If you have never seen a play like this, you need to check out the 2006 Outback Bowl between Iowa and Florida. There was an onside where they made this same call, and even the announcers were furious. To be fair, the officiating that game was abysmal throughout. The entire crew got suspended, and it is the reason that minor conference refs are not allowed to officiate power 5 bowl games anymore.
I remember that game well, as an Iowa fan. I have no doubts the refs were paid off by someone with a betting interest. There is actually a youtube video of that game and it is unbelievable how many bad calls there were, all in Florida's favor.
That's what I think. These refs are told "looks, if there's a call you can make that will keep the game close in the 4th qtr and keep people watching...make the call."
@@thebigcnel Only during bowl season where people are aching to make it through, day by day, for either their NFL game or for the CFP. I watch everything I can. I do not have ESPN, but I watch any game that comes on ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox.
When I was an official, they said that the philosophy (ie, how "they" want the rule interpreted and called on the field) is that on "full" kicks, offside should only be called if the player was touching the ground beyond the line, but on "obvious onside situations", it should be officiated as a "plane", and any part of the kicking team that breaks the line should be considered offside. At the same time, calling this just because a finger or facemask is over the line would fall into the "don't be too good" category. I think most supervisors would expect to see a head, torso, or leg obviously over the line before giving a "good call" rating on this. At the same time, replay can't "fix" a call this close.
if this is the case for "obvious onside situations" then the refs should tell the kicking team what they are looking for and will call it offsides when they see it. Otherwise, the kicking team would have no idea that the refs are arbitrarily judging this kickoff differently than all the other kickoffs that happened in that game.
@@HorrorKidd88The refs are always looking for illegal actions. The players know that. If a player doesn't know the rules of the game he plays, that's on him and his team for not making sure their players know the rules.
@@dannycarlow8204 Im responding to the OP that said in "obvious onsides situations" offsides is called differently (plane) than a typical kickoffs (touching the ground over the LoS)
@@HorrorKidd88 It was typical to inform the kicking team players to "stay onside" during onside kick situations. This difference in philosophy was never a secret, was among a number of items reviewed with coaches during their offseason clinics and often even mentioned in pre-game meetings.
That is the logic they use. There is a line. Do not cross it before the kick. They did, got a penalty. On long kicks they let it go because the ball flies 60 yards. Onside kicks, nope. They were over the line. What if the refs let this go? Other team gets screwed by offside the refs did not bother to call? That would be bogus.
We have legalized gambling in football. You can now gamble on foot ball via your phone. Expect corruption, bad calls, no calls, weird outcomes, shaving points, unexplained injuries....all that comes with fixing the outcome of games.
I think the "you can't call that in this situation" is such a bad take. That's just not how penalties work. The only thing to argue about here is whether or not there was actually an offsides.
Agreed if it's alegit penalty you call the damn penalty. Screw all that in this situation nonsense if the player screwed up thats his problem and he needs to learn from it and do better. If the rule was that no part including the helmet can't be across the los or it's a penalty and if that dudes helmet was across. Then by god you call the penalty their is no reason to screw the other team over just because you might like this team more. Call it by the book everytime and i have no issues with the way a game turns out win or lose.
I'm guessing by "situation" in this case he's just referring to the wishy-washyness of it and the officials "getting in the way of football". If offsides were consistently called for helmets being over the line then I would agree with the call. However if that were the case then I would've also seen 20+ defensive offsides penalties called in a single game recently.
The issue is they dont call it in other situations. Not a rules issues. An enforcement issues. Selective enforcement is the issue. If you dont call offsides so strict on a long kickoff you shouldnt on onsides. Or vice versa. Its the same rule.
It was offsides. It was the correct call. You people want to turn this into the joke that is the NBA where they call fouls or don’t call fouls based on who has the ball.
The real problem I see is that they don't call that offsides every time. It's not just your toes, your hands and head can't be over the line. It was offside. The real question is why does it not get called 90% of the time.
Agreed, and the announcers even encourage selective officiating by acrimoniously saying a fingernail offside shouldn't count. Hence leading to nutters like me thinking games are rigged.
It's because of how their trained. Also perfect example of even if it's the right call it's the wrong call because it's almost never called unless it's blatant. Also a very bad look for a bowl game the NCAA can't be happy about this one.
You don't a THING about football then. There is 2 Refs on the line to kick from. Their ONLY JOB is to WATCH the football and if they see ANY kick team cover that ball before it is kicked, it is OFF SIDES
Woah, settle down. This is a good call. There is clearly a head breaking the plane of the 35 yard line. On an "onside" situation that is going to get a flag 9 times out of 10.
A penalty is a penalty. ALL penalties should be called ALL the time. During every pass play, there is a O-lineman holding.....should be called everytime, or how do you know you can't do that.
Looking at that still, it looks like it was one of the top 2 players who were called. In an onside kick situation, officials at all levels are taught to be ultra strict when it comes to offside as every extra inch can make all the difference. This is opposed to a normal long kickoff when an extra inch won't make any difference and offside will only be called when a player is blatantly beyond the line when the ball is kicked. So no, the officials should NOT be investigated as this appears to be a correct call
😂 the Arkansas State player jumped right in front of the side judge before the kicker made contact with the football. If the side judge can't see the kicker make contact with the football, because another player's body is obstructing his view, that means the obstructing player is offsides. No one on the kickoff team can move passed the line before the kicker makes contact. It's a close play, but you can literally see the player obstruct the refs view of the ball before the kicker's foot hits it. Both Arkansas State players are head and shoulders over the line before the ball is kicked.
I have no investment in either team whatsoever, but while watching the game I could see how it would be called off sides. The top 2 players had their heads over the line and its not hard to see. When the game comes down to a 10 yard onside kick, you simply cannot make that mistake. Definately would not put this on "bad officiating". Just strict.
Correct. The second player in was considerably offside at the time of the kick. His toe is at or behind the restraining line and he is leaned well forward. Easy and correct call.
You can literally see it in the video. The only reason its not super clear is because the camera is on the far left side of the field. If it was straight down the kicking line you would it would be even more clear @@Parzival0
@nickknight9283 nope no one was offsides I watched myself bad call. Not to mention that is never called anyway unless it is blatant either way it is a bad call.
Just remember that each painted stripe between the goal lines is 4" wide centered on the actual yard line. So you get half of that stripe before you're offside.
The angle of the camera did not show the person offsides but the 2nd player from the top was offsides if you look at the camera from a straight on camera. And all offsides should be called regardless of how big of game it is. Your showing a biased angle is not showing the truth.
Totally offsides by the rule book. I’m amazed at the number of people that every game want to throw away the rule book and let stuff go. You need to realize where officials line up and the reason why the stand where they do.
Looks like an offsides to me. Blame the kickoff team for putting the play in the hands of the officials to call. Don’t blame the officials. That’s just cry baby stuff right there.
To me, it was borderline off sides, a penalty that the refs very easily could not have called. A Buffalo radio station host said one time that there's a penalty on almost every play. However, if every penalty was flagged, we would have five hour long football games.
Pretty straight forward. Go over the last 1000 kickoffs. How many had a head over the line and were called off sides? How many not called? Is the enforcment fair?
If we assume that the helmet was over the line before the ball was kicked then the kicking team deserved a penalty. If not then no penalty. But the rule doesn’t (or shouldn’t) have some provision that the degree to which a player is over the line is dependent on the game status or consequence of the penalty. Why give this flexibility in interpretation to the kicking team? If they broke the rule they deserve to suffer the consequences. It’s a shame for them that they may have only been a very slight bit offside but there isn’t an exception for “just a little bit “. The question is if he was offside or not. If he was a bit offside there is no question as to the proper course of action.
Do you watch football? There are plenty of penalties that get passed up especially in the NFL, in fact the NFL has actually made statements in the past saying they care more about the entertainment of the sport than anything else. Refs will many times overlook small penalties like the O-line holding or some unnecessary roughness as long as it's not too bad. The guy was saying this shouldn't have been a call because it was high stakes, late in the game, and there was barely, if any, call to be made. Most refs, especially in the NFL, would absolutely have let this go for the sake of the game and due to it being such a precarious call
No. The kicker is allowed to have a foot beyond the line. It wasn't allowed until soccer style kicking came into the game, and the rule was modified for their convenience.
It's hard to tell on that angle, but if those two guys at the top had their helmets beyond the restraining line, then this would've been the correct call. Also, that is how officials are trained to call offside (no "s") in an onside kick situation. Splitting hairs? Maybe. Incorrect call? Possibly, it's hard to tell. Rigged? 😂
@irgilligan Standards are different for onside kick versus kicking deep. Being past the line, even a little bit, on an onside kick gives the kicking team more of an unfair advantage than it would if the ball was kicked deep. Also, officials tend to be more strict on less frequent plays that would result in changes of possession (e.g. onside kicks, fake punts, etc.). You generally have more perfectly execute on those types of plays.
@@MikeQuinn71 Yes, you can be right if you simply invent rules to argue. Please go show in the rulebook your point. We won't wait, because it's not there....
You're just being silly. First, it doesn't matter at all who ended up with the ball because the flag was thrown before the receiving player even touched the ball. Second, the rule is not, "no player should be lined up ahead of the ball before the ball is kicked," it's "no player should be ahead of the ball." And hey, there are plenty of offsides that are called because a player's HEAD simply moves, so I don't have a problem with them interpreting the rule to include a player's head being part of the player (you know, because it is).
Well one might argue that the goal line is 2 dimensional too. Break it with the ball and it's a TD, why that wouldn't apply to the line when kicking is concerned?
The goal line is painted from its edge, so the entire stripe is in the end zone. The yard lines between the goal lines are painted so as to be centered on the actual yard line. So, for instance, the 40 yard line is painted from 39 yards and 34 inches to 40 yards and 2 inches from the goal line.
That would be spelled "referees." Not referee's. Referees don't care who wins and they should just enforce the rules per the book. They should not be allowed to make a judgement as to whether it's just a little bit offsides, or a lot offsides. Offsides is offsides. If the rule book says no part of the body can be across the line, then that's the rule. Enforce it or re-write the rules.
Yeah, in soccer a shoulder, foot, knee, toe, hand, finger, or whatever is considered to be offside by VAR. Not sure if it's like that in football (American) or if the foot has to be on or over the line when the ball is kicked off. Too bad they couldn't do a quick booth review of this kickoff and then say no flag for offsides.
You can not make any determination from that camera angle . The official was right there looking down the line. It is comical to listen to TV people and others that are totally clueless make up nonsense in their head and get all indignant.
So how far offsides are they allowed to be before you call offsides? Which other rules do you decide whether or not to enforce based on the phase of the game? You’re going to “investigate” the referee for daring to call offsides when a player is offsides because it was a close game?
So what you're saying is you want to try and ruin that referees career because he made a correct call you don't agree with it. Don't call for people's heads just keep on doing what you were doing before.
You have to wonder after the Dallas-Detroit game whether the NFL watches videos like this and thinks that this ref would be a great call up for their league...
You're wrong Isaac. The kicker was offsides. Look where he is positioned when the ball is kicked. He kicks the ball with his whole body across the line when he makes contact with the ball. He got too cute.
Surely the receiving team would've accepted the penalty, because the result of the play would've given the ball to the kicking team. What the result of the repeated kickoff was, I don't know.
Iowa got screwed by the same call a couple times now... a few years ago.... bowl game against Florida was really bad. Chad Greenway was called offsides and reply showed he had not crossed the line at all. It was a terrible call. Conference officials after the game said it was a mistake... great, that really helps. The poor officiating cost Iowa that game
games arent totally rigged but there are a lot of calls that influence the game for certain people to help win or to make teams have a tie to go into overtime. once the right people lose a lot of money on betting then those powerful and influential people will give push back on the nfl. until then nothing will change
the betting money is going to be so huge with legalized sports books in a lot of states, it's going to be impossible for players, refs, and coaches not to be influenced by the line and over/unders. You can already see shadows of coaches making decisions based on them.
The camera angle is not directly down the line and this angle prevents a valid determination of whether the players were offsides. the official making the call is directly on the line but on the near sidelines. At 51 seconds you can see him on the line with R on his back. He simply looks down the line and sees if anyone crosses before the kick. The shadows offsides comment is truly funny. great sense of humor.
Offsides is offsides. Game situations should NEVER dictate whether a call is made or not. A penalty in the 1st qtr is no different than one on the last play of the game.
Well, it was a petty call. If you think about being "offsides", when a player's helmet is lined up in the neutral zone on a regular play, then offsides is called. Semantics I suppose.
Can't argue that call. And while not as blatant as other YT hosts who do it, his 'background' music was kinda in the background. But still music during narration is never a good thing in a video.
I think the ref was confused by a shadow. They were long. That's the way the cookie crumbles to quote Forky. Used to be that way for every call. Take em and move on.
Why investigate? The penalty was a rekick, not automatic possession. So they rekicked and didn't get it. Do you think the referee called offsides the first and not the second because he knew who would get the ball each time?
Investigated? No. Retraining of EVERY Referee? Absolutely. Restrict their pay if their calls turn out to be BOGUS! Fine them Millions of Dollars if need be. Get their attention.
Not only won't they be investigated but the NCAA and the conference that employs these refs will defend and back them without question. Refs are becoming just as integral to the outcome of a game as the players and coaches.
Yea I can’t lie the guy up top looks very much offside, if they call offside in other situations based off of head/chest position (they do) then they can call it here. Good call move on
Games aren’t fixed. Refs are just bad at their job. The dude who called this is not a professional referee. His day job is probably as a substitute teacher or a mechanic or something that has nothing to do with football. The NCAA should pay to have permanent referee staffers who know the rules in and out to make calls like these less common.
Uhhh… if I’m the ref I call that too. Both guys at the top are past the line. And no, it doesn’t go by feet, it goes by where any part of their body is… they started early to try and get a good jump…
I understand your frustration but this isn't basketball where your foot has to be behind the 3 point arc. It does look like the heads we beyond the ball before it was kicked, they'd call the same thing if a defensive player lined up in the neutral zone with his head. In fact it gets called all the time!
If you have never seen a play like this, you need to check out the 2006 Outback Bowl between Iowa and Florida. There was an onside where they made this same call, and even the announcers were furious. To be fair, the officiating that game was abysmal throughout. The entire crew got suspended, and it is the reason that minor conference refs are not allowed to officiate power 5 bowl games anymore.
But even power 5 refs are bad. So the fact that power 5 has their OWN set of refs means......it's rigged!
First thing that came mind. That game was horribly officiated.
I saw this, and was very angry. TERRIBLE call. There was no way that the man was offsides.
@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 That's not at all what that means. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I remember that game well, as an Iowa fan. I have no doubts the refs were paid off by someone with a betting interest. There is actually a youtube video of that game and it is unbelievable how many bad calls there were, all in Florida's favor.
"We have investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing." -The NCAA, probably
I CAN'T CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYONE MISSED IT. THE SHADOWS WERE CLEARLY OFFSIDES 😂
This is why you make the big bucks. I never would have considered the shadow. 😂
Them amateurs need to learn to control their shadows like Peter Pan.
I don't think every game is rigged, but it seems obvious that some games are intentionally influenced.
That's what I think. These refs are told "looks, if there's a call you can make that will keep the game close in the 4th qtr and keep people watching...make the call."
"I don't think every game is rigged....YET"
We all know the NFL is, but the CFP is definitely rigged.
@@joeg5414 And to add more to that, "If you make those calls and WE (the people behind the scenes like the call), we will give you refs a bonus!"
Does anyone care about Arkansas north Illinois tho? Unless it’s bookies
@@thebigcnel Only during bowl season where people are aching to make it through, day by day, for either their NFL game or for the CFP. I watch everything I can. I do not have ESPN, but I watch any game that comes on ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox.
When I was an official, they said that the philosophy (ie, how "they" want the rule interpreted and called on the field) is that on "full" kicks, offside should only be called if the player was touching the ground beyond the line, but on "obvious onside situations", it should be officiated as a "plane", and any part of the kicking team that breaks the line should be considered offside. At the same time, calling this just because a finger or facemask is over the line would fall into the "don't be too good" category. I think most supervisors would expect to see a head, torso, or leg obviously over the line before giving a "good call" rating on this. At the same time, replay can't "fix" a call this close.
if this is the case for "obvious onside situations" then the refs should tell the kicking team what they are looking for and will call it offsides when they see it. Otherwise, the kicking team would have no idea that the refs are arbitrarily judging this kickoff differently than all the other kickoffs that happened in that game.
@@HorrorKidd88The refs are always looking for illegal actions. The players know that. If a player doesn't know the rules of the game he plays, that's on him and his team for not making sure their players know the rules.
@@dannycarlow8204 Im responding to the OP that said in "obvious onsides situations" offsides is called differently (plane) than a typical kickoffs (touching the ground over the LoS)
@@HorrorKidd88 It was typical to inform the kicking team players to "stay onside" during onside kick situations. This difference in philosophy was never a secret, was among a number of items reviewed with coaches during their offseason clinics and often even mentioned in pre-game meetings.
@@HorrorKidd88 Yes, I know.
That is the logic they use.
There is a line. Do not cross it before the kick. They did, got a penalty.
On long kicks they let it go because the ball flies 60 yards. Onside kicks, nope. They were over the line.
What if the refs let this go? Other team gets screwed by offside the refs did not bother to call? That would be bogus.
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We have legalized gambling in football. You can now gamble on foot ball via your phone. Expect corruption, bad calls, no calls, weird outcomes, shaving points, unexplained injuries....all that comes with fixing the outcome of games.
I think the "you can't call that in this situation" is such a bad take. That's just not how penalties work. The only thing to argue about here is whether or not there was actually an offsides.
Agreed if it's alegit penalty you call the damn penalty. Screw all that in this situation nonsense if the player screwed up thats his problem and he needs to learn from it and do better. If the rule was that no part including the helmet can't be across the los or it's a penalty and if that dudes helmet was across. Then by god you call the penalty their is no reason to screw the other team over just because you might like this team more. Call it by the book everytime and i have no issues with the way a game turns out win or lose.
Not an athlete? This is a key moment. You do not call this penalty based on 4 cm, or even 4 inches. Tickytacky as hell.
I'm guessing by "situation" in this case he's just referring to the wishy-washyness of it and the officials "getting in the way of football". If offsides were consistently called for helmets being over the line then I would agree with the call. However if that were the case then I would've also seen 20+ defensive offsides penalties called in a single game recently.
The issue is they dont call it in other situations. Not a rules issues. An enforcement issues. Selective enforcement is the issue. If you dont call offsides so strict on a long kickoff you shouldnt on onsides. Or vice versa. Its the same rule.
It was offsides. It was the correct call. You people want to turn this into the joke that is the NBA where they call fouls or don’t call fouls based on who has the ball.
The real problem I see is that they don't call that offsides every time. It's not just your toes, your hands and head can't be over the line. It was offside. The real question is why does it not get called 90% of the time.
Making that call in real time can’t be easy
Agreed, and the announcers even encourage selective officiating by acrimoniously saying a fingernail offside shouldn't count. Hence leading to nutters like me thinking games are rigged.
It's because of how their trained. Also perfect example of even if it's the right call it's the wrong call because it's almost never called unless it's blatant. Also a very bad look for a bowl game the NCAA can't be happy about this one.
Refs are pinpoint on the rule - on onside kicks. Longer kicks you can be on top of the line and they let it go.
Agree. Offsides is offsides, regardless of what part of the body or what time if the game.
You don't a THING about football then. There is 2 Refs on the line to kick from. Their ONLY JOB is to WATCH the football and if they see ANY kick team cover that ball before it is kicked, it is OFF SIDES
Woah, settle down. This is a good call. There is clearly a head breaking the plane of the 35 yard line. On an "onside" situation that is going to get a flag 9 times out of 10.
A penalty is a penalty. ALL penalties should be called ALL the time.
During every pass play, there is a O-lineman holding.....should be called everytime, or how do you know you can't do that.
I was watching it live and my first thought was “this ref has money on this”. I’m at the point where we should just replace all refs with ai.
It's the 2020s though, so any change that really would be for the better will always go ignored.
Looking at that still, it looks like it was one of the top 2 players who were called. In an onside kick situation, officials at all levels are taught to be ultra strict when it comes to offside as every extra inch can make all the difference. This is opposed to a normal long kickoff when an extra inch won't make any difference and offside will only be called when a player is blatantly beyond the line when the ball is kicked.
So no, the officials should NOT be investigated as this appears to be a correct call
He is training to be an chiefs referee
In the chiefs game half of the dudes body was offsides 😂 you’re comparing apples to oranges
Chiefs got robbed too
@@thecolorblack4778 I'm that the chiefs referee are bad like the referee in that game
@@jrey6186 I was referring to GB game on no call PI
Bro Toney was so clearly offsides
The kicking team jumped the gun. Get over it.
There's no apostrophe in the word "referees". An apostrophe is used for a possessive condition, not plurality.
😂 the Arkansas State player jumped right in front of the side judge before the kicker made contact with the football. If the side judge can't see the kicker make contact with the football, because another player's body is obstructing his view, that means the obstructing player is offsides. No one on the kickoff team can move passed the line before the kicker makes contact. It's a close play, but you can literally see the player obstruct the refs view of the ball before the kicker's foot hits it. Both Arkansas State players are head and shoulders over the line before the ball is kicked.
I have no investment in either team whatsoever, but while watching the game I could see how it would be called off sides. The top 2 players had their heads over the line and its not hard to see. When the game comes down to a 10 yard onside kick, you simply cannot make that mistake. Definately would not put this on "bad officiating". Just strict.
Correct. The second player in was considerably offside at the time of the kick. His toe is at or behind the restraining line and he is leaned well forward. Easy and correct call.
Um I'm not sure what play you watched but no part of any of the players was past the line except the kicker. Straight up bad call.
You can literally see it in the video. The only reason its not super clear is because the camera is on the far left side of the field. If it was straight down the kicking line you would it would be even more clear
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@nickknight9283 nope no one was offsides I watched myself bad call. Not to mention that is never called anyway unless it is blatant either way it is a bad call.
Just remember that each painted stripe between the goal lines is 4" wide centered on the actual yard line. So you get half of that stripe before you're offside.
The angle of the camera did not show the person offsides but the 2nd player from the top was offsides if you look at the camera from a straight on camera. And all offsides should be called regardless of how big of game it is. Your showing a biased angle is not showing the truth.
Totally offsides by the rule book. I’m amazed at the number of people that every game want to throw away the rule book and let stuff go. You need to realize where officials line up and the reason why the stand where they do.
This was offsides… anyone disagreeing doesn’t know football 😂
what player was offside?
Insanely ironic comment
@@bussin_0 The second man from the sideline on the far side of the field. Clear as day, even with a terrible camera angle.
Looks like an offsides to me. Blame the kickoff team for putting the play in the hands of the officials to call. Don’t blame the officials. That’s just cry baby stuff right there.
To me, it was borderline off sides, a penalty that the refs very easily could not have called.
A Buffalo radio station host said one time that there's a penalty on almost every play.
However, if every penalty was flagged, we would have five hour long football games.
The referee's what must get investigated? Which thing of the referee must get investigated?
Pretty straight forward. Go over the last 1000 kickoffs. How many had a head over the line and were called off sides? How many not called? Is the enforcment fair?
In real time I thought it was offsides.
Remember that one game where people started throwing shit on the field? Kinda surprised that didn’t happen here
If we assume that the helmet was over the line before the ball was kicked then the kicking team deserved a penalty. If not then no penalty. But the rule doesn’t (or shouldn’t) have some provision that the degree to which a player is over the line is dependent on the game status or consequence of the penalty. Why give this flexibility in interpretation to the kicking team? If they broke the rule they deserve to suffer the consequences. It’s a shame for them that they may have only been a very slight bit offside but there isn’t an exception for “just a little bit “. The question is if he was offside or not. If he was a bit offside there is no question as to the proper course of action.
Do you watch football? There are plenty of penalties that get passed up especially in the NFL, in fact the NFL has actually made statements in the past saying they care more about the entertainment of the sport than anything else. Refs will many times overlook small penalties like the O-line holding or some unnecessary roughness as long as it's not too bad. The guy was saying this shouldn't have been a call because it was high stakes, late in the game, and there was barely, if any, call to be made. Most refs, especially in the NFL, would absolutely have let this go for the sake of the game and due to it being such a precarious call
The rule states that if the kicker's foot is over the line before he kicks the ball that is off side.
Did everybody miss this...the kicker is offside.....rules are rules...it's on the kicker
No. The kicker is allowed to have a foot beyond the line. It wasn't allowed until soccer style kicking came into the game, and the rule was modified for their convenience.
We are in this really weird time period where technology can show us most mistakes but isnt good enough yet to fix it
It was the right call.
It's hard to tell on that angle, but if those two guys at the top had their helmets beyond the restraining line, then this would've been the correct call. Also, that is how officials are trained to call offside (no "s") in an onside kick situation.
Splitting hairs? Maybe. Incorrect call? Possibly, it's hard to tell. Rigged? 😂
Then why aren’t they calling it every kickoff?…..
@irgilligan Standards are different for onside kick versus kicking deep. Being past the line, even a little bit, on an onside kick gives the kicking team more of an unfair advantage than it would if the ball was kicked deep.
Also, officials tend to be more strict on less frequent plays that would result in changes of possession (e.g. onside kicks, fake punts, etc.). You generally have more perfectly execute on those types of plays.
@@MikeQuinn71 Yes, you can be right if you simply invent rules to argue. Please go show in the rulebook your point. We won't wait, because it's not there....
You're just being silly. First, it doesn't matter at all who ended up with the ball because the flag was thrown before the receiving player even touched the ball. Second, the rule is not, "no player should be lined up ahead of the ball before the ball is kicked," it's "no player should be ahead of the ball." And hey, there are plenty of offsides that are called because a player's HEAD simply moves, so I don't have a problem with them interpreting the rule to include a player's head being part of the player (you know, because it is).
This is the result of gambling.
Seems like there's been an unusually high number of calls ranging from ticky-tack to just plain horrendous this season.
In this context, omit the apostrophe in your headline. It's merely plural, not possessive.
Sports betting rigging another outcome.
Money talks. Right ref?
Absolute garbage ref making the game about himself. I hope he loses his job and mends his ways.
This referee must love Patrick M alot 😂
Well one might argue that the goal line is 2 dimensional too. Break it with the ball and it's a TD, why that wouldn't apply to the line when kicking is concerned?
The goal line is painted from its edge, so the entire stripe is in the end zone. The yard lines between the goal lines are painted so as to be centered on the actual yard line. So, for instance, the 40 yard line is painted from 39 yards and 34 inches to 40 yards and 2 inches from the goal line.
@@goodmaro interesting nitpick. Still, their bodies are over that central line as well so your point is moot.
That would be spelled "referees." Not referee's. Referees don't care who wins and they should just enforce the rules per the book. They should not be allowed to make a judgement as to whether it's just a little bit offsides, or a lot offsides. Offsides is offsides. If the rule book says no part of the body can be across the line, then that's the rule. Enforce it or re-write the rules.
Soccer uses the VAR to determine offsides. Sometimes it’s a matter of a shoulder or a hand being over the “line”. Gets pretty ticky tacky.
Yeah, in soccer a shoulder, foot, knee, toe, hand, finger, or whatever is considered to be offside by VAR. Not sure if it's like that in football (American) or if the foot has to be on or over the line when the ball is kicked off. Too bad they couldn't do a quick booth review of this kickoff and then say no flag for offsides.
Sorry, but if he was actually offsides, that's all they need to justify making the call. That's 100% on the player.
It's not that serious bro. You're getting mad over a meaningless bowl game with two 6-6 teams.
And not only that, the call was 1000% correct, too.
You can not make any determination from that camera angle . The official was right there looking down the line. It is comical to listen to TV people and others that are totally clueless make up nonsense in their head and get all indignant.
So how far offsides are they allowed to be before you call offsides? Which other rules do you decide whether or not to enforce based on the phase of the game? You’re going to “investigate” the referee for daring to call offsides when a player is offsides because it was a close game?
There's a word called consistency and that is not a call that is consistently made. Bad precedent, bad call
Exact same thing happened to Idaho this year vs Montana. Successful onside kick called back when nobody's feet were over the line.
Feet are irrelevant to the offside rule.
The actual kicker ran to the right side, overloading that side with 6 players. 4 on the left and then the new kicker. Good call.
Keep in mind the angle of the camera. I bet they wouldn’t have even grazed the line if viewed straight on
What were the betting lines for that game. Should tell you all you need to know.
So what you're saying is you want to try and ruin that referees career because he made a correct call you don't agree with it. Don't call for people's heads just keep on doing what you were doing before.
Hey man I see in your header you’re at University of Charlotte. I played there 2018-2020. Is that where you’re at??
I was there in 2020, they brought me in and I wasn’t able to play due to eligibility issues but I was a punter there with Connor
@@IsaacPunts BRO! I remember you 😂 I remember you had a freaking cannon for a leg and that they brought you in. I was a TE I’m Moss!
@@GartB no way man! Small world lmao well here we are now. Boy how times have changed
@@IsaacPunts Glad to see you killing it man. Keep it up bro!
I might be taking crazy pills but the kicker literally crossed the line before he kicked the ball!
UNC vs Clemson in the ACC championship game a couple years ago was worse
Yeah 2015.
You have to wonder after the Dallas-Detroit game whether the NFL watches videos like this and thinks that this ref would be a great call up for their league...
You're wrong Isaac. The kicker was offsides. Look where he is positioned when the ball is kicked. He kicks the ball with his whole body across the line when he makes contact with the ball. He got too cute.
Kicker is allowed to be offsides by rule.
@RoyalMela not his kicking foot.
@@chethammerYou need to re-read the NCAA rulebook.
So who ended up with the ball? Did they have to kick again? WTF finish the video.
Surely the receiving team would've accepted the penalty, because the result of the play would've given the ball to the kicking team. What the result of the repeated kickoff was, I don't know.
Referees should be suspended and fined for bad calls.
, the kicker was offsides, his plant foot was in front of the ball.
That's allowed.
Guy was off sides
Iowa got screwed by the same call a couple times now... a few years ago.... bowl game against Florida was really bad. Chad Greenway was called offsides and reply showed he had not crossed the line at all. It was a terrible call. Conference officials after the game said it was a mistake... great, that really helps. The poor officiating cost Iowa that game
looks like the kicker steps offsides real close though
games arent totally rigged but there are a lot of calls that influence the game for certain people to help win or to make teams have a tie to go into overtime.
once the right people lose a lot of money on betting then those powerful and influential people will give push back on the nfl. until then nothing will change
the betting money is going to be so huge with legalized sports books in a lot of states, it's going to be impossible for players, refs, and coaches not to be influenced by the line and over/unders. You can already see shadows of coaches making decisions based on them.
2006 OU vs Oregon bowl game. OU recovered onside attempt and refs overturned when it was a clear recovery.
Not only does that happen in college games but also in the NFL. Check out the Miami, Dallas game. And it doesn't end there
Idk, good call imo. That should always be called. Well over the line. Not just a little
The camera angle is not directly down the line and this angle prevents a valid determination of whether the players were offsides. the official making the call is directly on the line but on the near sidelines. At 51 seconds you can see him on the line with R on his back. He simply looks down the line and sees if anyone crosses before the kick. The shadows offsides comment is truly funny. great sense of humor.
Offsides is offsides. Game situations should NEVER dictate whether a call is made or not. A penalty in the 1st qtr is no different than one on the last play of the game.
Enjoy the wule book like you pronounced it. I’d get a 9-5 job if I was you
Offsides is Offsides. You want heads to roll!!! No one cares what you want.
Well, it was a petty call. If you think about being "offsides", when a player's helmet is lined up in the neutral zone on a regular play, then offsides is called. Semantics I suppose.
Offsides are offsides, regular play or onside kick. Same rules. Do not line up on neutral zone.
Must've been SEC officials.
The only thing worse than this call was the guy speaking during this video 🤣
Can't argue that call. And while not as blatant as other YT hosts who do it, his 'background' music was kinda in the background. But still music during narration is never a good thing in a video.
Brad Allen: Hold my Beer
His shadow was over the line
I think the ref was confused by a shadow. They were long. That's the way the cookie crumbles to quote Forky. Used to be that way for every call. Take em and move on.
Not sure but a lot of referees are Lawyers, so that should explain it!
As a Saints fan, I understand.
Possible answer:
"Too much money involved"
Why investigate? The penalty was a rekick, not automatic possession. So they rekicked and didn't get it. Do you think the referee called offsides the first and not the second because he knew who would get the ball each time?
Refs had money on Northern Illinois for sure.
What was the spread?
Why did you insert an apostrophe in "referees"?
Investigated? No. Retraining of EVERY Referee? Absolutely.
Restrict their pay if their calls turn out to be BOGUS! Fine them Millions of Dollars if need be. Get their attention.
Not only won't they be investigated but the NCAA and the conference that employs these refs will defend and back them without question. Refs are becoming just as integral to the outcome of a game as the players and coaches.
Games are decided by officals before the opening kickoff
Yea I can’t lie the guy up top looks very much offside, if they call offside in other situations based off of head/chest position (they do) then they can call it here. Good call move on
The official on the sideline looks pretty intense, he has a better angle at the play. It was close, but I suspect the official was correct.
Call for a Congressional Probe
The camera angle is misleading. That angle would not show an offsides unless it was way offsides.
Their shadows were clearly over the line
You need to relax
Games aren’t fixed. Refs are just bad at their job. The dude who called this is not a professional referee. His day job is probably as a substitute teacher or a mechanic or something that has nothing to do with football. The NCAA should pay to have permanent referee staffers who know the rules in and out to make calls like these less common.
Uhhh… if I’m the ref I call that too. Both guys at the top are past the line. And no, it doesn’t go by feet, it goes by where any part of their body is… they started early to try and get a good jump…
I understand your frustration but this isn't basketball where your foot has to be behind the 3 point arc. It does look like the heads we beyond the ball before it was kicked, they'd call the same thing if a defensive player lined up in the neutral zone with his head. In fact it gets called all the time!
Check the UNC Clemson ACC championship game.
Referees. No apostrophe.