects from 2009 that looks perfectly brand new in every way and does not play in anything and I anal retentively take care of my belongings. I only ever watched it about 3 times over the years and it just stopped working. so examples can really be found both ways.
Still worlds better than VHS and the tape rot/wear that happens the instant the tape is produced, wears faster with every viewing and rewinding and makes people "collecting" VHS kinda LMFAO when people are paying sky high prices for VHS tapes.
Hey Fuzz. I have been collecting movies for over 30yrs. I can tell you this much all my movies including VHS are still going strong. They have out lived many players. I believe I will be long dead before my collection is. Lol. You never hear gamers worrying about this, so i don't understand why movie collecters continue to worry. Stay strong. Keep collecting. I don't think we have anything to worry about. Unless they stop producing players. Then we should worry. Lol.
Hi Dwayne! Yeah I haven't really had any issues myself. But I am curious to see how my discs hold up over the next 30-40 years lol. I feel like they'll last a long time. But I can also understand how perhaps those who live in really high-humidity environments might have issues, particularly if discs are not in a climate-controlled room. I did come across a couple of articles pertaining to gaming discs and disc rot, but I didn't really focus on those much since those pieces weren't really the kind of info I was looking for (re: blu-rays and/or 4Ks). But overall, I agree... I'm not too concerned about it personally... at least, not yet lol. Thanks for watching and commenting my friend. Great to hear from you!
@TheOriginalFuzz Thanks Fuzz. BTW. Your video on skipping and freezing 4k discs was my introduction to your channel. I have enjoyed every video since 🤘Thanks
I remember hearing about this around 30 years ago in connection with CDs but I've never experienced it myself (and I have CDs that are nearly 40 years old). I've also never seen the problem on any of my DVDs (and I have some DVDs that must be over 20 years old). My expectation is people having this problem are probably storing their disks in a damp basement or garage for extended periods...something like that.
I have been collecting for at least 20 years, and I have never had any problems with disc rot. I have always taken great care of my media collection
I've only had a few go bad myself, but they went bad just sitting in a proper case in a room with little humidity that rarely gets as hot as 80F. Most of them are fine, but sometimes the metal gets corroded. That being said out of my collection of I'm not even sure how many discs, I've only had 2 go bad that I've owned, and received another 2 that wouldn't read when buying used. I don't think it's much of an issue as long as you care for the discs. Personally, I recommend keeping ISO backups of the discs just in case. Although I do that as much inc ase I need to replace the converted copies I watch as as an actual backup of the physical media. Audio CDs seem to be the worst in that regard.
My only experience with Disc Rot is some of the used DVD’s and Blu Rays I purchased off EBay had some of the brown ring around it. It was rare, but I’m fairly sure I’ve only seen like, 5 out of hundreds.
Ive got about 1000 movies in my collection. Ive been collecting for sense i got 1989 batman on vhs. I have dvds that are 20 or 25 years old probably. As far as i know all the ones ive
tried still work fine. I havent tested them all and i mostly watch 4k or blu ray now. I think if you properly take care of your collection it will last a very long time.
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Thanks for doing this video Fuzz. This was a topic I voted for in the poll you posted. I appreciate the research you did for this. I know this took time and effort. I really enjoy behind the scene information and stories involved with the film and physical media industry. I always look forward to your content. Your style of narration and presentation I find very engaging. I even get some good laughs with your cynical comments. I look forward to your next video. I’ve been super busy lately but I will definitely get in touch on X. I haven’t forgotten the offer. Thanks!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words. Yeah it took me a bit longer than expected to get around to making this video, but I just grabbed the idea that got the most votes in the poll first, and ran with it. I'll be making the other videos in that poll as well (in the order of number of votes received), but I like to spread out the Back to Basics videos and have them interspersed between other types of videos. But they'll all get made eventually lol. I'm thinking I'll do my "actors that bug the shit out of me" list next LMAO!🤣 That seems to be a pretty popular idea. 😆😉 Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!
@@TheOriginalFuzz That would be great! P.S. I don’t care a whole lot for Mark Ruffalo either! 😂
HD-DVD and Warner Bros ... a nightmare. I had about 40 Warner HD-DVDs and not one is not at least a bit rotten. Besides this I haven't ever had Disc-Rot (Laser-Rot) on CD/DVD/BR. Just sometimes on Laserdiscs. My oldest CDs are from 1985 and oldest DVDs are from 1998. Not a big issue until now.
Taking care is not always the way to prevent Disc Rot. The main issue is oxidation off the allow layer, most of the time caused by bad glue. Scratches are not important, even light does not harm the data rapidly. But a bad pressed disc is a curse (like the HD-DVD Warner media).
I made the mistake of buying many WB TV box sets on DVD - the double sided format.
Absolute junk after about 10 years, despite being stored well.
I hope their Blu-ray has a better lifespan, as I have collected a few of those recently.
It’s certainly a problem on older hd-dvds many of the discs I own now won’t play so it could have been the material used back then. I keep them mainly for nostalgia.
Thanks for the video. Given that discs are stored in optimal conditions, I think what matters most in terms of optical disk degradation is how many layers are pressed together, because it's the binding agent that keeps it together which is degrading first. Single layers 25GB blu rays will probably have the longest lifespan. So I figure many blu rays will last longer than the standard dual or triple layer 4Ks released today.
This is a very well put together informative video. Thanks Fuzz!!!!
Thanks so much man - I really appreciate that. And thanks for commenting! Great to hear from you.
A DVD lasts longer than a blu-ray and a 4k because of the speed/heat when playing the disc. blue lasers especially 4k players spin the disc creating alot more heat than an average DVD red laser which doesn't spin as fast....The heat is going to effect the wearing down of the materials in the plastics.
MOST people seem to miss that a 4k disc straight from the player after watching it are a hell of alot hotter than a blu-ray and especially a DVD
I'd love to see a future video on this topic especially when or if you find more of disk rot on your DVDs. BlueRay didn't kick off the same here and now before you know it was moved to HD 4k+BlueRay DVDs. I honestly think the standard BlueRay cases looked so ugly they were cooler with steal cases cause of the smaller size but steal cases and box sets and are always cooler.
Hey there Fuzz!!
Another great topic…
While I believe these discs will last for decades + if cared for properly, I am slowly preserving my collection by burning them onto a NAS (network attached storage) unit. Then attaching that storage to Plex essentially creating my own “streaming service.”
Now, all that said, I’m currently using 20TB HDD’s that will eventually deteriorate and break down needing to be replaced. But technology will likely improve in the ability to larger and larger capacities of SDD’s that won’t deteriorate over time or at least last much longer than HDD’s.
While I’ll always prefer the “physical” aspect of physical media, it will be nice one day to know that as long as the internet still works I can watch “my collection.” Or even pass it on digitally one day when life eventually runs its course….
Hi Ken! Great to see you! I feel like we haven't chatted in a while. I love that idea of backing up all your stuff like you described. I haven't gone down that road myself yet, but it is something I am seriously considering... just for some peace of mind. I can definitely see the appeal of using a Plex service. I might have to look into Plex a bit more... I don't know a whole lot about it. Thanks for watching and chiming in brother!
@@TheOriginalFuzz- it had been a while. I’ve had to pause my own content creation due to A LOT of things on the career side. Just been hard to balance all the balls I was juggling. But I hope to get back to making vids again.
Until that time - I’ll always be watching every bit of what you throw out.
But yeah - lots of vids here on UA-cam is how I learned about Plex and backing up your collection. And it can turn into quite a fun hobby as you get to view your films on the go if you want.
Def worth checking into for any passionate collector such as yourself.
The Fuzz is back again baby! Fortunately, I have never ran into this issue either and i still have my Twister dvd I bought in 1997 and several I bought in 98 and 99 -
Interesting! Did you know Twister was one of the very first titles ever produced on DVD? So you've got a little piece of history there. Very cool. Thanks for watching and commenting brother!
@@TheOriginalFuzz for sure man! and yeah, I never had really thought about it till recently that Twister was one of the first DVDs...I jsut went into a best buy one day with high school graduation money and bought a DVD player and a few DVDs and that was one of them LOL -I think it had been out a few months or so
Thank you my friend.
This was a very fascinating video. In the end I agree if you take care of your collection properly and don’t mistreat your discs, they will last a very long time. I got a bluray from 2007 that still works great lol. Very thought provoking video. Thankyou for sharing
Thanks so much Jorden! Really appreciate that. Yeah it's an interesting topic, and I'll be very curious to see how my collection matures LOL! Great to hear from you. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Great topic. I regularly (and randomly) check my older films for disc rot. I've had some menu function issues on older discs but haven't found anything major yet. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
Thanks for watching Dave and weighing in! Really appreciate it!
My first experience of a problem with a Blu Ray disc has been recently with the second Alien vs Predator movie Requiem. I have owned it from new for around 5 years and had watched it a couple of times before with no problems but on the latest watch it kept freezing. I tried cleaning, even though there was no visible sign of anything on the surface, and I always handle and store discs with care, but that made no difference. I know it is the disc and not the player as I have 3 different brands of player and it freezes in all of them. The real puzzle is the disc surface appears flawless with no sign of any discoloration or anything unusual but obviously something has happened even though it isn't visible.
my best advice is paper sleeve possible sheet of tissue per sleeve to prevent moisture separation of plastic case from cd
I still have CDs from the 80’s and 90’s that work great! I’ve not encountered much disc rot. Aldo in 20 years we won’t need disc as far as playback quality
They may read great, but are they corrupted? Audio CDs have less provisions for error correction because it's presumed that small errors aren't a problem. The discs as a result are more likely to go bad over time, even if you don't mess with them a lot.
I had all 5 individual dvd seasons for Babylon 5 and one day they all had ”rotten.”
I had the boxes normally stored in a bookself but almost every individual disc was sticky from the data side and had a formed a perfect circular scratch on them. Tried playing the discs but the skipping was too bad. I had to throw them all out.
Knock on wood I am lucky. I have many DVD's from the 90's and so far all work perfect. Just watched White Noise the other day. Fine. The Grudge, totally good. Popped in OG Stargate (yes, the old 2 sided one), and BOOM...all good. No issues with any blu-ray or 4k. All work great. Collection about 3500 or so as of my last curating.
Very cool to hear! Thanks for watching and chiming in!
I’ve had my movies in binder books for over 20 years and have never had an issue.
I have had no problems so far with factory made DVD’s, Blu Ray’s or CD’s. Some of my CD’s are more than 30 years old. The only failures I have experienced are with CD-R’s. Unrelated, but I also have 30 year old factory made rock albums on cassette tape that play just fine. Tape feels like it should be a more fragile medium than discs.
In Melbourne Australia the weather in summer is very humid so this may affect my blu ray disc's.
I came here because I was beginning to wonder if DVDs were actually preferable for preservation, since BLU/UHD are more complicated and have more layers of data…. My thought was “simplicity is probably better”. The bigger issue in my opinion has been that DVD PLAYERS seem more reliable and durable. All the blu ray players I have ever had include extra features and WiFi features that keep it from always working properly and often the hardware goes bad very quickly.
You kind of answered it, thanks! But do you have any more thoughts on this? If you do not agree, can you suggest a great blu ray player for longevity?
Hi Fuzz. Have enjoyed your videos for quite a while, and even enjoyed a brief back & forth conversation with you in one video's comments section regarding the outstanding picture quality of the 4K Blu-ray of "Apocalypse Now", as well as the type of TVs that you and I use for watching our favorite movies and films. Well today, while signing up as a new monthly member of your club, I got to thinking about a topic I hope you'll consider turning into a recurring feature of your club. And that is movies that have been released on 4K Blu-rays which have picture quality that's NOT a substantial improvement over the regular 1080p Blu-ray version of the movie. One such example, IMO, is the 4K Blu-ray of one of my favorite Al Pacino films (& a favorite crime/gangster film), 1983's "Scarface". Because in comparing the 4K Blu-ray of "Scarface" with the regular Blu-ray of the film that was included in the same package as the 4K disc (& having a 7 yr old Blu-ray of "Scarface" to also compare the 4K to), that direct comparison of the discs playing the same scenes on a Panasonic UB-820 4K Blu-ray unit & on a Sony 1080p Blu-ray player, with the picture images alternately displayed on a carefully tweaked 77 inch Sony 4K OLED TV, showed me that the 4K disc offers minimal to almost no image quality improvement vs. the newer of the 2 1080p Blu-ray versions, with only the older 1080p Blu-ray being just a bit lower in overall PQ than the newer 1080p disc and 4K disc, possibly due to more compression being utilized on the older 1080p disc. And BTW, if one reads the review of the 4K Blu-ray of "Scarface" on the High-Def Digest website, after the regular reviewer's evaluation of that 4K disc, a number of readers opine about how they were disappointed in the picture quality of the 4K Blu-ray, that they found to be no upgrade compared to the 1080p Blu-ray. So Fuzz, since it could prevent movie fans here from wasting hard earned dollars on discs that offer none of the PQ improvement that they're seeking, I hope you start having comparisons like that between 4K discs & regular Blu-rays. Happy movie viewing!
Hi Mike! Hey thanks so much for watching and offering this input, and for becoming a Fuzz Club member as well. I really appreciate your support! Also, I love your idea here, and I think I will try to do a video along those lines at some point. I could call it my top 10 "least impressive" 4K releases Lol. It will probably take me a little bit of time to figure out which titles to include in such a list, because this is a very thought-provoking idea. But it's definitely an idea that I feel like I could have some fun with! And now that you mention it, I'm gonna have to go back and re-watch my 4K of Scarface. I only watched it once when I first got it, and I thought it looked decent and true to the source. But my eyes have "evolved" since then with the 4K format, so I notice a lot more now relative to other 4K moveis. I also hadn't seen Scarface in years before I bought my 4K (I never saw the previous blu-ray release), so I wouldn't necessarily be aware of the difference between that blu-ray and 4K release. But you've given me some great food for thought here! Thanks again... it's great to have you here as part of this emerging community!
@@TheOriginalFuzz Thanks very much Fuzz, for a most comprehensive answer to my question/request!! And I'm very glad to be a member of the community of movie fans who you've been assembling here!
I've definitely encountered playback issues with older discs. Mostly Warner titles. They've been stored exactly as they should be, still the problems exist. A few examples: Batman animated, Animated Justice League season 2, Adam 12 season one (Universal home video), Chips seasons 1&2, The Dukes of Hazzard seasons 6 and 7. The discs for the most part, clear, and in pristine condition. I do notice a yellowish tint to some, and at certain angles a staining, or circling appears. It doesn't seem widespread in my collection, and it does seem concentrated in the older Warner titles. Hopefully it stays limited to those batches.
I wonder what the deal is with the Warner titles. I'm hearing a lot of people cite issues with some earlier WB titles, but on the blu-ray and 4K format. Makes me a bit nervous wondering how many of my WB movies may have to be replaced at some point. But I guess I'll just cross that bridge when/if I come to it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Interesting topic, well presented and researched, thanks.
I bought 3 discs from an old guy. The discs were about a decade old. They have multiple small streaks inside the data area but all the discs could be played.
I just watched you video and I have had many dvd's and bluray discs that have had many problem with either Warner Bros & Fox discs (this is when WB was pressing the Fox movies) from about 2006 to 2013 some were manufactured by a pressing plant in New Jersey and use inferior glue. Many of the Dvd's had disc discoloration (bronzing) and you can see stains within the disc it self another problem is that while playing they can't go to the second layer and they just stop at that time - if there are 2 video's on one disc you can't get to the second which is on the second layer. Even with a box set some disc's are fine and other either won't play or will only play in part because of visable rot . The problem that I have had with blurays is simialr, even thou the discs look perfect either they don't play or once again they can't go to the second layer. I even had a copy of Butch Casidy and all of the layers seperated !!.
I started to buy dvd when they were originally introducted and I have not had any problem with any of those and some of them are close to 30 years old. I also have never had a prolbem with any Warner discs or any other discs the were in the old snap cases, they all play perfect.
The disappointment is mostly on the fox discs - most of the warner films that went bad are available on Warner Archive but most of the Fox films have never been re-issued. The coment about of the discs in the first paragraph refers to pressed discs. I have never had any problems on any manufactured burnt discs
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Appreciate it.
I would say since nobody really knows on this topic of longevity, ripping them and making backups is the way to go
I’ve had disc rot with marvel lionsgate animated blurays 3 of them and Lucy Bluray that’s not even 10 years old but good thing about Lucy was upgraded to 4k and kept the steelbook from the rotted bluray and I store good idk why Lucy went bad the marvel lionsgate titles may be a lot of them affected kinda like the Warner DVDs issue
This is quite a significant issue when you're living in a tropical country with 95% humidity.
And I found disc rot is more prevalent on Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. I've had this problem with over a dozen 4K discs and maybe 4-5 Blu-ray discs.
And yet, this hasn't happened to my decades old CDs and DVDs.
Wow I can only imagine. So I'm curious, what did you notice about those 4K discs with disc rot? Was there bronzing, discoloration or some other kind a visual, physical change to the appearance of the disc? Or did they just become unreadable without it necessarily being visually apparent that there was anything wrong with the disc?
@@TheOriginalFuzz No, there were absolutely no outward physical changes.
In the past, I could see the 1080p Blu-ray discs bronzing when they get disc rot, but this was few and far in between.
Regardless, I feel discs (regardless of format, as I still buy the occasional DVD and CD) are manufactured cheaply and slightly thinner compared to the discs I bought 15-20 years ago.
I have laser discs and CD's dating back 40 years that are perfectly fine. I have had no issues with Blu Ray discs or 4k"s; everything is stored in the dark and in a cool and dry environment. I have found two DVD's, however, that won't play due to rot: the 1999 DVD of "Trinity and Beyond" and "The Body Snatcher/The Seventh Victim" from around 2006. Both load but will not play now. I found replacements for both that do play, fortunately. Warner's had an issue from around 2005-2009 with rot.
most playback issues on my end were player-related…
but the blu ray of event horizon died on me at some point… the disc looked perfectly fine but it wouldnt play…
now i have the 4k of course and that one is running smoothly…
I had some of the very early Warner DVDs in my collection that were well kept in their cases and a bookshelf-these were the ones with standard on one side and widescreen on the other side, they got a lot of disc rot and were completely unplayable. It looked like the delamination you’re describing.
I’ve noticed 4K disc HAVE to be cleaned before playing there is a weird film on them you can see it in the cases too. Distilled water and I use eye glass cleaning cloths and they play PERFECT unless there is a defect. If I don’t clean them first time when new they almost always skip or freeze.
What the heck! I’ve been having the same issue. I unplugged my player and plugged it back in. Working out so far
Yep that's true... or at least, it can be, from what I understand. Often there is a leftover film on the disc that may not even be visible. I always keep micro fiber cloths on hand for my 4K discs for this reason (and others). But usually they all play fine for me with no issues. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
I have close to 1000 movies and several TV series across DVD and Blu-ray, I don't have the space for all those cases so I keep them in wallets, but I did just flip my wallets from horizontally stacked to vertically lined up
My copy of Redline on Blu-ray just decided to completely stop working on me. I have watched it numerous times and then i couldn't even get it to load. I looked at the disc and it was perfect, so I have no idea what was wrong with it. I tried to play it on at least three different players and none of them worked. I ended up buying a new copy, the new copy was a different pressing and the color on the top of the disc was more vivid. Hopefully it doesn't stop working like the old one. I have a movie called Avalon and it started to freeze on me. The player again, didn't matter. The problem with most collections is you don't watch each movie every 6 months so its hard to tell if some of them are bad or not.
The whole disc rot hype never really made much sense to me. The old 1997 Warner Bros. DVD's snapcases are mostly made of cardboard...I have a few of these including the first two Batman movies, and Beetlejuice. In theory, the cardboard should breakdown far sooner that the plastic disc on the inside of the case. The cases still look perfect with no signs of breakdown or discoloration, so it goes without saying the discs look pristine, with the exception of Batman, (a disgruntled ex gouged the widescreen side, which has probably compromised playback, I never bothered to confirm, but there doesn't appear to be any anomalies beneath the plastic, nonetheless) If there are instances of 'disc rot,' it's probably something that began as fault in the manufacturing process.
This has got me nervous. I recently went all in on 4k and bought over a hundred discs. I dont plan on watching them anytime soon but would like to have them available when I do want to watch them.
I'm not too concerned about it... my blu-rays have held up well (in some cases, 15-17 years), and 4K is just another type of blu-ray. So far my 4K discs have held up just fine as well. But I've only been collecting 4K for about 4 years, so we'll just have to see how things play out. It sounds like maybe some of the earlier Warner Brothers titles could eventually be problematic, but I've had a great experience with 4K so far and haven't noticed any issues, even with the earlier-manufactured 4Ks that I own. Thanks for watching!
@TheOriginalFuzz I have a few WB Titles as well. Hopefully, they will play when I need them to. I decided to go all in on 4k due to me thinking this is the last swell.
But now I'm thinking the next format will probably come out addressing disc rot and disc warp so the studios can get us to dip into our wallets 1 more time.
I'm thinking maybe small Nintendo switch size movie cartridges so it can also address storage space. The players would be able to have space for multiple slots to insert movies as well.
Just pulled out a few CDs I bought in the early 90s, and they are all fine. No reason these shouldn’t last a long time unless you store them in an attic or garage.
I started collecting DVDs around 1997 and bought on Amazon starting in 1998. Back then I received some new DVDs with playback issues but Amazon replaced them. One DVD that I bought in 2002, Exodus, I tried playing again in 2014 and it froze. So I bought the Blu-ray version. I don't know what caused it to freeze. I take pretty good care of my disks. Any other movies I've rewatched have not been a problem, although I do remember a movie that didnt work on one of my players but did work on another one.
Cool. Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective. Yeah that's probably around when I started collecting DVD as well... maybe a year later. I don't even have most of my old DVDs here with me anymore... they're at a separate location. But I haven't exactly kept them in the best storage conditions, so I'm guessing if I did dig into that box (which are mostly just titles I've since upgraded to blu-ray or better), I might find a few more problematic discs.
Hi, thank you for your video. The only time I have had any issues with DVDs is when I have purchased second hand and the occasional disc will pause when playing, however these discs do have a few scratches. Due to space I currently store my discs in their original boxes in plastic storage boxes. I don’t store the discs stacked horizontally. I store them so when looking in the storage box you can see the name on the spine of the box. Do people think this will be ok, i.e not upright on a book shelf, but not horizontal?
Yeah that should work fine... I wouldn't worry about it. As long as you have the discs upright on an end (long end or short end) and not laying flat (or having multiple discs/cases stacked up all laying flat), then I don't think you'll have any problems. I stored some of my music DVDs in a big drawer the same way for a period of time. I think the important thing (over the long term) is just that the discs are stored upright and not laying flat on a surface. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!
I definitely have found some really old Lionsgate and WB DVD's with this copper colored on the read side of discs also a few but not as many with what looks like mold underneath the clear coat of the disk but on top of the silver read side of the discs. The copper colored ones play just fine, but the ones that look like mold or something like mold skip and don't read well if at all.
Yep that sounds like disc rot... and I've heard/seen others suggest the early WB and Lionsgate discs seem to be the biggest culprits for issues (even on 4K). That sucks. I'm wondering how many WB discs I may have to replace at some point down the line. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
Not come across any issues with dvd or blurays.
But have 1 cd from 1986ish, with rot holes. And a lot of CD-R discs wich have completely delaminated from 2004.
Can you store them not facing down, but standing on their long side? My drawer is not high enough to store them with the small side on the floor. So is it OK to set them with the large side on the floor?
Yeah that should work fine, if I understand you correctly. I used to keep my music blu-rays (and some old DVDs) stored in a big drawer with the titles sitting on their long end like that. As long as you're keeping them "upright" on an end (either long end or short end) and not laying the cases flat and stacked up, then you should be fine.
@@TheOriginalFuzz Thx, thats what i mean indeed :)
I'm wondering why it's so important to store them vertically. With vinyl, I totally get it. But with discs I don't really see how they could possibly get warped or damaged when stored horizontally INSIDE their cases. I mean how does that warp a disc ?
Mainly a DVD issue and I would bet more likely if you store your collection in a steamy hot humid basement level or storage unit. But cancel my Amazon Prime account? Lol since I collect, that's not likely hah! I get what they're saying about streaming tho..
Hey, That swirly pattern on your disc from what i can see is almost certainly due to the manufacturing, From memory its the adhesive, it looks like a gel like substance when DVDs are made and i think its similar for blu rays too, the glue is spun in manufacturing to balance the gel like substance out before the next layer press, basically this has been more excessively glued to the standard as you can see it that means its pretty thick, as its rare but not uncommon for discs to be like this as you know they all have tight tolerances, but everyone's checking their stuff for now.
What this tells me though is your disc is glued together nicely as its fully pressed, as it still plays so the data is fine for now, will it last 100 years? i dunno, might be the first one to go.
Real disc rot is often on the cheapest of manufacturing for now and somehow corroding the data layer in storage, it will be a LONG time for most of this to happen, but some will happen quicker than the others, i think much of what we can see at the moment is from older discs that have not had the greatest previous life, but if you brought dvds either in good condition or new, unless there is no deficit from purchase, probably last the rest of your life if kept in good storage.
Generally, as a rule of thumb, ill give most DVDs a 30 year "typical" shelf life personally before excessive backup collections ends up being mandatory unless more light shines on the actual future of this, its a bit sad, but not everything lasts forever, On that note, its probably a good idea to visually inspect ALL physical media on or if possible before purchase, everyone wants the best they can get after all.
Thanks for watching and weighing in with this perspective. I appreciate it! Yeah i wasn't quite sure what to make of it when I first noticed it on the DVD. I almost never watch DVDs anymore, so they don't get a lot of attention from me.
My bluray collection of which some are 15 years old still play without any issues , but it's not the same with 4K UHD discs especially from WB where I had to replace nearly 6 discs within a short span of time where they stopped playing.
It's the reason I stopped buying 4Ks from WB
Yeah I'm hearing a lot from others as well that some WB 4k discs have been problematic. So far I've not encountered that (that I'm aware of -- even though I know I have some older WB 4K releases), but it's got me wondering how many of my WB 4Ks I may have to replace. I've only been collecting 4k for about 4 years. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
Don't know if you'd characterize this as "rot", but I have several boxes sets of Dallas and ER on DVD - the WB double sided disks.
Many episodes will not play, despite the disks looking fine. They all played perfectly when first bought 15 years ago.
No problem with any Blu-ray so far.
I have the same problem with some of my ER dvds
@duckula316 It's very annoying when you are in the mood to revisit a favourite show, to discover that many complete episodes are unplayable.
The longevity of any optical disc, like dvd, cd, blu-ray is really not concerning (pressed discs i mean, burnt discs won't last more than 20 years probably), the real problem is the dedicated players and optical drives, those have a much higher chance of failure than discs.
And most likely companies will stop manufacturing optical drives in the future.
Luckily i haven't come across this 🤞🏻 great informative video
Thanks Stuart! Appreciate you watching my friend.
I've never had a problem with Blu rays never heard of or saw disc rot with Blu Rays however DVDs especially Warner Brothers do have that problem
Blu-rays do rot. I bought a disc off Severin in 2018 and it developed rot in 2020. Totally unplayable. And no replacement from Severin 😂
@@paulconway384 first off how do you know it's not a pre owned used version disc can be resealed to make them look new second may the way it was stored in there warehouse it could have subjected the Heat and Humidity
@@michaelliptak358 I think the film only came out from Severin in 2018. It looked perfect when I first watched it. A brown stain developed on it.
If you keep discs dry, away from humidity, heat, cold they should last a very long time. I get the "atleast 10 to 20 years" comment as that's the only data they have the tech is only 20 years old so the only proof is discs still working. As for dvds I still ua e my original copy of the matrix and it still works fine. I guess it all comes down to how you store them and how many times the disc has been played also.
I would also say use the best player you can within your budget. Not just for the quality of the picture etc but better players will ha e less chance of damaging discs. I 2puld also say whatever equipment you use if you can get the machine serviced/cleaned or even just a can of compressed air to blow dust out now and again. This would be a good practice.
Disc rot is real. Every year I find some when I do a full check of my 3000+ discs. It looks like a brown stain around the outer edge. Interestingly, some of them still play.
Where i know this was a real thing was with Lazer Disc's back in the 90s. I only had it happen with one film , Beauty and the Beast which quite quickly suffered from Lazer Rot and became unwatchable 😢😢😢
I have Laserdiscs,DVDs,HD Dvds,Blu-rays,CDs ,SACDs and 4K Uhd Blu-rays and not one has Disc Rot.
I have CD´s and DVD´s from the late 1990´s and i have looked at almost all of them and there is nothing on any of my dics, i have tried a few of the oldest ones as well and they alll work fine my oldest Blu-Ray´s from 2007 and onwards also works fine with nothing on any of the ones i looked at
Here’s a vid on discs susceptible to rot due to manufacturing issues : ua-cam.com/video/ufALjleweoA/v-deo.htmlsi=lVUinZrbqMu4icI0
ha, the claim that VHS only lasts about 30yrs is so crazy...I still have about 30 VHS I have had since the mid 80s and they play fine - They "press" the commercial blu-rays, when we do them at home the burning in with the laser is different....I also find it funny that a lot of the same people telling us to recycle plastic because it takes hundreds of years to bio-degrade are also telling us our BluRay could rot and degrade in as little as 10yrs LOL
VHS are prone to mould though.
Ive lost 5 titles so far on UHD due to rot. Had to repurchase each one. So far so good. Seems exclusively limited to WB discs and were purchased between 2018 and 2020. 1 or 2 were from lionsgate. Not looking too good for 4K. And all my discs are near mint to pristine.
Now that you mention it, I have heard that from other collectors about Warner Bros. -- that some of the earlier 4K releases haven't held up. I don't really think that's an indictment of the 4K format as whole... it's seems like more an indictment of those companies (WB and Lionsgate) and their 4K releases. because I've not really heard/seen any reports of issues from other companies (in terms of longevity). But that said, it does make me wonder how many of my own WB (or even Lionsgate) titles I may have to replace at some point. Definitely a little concerning for those movies. I've never been a fan of how WB does physical media... their cases always suck, they stack discs, etc. Thanks for watching and chiming in! Appreciate the perspective.
I got DVD's that are over 20 years old and work just fine so blu ray disc rot doesn't bother me.
It's not a thing for me. I have cds from 1982 that play and sound incredible and 1st pressing Goodfellas 2-sided clamshell DVD I purchased from Costco when the cashier and worker's had to ask me what i was buying. It still plays well and stops to display " turn over disc to continue. " 😂
Never had a problem. WB snap cases can have an issues I hear because of using poor manufacturing practices. I'd say don't store in a storage unit.
Just another thing you or they didn't mention, but smoke of any kind is no good! I know people that smoke a lot of weed and cigarettes, and their discs do not last as long as mine because of the smoke that always around their discs and players.
Very good point. Yeah that slipped my mind to mention, but yes, any kind of smoke will definitely be bad news for physical media.
You might think that but I have been buying Blu-rays from back when hddvd was still a thing. Never had a cd dvd or bluray go bad on me. They lay flat and I have smoked like a freight train the whole time. I have seen damage like rot on disks left in storage sheds.
I just couldn't imagine spending 1000s on movies and not backing them up😅
That is actually discussed in the Gizmodo article I linked to and referenced, but I decided not to draw attention to that aspect of the article, since it appears that, technically, ripping the discs -- even for one's own private use -- is illegal (in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998). And I didn't want to promote anything that could be construed as "illegal" on the channel (no matter how unenforceable or ridiculous such a law may be).
@@TheOriginalFuzz I can see that. What has always amazed me is that your allowed to record television for use in your own home legally but movies you buy can't be ripped legally.
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Big one is having a dehumidifier
Ill add, I have vhs' and even a few dvds w some scratches that work perfectly fine. Buy a brand new 4k n the thing skips 🤦♂️ Not a big fan of 4k. I have a few that skip n nothing is even on it for that to happen.
I've noticed from watching another video of yours that it could just be my player. I bought a Phillips like 6 years ago for about $140,so the cheaper end. It finally started to act up a few months ago. I even have to take it apart sometimes to clean laser cuz it won't play a 4k,but will play bluray or dvd. Onced cleaned it plays but still skips w certain ones n always in those same spots. May get the Sony 4k player you talked about. Seems like bluray n dvd players was just a simpler time. Can find one on the side of the road,rained on,then baked in the sun n it'll still work🤣 I recently just subscribed n like your work. Keep it up 👍
When I tell people about my “luck” with laser products, no one believes me. Around 15~20% of all disks I’ve bought through life do not “rot”… They ARE rotten from the get go. That is, about 15% to 20% of the disks I’ve bought throughout my life would already either not play, or skip, etc. And I mean all the way back to CDs, moving on to various versions of writable and rewritable CDs, moving on to DVDs, ROM or otherwise, and all the way to the current Blu-Ray 4K UHD ones. And no, it’s not me. It’s not “the computer”. It’s nothing I did or do. I’m now 51 years old. Bought my first CD when I was around 18 or so. And as I build my collection, my solution has become to also buy with a replacement guarantee, because sure, out of each 10, 1 to 2 are bad and need to be replaced. 🤷🏻♂️
Fortress will continue to be working until 100 years old.
100+ years.
Cover your disc boxes with plastics.
Fuzz
I’ve had disc rot, and it is a big deal! American Psycho was one, very disheartening! All always properly stored and handled in a shelving units in a climate controlled environment. Eventually everyone will experience it.
Oh man that sucks! Thanks for watching and sharing. Yeah I agree it's a natural process that can't really be stopped completely regardless. I'll be very curious to see how long goes by before i start noticing any kind of issues. So far, I've not had any problems with it on blu-ray or 4K... with my oldest discs being maybe about 16-18 years old.
@@TheOriginalFuzz the only thing I can’t account for is I used to work for family video and some my library came from there, but don’t remember which ones.
No, we can't see it! LOL
complete utter non sense