This cmdr is just Fixed Kathril, and I loved that deck, but the absence of haste as a keyword that it cared about was its weakness. Then this card comes out, has card draw stapled to it, and cares about haste. If I hadn't had enough of the "keywords" playstyle (having played both Odric for yrs and then Kathril), I'd be looking to make this deck, too. All that just to say I liked this gameplay, and I appreciated you trying this dino out. It's not Dino week part 3, but I'll take what I can get.
I built this guy. It was fun to find creatures I wanted to play and not just creatures with an abundance of keywords. Really fun deck building exercise!
Ah very cool. Yeah the next step would be optimizing for the best creatures who serve both purposes well. Yeah its a sweet deck, id like to play more of it.
I have this deck in paper, and my balance is off in the other direction - too many creatures. Haha. Still REALLY strong. (btw, fauna shaman effects are OP in this deck.) I do want to say, though, that you really only need one +1/+1 counter on him so he can be a three-hit kill. Preferably instant speed so you can put it on him in response to his draw trigger and get the card(s) off the +1/+1 counter(s), too. I use Agent's Toolkit, Vastwood Fortification, and then all those lands that will put one on him (there are like 7) Anyway, great game! It was fun to see you play Sultai. 😁👍
Lol yeah its easy to do that too. IMO i think 3 hit is a kind of slow for todays day and age, I do think you really want to be in the 2 hit category when possible, and in the late game scale up to 1 shot kills. I think forgotten ancient is great here, but I also just need to get a blackblade reforged in the deck. I dont know the spell based +1/+1 counters card pool very well, but one or 2 of those that can drop a bunch of power on there are gonna be solid also i think. All things to work on. I do think its a really cool commander, and I'd like to play him again.
@@CommanderReplay Yeah, I agree with the number of hits. Indominus' resilience and Vigilance/Lifelink give you extra time to get people dead, but you're totally right. Your group plays at a higher level than mine as well, so that's a big factor. (e.g. fast mana) I do run an old, bad card that makes it two hits - Ana Sanctuary. Haha. 😂😂 Killing someone is made even better when it's a niche/bad card that kills them, IMO.
I noticed Library of Leng in your decklist. You should take it out, its replacement effect is going to make you have a bad time. Love to see you play sultai and appreciate the history bits
As far as I can tell the interaction still works as intended. The discard action is replaced with a special discard action that put its on top of the library. Im happy to look at any rulings you find that say otherwise though, since its a real uncommon interaction. Thanks!
@CommanderReplay Under C.R. 701.8c, if "a card is discarded, but an effect causes it to be put into a hidden zone", such as the library (C.R. 400.2), "instead of into its owner’s graveyard without being revealed", the card discarded this way will have undefined characteristics and the discard won't count as discarding a card with particular characteristics. So you can put the cards on top for sure, but there won't be any visible characteris for Indominus Rex to see so no counters. They move from a hidden zone to a hidden zone, so there's no instance characteristics can he checked
@@literNL The cards get revealed since the trigger specifies only creature cards can be discarded to it, so Indominus does see the abilities on the cards.
@@literNL Ok so I tried this on MTGO yesterday and it worked as I thought it would, discarded them then drew them right back with all counteres in tact, and holy crap was that insanely powerful. I then checked with a ton of people to see if that interaction was correct, and oh my Even judges were very split on what should happen. Anyway what we eventually arrived at is that, because it requires creatures specifically to be discarded the game has to check that they are creatures which causes a reveal. I will probably make a short on this.....this is one of the most complicated interactions i think ive ever run into.
It's kinda like Gyruda and a RIP. Even though it mills the cards and they would be exiled it still checks for the cards milled this way and can return a creature. They 'discarded this way...' is the key clause that it checks for, not what happens afterwards
I think they do different things. Odric is a go wide deck where spreading is the main goal. Indominus is more similar to a voltron deck where you make 1 really nasty creature. Depends on which playstyle you are looking for. I think both kill at a similar speed.
Ya know I felt like things were getting blurrier, but its hard to tell cause I cant see so good after lasik. Anyway the resolution gets complicated because of how the screen capture works, but i'll investigate to see if i can clean it up for future videos.
Good luck with that, it sounds real complicated. Like I mentioned in the video this is a commander that wants to you build the deck a very certain way....with roughly about 30 keyword creatures. It will be tough to find room for other stuff, but if you're determined enough you can probably make work :)
Only 7:30 into this game, but the threat assessment across the board seems pretty bad. Why are they feeding Rhystic with 3/2 commons, throwing damage into other aggro decks instead of pressuring the Sylvan Library, and discarding removal spells as powerful as Generous Gifts? You didn't impact the board for five turns and drew 10+ cards, but your opponents _playing aggro decks_ are not acknowledging your existence. I guess its partly a content creator shield haha 😅
![Indominus Rex, Alpha | Voltron / Keyword Soup - The Brewery [S11E04]](/img/n.gif)
This cmdr is just Fixed Kathril, and I loved that deck, but the absence of haste as a keyword that it cared about was its weakness. Then this card comes out, has card draw stapled to it, and cares about haste. If I hadn't had enough of the "keywords" playstyle (having played both Odric for yrs and then Kathril), I'd be looking to make this deck, too. All that just to say I liked this gameplay, and I appreciated you trying this dino out. It's not Dino week part 3, but I'll take what I can get.
Haha I try. yeah this thing is sweet. Makes me want to take akroma for another spin.
I built this guy. It was fun to find creatures I wanted to play and not just creatures with an abundance of keywords. Really fun deck building exercise!
Ah very cool. Yeah the next step would be optimizing for the best creatures who serve both purposes well. Yeah its a sweet deck, id like to play more of it.
I have this deck in paper, and my balance is off in the other direction - too many creatures. Haha. Still REALLY strong. (btw, fauna shaman effects are OP in this deck.)
I do want to say, though, that you really only need one +1/+1 counter on him so he can be a three-hit kill. Preferably instant speed so you can put it on him in response to his draw trigger and get the card(s) off the +1/+1 counter(s), too.
I use Agent's Toolkit, Vastwood Fortification, and then all those lands that will put one on him (there are like 7)
Anyway, great game! It was fun to see you play Sultai. 😁👍
Lol yeah its easy to do that too. IMO i think 3 hit is a kind of slow for todays day and age, I do think you really want to be in the 2 hit category when possible, and in the late game scale up to 1 shot kills. I think forgotten ancient is great here, but I also just need to get a blackblade reforged in the deck. I dont know the spell based +1/+1 counters card pool very well, but one or 2 of those that can drop a bunch of power on there are gonna be solid also i think. All things to work on. I do think its a really cool commander, and I'd like to play him again.
@@CommanderReplay Yeah, I agree with the number of hits. Indominus' resilience and Vigilance/Lifelink give you extra time to get people dead, but you're totally right.
Your group plays at a higher level than mine as well, so that's a big factor. (e.g. fast mana)
I do run an old, bad card that makes it two hits - Ana Sanctuary. Haha. 😂😂 Killing someone is made even better when it's a niche/bad card that kills them, IMO.
That ace ventures clip kills me!
Lol yeah it makes me laugh too :)
24:18 Guile's Theme goes with everything
I noticed Library of Leng in your decklist. You should take it out, its replacement effect is going to make you have a bad time.
Love to see you play sultai and appreciate the history bits
As far as I can tell the interaction still works as intended. The discard action is replaced with a special discard action that put its on top of the library. Im happy to look at any rulings you find that say otherwise though, since its a real uncommon interaction. Thanks!
@CommanderReplay Under C.R. 701.8c, if "a card is discarded, but an effect causes it to be put into a hidden zone", such as the library (C.R. 400.2), "instead of into its owner’s graveyard without being revealed", the card discarded this way will have undefined characteristics and the discard won't count as discarding a card with particular characteristics.
So you can put the cards on top for sure, but there won't be any visible characteris for Indominus Rex to see so no counters. They move from a hidden zone to a hidden zone, so there's no instance characteristics can he checked
@@literNL The cards get revealed since the trigger specifies only creature cards can be discarded to it, so Indominus does see the abilities on the cards.
@@literNL Ok so I tried this on MTGO yesterday and it worked as I thought it would, discarded them then drew them right back with all counteres in tact, and holy crap was that insanely powerful. I then checked with a ton of people to see if that interaction was correct, and oh my Even judges were very split on what should happen. Anyway what we eventually arrived at is that, because it requires creatures specifically to be discarded the game has to check that they are creatures which causes a reveal. I will probably make a short on this.....this is one of the most complicated interactions i think ive ever run into.
It's kinda like Gyruda and a RIP. Even though it mills the cards and they would be exiled it still checks for the cards milled this way and can return a creature. They 'discarded this way...' is the key clause that it checks for, not what happens afterwards
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Got to love Dino Facts
20:37 Reaver Titan with extra combat steps and Isshin. Every attack deals 10 to each opponent lol
That is hilarious. And digusting.
Ana Sanctuary is a card I’ve used in sultai decks. On upkeep can give your commander +5/+5 consistently
Keywords in Sultai! Who would have thought?! Nice.
Its a big ferocious dinosaur. Its fun. Flavor matches pretty well :)
Would helm of the host work well with this deck?
Im not sure that it would. I dont htink it copies the counters.
You think this guy or Odric Lunarch Marshal is a better commander for keywords?
I think they do different things. Odric is a go wide deck where spreading is the main goal. Indominus is more similar to a voltron deck where you make 1 really nasty creature. Depends on which playstyle you are looking for. I think both kill at a similar speed.
That looked fun.
1080p is much more blurry than it should be. If you are doing any resizing you shouldn't.
Ya know I felt like things were getting blurrier, but its hard to tell cause I cant see so good after lasik. Anyway the resolution gets complicated because of how the screen capture works, but i'll investigate to see if i can clean it up for future videos.
Ok I found the culprit, my desktop resolution wasnt set to 1080. Should get better after the view videos I've already filmed.
@@CommanderReplay I figured as much. Glad to see it sorted out.
Forgotten Ancient doesn't >target< when moving counters . It just moves counters from it "onto other creatures".
(Gatherer, as always, very usefull
Ah very good to know! Good card is good :)
I've been trying to figure out this deck but with mutate as the theme
Gosh I really want to rebuild my deck to do that. Such good flavor.
Good luck with that, it sounds real complicated. Like I mentioned in the video this is a commander that wants to you build the deck a very certain way....with roughly about 30 keyword creatures. It will be tough to find room for other stuff, but if you're determined enough you can probably make work :)
Don't think many updates will let Flooded Strand get an Untapped G/B land.
Lol yeah I wasnt paying super close attention in that moment.
Maybe someday wizards will release an off-type land cycle with an island that produces G/B. That would be insane but a lot of things are these days.
@@motorologistI think, Rules as written, if it has the Land type it can innately tap for that colour.
@@rorylastname7635 Ah, nevermind then
or, they could print some weird tri-land that enters untapped.
Indom is so much fun
Indeed it is. Ive been really enjoying it.
Only 7:30 into this game, but the threat assessment across the board seems pretty bad. Why are they feeding Rhystic with 3/2 commons, throwing damage into other aggro decks instead of pressuring the Sylvan Library, and discarding removal spells as powerful as Generous Gifts?
You didn't impact the board for five turns and drew 10+ cards, but your opponents _playing aggro decks_ are not acknowledging your existence. I guess its partly a content creator shield haha 😅
Whey keep watching the videos if you dont enjoy them?
@@CommanderReplayDo you think that I'm off base? I'm just trying to decipher the plays being made.
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