Rapid hit is gonna be MASSIVE. Especially with enhanced stuff. Honestly, on a 120 enhanced precision instrument is basically useless. Doesn't ramp up faster, won't change ttk, no extra stats. People clown rapid hit on 140s, but on 120s I feel like it is borderline best in slot if not straight up the best in slot. Other than the fire rate, the worst stats on 120s are stability and reload. Getting to add both with one perk for doing literally what you should be already, which is hitting shots, is straight up games changing for aggressives. Once I knew that was going to be on the table for the reprisal of Something New, I completely lost interest in Crimils. Cause while the model looks cooler imo, it handles like drinking concrete through a paper straw. Also, it isn't lost on me that with the compass rose coming back with enhanced opening shot and enhanced threat detector, people are legit going to be running two solstice weapons in their kinetic and energy slots. Like, not since the release of grasp do I feel like one activity would reward you with a high end PvP primary and secondary. Hopefully they'll drop with double perk drops so we can farm them easier, too
I also find the new arc super the most annoying super, both to use and to be used on. Its projectile is surprisingly big and it feels like it gets caught on random geometry more than tether.
One nice (but niche) thing with this handcannon is the origin trait! Skulking Wolf is actually kinda cool, giving you enhanced radar and taking you off ENEMY'S radar if you get a kill with it at low HP. You can see it proc pretty often in this video by checking Wallah's radar; when the perk is up you can see the enhanced radar with the smaller directional indicators. It's certainly not the strongest origin trait in the game, but definitely not the weakest! Going off radar is really powerful if you have the presence of mind to realize you've activated it, and being at low HP is often the time when you don't want people to know where you are. You can definitely surprise people trying to third party a gunfight you've just won by running up on them while they have no clue you're there.
If you time it right you can throw a suppressor made at the floor and when the super lands it'll take them out, I did it once successfully, was just trying to kill him, but I survived
i got mine enhanced with flutted, accurized, stability master, moving target and precision instrument and it feels quite nice. slightly jarring experience compared to the buttery smooth igneous but it’s not bad, i enjoy this gun a lot
I have to say something that I discovered using a roll of this with Zen Moment+Slideways: That perk combo is absolutely insane. You need to try it. Its my favorite now on a 120. And you will see exactly what I mean if you get this roll. They compliment each other perfectly.
i cant handle anything other than a 140 because its either too slow for me or too fast and i end up timing my shots wrong. but then luna's was brought back and now i never want to take it off... A genuine skill issue...
Idk, with iron grip its barely any better than a new god rolled Crimil's stat wise and it's definitely not any better than Igneous. Although that's in the energy slot. It's only when you factor in slideshot that Steady Hand is better, and that's only active for one shot.
@@seb5542 if steady hand came back it would've came back with new perks like crimils and PI would be in it since the game now knows that 120s need that perk after the HC changes also slideshot is the best hand canon perk it doesn't have a down time like opening shot or slideways and it keeps the buff while your sliding so u can get all 3 shots with the buff while using a 140 and probably 2 with a 120 and it would've made steady hands a contender to iggy since slideshot and PI are an insane combo especially for a 120
@@abdalrhman7998 you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how slideshot works. It grants 20 range and 20 stability on the next shot within 2.5 seconds after activation. It only affects the first shot after activation, none of the following shots are affected unless you reactivate it. Also the reason why steady hand is so good is because of iron grip and slideshot *in combination* . Take away one of those perks and it's then just a very average 120 hand cannon. It wouldn't compete with Igneous without those two perks. Yes PI gives forgiveness if you can't land crits which is appealing on this archetype. But you're then giving up the whole reason why you'd use that particular gun in the first place. You only use it for that stat package provided to you by those two perks. Because the base stats are very mediocre without iron grip and don't stand out at all. The 3rd column could be swapped out for zen or quickdraw, but range is more important to a lot of people so slideshot is the most popular pick. Slideshot didn't become more popular because of hand cannon changes, it was because of the zoom changes that it rose in popularity and effectiveness.
Actually love this hand cannon. I have trouble with many hand cannons cuz it’s hard for me to shoot n fire and get headshots but this thing I can destroy people with and I got moving target zen moment which really makes the gun stick and less flinch and it’s definitely a hand cannon I’ll be using often. I also would like to get a good slideways or moving target precision instrument roll
@@Zevox144 u just need to somehow get the 2 shots lmao even without getting flinched its hard but with even a small flinch u wont get any headshot and 120s ttk isn't what makes them good even 180s have the same ttk as 120s with more forgiveness but their nowhere the level of 120s
My first impressions of this thing is that it is amazing. The obvious comparisons are going to be Igneous Hammer and Steady Hand, which on the surface it doesn't come close to competing with Iggy's insane stats and Steady Hand's elite slideshot + iron grip combo. However, slideways helps this gun a ton, and especially when enhanced, actually brings this thing pretty in line with Iggy, and enhanced Precision Instrument is also nice, letting you 2h1b more resiliences if you don't hit a crit as your last shot. Overall, sure, a god roll adept Igenous Hammer is going to still be slightly better than a god roll Crimil's Dagger, but Crimil's is certainly a close second. The real question is when will we get energy slot specials that are equally as strong as the likes of Conditinal Finality, Someday, or snipers like Eye of Sol and Defiance of Yasmin, to complement kinetic slot primaries like Crimil's Dagger.
@@jonathancotter7429 Duality is very strong, but it's not "always-100-range-and-100-handling" strong like Someday. Also, I think its slug shotgun mode is still bugged to have much shorter damage fall-off than it's supposed to. In terms of pure slug performance, I'd also take Chaperone or even Heritage over Duality for their better aim assist and range (thus accuracy). You're right, it probably is more consistent than Conditional, but Conditional Finality has the added utility of being an anti-super weapon with its freeze and ignition.
@beki7408 I agree someday is easily craftable. I actually use slugs more then pellet, except duality I hip fire a ton. I crafted my heritage with hip-fire and offhand and it has about 3000 crucible kills. chap is goated but wiffs sometimes on the first shot, which I hate and conditional wiffs alot for me. cloudstrike is sick and so is beloved, if you're into that.
Did bungo finally unlock your heavy slot so you can use something other than sword!? BLESS BUNGO :P Also that fuckin' movement at ua-cam.com/video/-1FPleV07a8/v-deo.html was unreal.
Gun feels like trash to me. Would never use it competitively over igneous or steady hand but alright to mess around. Claws of the wolf is sweet though and in energy slot to pair with conditional.
They did say it will be coming back. They mentioned it when they talked about the changes to crimil's and something new, but they said it would be later down the road for steady hand. They didn't say when exactly. I don't think it will make this episode's IB.
I would go moving target personally. Shame they did not do anything interesting with this gun. Think it would’ve been a good candidate to do somethin weird like give it tap the trigger lol
It has got Zen Moment which is very unique for a 120. Not many have them. And the ones that do were sunset and have really bad stats. Or they just have bad stats. Combined action is the most recent, and that has awful stats. Crimil's Dagger is somewhat in the same ballpark as Igneous at least.
I usually don't care for arguments for weapon supremacy in certain archetypes, but with 120's Igneous Hammer is such an absurd outlier for both stats and perks that i really feel bungie needs to address the discrepancy there. It really just feels like i shouldn't use any other 120 except Igneous.
I'm going to be farming for that exact roll but with zen moment, I've played around with one with zen and it does wonders for this gun. And claws of the wolf looks to be a very good rapid fire pulse too with Zen and headseeker.
Small bore/projection fuse/under pressure/HIR/Charge Time MW. I could get a bit more range without really losing anything but this one in particular is simply a perfect recreation of the old one i used before it was craftable since its one of my most used guns. Back then, HIR would offset the dmg loss from the charge rate MW so i could still 1 burst all resils, honestly no idea if thats still a thing since the health changes
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Adagio is funny cause it'll lower your TTK to .60s on targets at/below T9 resilience but increase it to 1.20s if they have T10
So its a trade off to fuck hunters but also getting fucked by titans.
@@Abar31I’m curious why you think 115+115=231
@@Mori_AU pretty sure bungie raised guardian health to 240
@@KindDmoNno it’s 231
@@Mori_AUbecause the game rounds weirdly. 115 is actually 115.something
“I cannot aim this thing, at all”
*doesn’t miss a shot*
i think the gun isn’t bad, just not as good as igneous or steady hand. i wish they brought steady hand with slideshot back in the legacy pool.
I have a steady hand with slideshot, swashbuckler and a range masterwork. Is that good?
Thing is I would use this over steadhand because of the 2H1B kills. But in terms of stats it’s not anywhere close
@@omarm4565 yes
@@omarm4565iron grip would be better as opposed to swash but its still good
@@omarm4565 if you are new yes. if not, no
"I shouldnt challenge this but im going to because im a dumbass" 🤣🤣 literally made me laugh out loud
Gen z 'humor' reaction moment.
@@Alostwanderer88yeah, humor before then was filled witg sexist, racist homophobic jokes.
@@thenexus7343 or the endless sea of boomers hating their wives
@@thenexus7343they’re all jokes none of them are any of those things lmfao
@@Alostwanderer88 im 100% not gen z. im a millennial.
When solstice comes around they updated Soemthing news perk pool. It also gets enhanced PI with combos like snap, ele cap and rapid hit
Rapid hit is gonna be MASSIVE. Especially with enhanced stuff. Honestly, on a 120 enhanced precision instrument is basically useless. Doesn't ramp up faster, won't change ttk, no extra stats. People clown rapid hit on 140s, but on 120s I feel like it is borderline best in slot if not straight up the best in slot. Other than the fire rate, the worst stats on 120s are stability and reload. Getting to add both with one perk for doing literally what you should be already, which is hitting shots, is straight up games changing for aggressives. Once I knew that was going to be on the table for the reprisal of Something New, I completely lost interest in Crimils. Cause while the model looks cooler imo, it handles like drinking concrete through a paper straw.
Also, it isn't lost on me that with the compass rose coming back with enhanced opening shot and enhanced threat detector, people are legit going to be running two solstice weapons in their kinetic and energy slots. Like, not since the release of grasp do I feel like one activity would reward you with a high end PvP primary and secondary. Hopefully they'll drop with double perk drops so we can farm them easier, too
Look at wallah man 🧍♂️ so inspirational
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@@alucard14763 it is happening
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@@alucard14763 catalyst got reworked
Crimil's sounds like a bass boosted potato chip crunch
it also has Skulking wolf, which is an insane PVP origin trait
THIS HITS LIKE A TRUCK.
UNIQUE WEAPON. FINALLY THEY HAD THE BALLS TO BRING IT BACK
Wait till wallah sees the new Something New that gets elicap and precision instrument and hss nadir focus 😂
you should try my slideways zen moment stability god roll with 70 range it actually feels crazy
Its great - those 2 perks cover each other fantastically
I also find the new arc super the most annoying super, both to use and to be used on. Its projectile is surprisingly big and it feels like it gets caught on random geometry more than tether.
One of my fav 120s so far. Slideways is nice ngl and if u rock steady rounds the stab gets fucking insane when u proc enhanced slideways
It is a strait beast I have an arrowhead break accurized rounds moving target and precision instrument enhanced. So good
One nice (but niche) thing with this handcannon is the origin trait! Skulking Wolf is actually kinda cool, giving you enhanced radar and taking you off ENEMY'S radar if you get a kill with it at low HP. You can see it proc pretty often in this video by checking Wallah's radar; when the perk is up you can see the enhanced radar with the smaller directional indicators.
It's certainly not the strongest origin trait in the game, but definitely not the weakest! Going off radar is really powerful if you have the presence of mind to realize you've activated it, and being at low HP is often the time when you don't want people to know where you are. You can definitely surprise people trying to third party a gunfight you've just won by running up on them while they have no clue you're there.
7:10 Bro just got executed😂
We have a 120 with precision instrument but it’s a scout
(the prophet)
The seasonal one has PI too i forget what its called
We have a 120 with PI, it's Igneous
Igneous Hammer hello??? Wallah even uses one so a major brain fart there
2:26 me when i gotta itch
If you time it right you can throw a suppressor made at the floor and when the super lands it'll take them out, I did it once successfully, was just trying to kill him, but I survived
i got mine enhanced with flutted, accurized, stability master, moving target and precision instrument and it feels quite nice. slightly jarring experience compared to the buttery smooth igneous but it’s not bad, i enjoy this gun a lot
they threw putting slideways on this gun instead of slideshot
Try it with Adagio. Two taps for days. I got one with fluted, accurized, moving target, adagio, and handling masterwork. Feels awesome.
Been waiting for this video, thanks Wallah!
I think the orginal role with kill clips in my vault somewhere lol
I have to say something that I discovered using a roll of this with Zen Moment+Slideways:
That perk combo is absolutely insane. You need to try it. Its my favorite now on a 120.
And you will see exactly what I mean if you get this roll. They compliment each other perfectly.
Cammy cakes gonna have a field day with this
U could give cammy a rock and he would find a way to enjoy himself
“This is the first 120 hand cannon with precision instrument” yo dawgass forgot about igneous hammer
Bro doubled back to correct himself
i cant handle anything other than a 140 because its either too slow for me or too fast and i end up timing my shots wrong. but then luna's was brought back and now i never want to take it off...
A genuine skill issue...
What roll you running on that crafted Techeun Force?
Honestly PI makes it A TIER imo. The forgiveness is HUGE
I wonder if it’s deterministic recoil is like iggy’s, where 100 is best.
do you play mnk or controller? would you say stab is less a concern on kbm?
I got an Enlightened Action, PI roll, range mw, steady rounds. feels good on controller imo
You only used slidways 10% of the time
Enlightened Action/Precision Instrument is pretty decent
Shoulda been steady hand
I wish they brought back steadyhand
Idk, with iron grip its barely any better than a new god rolled Crimil's stat wise and it's definitely not any better than Igneous. Although that's in the energy slot. It's only when you factor in slideshot that Steady Hand is better, and that's only active for one shot.
@@seb5542 if steady hand came back it would've came back with new perks like crimils and PI would be in it since the game now knows that 120s need that perk after the HC changes also slideshot is the best hand canon perk it doesn't have a down time like opening shot or slideways and it keeps the buff while your sliding so u can get all 3 shots with the buff while using a 140 and probably 2 with a 120 and it would've made steady hands a contender to iggy since slideshot and PI are an insane combo especially for a 120
@@abdalrhman7998 you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how slideshot works. It grants 20 range and 20 stability on the next shot within 2.5 seconds after activation. It only affects the first shot after activation, none of the following shots are affected unless you reactivate it.
Also the reason why steady hand is so good is because of iron grip and slideshot *in combination* . Take away one of those perks and it's then just a very average 120 hand cannon. It wouldn't compete with Igneous without those two perks. Yes PI gives forgiveness if you can't land crits which is appealing on this archetype. But you're then giving up the whole reason why you'd use that particular gun in the first place. You only use it for that stat package provided to you by those two perks. Because the base stats are very mediocre without iron grip and don't stand out at all. The 3rd column could be swapped out for zen or quickdraw, but range is more important to a lot of people so slideshot is the most popular pick.
Slideshot didn't become more popular because of hand cannon changes, it was because of the zoom changes that it rose in popularity and effectiveness.
How is slideways better than moving target?
Stability
Actually love this hand cannon. I have trouble with many hand cannons cuz it’s hard for me to shoot n fire and get headshots but this thing I can destroy people with and I got moving target zen moment which really makes the gun stick and less flinch and it’s definitely a hand cannon I’ll be using often. I also would like to get a good slideways or moving target precision instrument roll
imo it’s one of the worst feeling HC’s in the game
Which HCs feel the best for you, just curious because I agree
@@l3ftie578 iggy, rose, spare, dire. Even pure poetry from vanguard is the same model as crimils dagger and it feels miles better.
Can't be worse than Warden's Law.
@@pch1370 Double fires are fine, technically kill faster than 120's
@@Zevox144 u just need to somehow get the 2 shots lmao even without getting flinched its hard but with even a small flinch u wont get any headshot and 120s ttk isn't what makes them good even 180s have the same ttk as 120s with more forgiveness but their nowhere the level of 120s
I’ve got an old roll on a crimils with kill clip and snapshot, pretty sure it’s the only 120 in the game now with kill clip.
You need to do a video on the new iron banner pulse. It's an actual laser and feels like I'm cheating with how easy it is to kill people with it
Hunter ophidian cloak and this is goated
Slide way and adagio goes hard on this thing, 2 taps for res 9 and below and just slide to get a kill back
Yeah except T10 makes the TTK longer than base when you have adagio.
@@Silent-sm3lq yep, but at that point it would functions like the good old duke mk44( why tf they didnt bring this back into into the light)
@@Silent-sm3lqand rn everybody is got 10.
Why everyone always talk about adagio when I swear kill clip can roll on it. is it just cuz 120 reloads are mega slow?
@@Mona-.- cus kill clip got nerfed to the ground and can no longer 2 taps
Precision instrument is one of my fav perks to just slap on anything that can get it
Fullbore, Accu, Mov T, Zen, Range MW. Evil.
i like this hand cannon a lot- its finally replaced my true prophecy (maybe)
the loader/dex mods in question:
ignious hammer can roll precision aswell
Precision Instrument is on Igneous Hammer.
he said enhanceable pi, which igneous does not have
What happened to the guy that normally asks for the golden eagle 1v1?
Almost seemed like you almost cracked up and lost it when saying “ go play some Iron Banner “. Lol
Bro you gotta try the Cerberus with the new catalyst 😎
What is that outro music?
I like the gun cus it looks cool even if the stats is mid
@6:20 I WOULD HAVE FUCKING BEEN PISSED
I wanted to like this thing, but I literally can’t land my shots with it to save my life
What does transcendence do in pvp exactly?
“It would be mid without pre vision instrument”, so it’s mid 😂
My first impressions of this thing is that it is amazing. The obvious comparisons are going to be Igneous Hammer and Steady Hand, which on the surface it doesn't come close to competing with Iggy's insane stats and Steady Hand's elite slideshot + iron grip combo. However, slideways helps this gun a ton, and especially when enhanced, actually brings this thing pretty in line with Iggy, and enhanced Precision Instrument is also nice, letting you 2h1b more resiliences if you don't hit a crit as your last shot. Overall, sure, a god roll adept Igenous Hammer is going to still be slightly better than a god roll Crimil's Dagger, but Crimil's is certainly a close second. The real question is when will we get energy slot specials that are equally as strong as the likes of Conditinal Finality, Someday, or snipers like Eye of Sol and Defiance of Yasmin, to complement kinetic slot primaries like Crimil's Dagger.
Matador is pretty equivalent to Someday
and duality is more consistant then chap and conditional imo
@@jonathancotter7429 Duality is very strong, but it's not "always-100-range-and-100-handling" strong like Someday. Also, I think its slug shotgun mode is still bugged to have much shorter damage fall-off than it's supposed to. In terms of pure slug performance, I'd also take Chaperone or even Heritage over Duality for their better aim assist and range (thus accuracy). You're right, it probably is more consistent than Conditional, but Conditional Finality has the added utility of being an anti-super weapon with its freeze and ignition.
@@solthegamer3769 Matador is certainly strong, yes, but Someday is just simply better.
@beki7408 I agree someday is easily craftable. I actually use slugs more then pellet, except duality I hip fire a ton. I crafted my heritage with hip-fire and offhand and it has about 3000 crucible kills. chap is goated but wiffs sometimes on the first shot, which I hate and conditional wiffs alot for me.
cloudstrike is sick and so is beloved, if you're into that.
iggy has pi?? doesnt it?! it being the first 120 with it
i got a moving target adagio i want to mess around with. d2 foundry is saying it's a 2tap to t9 and down.
It has Adajio instead of Precision Instrument so it can two tap from 1 to 9 resilience players :/
I was actually here hoping for sone fusion rifle gameplay. wallahL
we all got so used to 140's and high-stat 120's
A 120 should never have stats like igneous lets be real
Surely with max stability and precision it feels good right?
Did bungo finally unlock your heavy slot so you can use something other than sword!? BLESS BUNGO :P
Also that fuckin' movement at ua-cam.com/video/-1FPleV07a8/v-deo.html was unreal.
Pro-tip : you don’t have tocpaste a whole link for timecode, you can just type 6:18 and it becomes clickable automatically.
Eager edge is bugged so theres no point in using it rn
@@readyforlol Yeah I tried that and it did t work so I did it the old way. Knowing I'd have to read this comment later. 😂 Thanks man.
Gun feels like trash to me. Would never use it competitively over igneous or steady hand but alright to mess around. Claws of the wolf is sweet though and in energy slot to pair with conditional.
Good game Wallah, you just beat my butt in Iron Banner
Doesnt IgHammer have Prec Ins too?
whats you techeun force roll?
Enlightened action is the better of the third column perks.
Get one with adagio, adagio with one single kinetic surge together you will two tap a lot of people lmao
So sad steady hand didn’t come back does anyone know if next week will have different weapons or will it have the same as this week
They did say it will be coming back. They mentioned it when they talked about the changes to crimil's and something new, but they said it would be later down the road for steady hand. They didn't say when exactly. I don't think it will make this episode's IB.
Either im ass or this guns recoil is dumb
It’s the gun don’t worry
Its both for me 💀
Personally this 120 isnt my favorite from all 120s.
Idc crimils reminds me of the lingering song, love IB handcanons
I would go moving target personally.
Shame they did not do anything interesting with this gun. Think it would’ve been a good candidate to do somethin weird like give it tap the trigger lol
It has got Zen Moment which is very unique for a 120. Not many have them. And the ones that do were sunset and have really bad stats. Or they just have bad stats. Combined action is the most recent, and that has awful stats. Crimil's Dagger is somewhat in the same ballpark as Igneous at least.
Where is the 1v1 gold eagle guy
I usually don't care for arguments for weapon supremacy in certain archetypes, but with 120's Igneous Hammer is such an absurd outlier for both stats and perks that i really feel bungie needs to address the discrepancy there. It really just feels like i shouldn't use any other 120 except Igneous.
what fusion rifle is that?
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Maaannnnn fuck now I gotta actually play IB to get and try this gun out😭
Igneous hammer had precision instrument 😅😅😅
Guess he wanted to try enhanced version
Precision instrument is on igneous too. I got fragile focus and precision on it thing slaps.
I got slidegays PI on my very first drop i was very excited but now i have nothing to do for the next two weeks
I'm going to be farming for that exact roll but with zen moment, I've played around with one with zen and it does wonders for this gun. And claws of the wolf looks to be a very good rapid fire pulse too with Zen and headseeker.
What is that fusion?
Ik it's prob just skill issue but I just can't seem to get the hang of this gun, kicks like a horse and playing on roller makes it rough lmao
Igneous has precision instrument
GIVE ME BACK THE STEADY HAND
120s are VERY sticky on controller
need to know that techeun role ASAP!!!!
Small bore/projection fuse/under pressure/HIR/Charge Time MW. I could get a bit more range without really losing anything but this one in particular is simply a perfect recreation of the old one i used before it was craftable since its one of my most used guns. Back then, HIR would offset the dmg loss from the charge rate MW so i could still 1 burst all resils, honestly no idea if thats still a thing since the health changes
I like slideways just for the reload.
What is that ghost projection? I want the destiny symbol ghost projection
Tricorn projection, pretty sure its from solstice or Guardian games
Just throw on Ophidians and it’s good
It's such a pretty gun but so hard to use
It's on a 120 but not a hand cannon
It's on a scout
Stats arent everything and the gun can still hit 39 meters. I think it just needs stability.
Coulda been a lot better if they put zen moment in column 3 and not 4.
I got the same roll it’s fucking awesome