Pastor Iren, Damina: Heretic for Saying This?
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- There's a recent discussion on Christian X (formerly Twitter) concerning baptism. While some believe baptism involves immersion, many do not identify baptism with water. Some say baptism means salvation, while others don't believe that baptism saves. Some view baptism as a symbol and even consider it idolatry.
This conversation started from an X Space, a live audio conversation on the microblogging platform, on the topic of the non-necessity of the sacraments (baptism and communion). Many men of God from Nigeria contributed to the discussion, including Apostle Emmanuel Iren. There's been a lot of debate and backlash. Let us listen to key highlights from the X Space.
The host of that discussion cited that misleading teaching on baptism started from Dr. Abel Damina. Let us watch Pastor Abel Damina's reaction to such a point of view in a previous sermon and also a message on baptism by Apostle Iren that will fully explain what he meant in his contribution to that interaction.
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We thank God for Pastor Emmanuel Iren. 🙏
Water baptism does not save us rather it is when you believe that you are saved, I don't know why people are getting confused about it, water baptism is the outward expression of what has already happened inwardly, but although there's nothing wrong if you baptize with water and there's nothing wrong if you don't baptize with water either bcos the day you accept Christ that day you have been baptized with Christ
@@Kowewilliams keep playing... you are blind to the scriptures. Ask God to open your eyes
Praise God the truth is manifest souls are free from religious rubbish
We can now freely serve God
Thank you Jesus
Turning the word of God upside down and misinterpreting verses is easy. Let them study the Sacred scripture prayerfully. On John Baptizing during Jesus' public ministry and Christ Jesus himself baptizing with water as did his disciples in later Acts of the Apostles, he should study John 3 whole and entire
He should extend that study to chapter 4 of the same book of John. Some argued that Jesus didn't baptise but his disciples did and I asked them...was it possible for the disciples to have taken the task upon themselves without being authorised? If Jesus didn't intend for water baptism to be a part of the Apostles teachings and acts, would he not have told them? If the men who lived, slept and walked with Jesus continued the ordinances, who are the mere mortals that suddenly woke up to claim that baptism is unnecessary? Even Apostle Paul was baptised by immersion and he himself baptised but a few...yet Nigerian preachers and believers have the effontery to disparage the instructions of Jesus.
Jesus speaking in John 3:3 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" and John 3:5 "KJV:Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Being born of water is water baptism and being born of the spirit is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says without the 2 a person cannot enter the kingdom of God.
In vs 3, being born again makes one SEE the kingdom of God whereas in vs 5, water baptism and Holy Ghost baptism helps one ENTER the kingdom of God.
Prayerfully study the Bible for yourself, God is not an author of confusion.
False doctrines, everywhere
pls read the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch pointing to the relevance of batism.
Act 8:26-40
Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27 And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”
34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”[b] 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.
Misquoted 1 Corinthians 14 ....
Paul actually mentioned that he batised at least 4 people in that scripture and it was unfair to leave that out and take the part where Paul said hes happy he batized no one.... Even left out the "but" following 😂
Christains simply don't read the bible.
Please can you bring the scripture where paul said he baptized 4
U can't deny the thief on the Cross though...
For me whether u Baptise with water or not scripture is clear on Salvation and receipt of the spirit it's by faith. If u like enter water and don't believe it's just a shower but u can be saved without baptism and this is evident atleast with Cornelius. When John the Baptist disciples met Paul and he asked what baptism they were baptized into and when they received the spirit. He didn't rebaptise them as the 1st was done by John.
@@yungabenenwiefontechoro7087 actually 1 Cor 1:15 states that Paul baptised a household, i don't know how he came about the number..
But @obidikechukwuemeka281 forgot that vs 17 also said, Christ didn't send him to conduct water baptism..
Thanks for sharing the truth
May God help His church 🙏
Q. Was Apostle Paul baptized?
A. Yes
Q. Did Apostle Paul baptize anyone
A. Yes
Here is 1 Corinthians 1:14-16: "I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides these, I do not know that I baptized anyone else." (NKJV)
Acts 9:13-16 states:
13 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
14 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord-Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here-has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
15 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
16 Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
People should be careful how they inteprete scriptures.
@@Oziegbe-m7f answer to your question is right b4 your eye...yes Paul baptised..
Members of the Church too, will not read their bible... 😢😢
Pastor Irene you are wrong in this area. Philip Baptised the Ethiopia eunuch in the water in Acts 8.
1 Corinthians 1:14. Paul did not Baptised any one, but Crispus and Gaius did.
You can read the Bible again to get a better understanding.
Only those who are saved (believed and accepted Jesus as Lord and saviour) already should be baptized not the other way round. Acts 2:41
It is biblically wrong to baptize a sinner hoping thereafter that the person would be saved.
The pastor who misquoted St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:14 is unbelievable. You don't pick sentences from passages and just jump to conclusions.
1 Corinthians 1 : 14 says:
I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Ga'ius;
He didn't in any way mean that they were not a baptized people. Hmmmm
The thief on the cross received baptism by desire.
There's false knowledge everywhere!
Thank you and remain blessed
Baptism by desire ke 😧...
Read to verse 17
what happened to verse 17?
i hope you know it's heretic to leave out the very next verse because it shook your conviction or doesn't solidify your claim?
it is part of that chapter, you should take all in and not cherry pick to suit your agenda.
Act 19:1-6 already corroborate Paul's stance on baptism, he didn't condemn it, he only offered a better baptism
I dey with u... so arrogant preachers.... 1peter 3:21
Also his arguement about Paul saying he thank God he did not baptize any of them. The division in church according to 1Cor. 3 actually made us to see the possible reason Paul coukd have made that statement. He clearly was actually exonorating himself from the division.
Leave falsehood,Paul never said God never sent him to baptize because he was avoiding argument or division,Paul said God did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel so the cross of Christ will not be in vain and he did not say God did not send him to baptize in Corinthians,but God never sent him to baptize that is not limited to Corinthians or because of situation but God never sent him to baptize
@@benjamineshiett7543
I am sorry sir, can I ask the problem with the Church @ Corinth? Let's discuss
Please Mr. preacher, you need to study the Bible more. Water Baptism does not stop after John, but it continues with Peter: Paul etc. Ready the Acts of Apostle to see those that did the water baptism. Pastor humble yourself and correct that your teaching Error.
No Christian should ever make a Bible verse fight against another. That's what is happening here. Context is king! Sadly, the argument is even uncalled for.
Oga Jesus baptized people and John didn't stop baptising after baptising Jesus(.
John 3:26).what is all this confusion all about.believers need to be careful and watchful.its obvious this confusion can come from anybody.
You are wrong here Pastor, water baptism still continue even till today if you believe in the whole Gospel, go to God in Prayers and also ask the Fathers of the faith, you will be informed
1 Peter 3:21, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Water Baptism doesn't give you eternal life or save you from hell. Jesus' death and resurrection does. Water baptism saves your conscience. It reminds you of whom you've believed in- our Lord Jesus who has saved you through His death and resurrection.
I think water baptism is one armour of God that can function as a "helmet of salvation" that guards your conscience.
It doesn't mean, if you don't do water baptism you won't be saved. Just like tongue speaking. Those who don't believe in tongue speaking but believe that Jesus Christ died and resurrected for them and believe that their sins are forgiven will still have eternal life. So is water baptism. Tongue speaking and water baptism are important armour of the Christian faith. Every believer needs them. But if you don't believe in them and you've believed in Christ finished work, you are saved.
So please, water baptism is not a doctrine that should be abolished. If you have the opportunity just do it in faith.
Thank you.
Please, can you tell me the name of the @ that hosted the space so I can listen to it ?
@@Oregreatness @Mohsule_
Apst. Iren used the beginning of a verse and left the other. His explanation isn't apt. I understand what he's trying to say but to not complete that text shows he has issue with what Paul later said
No No No Iren
I just watched this again.
If I’m baptized in water and I don’t have the opportunity to be baptized in the spirit before i die , will I make heaven?
Also if I’m baptized in the Holy Spirit and don’t have the opportunity to be water baptized, will I make heaven?
Or must I be baptized in both before I make heaven?
@@pgwins1 if u are not baptised in water and spirit, you are not going to heaven. Tell me any man who got saved without baptism in the scriptures.
@@pgwins1 Jesus charged his disciples to wait...for the promise of the father... the promise of the Holy spirit. So there waiting wasn't just seating and gisting but rather in one accord supplicating vs Acts 1:4, 14 so u tarry for the Holy Ghost like u desire food and water for your body. We had instance in records in the book of Acts 10 where Apostle Peter preaching in the house of Cornelius, and all them received the gift of Holy Ghost . For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answerd Peter, can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptised, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptised in the name of the Lord.
Peter who heard Jesus life baptized. Philip who heard Jesus without Greek and Hebrew interpretations baptized but ofcourse our generation 2000 years away know better. Paul said I didn't baptise save a few.. why did he baptize the few1Co 1:14-16 KJV 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
Why did he baptize
It is content creators like you that are giving Abel Damina un necessary publicity. Baptism may not means salvation is a doctrine endorsed it, by allowing Himself to under go baptism and the apostles and early church fathers. Instead of preaching salvation people are selling their faulted understanding as doctrine of the church. Half truth is no truth .
Pastor Damina and Pastor Iren are right 😂
YEs
Thank you very much jare
Some people ehn 🤣
Tm
There are very correct
Be capping nonsense... hell dey wait u... Sea with your bible n study... to show their self approff..
Before you will agree with someone points, let us compare our views with the scriptures
Was the Ethiopian enuch not baptised what he is saying
John 3:11 this is John the Baptise himself debunking water bapticism that it ends with him.. Go and deal with that.
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with (the Holy Spirit and fire) not with Water. Dr Abel Damina is 101% right! Get out of your religious minds and get Born again.
Nope.
We need to study the bible like a student who wants to practically follow the apostles.
You need to know that before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ the price for salvation has not been paid. We become saved when Jesus paid the price with his life.
Now how did the disciples of Jesus Christ preach?
The book of acts is the go to for answers. They preach believe, repent, be baptised in water and receive the holy spirit. If it wasn't important they wouldn't have baptized 3000 people in acts 2. So baptism is a core part of our new life in Christ.
Just take it as a natural birth:
When a child is born these hings are usually done:
First is the cutting of the umbilical cord - repentance
Bathing of the baby- baptism
The baby cries out after inhaling air- reception of the holy spirit with evidence of tongues or languages.
So water baptism is as important as the three other things. Baptism means a physical cleansing with spiritual effects.
This should not be coming from Iren
Dey play... Just study your bible a little better and unbiasedly, and see how you'd say more than he's mildly saying... When falsehood becomes an institution, the truth when said looks like rebellion. The bible is right and Pst. Iren echoed it rightly...
@emmanuelidam3548 okay, a simple study of the early church will tell you that water baptism cannot be overemphasised
@@oluwafemianointing1494 why don't you start the study from earlier that John the baptist precisely, to Jesus, then the early church and then beyond... But then, be sincere careful enough to note in that study that the word BAPTISM is NOT synonymous to WATER--- context is king!
When scripture in Mattews 24'24 said these false teachers shall come and will deceive even the elect, I taught i will not see it in my time, But it's happening, Damina and He's false teaching's friends are among them, even when something is writing clearly in the scripture, yet they change the truth of God to a lie. Please People read your scripture, run for your lives, Hell is eternity no escape,
That scripture you cited talked of "great signs and wonders" and not teaching on baptism. The only problem some of us have is that we cannot use scriptures to refute Dr Damina. In other words he is surely saying the truth.
@@LawrenceTatanah stop acting foolish.. defending a lie... we all can't be stupid like this false teachers...
God blessmu jare...
You need understanding to be able to interpret the bible, water baptism doesn't save you rather you are saved when you believe, water baptism only expresses your believe
@@Kowewilliams Mark 16:16... , Jesus said he that believeth and is baptised shall be saved... 1PETER 3:20, 21.. BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US... POINT TO WHICH OF THE LORDS APOSTLE WHO DID NOT OBEY THIS COMMAND CROM THE LORD? IF NONE THEN YOU DONT FIGHT THE SCRIPTURES..
1 Peter 3: 20-21, clearly state baptism doth also now save us... be careful of who u listen to... many false teachers..do this guys even seat to study their scriptures before mounting their pulpit.. Jesus did baptised his apostles... and he gave them all to baptise people in the name of the Lord Jesus... the problem with this so called preachers is, they don't harmonise scriptures. God makes a preacher not theologians
Jesus baptised His apostles?
@@peterugbenyor1547the bible clearly state that in John 3:21-22, John 4:1-2, but ironically if the disciplines could baptised people while Jesus was with them at that time, then its means they too must have been baptised my Jesus... ...
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