How Bad Was The IS-3?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 лис 2021
- Since I couldn't stop talking about how great the Soviet IS-2 heavy tank was, I figured I would balance it out by talking about its less auspicious successor, the IS-3. The IS-3 terrified the Western Allies when it appeared in the Berlin victory parade, but while impressive on the outside, it was plagued with a number of issues that saw its production cut short.
Check the channel "About" section for the link to the creator of my profile picture.
Sources:
Tankograd: The Formation of a Soviet Company Town: Cheliabinsk, 1900s-1950s - L. Samuelson
IS-3 Heavy Tank, Technical Description and Manual - Russian Motor Books
The IS Tanks IS-1, IS-2, IS-3 - Mikhail Baryatinskiy
Soviet T-10 Heavy Tank and Variants - James Kinnear, Stephen Sewell
IS-3 Stalin Heavy Tank - Steven Zaloga
Armor, Volume 111, Issue 4
Armor, Volumes 106-107
Songs used (in order from first to last):
Subnautica - Into the Unknown
Halo 3: ODST - Rain (Deference for Darkness)
Sound mods:
Epic Thunder (Pre-release)
Gunner HEAT PC Crew Voices Mod (Personal, go play the game: gunnerheatpc.com/ )
Sponsor: apexgamingpcs.com/pages/spook...
Second channel: / @spookstoon
Patreon: / spookston
Twitter: / spookston
Reddit: /u/spookston
Discord: See my Patreon page.
Twitch: / spookstonwt
Steam: goo.gl/BYQjC9
#warthunder #tanks #tankhistory - Ігри
apexgamingpcs.com/products/spookston
They confused Warthunder with World of Tanks ;)
Are you planning on making a video about the servers current situation? High pings, high PL and connections, has Gaijin said anything about those issues and if they are fixing them at all?
@@deadyoo00 wtf
@@kazuto17 And they still didn't change the description :D
The KV1 was a very good tank. Best armour/gun combination in 1941.
Soviet fire extinguisher: There will no fire if there’s nothing left to burn
Hello, Checkmarked person..
What is the monobear doing here
In Soviet Russia, you _literally_ fight fire with fire
Didnt know you were a war thunder player
I try this in war thunder I tell you about The result
IS-3 was the result of jumping into a revolutionary design too fast without ironing out the quirks. I'd argue that the IS-7 finally perfected it, but it was _too_ perfect and therefore was too expensive.
T-10 perfected it
@@badgermcbadger1968 T-10 is overall inferior to the IS-7... but cheaper and easier on upkeep. So yeah a better war machine overall.
The IS-10 (later renamed and better known as T-10, I'm calling it IS-10 to emphasise its connection to the IS family of tanks) has arguably perfected the design. Well, maybe not perfected. Nothing is really perfect, but it was the epitome of the IS series. It saw the longest production run of any IS tank, as well as the longest service time. Most IS variants were only in production for 2 years. The IS-10 was in production for 13 years, and saw service for almost 45 years. As for the IS-7, while the IS-7 was promising, it's weight and cost made it unappealing, thus it never left the prototype phase. Many of the shortcomings from previous IS tank designs would be resolved in the IS-10, including the weight and cost issues that plagued the IS-7.
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 it perfected the standardization for mass production compared to the complicated perfection of the IS7
Keep in mind the is7 had its fair share of problems.
I just find it funny that this thing was so scary to look at, the allies panicked into making expensive Heavys too
If it came down to combat they likely wouldn't have needed an answer for the IS-3 so everybody wasted tons of money
It's not a waste of money if we get to pit them against each other in games seventy years down the line.
Eh, it also lead to the development of better infantry anti tank weaponry which can hardly be called a waste of money. However it is true that the IS-3 was all show and no go, but for me that's enough to like it :')
@@Zorro9129 except we mostly get to pit them against 60s ATGM shit cause why not war thunder
The whole goal of a cold war is to look big and scary without engaging in actual combat
@@zlounberg6958
They would've ended up facing ATGMs in real life anyway, so...
*historically accurate*
did you change the crew voice in your WT client to that of the Crew voice in GHPC? cause that's a very neat mod.
i want it too
@@lambsaucy69 same I wish he did a tutorial on it
Says he did in the description, but doesn't say how
He did quite a while ago really.
I too would love to know how to do this
The IS-3: most badass looking failure ever made!
I think IS-7 has that title
@@yasseralwash7127 I dunno, Im not a fan. I prefer the "frying pan" style turrets like the IS-3 and the later T-72.
@@yasseralwash7127 ИС-7 wasn't a failure, it was great but it was incredibly expensive and that prevented it from going full on mass production
Yep, the "cow dung" turret does look mean.
@@CARILYNF perhaps, in my opinion they look rather similar but the later one is a better tank
is3 looks cool doesnt matter what you say
I completely agree with you.
Biscuit turret
Well yes but actually yes
It makes me think of Si-fi tanks
Surprised people haven't called you a Sovietboo.
"How bad was the IS-3?"
Oh boy here we go
For real this time
1:57, that is cursed in so many levels I dont event know how to feel about it
How about you do video on "How bad was the BMP?" I would love to see that video :D thanks!
Great Ideia!!
yeah, maybe even the chinese version
Was it though? I mean the US had the M113 as equivalent, i know the BMP1 suffered in Afghanistan but that was because it was made to fight NATO rather than goat farmers
@@nahuelleandroarroyo Well. That's why I want a video on it.
@@groucho1080p good luck getting info on that
Would love to hear about the T 10.
A very decent fortification buster. With great(from the POV of a heavy, 50-ton vehicle) strategic, operational and tactical mobility. A lot of enchantments.
I would love to see this too!
Just read Wikipedia, because that's what this guy does.
you can read Tankograf
you can picture how the CK design would look like in world of tanks. Combine the hull of the Obj703(II) and the stock "kirovets-1" turret on the IS3, so based on your picture of the CK design, that should look somewhat similar
The WZ-112-2 in WOTB is identical. I honestly have no clue as to why they designated it as a Chinese tank.
There is a K1 in the game files tho
@@guvyygvuhh298 right.. havent looked at the game files tho
I wonder what the LK version would look like...with the IS2-style turret.
here in WoTC we have the Kirovets-1
The IS-3 went through continuous upgrades every few months since they first came off the production lines in 1946. The first major upgrade package called IS-3M started in 1952, and featured a plethora of updates. It was then updated into its final form in 1957 after the Hungarian uprising, and those models were among the many sent to Egypt that were used in 1967. The tank remained in use in the USSR all the way until the early 1970s which is pretty impressive considering it was replaced by the T-10 and T-64. So there was some serious effort to keep them in inventory.
The more i like a military vehicle, the more it is ususally plagued with poor mobility, bad construction and so on. But i don't care if my personal head canon army would be made up by failed prototypes and flawed vehicles of around ww2.
Same
Your pfp would be funnier with the me163 komlet
@@badgermcbadger1968 Why? Like the Me 262 more. But yes, „Kraftei“ fits an omelett.
No IS-3 sources were listed. The only factual issue I'm aware were manufacturing defects on the first IS-3 run since those units absolutely had to make the parade, so every type of a shortcut was made to make sure that those tanks roll and don't fail on the parade.
Sometimes the best looking vehicles are poor performers.......but not always.
Too bad we never got a true heavyweight match between The Tiger 2H Vs Is-3.
Would have been a good brawl but I think tiger 2 would win due to crew comfort but it would be a hell of a fight
Well more like E75 vs IS3
@@tactical_snails2198 It would be a tough matchup for the Tiger II. the IS-3 armor profile was designed specificly to keep out the long 88mm and was invurnerable to it from the front. except for the turret ring right under the gun.Also, the 122mm could penetrate the frontal turret of the Tiger II at close ranges.However better crew comfort and optics would result in the Tiger II having the first shot and could maybe hit a weakspot at close ranges. Both tanks have an equal 50/50 chance of taking each other out.
@@darklysm8345 E75 didnt exist tho lulw
@@weaponizedautism6589 realistically, both break down before the fight begins.
I think that tanks which were perfect for the era they were designed for but terrible in the era they entered production are the most interesting in this series. The flagship of these has to be the French B1
The B1 wasn't that bad, the Germans had a lot of problems fighting it where as with the IS3 I feel like even a Pershing would beat it in a duel
@@angryman_ There's even a testimony of a German officers who fought through entire war, even at Stalingrad, and he said that no other enemy tank made him feel so powerless, like B1 did. He said however they tried to shot it, it just didn't do anything.
@@angryman_ I mean, in combat, two tanks can see each other, IS-3 wins. But reliability sense, both tanks die like my goldfish yesterday:(
I miss you arnie
@@SparrowNoblePoland which is great because thats exactly how i feel fighting it in WT
@@belgianfried F
If I'm being honest if the IS-3 was given the 100mm I think it'd have been a better tank for sure. Also I've sat inside an IS-3, and I gotta say, its rather cramped. The turret positions aren't as bad as I would have thought, although commander visibility is disappointing. But the drivers position is absolutely horrendous, and I was almost too tall for it and I was only 5 foot 6 inches at the time. The hatch is absolutely tiny, I actually got in the position through the turret, rather than try to get in through the hatch.
You're russian?
The reason it had 122mm was because it is far better against infantry and fortifications than 100mm. Originally it was considered in is 2 too to have 100mm, but real life isnt war thunder. Their job was mostly to destroy infantry
@taistelusammakko5088 funny you mention that because the Object 248 (IS-100) is in the game.
As for 122 vs 100, in the post war environment and logistics the IS-3 found itself in, the 100mm ammunition would have been more logistically consistent, and you would be able to carry more of it in the tank.
Later 100mm HE rounds from Post-WW2 actually have pretty impressive power.
I would think a 100mm gun, double the rate of fire, and significantly more ammo on the tank would make up for the single shot potential of the 122mm D-25.
I'm aware of why it was selected, but honestly it appears the IS-3 would have had more longevity with a 100mm rifle.
@@kobeh6185when it was i development the 100mm gun was relatively new. There was no reason really to put it over 122mm. Soviet engineers werent stupid
I've been having a blast with the IS-3 recently I don't feel like moving past 7.0
Dont do that. Past 7.0 ground battles most of their fun.
@@Scarl3t03 I'm taking a break from top tier sniping across the map
@@destroyerarmor2846 oh my phone changed my text lol. Dont go past 7.0, ground battle lost all of their fun*
@@Scarl3t03 damn I’m close to gettin the first t54. Does it really get that bad above 7.0 russia
@@philmybutup4759 well at 7.3 there's T-54 1949 and BMP, both are ok
7.7 is kinda tricky.
-IS-4 is one of the main example of powercreep in this game.
-The T-54 1951 is good, it have a HEAT.
-T-54 1947 is fine, that thing have the thickest ufp compared to any T-54/55s but can only fires filler rounds.
8.3 is ok, you'll have a feeling that you're a little slower than everyone else.
-U got T-62, which is average.
-T-10M, Typical Russian heavy but with a stabilizer.
-T-55 imo it's a really fun tank to play, it got a great gun with varying shells.
-Shilka is a great AA, not as good as Gepard or VT fuze slingers but still better than VADS
(These are tanks that I've unlocked and played, I'm currently fleshing out the BMP line)
You gotta finish off the soviet heavies and do the IS-4 next.
IS-6, IS-7 and T-10 are up next on the chopping block
Tho if spook makes an IS-7 vid I rly dont expect to see many flaws, that tank was rly rly good, just logistically a nightmare
@@guvyygvuhh298 I mean, the IS-7 was outrageously expensive to produce...
@@raptorjesus3894 And heavy, but thats what you have to pay for something good
Best tank in The World of Tanks game - IS-3
Me: Wait for a second...
Going to the museum asking the curator about their IS-3 story
Curator: After we blew the third engine on shooting trials we've just left it here.
Me: Don't want to be rude but isn't the shooting the very first stage of the evaluation process?
Curator: Yes. But we couldn't finish it as you need the functioning engine to fire on the move...
Me: And this is...
Curator: Yes, the fixed issues production run piece. Second, it went into an extended reliability program. Later it was a vastly modernized model of the late batch. Came here with the original 0,2km milage.
Me: ...
IS3: designed to combat the newer tigers and panthers
Gajin: LeOpArD gO pOw!
The Allies were not exactly afraid of the IS-3 when it was in the parade; The other allies had left and didn't see thing thing; It was Soviet Propaganda that said "Don't worry, we are still on your side".
I thought after the JS-3, the JS-3M would have at least resolved most of these reliability issues after the initial rushed production
Stop saying JS. Please 🙏
@@destroyerarmor2846 but ain't the JS the correct term? JS = Joseph Stalin
@@cmsIGauffahrgestellPanzerkampf Iosif Stalin. Joseph is like Joe Biden
@@destroyerarmor2846 Joseph Stalin, Joe Biden, both are "Uncle Joe"
@@destroyerarmor2846 why?
Its the same thing
JS-1
JS-2
JS-2 MOD 1944
JS-3
JS-3M
Most of my tank knowledge is in western vehicles so I was actually quite shocked to learn how bad the IS-3 was. I assumed it was more along the lines of the T-34 or IS-2 where it wasn't without it's issues but overall performed it's job fine. Thanks for teaching me something new about tanks.
bro dont take someones opinion as a fact... Rule 1 on the internet
That "again again again again!!" from GHPC during the last engagement in the video was incredibly fitting given the situation you were in. :P
I’d love to see you continue this series and go through all the IS series. You don’t necessarily have to talk about the 4, since you mentioned it here, but I’d love to see an in-depth look such as this on the 6, 7, and 10
You compared the turret to a frying pan, and that's pretty close to truth, yet it was "based" on another utensil. It's said that a CK lead engineer got an inspiration one morning while shaving when he looked at a soap dish turned upside down .
The IS-3 was terrifying, but I honestly think the M103 was superior, so after that there was no need to be scared. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
The later model of the M103 was definitely pretty decent as far as big heavy tanks go. Its armor could also completely resist the D-25, so, that’s a plus.
Heavy tanks are useless after Ww2. Nothing but a big juicy incapable bomb target. Medium and Light tanks were way more useful
@@neki203 especially with the Soviet T54 and successor tanks, which had quite similar armour protection for much less weight.
Is-3 was introduced in 1945, M103 in 1957. M103's rival is T-10 (which has also beeb introduced in 1953)
@@AltoTheWarlock T-10M is from 1957.
I've enjoyed your short essay's so far, sir.
All I know about the IS-3 is that the Soviet Union used them as good propaganda tanks (Because look at that sexy beast of heavy metal)
I love how the soviets showing off a scary looking heavy tank that actually isn't that good. Prompts the development of 3 competing tanks. And then the Russians go oh shit better make this tank actually work good.
Even better is in less than a decade heavy tanks become obsolete and everyone starts making MBTs
@@HowIsAsh the M103 couldn't have been that bad if they used it until the late 70s
The IS3 didnt even get to see combat lmao.
@@angryman_ The JS3 saw combat. Just not with the Soviets.
@@angryman_ It did, however, it face off against the Israeli in the freaking desert which is a bad place for heavy tank
@@healspringy6300 That was the IS-3M though, which improved and fixed pretty much all of the IS3s problems
It would be great to have a video on how bad the Cromwell series was. While a fan favourite it is said to have suffered from a few issues which would be great to be covered!
it's good to hear about L3/33 tankette and how performed it.
Love these vids my dude!
loving this series so much! :D
Great brief, with great pictures.
Could you do a video on the IS-7? Best looking tank ever in my opinion.
Those are some nice crew sounds you got there
I never noticed before, but I like that you use the crew audio from Gunner Heat PC for your WT gameplay
A possible depiction of the Leningrad Kirov (LK) IS-3 is the IS-2U, it is a modernization project for the IS-2 via implementing a pike nose, it may be the design the LK plant had, and the latter Chelyabinsk Kirov (CK) Plant may be the Kirovets-1, which is an early design to the IS-3.
Both of these are vehicles from World of Tanks and it's Blitz version so the info may be a bit foggy, Wargaming's depiction of the IS-2U is the WZ-110 Chinese heavy tank, and the Kirovets-1 is a standalone heavy tank, and is the stock turret for the IS-3, the WZ-112-2 is also similar looking to the Kirovets-1.
that was a nice video, thank you for it.
I can't wait for the rest of the IS Series.
Despite the fact that relatively few of them were made, there are 2 of them as memorials in random (maybe not) places in Leningradskiy region. I even almost climbed inside one of them as a kid, lol
61.031464, 30.123717 - first one, copy it and search for nearby panoramas/photos. This is the machine I touched
60.682870, 29.204988 - second one, go and find it the same way. Looks as strange as it can
Thanks for sharing these. They look real cool.
Love your content so much
daym iam a sucker for your background music, subnautica ost and halo 3.
Good taste in music my friend. Keep it that way I like it.
Having seen one of these tanks in person I can agree it is a very intimidating design but the flaws you pointed out are not surprising to me. However I still think it is an interesting page in tank design and I wish i could have gotten to hear it run while I was at the museum.
And for anyone interested the IS-3 I saw is at the House of Tank Museum in Wichita Kansas. It's a private collection so a lot of the tanks there are in operational condition.
I think the Soviet objective at the time was like:
*Objective: drain capitalist economy by scaring them into expensive programs*
If that’s the case, they failed miserably. Capitalist nations like America had cash to burn, while the Socialists didn’t. You know how that movie ended.
@@TheAKgunner Reagan's name be praised.
That was the exact strategy of the US actually. Like the space race for instance.
Glad I found you. Not many good tank channels
I honestly only know the IS-3 from descriptions of turrets and forward hulls being used as static defenses along the Russo-Chinese border in Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. They were part of a complex of defensive emplacements dug into the terrain. The PLA broke through after negating Russian artillery with counter battery missiles and throwing bodies into the meat grinder.
I know the is3 was not a very good tank but I still love it with all my heart!
talking about a nightmare on the battlefield and some chlling subnautica music in the background. spook you legend
Excellent breakdown.
I've been waiting for this
Excellent video.
I believe what I have seen on some photos that has been taken on the 1956 hungarian revolution contained footage of some IS-3s. All of them had their turrets exploded... And we didn't have a that strong of a tank force.
2:50 IS-3s weren't sent to the European theatre, but there is evidence that they were used against Japan in Manchuria and the Kuril islands. So, it most likely was used in WW2
3:39 The engine was not really unreliable. You can find videos on youtube of Russian seperatists in Ukraine starting an IS-3 that had been left on display for decades. Compare that to other WW2 tanks, which require pretty intense maintenance to stay in running order
3:45 Cracks in the turret were a problem with early production IS-3s, but this was slowly resolved as Soviet casting techniques improved. Same goes for the hull.
All around this is definitely better than your old IS-3 video, but I still think you rely on Zaloga too much when there are preserved primary sources from the '40s that you could be using. Zaloga wrote about the IS-3 in 1997, long before the internet gave us direct access to formerly classified soviet documents, and more importantly, he doesn't speak Russian so his ability to gather and interpret sources largely relies on his translators.
Personally I just love the look of the IS-3 because it just looks oddly threatening. It’s sooooo much fun to play as well.
The pike nose and the rough, low profile just makes this tank look so ruthless and intimidating. Like something that might come out a swamp like an alligator and start firing at you.
@@golucid745 exactly! It’s profile just looks so sturdy and powerful
@@strumvappyii161 Which is ironic, considering how the armor was somewhat prone to cracking from vibrations.
whoa, spookston from 2 years ago was wayyy more analytical. i like it!
@spookston if its possible, would you make a video on the tam and variants? Recently got the tam2ip and want to know more about it and cant find many vids going in depth like your videos. Thanks for the informative content, keep it going.
Go to the is3 in the Russian tech tree press on armour and remove additional armour and you'll see how small the space inside that tank
GHPC voicelines in the background. Solid.
I love the aesthetic of the tank that pan turret me likey
Love the squat look of the IS-3!
this is a very awesome 7.0 tank tho, only downside in the game is its outdated gunner optics, however its commanders optics are great
Somehow "It's just good at looking scary" holds up as true because ingame when I first saw the IS-3 in a Tiger 2 I thought it had a different gun from IS-2 and could pen the UFP until I realized it was just the 122 and I just shot the mantlet
It was one of the most influential tank designes ever.
Not only did it influence M103 and Conqueror but also CHieftain indirectly as Chieftain was designed to
combine mobility of Centurion and Firepower of Conqueror
I went and saw an Is3 at the tank museum here in wichita kansas, didnt realize it was so low to the ground, i was almost taller than it
This tank used to be feared back in the day
I cannot unsee the pan flipped upsidedown now
So, now that you've mentioned it...
*T-10 video when?*
Hey he actually Did a video on it, that's awesome
Could you please do one on the Chieftain as well? I would like to hear your perspective on the tank, especially in regards to the engine.
Could you do the next one on the centurion i think it would be quite interesting
There are some IS3 rusting away on a few Islands in the pacific area. They were sent there at the end of WW2. But after being deployed the war did end. They never came back, nor did see any combat. But they were there if Japan had any plans.
I Would love to hear about the IS-7.
T-10 or IS-4 next might aswell do the other Soviet heavies
Its biggest success was prompting all the western powers to build and maintain expensive and redundant heavy tanks, similarly plagued with mechanical issues, like the Conqueror or the M103.
the first combat deployment (at least one of the first) of the IS-3 was in 1956 during the hungarian revolution but the hungarian revolutionaries managed to take them out even without anti-tank equipment (they used molotov coctails on the engine deck)
also the same revolution was the t-54 first combat use too
1:44 I believe you are referring to the IS-2U, which you cam find the blueprints for online.
Ran into this man when he was recording some battles for the video on the Japan map.
I dont blame the Western Allies for being intimidated by the look of the IS3, it looks like an absolute monster with its sloped backward and sideways frontal armor and gigantic main gun.
I love the Is series of heavy tanks , with the Is3 now officially being the tank I want in wot console modern armour ww2 mode / blitz and WT
One of my favorite tanks in warthunder, beautiful fucken design
You should do videos on this tanks bigger brothers, the IS 6 and the IS 7
4:40 that derpy Chinese I63 giving you trouble is me!
I'd like to see that 2nd prototype in the tree because it looks like you can angle it without repercussions
I *think* that ended up being the IS6 prototype, iirc
please release that audio mod already, its so good
It saw combat in the 6 days war, after which it was turned into static artilary emplacements
Nice video
It's still a very futuristic cool looking design.
Hey spook, I'd love if you did one of these on the jagdpanzer 38(t), since it's another one of those vehicles people say was really bad or really good, also it would be good to hear your verdict on the armour issue, I've seen historians mention that it was RHA, which dies go agaisnt what Doyle said, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter
Hetzers were objectively not a great vehicle and were especially miserable for the crew assigned to them, but they were well suited for what Germany needed at the time, which was a small, easily-hidden tank hunter that could ambush superior numbers of enemy armor and was available in large quantities. It destroyed many allied and soviet tanks, so you can't call it a total failure.
@@dark7element the poor crew conditions and visibility issues are common knowledge, as is the fact that it was a rather effective tank hunter (which does kinda make it a good vehicle rather than a bad one as the lead argument for the quality of one vehicle would be how effective it was, poor design decisions/limitations, t34 and m3 being fantastic examples of very flawed vehicles being very effective) my comment exists to ask spook on his views of the hetzer purely out of curiosity and personal bias as it is my favourite AFV
Ignoring the tank's success or lack thereof, this is one of the most aesthetic tanks ever made.
Can you do a video on weird tanks that dont have enough info for a video? (T-22 grotto, that weird german mine clearer with 3 wheels, forget name)
great vid
Fun fact, there’s actually an IS-3 in Wichita, KS. Who would have thought?
You should do one on the IS-4. IIRC correctly they were warmed up and ready to go in the east just in case the USSR got directly involved in the Korean war. It would have been interesting to see how well... or badly they would have done on Korean terrain.
I did not know the Is-3 had such problems. I had always wondered why the soviets had so many heavy tank prototypes and limited production runs. It would seem they never really figured out what they wanted with heavy tanks.
The present day HEAT round with it's stand off spike nose was developed because of the IS3
The IS-3 is a fantastic looking tank if nothing else.
the pike nose can be a weak spot to high penetrating aphe shells and hesh shells but in can bounce if you angle wich is a horrible idea with some tanks or prob early apfsds