Conqueror vs ZSU-57 storage box | APDS Penetration Simulation

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  • Опубліковано 11 жов 2023
  • Simulation of Conqueror tank projectile hitting ZSU-57 side armor + steel storage box
    120mm L1 (Tungsten Carbide core APDS) at 1390 m/s
    vs
    15 mm HHA (side armor) at 60 degrees + storage box (4 mm steel sheet).
    120mm Ordnance QF gun muzzle velocity - 1463 m/s.
    The idea for the simulation comes from the player warthunder 😃
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 109

  • @user-xo1kl4kf1r
    @user-xo1kl4kf1r 7 місяців тому +183

    So it did shatter after penetrate ?
    I don't think the remain part can penetrate more than 70mm of armor

    • @dejmianxyzsimulations4174
      @dejmianxyzsimulations4174  7 місяців тому +53

      Depending on the distance, for a few centimeters of gap it would probably penetrate 70mm
      The important thing is that the cap was torn off. The core with cap would be able to withstand 15mm hard armor plate much better.

    • @axel3151
      @axel3151 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 how do you make these videos? i wanna to tests with sabot rounds vs the t90s front turret

    • @KaihanDTuna
      @KaihanDTuna 7 місяців тому

      ​@@axel3151it's called ANSYS i believe, and it took like weeks to make one simulation

  • @sierra4us
    @sierra4us 7 місяців тому +772

    So I'm guessing you had a ZSU storage box eat your conqueror round in war thunder

    • @TheLadderman
      @TheLadderman 7 місяців тому +195

      Yeah, that was exactly what I was thinking too lmao. This scenario is too random for it not to be inspired by something like that.

    • @Mechanized85
      @Mechanized85 7 місяців тому

      shit thunder.

    • @RedVRCC
      @RedVRCC 7 місяців тому +84

      gaijined

    • @o-hogameplay185
      @o-hogameplay185 7 місяців тому +136

      it was actually me who suggested it, and yes, it happened to me

    • @pimmelschilz9728
      @pimmelschilz9728 7 місяців тому +87

      So he put about 200 hours of computing time into this just to prove Gaijin is wrong

  • @o-hogameplay185
    @o-hogameplay185 7 місяців тому +229

    to anyone questioning why it was made:
    i while back i made a jokeing comment about the Conqueror's APDS shattering in a scenario like this. Yes, it happened to me in War Thunder.
    And to my honest suprize, he made a simulation on it, despite everybody knowing what would happen.
    If you are interested, APDS in that game is still broken, and all carbide APDS is basically useless, and underperform in any and all aspects, including:
    1, awful accuracy
    2, almost no damage even if it penetrates
    3, shattering on literally any spaced armor, like in this scenario. it depends basically from patch to patch (in one this Conq APDS even shattered on 2 pieces of ~4-5mm structual steel plates on a milk truck barely overlapping), and the extent of theis shattering varies. currently it isn't that awful, but for example tracks as addon on the side of a Sherman still shatter APDS, but this ZSU scenario would result in a penetration

    • @Boomchacle
      @Boomchacle 7 місяців тому +34

      FFS even if it shatters, you still have a couple kilograms of tungsten carbide going 1000 m/s. It's just a bit cracked now! Come on gaijin

    • @claudiovic9883
      @claudiovic9883 7 місяців тому

      Chieftain's apds dont suffer from that problem right?

    • @o-hogameplay185
      @o-hogameplay185 7 місяців тому +8

      @@claudiovic9883 It is tungsten alloy penetrator, not carbide. alloy penetrators are okay, they almost never shatter. for example the L7 APDS will go through even the superpershing's 3 layer spaced armor, even if it is angled, while that shell has way less performance than the chieftain's APDS.

    • @kopazwashere
      @kopazwashere 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Boomchacle their potato run-down "simulator" can't do those kinda sims i bet.
      projectile hit. bang. spread particles out. ignore kinetic energy kinda stuff.

    • @o-hogameplay185
      @o-hogameplay185 7 місяців тому +2

      @@kopazwashere i think you talk about non-penetration, and not shattering.
      there are a lot of cases, where 2 overlapping plates cause a non-pen. the algorythm just freaks out and calculates some absurdly high armor values.
      shattering is different, it is due to spaced armor literally making the shell shatter.
      neither is realistic in their current form tho

  • @ivangerasimov5462
    @ivangerasimov5462 7 місяців тому +12

    Every time bro gets a bs non-pen or death in War Thunder he goes “aight lemme simulate that shit”

    • @starslife3150
      @starslife3150 7 місяців тому +1

      if i could, i would do it myself haha

  • @TheDLVProject
    @TheDLVProject 7 місяців тому +71

    I love when people give answers to the questions no one asked.😂

    • @ns6q333
      @ns6q333 7 місяців тому +1

      i asked

  • @johnhighway7399
    @johnhighway7399 7 місяців тому +12

    Eternal reminder that even Panzer Front for the Playstation 1 has a more realistic ballistic formula than War Thunder.

  • @defaultretard138
    @defaultretard138 7 місяців тому +26

    looks like someone got really bad war trunder moment on his recent gayming session

  • @Angrynood
    @Angrynood 7 місяців тому +24

    So it went exactly how it should've gone

  • @resurgam_b7
    @resurgam_b7 7 місяців тому +51

    Ah yes, the fabled tungsten carbide foam core shell 🤣 Either that or Soviet air is much more dense and abrasive than we had previously assumed!

    • @dejmianxyzsimulations4174
      @dejmianxyzsimulations4174  7 місяців тому +22

      If the air were super dense and hard, there would be no tensile stress and the projectile would pass through it without harm. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      just physics...

  • @faustasdaunoras5385
    @faustasdaunoras5385 7 місяців тому +10

    why?

  • @pestomystic
    @pestomystic 7 місяців тому +2

    I'm convinced at this point, the majority of these videos are related to getting Gaijined on WT. Lol.

  • @bones-fe3gy
    @bones-fe3gy 7 місяців тому +9

    like firing a shotgun at a squirrel

  • @user-yc1xe1pd1f
    @user-yc1xe1pd1f 7 місяців тому +5

    Vladimir: ayo, blyat, my toothbrushes 😡

  • @schullerandreas556
    @schullerandreas556 7 місяців тому +33

    Thats way more errosion on the 120mm shell than there should be.

  • @Mixi1
    @Mixi1 7 місяців тому +9

    Impossible. Must be a mistake. Stalinium can't be defeated

    • @1991apfel
      @1991apfel 7 місяців тому +1

      Maybe it's because there where no tool in that box....

  • @PanzerkampfwavenVI
    @PanzerkampfwavenVI 10 днів тому

    Conqueror: I can penetrate a lot of things whit apds !
    Storage box: i will EAT you

  • @user-bj7ox8lx9e
    @user-bj7ox8lx9e 7 місяців тому +1

    I guess the author couldn't get a Conqueror to penetrate a Zsu 57 in a Wart Tander

  • @sirArcticfox99
    @sirArcticfox99 7 місяців тому

    Any idea what would typically be stored in that box? There wasn’t much left after penetration so I wonder if a bunch of tool steel could influence the penetration.

  • @saint_alucardwarthunder759
    @saint_alucardwarthunder759 7 місяців тому +1

    Somebody got Gaijin'ed today

  • @Screamblade_
    @Screamblade_ 7 місяців тому +1

    Could we get a dud round simulation? Like a HEAT round hitting a tank, failing to fuse, and just doing its best with kinetic energy?
    Feel like it’d be interesting to see if it can do anything

    • @dejmianxyzsimulations4174
      @dejmianxyzsimulations4174  7 місяців тому +1

      probably, but for tank armor nothing will happen, it would make more sense for a light AFV.

  • @isaacisaev5861
    @isaacisaev5861 7 місяців тому

    Oh no, he punched it! Incredible!

  • @ovhgermany9958
    @ovhgermany9958 7 місяців тому

    now that you have done a lot of tank rounds can you do rounds like the m995 or m885a1 for 556 gun vs lvl 4 armor plates

  • @soman5348
    @soman5348 7 місяців тому

    Question, what is the hardness of tungsten alloy that makes up AP penetrors? I'm trying to find a source but i've had no luck. I know that its lower than tungsten carbide but by how much? Please and thank you.

    • @dejmianxyzsimulations4174
      @dejmianxyzsimulations4174  7 місяців тому

      Generally, the maximum hardness ranges between 32-35 RC. Depending on the tungsten content.

    • @soman5348
      @soman5348 7 місяців тому

      Wow that is much lower than i expected, huh.

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte 7 місяців тому +11

    Speaking of WT, they added LOSAT. Kind of added. Mere mortals won't get it. But with it being on test vehicle(that isn't YaK-141 or Ostwind II that will be finished by devs) it's kind of unusable due to vehicle itself being largely unfinished.
    But it still is a massive AP(APCR?) round. Not the biggest in the game, but it seems like the fastest for its size and mass.
    Any chance you'd use against something as equally ridiculous, like say battleship armor?

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 7 місяців тому +1

      Losat shoots rod.

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 7 місяців тому +1

      @@jintsuubest9331 yes, AP "rod". That has neither fins to stabilise it, nor sabot to discard. Anything else?

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@TheArklyte
      The rocket use fin to stabalized and guide itself?

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 7 місяців тому +1

      @@jintsuubest9331 if I recall right, LOSAT uses altitude control motors to guide itself, not fins.
      So your point is that it's full caliber APFS? That's what you call a rod?

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 7 місяців тому +3

      ​@@TheArklyte
      You can literally Google losat, and the first image shows up is tube with fin control surface at the rear.
      Anyway, what I'm trying to say is losat had an conventional alloy rod penetrator.
      That's it.

  • @jintsuubest9331
    @jintsuubest9331 7 місяців тому

    Does the steel sheet contribute to the cap being torn off or this is simply how capped carbide shell will react to higher angle of impact?

  • @kwkfortythree39
    @kwkfortythree39 7 місяців тому +2

    I would think the round would go through like it was nothing there but it gets almost totally destroyed 😮

  • @nerd1000ify
    @nerd1000ify 7 місяців тому

    Totally random thought, what happens if you make a long rod apfsds from tungsten carbide?

    • @dejmianxyzsimulations4174
      @dejmianxyzsimulations4174  7 місяців тому +3

      it will penetrate a lot of homogeneous perpendicular armor, but it can be stopped very easily because it will shatter under less perfect conditions

  • @grigor.h3929
    @grigor.h3929 7 місяців тому

    Gaijin: That means hit.

  • @user-fu8hc8yt9o
    @user-fu8hc8yt9o 7 місяців тому

    I want to see YAMAYOgun v/s MBT armor.

  • @juancortapan7845
    @juancortapan7845 7 місяців тому +2

    It would be more interesting trying the same scenario but with a HEAT round.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 7 місяців тому

      I think a 120mm heat warhead would still win.

    • @juancortapan7845
      @juancortapan7845 7 місяців тому

      @@Treblaine of course it will, but i want to see how the box triggers the fuse

  • @VadimCC
    @VadimCC 7 місяців тому +3

    Noted

  • @JdeMonster
    @JdeMonster 7 місяців тому

    Someone got Gaijined

  • @zhuangsaur227
    @zhuangsaur227 3 місяці тому

    Isnt that abit One Sided? ZSU 57 has almost no chance surving 120mm Rounds let alone HE rounds

  • @madmexican1761
    @madmexican1761 7 місяців тому

    “hello everyone today we will be seeing if a 50 bmg can penetrate a piece of paper”🤣🤣

  • @alm5992
    @alm5992 7 місяців тому

    So, this would equal only around 34mm of armour, and the round got that mangled!?

  • @korvo9936
    @korvo9936 7 місяців тому

    Stahlhelm vs Shrapnell?

  • @tomyorke3412
    @tomyorke3412 7 місяців тому

    storage box did his best

  • @KoffieWhite
    @KoffieWhite 7 місяців тому +1

    Yes

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte 7 місяців тому +1

    But... why?

  • @TwixSvK
    @TwixSvK 7 місяців тому

    It almost stopped!

  • @rags417
    @rags417 7 місяців тому

    Yeah that was never going to end well.

  • @reptilesarecool9763
    @reptilesarecool9763 7 місяців тому +2

    But will it explode

    • @HANGING_SILVER
      @HANGING_SILVER 7 місяців тому +1

      The conqueror didnt fire an explosive shell besides hesh.

    • @jukeseyable
      @jukeseyable 7 місяців тому +1

      doesnt need to be, that would start an ammo cook off right there@@HANGING_SILVER

    • @HANGING_SILVER
      @HANGING_SILVER 7 місяців тому

      @@jukeseyable my response was in an assumption that he was asking if the shell had an explosive filler or not.

  • @markrichards7452
    @markrichards7452 7 місяців тому

    I think it went thru

  • @HobelDcs
    @HobelDcs 7 місяців тому

    Please 50° cal or 30mm WW2 bullets on WW2 aircraft Wings

  • @Katvanished
    @Katvanished 7 місяців тому

    what if there was ammunition inside the box?

    • @Baton666
      @Baton666 7 місяців тому +1

      А если бы там были инструменты, или песок или щебень.

  • @ryancrazy1
    @ryancrazy1 7 місяців тому +1

    an empty storage box?

    • @irirjhrhr4645
      @irirjhrhr4645 7 місяців тому +2

      yeah what if it had era and composite armor inside

  • @birksimon1213
    @birksimon1213 7 місяців тому +5

    why did you do this?

    • @benjaminfeuer3188
      @benjaminfeuer3188 7 місяців тому +2

      it's kinda his thing

    • @RedVRCC
      @RedVRCC 7 місяців тому +6

      cause someone got gaijined

  • @lake258
    @lake258 7 місяців тому

    Нипрабииил!

  • @Gretanit
    @Gretanit 7 місяців тому

    Я думал не пробьёт

  • @neurofiedyamato8763
    @neurofiedyamato8763 7 місяців тому +1

    *Surprised Pikachu Face*

  • @1KosovoJeSrbija1
    @1KosovoJeSrbija1 7 місяців тому

    I don't think this one surprised anyone

  • @rre9121
    @rre9121 7 місяців тому

    >playing warthunder
    I'm sorry. :(