You have NO idea how much this video made me think about the superhero story that I was making and how I could improve it! Both of your videos help me a lot, thank you so much for that:D
Danny, please react to Ronja the Robber’s Daughter. It’s an amazing “anime” that a criminally small amount know about. The main character is a Irish/Scottish girl who goes through some shit. I think you would LOVE the show and it really deserves more attention.
The Dash with ADHD plot could probably work in an Incredibles 3. Since Bob and Helen are very accustomed to super hero life and all the formalities and customs, it could take Dash a while to adjust to those since he’s become a prominent name in the hero industry. While Dash recognizes the purpose of stuff like damage control, power registration, and advertising, he could also call out aspects of those businesses that are selfish and scummy, but many could dismiss him. Something that I’ve been saying for years is that Rick Dicker should be a villain at some point because the Parr’s basically ruined his life, and that would fit perfectly here as he starts manipulating heroes and their fight scenes and causing casualties for personal gain (which would also be the perfect time to introduce more everyday villains like the Underminer). Other characters could empathize with Dash like Frozone who was always ahead of the scene or Voyd who’s a new hero but also can’t see the purpose behind hero customs. Just my very long 2 cents.
Rick Dicker ain’t no villain but he definitely ain’t a saint at what’s he done with the supers either. He’s done some mistakes but he means well. To define more to the plot, I think he needs to die being murdered by the villain of the movie. About Dash, I would say he would need a teenage math tutor to help him improve his studies. And what could be even more cute is that that tutor is also his crush!
The argument that “the second movie can never match to the masterpiece of the first one” doesn’t work in a world where Shrek 2 exists. Edit: I swear every few months, people mention a new movie. And I’m here for it lol
Incredibles 2 was only greenlit because Samuel L. Jackson said he'd be willing to return. It wasn't Brad Bird pushing for it because he had a story he wanted to tell.
I feel like this could have been a good season of an Incredibles TV show. They didn't have enough time for all of these themes, but I think they could have done all of this with more time.
I really couldn't stand the villain in this movie, she felt so weak in comparison to Syndrome. She felt forgettable and even why she was doing what she was doing. I agree it would've been cool to see some kinda connection between her and Helen in some way from the past. Maybe even be one of the heroes that didn't save her father or something and would give Evelyn a reason to hate Helen and heroes and want to ruin what Helen loved. The concept of why Evelyn doesn't like heroes because people rely on them to much is like saying we shouldn't have, police firefighters or even doctors if they don't save someone in time. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. It be different if she maybe had a breakdown, and she wasn't all right in the head because of a trauma. but based on the movie she looked completely sane and was aware. That was just my take from it. What was great about syndrome was he was the equivalent of "never meet you heroes, because they will disappoint you" he was also a kid so it him hurt even more. He felt relatable. It felt like when you say you want to grow up to be something and then people put you down saying you could never do that. So he went to the extreme to prove a point that he could do it but lost his way along the way while also holding on to a grudge.
Maybe her grudge could be that supers choose to save someone else besides her father, and that’s why she’s making Helen do all these tests to show how supers don’t save the “right people”. Make her a victim of the trolly problem or something
@@laraschroeder5195 right, like choose to emphasize on that. I feel like they just brush over that concept so if they want to go with that concept then they need to go deeper with it so that we can feel sympathetic for her.
@@EkardRimidalv before I even wrote this comment I had to go back and look up her name cuz I just couldn't remember it and the only reason I remembered the screenslaver was because Danny mentioned it
I think a 7 year time gap would be great for a third movie. Jack-Jack would be 8, but Dash and Violet would be so distant in age that it would be hard for them to connect. Dash could be at college, and very distracted by his workload, making it hard to connect with Jack-Jack or anyone else in the family. Meanwhile, Violet is 21 and trying to figure out how the adult world works, maybe she is balancing her job, taxes, and family life. It could be a movie about how hard it is to keep a strong relationship with those you love while there is so much you have to do just to have financial stability. Meanwhile Jack-Jack doesn't understand why they aren't interacting with him as much as they were when he was 5 or so. All this may makes Jack-Jack feel as if it is his fault, leading him into a slump, where he thinks that he is only an inconvenience for everyone else in the family. Bob and Helen try to find a way to make Jack-Jack feel better about himself, maybe by making short term solutions, like buying him new toys, but it doesn't work in the long term. I haven't thought of an ending for it so feel free to reply your best Idea for how the problems may be solved or how they may reach an understanding where everyone can learn an individual message about the world, tailored to their own characters. Thank you for reading, and I apologize if the format was confusing.
Something that could add to the drama is that before, Violet was the closest to him because she's the only one with multiple powers like him, so he connect to her more because she can understand it, understand him. We could also make her discover and struggle with the fact that her having multiple powers is actually extremely rare, and her family has two of those really rare supers. She and Jack Jack (?) could be targeted because of that? Maybe a criminal organisation interested in studying them or something? And they could reconnect through this story or something, deciding to be working together as a duo later on (maybe when her youngest brother is an adult himself, or at least a teenager? Dunno).
@@josearielortiz2055 why not? Seeing jack jack as a cocky teenager,like an edna but "evil" The kid has almost every power possible,and give that all to a kid and let all kids know he is mr incredible and elastigirl son,he ll be the popular kid at school,and ll try to bring that at home with his siblings. But,even tho they have simple powers,they have hero experience and give jack jack a different world view
If they do a third movie I’d like if it wasn’t an Incredibles 3. I would like to see a Frozone stand alone movie about his life or a movie about their origins and the glory days. I would love to see how Helen and bob met each other and their relationships with the other supers!
Exactly. It's such a simple and obvious move they should've taken. But instead it was some random, unrelated hero that sparked Evelyn's grudge--against Helen and every hero ever. I mean, where's the connection there?
What would make it more interesting is if it was the opposite of Mr. Incredible in the first movie. Mr. Incredible was late to his wedding because he was busy saving people. Elastagirl wasn't late to her wedding but that short period costed the life of the father.
I think the best way to fix the Villain is to make the villain the rich dude character instead of his sister. Make it so that he’s creating threats and putting people in danger so that he can fulfill his goal of reviving the supers by any means necessary. That way the ending with supers being legalized again is more ambiguous because technically he still wins. Imagine the guy being put into a police cruiser but he’s laughing and cheering because he still accomplished his goal.
thats acttaly really clever and imma just add onto this, due to his infloence he could do things behind others backs (like pay some local crooks to cause chaos and start a vilonce proset that the heros have to handle before it gets out of hand and/ro ruins their image) and in doing so the movie can take a more in depth outlooks on casutses and coladerale damge, basicly what im saying is that the movie had a chance to go deeper into poltics and its a shame it didnt also sorry for my spelling im very dyslecic and very tird
ever since the movie came out, the fact that Evelyn had the potential to be a great villain just bothered me. I feel like she could easily tie into the continuity set up by the first movie if her motivation was that she was reacting to what Syndrome did by using him as an example like "see what all this idealization of heroes does to people?" I think that in combination with the themes of public perception and striving for a healthy balance between personal life and being a hero could have easily made it just as good as the original if all those plot points were focused well.
Then if bob tries to convince helen to try not to be a superhero, they can have a scene that mirrors the argument scenes from the first film. That would have been amazing seeing and/or hearing bob and helen arguing from the complete opposite point of view. Maybe making the same points and stands the other made from the first fight
Personally as someone who has and still does struggle with adhd and dyslexic I loved the idea of dash having adhd I agree especially since my family is always compared me to Dash having that type of representation would be amazing and i like the way you were thinking of taking him
Speaking of Dash. He really loves sports, and if you get D's or F's in your classes, the sports team isn't gonna allow you to participate in sports activities. It would be both embarrassing and sad. Maybe Dash could have bullies who are jealous of him make fun of him for being 'dumb' or something. Maybe a former teacher or classmate Dash did pranks on is getting back at him. So, not only is Dash afraid of failing and ending up like his dad did, but also fears losing doing the things he loves.
Man, I feel like a lot of the characters got sidelined in this movie when in the previous one they all had their time to shine. Mr. Incredible also didn't feel like he contributed all that much to the movie, except for some funny scenes. Bob's voice actor from my country was asked in an interview "If you had Mr. Incredible's powers, what would you do?" and he was like "Well, considering he spends time at the house cooking and taking care of the kids, well, I can already do that." It really felt like even he knew that Bob didn't get to do much.
Yeah first they underpowered him on the miner scene where he seems weak as hell, and then reduced him to a comedy relief. What made the first movie great was that each member had their purpose in the overall movie even dash being good at catching has a major role in the final fight. They couldn’t do it for this one
Honestly one of my biggest problems is how this movie resets the characters since the last movie. I liked the idea of Violets crush found out her identity. If they kept that then Tony could've helped the family's image as a civilian and act as the first step upwards. He'd be great too in supporting Violet too. Also at the end of the first movie they basicly gave us the impression that supers had once again been legalized and the family was all alright with leaping into action. Also how the heck has Jackjack not acted up for 3 months!? Seriously i feel that the movie shouldnt have made such a giant step-back.
@@dylansharp8471 Yes. Basicly they were the same as they were before the island. The island was them being forced to tackle an issue which in turn brough them closer and let them grow individually. I'll take for instance Helen's view on supers and superpowers. In the first one she was against it, then when they were in danger she was forced to allow them and they thrived. Even letting Dash start doing sports and then doing hero work afterwards. But then in the next movie she's against all of it again. Infact i don't even think this Helen would allow Dash to do sports. Feel free to argue since i must admit i am not the greatest critic compared to the ones like Danny Motta up there.
I think my least favorite part of the movie was anything concerning the baby. Don't know why I hated him, but every time that twerp was on screen I wanted to throw an anvil at my tv.
What if Dash just needed attention? His dad was constantly living in the past, and just gets “oh, you’re so fast”. Like you said, Dash wants to be more than be fast, but his dad won’t help. Incredibles 3: make Tony sacrifice himself for Violet. Of course, Tony can survive, but it would draw upon something Incredibles did well; Syndrome was morally right in his beliefs. Tony, a kid with no powers, saved a Super when they couldn’t defend themselves. I think you can make Incredibles 3 about responsibility, like that people can’t push their problems on Supers, because they can make a difference.
What if Dash was failing algebra because he always does homework at super speed and has to go slow at school. He usually gets the wrong answers many times before getting the right answer. Going normal speed at school forces him to pay attention to small details when he usually rushes through and fixes everything with a second, third, fourth pass through. This would illustrate a sort of super ADHD.
I feel like there should definitely be a new position in movie making, hire people like him to look at the script from an outside but passionate point of view and correct things when still developing.
@@fabiofuoco THIS. This right here is what will save the movie industry and restore Disney to what it once was. The only hurdle is that are executives going to care about making a good film or still just focus on the short-term monetary gains? Only time will tell.
I would argue when Helen was falling with whatever the villains name was, and the teleportor girl was panicking, begging elstagirl to make herself into a shoot to save herself and let the other person die is extremely stressful.
Dash doesn’t have ADHD in canon?! Even in the first film I thought he did. Kid with super speed, gets bored easy, mischievous, tends to pry which leads to possibly dangerous situations…. All of these things usually go hand in hand with ADHD in movies.
Honestly comparing both movies just makes me think Brad Bird didn’t really wanted to make this sequel. Incredibles 1 is so thematically rich and so tightly written. The sequel instead feels like a first draft, like he wrote it on a weekend and just was like “ok we can do this or whatever”
I feel like this movie was made for the sole reason of being another “girl power” movie. Which, let me clarify now, isn’t a bad thing. When done right. This movie had the potential to be good and not solely because Helen was a women. It could have been a moment to show off her as a complex character as well as being badass, while she also happened to be a women. Instead it feels like she was only put in to be a badass women. Again not bad but it gives of the vibes of Diversity for solely the sake of diversity.
I don’t know. I don’t think it the movie was anything more than “pretty good” but it never really felt preachy to me. Like, I rolled my eyes multiple times while watching Captain Marvel but not once during this one.
Why are you tiptoeing around it? Just say empowering women is nearly unnecessary in the modern world and no one watches movies to see women empowerment.
When you said you might cry if your dad ever watched one of your videos, it punched me right in my parental heart. Here's one dad that loves the themes you've suggested. With so much lost potential, it's good to have this head cannon version.
4:10, Bob is also panicking during that scene because he is listening through the radio and is helpless to do anything about it. So, you can add that to the list as well.
Hey Danny I’ve thought about some of the things and here’s how to do some changes to Incredibles 2 first the Villian the villian is called Medusa and has stone powers it’s basically the same thing some character same ties to the plot except for one detail. During the robbery Elsstigirl shows up and saves her and her brother but Elastigirl fails to save her dad. Also their could be some scenes where Medusa does make her choose who to save and one of the biggest examples of that would be at the climax. So elastigirl is holding on too a train full of people while Medusa is fighting Dash and Violet don’t ask how we got here we just are. So then Medusa manages to capture Violet and starts tiring her to stone so Dash runs over to help his sister and Medusa starts turning him into stone Medusa tells elastigirl she now has to chooses between saving her children or saving the train full of people. Elastigirl tries to pull up the train but realizes she can’t then Elastigirl tries to release one limb to maybe hit Medusa put she can’t as she’s putting everything she has just to hold the train up the screams of the people in the train are heard along with the screams of Dash and Violet trying desperately to get out put they can’t both the kids start crying and so does Elastigirl because she doesn’t know what to do finally with tears running down her face she says I’m sorry, I’m so sorry and she lets go off the train and the people scream as they plummet to their death then Elastigirl grabs Medusa and snaps her neck saving Dash and Violet and they all hug as it is revealed that everyone watched the train fall. So that’s what would’ve liked to do I’m sorry if it’s not that good grammatically and thank you for reading this.
Pictures this. Throughout the movies we see the algebra scene but we also see Dash ask everyone around him about it and when Bob finally goes into Dashes room he sees posters for a show and say “I didn’t know you like that…” “yeah the third movie came out least week some of my classmates went to see it.” and Bob just stands there realizing he doesn’t know his own kids and just repeats “I didn’t know…” he walks downstairs and looks around the house, at the mess, and a sleeping Jack Jack and Violet after she calms him down. He goes to Violets and sees some of the things she likes. We see Bob come to accept that he needs to learn how to be there for his kids and we a close up shot of him picking up the algebra book from the table and head to his room. Then a shot outside the house, all the lights off but one slowly turn into morning. Then we follow Dash and Violet walk downstairs to see a clean house, a happy Jack Jack, and Bob making breakfast, not the best but he put a lot of effort into it. Maybe some burnt bacon and eggs on his own plate that were his first attempt and didn’t want to waste. They eat and he says it’s the weekend so do they have any plans and Violet wants to go out but she can stay and watch Jack Jack and he says no it’ll be alright and to be safe and gives her a hug as she smiles and goes to get ready. Leaving Dash and Bob at the table, dash says he has homework so he’ll be in his room and bob says he’ll help, to which dash goes “don’t worry it’s algebra I’ll call mom and see if she can help.” Bob smiles and says “don’t worry I did some homework of my own, I can help.” And we get a sweet scene of Bob holding Jack Jack in one arm and pointing on the page helping Dash with algebra in the other. Maybe the problem they trouble with comes up in the final battle and he has to solve a problem and when he disarms or fixes whatever it is, Bob just says “wasn’t just math” while out of breath. idk I like that idea
Oh my goodness, THANK YOU DANNY!! For not only saying what the movie needed, but also for including that deleted neighborhood barbeque scene, I freakin' LOVE that clip. If they had revolved the themes of the sequel around Helen as you suggested, it would've been a really good parallel from the first film's opening. Elastigirl's intro makes her relatable as a woman in a male dominated profession, so understandably her mind is far away from raising a family and giving up what she loves doing. But if the deleted scene had been the opening for the sequel, just as the first film's interview was our intro to Elastigirl the hero, this would've been our intro to Helen Parr, first time mom and former hero, making a stance for women like herself who held similar views like that snobby neighbor but have matured.
Perhaps having the villain be a family member would help with the thematic nature? Then she'd have to y'know, stop them, but at the same time try not to hurt them.
You got so passionate over "The Dark Knight" that if you were down to talking about it, I think we would love to hear you talk more in-depth about it. (Or, maybe "The Batman"???)
UA-cam recommended this to me. This was one of the few videos on youtube that I did not have to fast forward. you should be a writer at Disney. Kepp up the great work.
I'm not English and when you said 'Give Dash ADHD!' I confused it with Ptsd x))) Like some rest of the events of incredibles1. And you seemed so proud of it, I was like daang you reeally like seeing theses characters in mental breakdown 👀 And great video ! I love this formula, and all the idees in it! Thank you a lot for your work and hope to see more 🔥
See I always wondered why I liked Incredibles 1 better and I only really liked Violet’s plot in the second...you’ve essentially explained all of my thoughts to me thank you 😂
During the development of the first film the villain was supposed to be a guy named Xerek who was Elastigirl’s ex boyfriend who was obsessed with her maybe he could be the villain you talked about and be just be re worked. Like he could be someone who she saved but in the process didn’t save his wife and then He blames her and becomes obsessed with her and becomes the riddler/joker type villain you mentioned. Just a thought though awesome video.
What I would have loved to see is them tackling a very complex matter - somebody who does bad things in the name of good. Basically give the movie a villain that constantly displays that the government is incompetent and the police failing while the superheroes are their biggest asset. This would have been an interesting challenge - the heroes have a chance to get legalized again if the public realizes that their current protectors fail them; so they have to ask themselves whether to accept the help of a villain doing bad things for a good reason or to stop the villain.
Incredible 1 with all its heavy topics like suicide, murder, hella death in the film, would totally get cancelled if it were released today and that really sucks because we’re not gonna get complex and relatable movies like back in the day
17:05 This reminded of Red Rush (the Flash copy from Invincible) and how he had problems with his relationship because everything was so slow to him. For Dash it would be that literally all of his teachers were the slow ones that make you fall asleep when they talk.
I forgot who but someone did a great rewrite of screenslavers motivation to further solidify her distaste for superheroes and peoples reliance on them.
Disney/Pixar is going through a pretty rough patch right now in terms of quality, so while I would like to see an 'Incredibles 3' at some point, I'd prefer they wait another few years. That being said, what would I want? I think I'd want them to go up against someone who wasn't directly tied to them. Syndrome was a deranged superhero fanboy; Screenslaver was hated superheroes - there's not much more to be done with that theme. I'd like to see the family go up against a more traditional, money-and-power based supervillain - or, better yet, let's have our cake and eat it, too. Have them go up against a traditional supervillain FAMILY. Picture this. There's been a timeskip (which I agree with you needs to happen), and the kids are taking more active roles. Jack-Jack is now the 'Dash' of the family, the hyperactive little kid (I would tone down the all-the-powers business, making that more of a super-baby thing that goes away as you get older - but still let him keep one or two powers that are really, REALLY powerful, like laser-vision that could blow up a mountain if he's not careful; something like that, so he's still a handful); Dash himself is kind of like a 'Johnny Storm' type, a cocky teenager who's maybe a LITTLE too full of himself, and Violet is going to community college, but still living at home. Bob and Helen are staying a bit more in the background these days, with Helen usually being a bit more of a 'mission coordinator', keeping everyone connected through a camera/microphone set-up, while Bob still goes out into the field to play backup. Frozone also still helps out from time to time when he can, but he's recently started focusing on climbing the corporate ladder (we never did find out what his job was, and he seems fairly well off, so it's not too implausible), so he can't always make it. Bob is struggling with the fact that he's now in late middle age, and just can't handle the action stuff the way he used to - he's just a little bit too old to just work out a lot and make a comeback, like he did in the first film. Sure, he's still a superhero, and he loves being a superhero, and he loves that his kids are superheroes, but all he really wants to do is get back into the thick of the action again, and he can't really do that anymore. What's more, Dash and Violet are growing a bit apart from him, as kids tend to do when they get older and start having lives of their own; Helen just doesn't want to go through all this business again, and he worries that their marriage might be in trouble, and his relationship with Frozone has started to go downhill lately because he thinks he recognizes some of the soulless corporate attitude in him that made his life so miserable in the first movie (and secretly, Frozone himself is a little worried that Bob might have a point). His relationship with Jack-Jack (though just 'Jack' now) is still good, since his youngest hero-worships his dad, and often acts as his 'sidekick', but he's worried that he's not living up to his son's elevated image of him (especially since Jack himself is now vastly more powerful than he is). Overall, poor ol' Bob is just not doing too well at the moment. Fortunately, he finds a new pal - another guy about his age who he runs into on the golf course or something, and gets into a conversation with. This guy (let's call him 'Al') also has a family, and relates completely to what Bob tells him about his own. Bob thinks he may have run across another superhero, though, of course, he can't just ask him outright about it. (I'd have it be, not only incautious, but a major social faux pas to directly reveal your secret identity - society still has some issues from back in the 'superheroes were illegal' days.) So the two families start hanging out, and they get along like a house on fire. They have barbecues together; Dash gets a major crush on Al's daughter, etc. Both families, though, are just a little cagey with the other about certain aspects of their lives, and Bob figures that this is proof positive that they're both super-families. A good thing, too, because a legendary villain team has recently been tearing up the city, and the Incredibles could use the help. (Frozone is of little help there, because he's super-miffed with Bob right now - Al is a major rival of his at work, and he feels hurt that his oldest friend is taking his enemy's side.) You can probably guess where this is going, right? Yep. It turns out that, when Bob finally confronts Al about teaming up together, that Al and his family are, in fact, supervillains. THEY'RE the Team Evil that's been raiding Metroville, and now that they know that the Parrs are actually the Incredibles, the scene is set for a major showdown. Except that both sides now regard the other as friends. What's to be done? I think you could get into some really interesting territory with a premise like that. Growing old, father-son relationships, friendships getting strained with time, teenage problems - and, of course, the age-old hero/villain dichotomy. I would throw in lots of little conversations between the two families that show the difference between their two viewpoints: they both believe in keeping their families safe and doing what's best, but it turns out that while Bob believes in doing the right thing for both his family and the community, Al believes in doing the right thing for his family and loved ones first and foremost, which for him means making sure they're sitting pretty with as much money and power as possible. The two positions are actually pretty close in some ways, but there are important differences - some good stuff to chew on there, I'd say.
It was really cool to hear your thoughts on this movie, and what they could had added to it. Though I think why some themes were dropped were due to production issues, things behind the scenes, that kind of stuff (like with any great movie that gets a sequel) and how they wanted to go about it. Also, I'm going to be a devil's advocate in saying that I (and probably others) would like to know what your fave moments/characters in the first and second movie of Indrectibles are, and what you'd like if they do make a 3rd Incredibles movie. My fav character is Edna because she is perfect in both films and no one will change my mind on that.
Your suggestion to have made Dash struggle with ADHD and wanting to avoid letting his power be what defines his self worth legit spoke to me. I was diagnosed with ADHD at 17 (my dad never got evaluated so we had no idea it was in the family), but up until then, I wondered what was wrong with me and why I couldn’t focus on anything in school. I was known as the artist of my family and class; I spent so many years letting that define who I was since it was all I knew I was good at. Then, when I was 16, I met someone who helped me realize that my artistic abilities was only one of my skills, and that I had much more to offer. Now, as someone in college, I’m finally medicated, getting good grades, and studying to become a forensic psychologist. To summarize, had Pixar done what you just suggested, it would have made him incredibly relatable and impactful to me, and so many other kids and adults who were struggling, or had struggled in the past, with similar experiences.
Sorry but is it banana fish ending theme at the back ground. I was so distracted by it that I can't focus after 11:17 Edit: 13:05 Omg and now its sasageyo. I was trying to ignore the music but I can't unhear it lol (I love your music preferences btw)
One thing that both movies have in common is that the main villain never has powers, I think for the third movie having a actual super powered individual be the bad guy is a good idea because it would allow for them to be able to actually just beat up the main characters and make them more intimidating. Also as far as we’ve seen there hasn’t been any real SUPER villains, only SUPER hero’s. Like isn’t it strange that EVERY single person with powers just HAPPENS to be a hero.
I remember watching this for the first time with my cousins and we were all equally as disappointed in this movie over the entire plot and how the characters don't get much development at all. Not saying it's a horrible movie, far from it, but it should've strived for more.
Oh my god THANK YOU. As someone that has always cherished the first Incredibles as one of my favourite movies (animated or otherwise), the second one was good...but something was missing I couldn't quite articulate. So thank you for hitting five consecutive nails right on the head and also coming up with solutions so good, I feel robbed of the Incredibles 2 that could have been. Incred-...I mean, amazing video x
A wasted opportunity was to give Dash a new power. I mean Violet has 2 (invisibility and force fields) and JackJack is a plot device with diapers. Imagine he could clone by going so fast there are multiple of him. Or just do something with the character unlike in the real movie.
I honestly thought the movie would have been better with Bob also being a hero, instead of just staying home. I feel like he didn't have a real part in the story. He just feels sidelined
Did anyone else notice on the first movie at the beginning when Mr Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone were doing interviews Mr. Incredible said it would be nice if he could settle down and have a family while Elastigirl said she wouldn’t want to quit. Then when supers were forced into hiding Bob is the one who wants to be a hero again while Helen doesn’t
Disappointing is a better way to put it. I see people calling it horrible all the time and to that, I do not agree. But it wasn't remarkable, and it certainly was not a worthy successor to the incredible (pun acknowledged but not intended) movie it came from.
Gosh yes! All your ideas are such a gold mine of potential! I think the second was good and didn't feel like a soulless cashgrab, but there defienly could have been more. It was kinda like a oneshot in a series - something to chew on between the next big installment. But who knows, maybe if there's a third it'll nail the soul and themes without the "haha social commentary" vibes that the Screenslaver felt like it more or less embodied
I did actually like the second move but I do agree with EVERYTHING you said. They should have focused more on Helen’s flexibility symbolism. Have her fail to save Evelyn’s parents in the beginning of the movie and have that be Evelyn’s motivation to become a villain. Have Helen be pushed by Screen Slaver (Brain Teaser is a better name if we’re going down this path) and have her finally fail once to save another person after several attempts from the villain Have Evelyn and Winston’s relationship be more strained because he’s willing to forgive Helen when Evelyn isn’t. Have the final dilemma be between saving Bob and saving the kids. The eternal question for Incredibles 2 shouldn’t have been “Is technology bad for you?” But rather “How much are you willing to sacrifice for your loved ones?” (And like…..if we’re REALLY gonna mirror Bob’s story……have more tension between Helen and Evelyn-)
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Ok I’m super new to this channel (I originally found you from your sk8 the infinity tiktoks-perfection btw) but I LOVE your anime reactions. I think you’d enjoy reacting to the Haikyuu dub!
The dash and his super speed making it difficult to focus on stuff reminds me of My Hero Academia and how powers usually have an affect on the person’s personality. One guy says that “powers should be accepted, is a nice message, but more often then not it affects a persons personality which the would is willing to accept.” Which I thought was pretty cool.
I would actually like a Incredibles TV series dealing with more supers maybe exploring the history of how supers came about was it a my hero academia situation where somome was just born with powers one day? I think this could be a focus of maybe a third movie like Bob is sent back in time and he has to team up with you parents who were supers themselves maybe even some of the first. Or it could be the focus of a first season and the rest of the family is trying to get Bob back to their time and things keep changing. We find out at the end of the first season that the time line was been very damaged and now in season two the family is going to have to fix everything. This is just an idea though, but it is stupid I know"
Mr. Incredible doesn’t have superhuman strength, but superhuman endurance which has the side effect of giving him superhuman strength. This is shown in the test short where he’s paying more attention to his wife defending parenthood to the point of nearly blowing their cover, and not to the steel butcher knife he’s cutting meat at the cookout with. He brings down the blade onto his fingers and a lady screams in horror, snapping him back to the reality that he bent the steel around his fingers, so he has to quickly find ketchup and throw the damaged knife away so nobody realizes they are retired superheroes. Back to the Dash lesson you were mentioning, he could teach his son that he isn’t super strong by intentionally trying to chop his fingers off with a steel butcher knife to the detriment of his blade. Then, he could say that he has his limits, showing the tungsten omnidroid scar that he got in the cut from the last film. Then show Dash that the important thing is to know your limits, but look to surpass them beyond what you think is possible, and that the way to do that isn’t always the easiest or the most obvious way of to do things. Case in point, Bob couldn’t figure out his son’s math because they changed it, but he doesn’t give up. He figures out why it changed, the differences between the two systems and how to translate his math skills to the homework. Dash And Bob figure out how Dash thinks through trial and error, and they eventually get Dash to pass the test, adding to Bob’s arc of learning to be less stubborn by stubbornly flexible by looking for a different perspective on things like, for instance, his family. Plus, Dash could help Bob with this using his ADHD, using turning his inability to stay focused on one problem into the ability to chip away at a bunch of small parts of problems of a bigger goal. Also, I came up with this Venn diagram of their roles based on D&D: Bob * Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank". * Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS". * Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance. Helen * Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank". * Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS". * Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class. Violet * Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank". * Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance. * Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class. Dash * Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS". * Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance. * Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class.
I can tell that this was not Brad Bird's original idea. To me, it feels like somebody threatened him to alternate the tone and story a bit since the first movie was "dark", "mature", or "violent" according to some parents.
I just remember being disappointed that they made the underminer such a small part of the movie, but thats probably because my brother and i loved the rise of the underminer game for the xbox so much
One thing that annoyed me in this movie was that the underminer was only used as a connecting piece, like seriously they could have kept the underminer and worked with that instead of the stupid screenslaver………..
Learning more about the series with Xerex being the villain in the second one could do something better than Screenslaver. Xerex was connected to her and could be a massive threat.
The Incredibles 2 should have been them grown up. As soon as I got home from watching the first one, I couldn't wait to see Dash all grown up with super speed in the second one.......but I cry instead
It’s been a while since I’ve watched this movie so bare with me cuz I’m going off of my memory here but I think in the movie there was a brother and sister with the sister being the villain. I remember as an early teen watching the movie and being convinced that the brother was the villain solely because the sister would be too obvious considering she was always ominously in the shadows and the brother had just as much motive (something I also predicted because it was obvious). But no, it was just the obvious one. I think if they wanted the surprise villain thing, they should have made it significantly more subtle along with everything Danny said in this video. I get that it’s a kids movie but this one definitely felt more patronising when I watched it
I definitely enjoyed watching the second one more in theaters (not really a fair comparison I don’t remember the first time I watched the first one) but the first one will always be my favorite. The soundtrack, the themes, how everything just overlaps and fits together nicely, the action and superheroes, how you don’t appreciate all that until you’re older. My two favorite Disney movies both happen to be superhero ones, the incredibles, and big hero 6... which you should definitely check out. It takes place in a mix of San Francisco and Tokyo, has beautiful animation, amazing characters, is emotional and dark, and it’s about some tech geniuses so I guess I’m bias since I’m interested in engineering. I checked out your channel and I think you would like it
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Attention! There is a minor audio error between 3:30-3:34! I'm super sorry about this oversight and it will be trimmed out ASAP!
It's no problem and we're not complaining. Keep up the great work, King 😊
You have NO idea how much this video made me think about the superhero story that I was making and how I could improve it! Both of your videos help me a lot, thank you so much for that:D
Danny, please react to Ronja the Robber’s Daughter. It’s an amazing “anime” that a criminally small amount know about. The main character is a Irish/Scottish girl who goes through some shit. I think you would LOVE the show and it really deserves more attention.
@@elijahwilson5530 great idea! I haven't thought about that show for years! I need to rewatch it.
Danny you should do an "fixing the movie" series! Your narrative points are really good (can totally see the film student hahahahha).
This damn near *could* be a start.
Uuuh i hope it is!
I agree with this 100 %
I like this idea.
Agreed! He’s an insightful critic and writer!
The Dash with ADHD plot could probably work in an Incredibles 3. Since Bob and Helen are very accustomed to super hero life and all the formalities and customs, it could take Dash a while to adjust to those since he’s become a prominent name in the hero industry. While Dash recognizes the purpose of stuff like damage control, power registration, and advertising, he could also call out aspects of those businesses that are selfish and scummy, but many could dismiss him. Something that I’ve been saying for years is that Rick Dicker should be a villain at some point because the Parr’s basically ruined his life, and that would fit perfectly here as he starts manipulating heroes and their fight scenes and causing casualties for personal gain (which would also be the perfect time to introduce more everyday villains like the Underminer). Other characters could empathize with Dash like Frozone who was always ahead of the scene or Voyd who’s a new hero but also can’t see the purpose behind hero customs. Just my very long 2 cents.
Rick Dicker ain’t no villain but he definitely ain’t a saint at what’s he done with the supers either. He’s done some mistakes but he means well. To define more to the plot, I think he needs to die being murdered by the villain of the movie.
About Dash, I would say he would need a teenage math tutor to help him improve his studies. And what could be even more cute is that that tutor is also his crush!
Also violet and dash has no superhero names so that could be a minor plot point in the 3rd movie if one ever shows up
@@josearielortiz2055 that last part is some classic Spider-Man shit fr.
@@josearielortiz2055 "His tutor is his crush' OOOH I WOULD LOVE THAT!
I have nothing to say against that
The argument that “the second movie can never match to the masterpiece of the first one” doesn’t work in a world where Shrek 2 exists.
Edit: I swear every few months, people mention a new movie. And I’m here for it lol
Or toy story 2
Or Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Kung Fu Panda Two
LotR The Two Towers
Puss in boots 2
Incredibles 2 was only greenlit because Samuel L. Jackson said he'd be willing to return. It wasn't Brad Bird pushing for it because he had a story he wanted to tell.
Where exactly did you hear this?
Souce: trust me bro
I trust you bro
I feel like this could have been a good season of an Incredibles TV show. They didn't have enough time for all of these themes, but I think they could have done all of this with more time.
Oh trust me I’m sure an incredibles Disney plus series is incoming. Only a matter of time
@@Samuel2oh9 ua-cam.com/video/31g0YE61PLQ/v-deo.html
Don't give Disney ideas bro 😭
I really couldn't stand the villain in this movie, she felt so weak in comparison to Syndrome. She felt forgettable and even why she was doing what she was doing. I agree it would've been cool to see some kinda connection between her and Helen in some way from the past. Maybe even be one of the heroes that didn't save her father or something and would give Evelyn a reason to hate Helen and heroes and want to ruin what Helen loved. The concept of why Evelyn doesn't like heroes because people rely on them to much is like saying we shouldn't have, police firefighters or even doctors if they don't save someone in time. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. It be different if she maybe had a breakdown, and she wasn't all right in the head because of a trauma. but based on the movie she looked completely sane and was aware. That was just my take from it. What was great about syndrome was he was the equivalent of "never meet you heroes, because they will disappoint you" he was also a kid so it him hurt even more. He felt relatable. It felt like when you say you want to grow up to be something and then people put you down saying you could never do that. So he went to the extreme to prove a point that he could do it but lost his way along the way while also holding on to a grudge.
Maybe her grudge could be that supers choose to save someone else besides her father, and that’s why she’s making Helen do all these tests to show how supers don’t save the “right people”. Make her a victim of the trolly problem or something
I forgot her villain name and her real name a few minutes after the movie was done
@@laraschroeder5195 right, like choose to emphasize on that. I feel like they just brush over that concept so if they want to go with that concept then they need to go deeper with it so that we can feel sympathetic for her.
@@EkardRimidalv before I even wrote this comment I had to go back and look up her name cuz I just couldn't remember it and the only reason I remembered the screenslaver was because Danny mentioned it
I agree Syndrome was better villain.
I think a 7 year time gap would be great for a third movie. Jack-Jack would be 8, but Dash and Violet would be so distant in age that it would be hard for them to connect. Dash could be at college, and very distracted by his workload, making it hard to connect with Jack-Jack or anyone else in the family. Meanwhile, Violet is 21 and trying to figure out how the adult world works, maybe she is balancing her job, taxes, and family life.
It could be a movie about how hard it is to keep a strong relationship with those you love while there is so much you have to do just to have financial stability. Meanwhile Jack-Jack doesn't understand why they aren't interacting with him as much as they were when he was 5 or so. All this may makes Jack-Jack feel as if it is his fault, leading him into a slump, where he thinks that he is only an inconvenience for everyone else in the family. Bob and Helen try to find a way to make Jack-Jack feel better about himself, maybe by making short term solutions, like buying him new toys, but it doesn't work in the long term.
I haven't thought of an ending for it so feel free to reply your best Idea for how the problems may be solved or how they may reach an understanding where everyone can learn an individual message about the world, tailored to their own characters.
Thank you for reading, and I apologize if the format was confusing.
No anything but a distant time jump. Maybe I could agree with a little time jump. At least as 3 years later.
Something that could add to the drama is that before, Violet was the closest to him because she's the only one with multiple powers like him, so he connect to her more because she can understand it, understand him. We could also make her discover and struggle with the fact that her having multiple powers is actually extremely rare, and her family has two of those really rare supers. She and Jack Jack (?) could be targeted because of that? Maybe a criminal organisation interested in studying them or something? And they could reconnect through this story or something, deciding to be working together as a duo later on (maybe when her youngest brother is an adult himself, or at least a teenager? Dunno).
@@josearielortiz2055 why not?
Seeing jack jack as a cocky teenager,like an edna but "evil"
The kid has almost every power possible,and give that all to a kid and let all kids know he is mr incredible and elastigirl son,he ll be the popular kid at school,and ll try to bring that at home with his siblings. But,even tho they have simple powers,they have hero experience and give jack jack a different world view
If they do a third movie I’d like if it wasn’t an Incredibles 3. I would like to see a Frozone stand alone movie about his life or a movie about their origins and the glory days. I would love to see how Helen and bob met each other and their relationships with the other supers!
same :D
I'm here from the future to tell you that Incredibles 3 is happening. Better put on your skepticals.
Here’s an idea to connect the Screenslaver with Helen: how about the person she failed to save was her father?
Huh??
@@fabiofuoco have Screenslaver’s father rely on Elastigirl to save them but she doesn’t.
@@svgamer7160 oh right right
Exactly. It's such a simple and obvious move they should've taken. But instead it was some random, unrelated hero that sparked Evelyn's grudge--against Helen and every hero ever. I mean, where's the connection there?
What would make it more interesting is if it was the opposite of Mr. Incredible in the first movie.
Mr. Incredible was late to his wedding because he was busy saving people.
Elastagirl wasn't late to her wedding but that short period costed the life of the father.
I think the best way to fix the Villain is to make the villain the rich dude character instead of his sister. Make it so that he’s creating threats and putting people in danger so that he can fulfill his goal of reviving the supers by any means necessary. That way the ending with supers being legalized again is more ambiguous because technically he still wins. Imagine the guy being put into a police cruiser but he’s laughing and cheering because he still accomplished his goal.
thats acttaly really clever
and imma just add onto this, due to his infloence he could do things behind others backs (like pay some local crooks to cause chaos and start a vilonce proset that the heros have to handle before it gets out of hand and/ro ruins their image) and in doing so the movie can take a more in depth outlooks on casutses and coladerale damge, basicly what im saying is that the movie had a chance to go deeper into poltics and its a shame it didnt
also sorry for my spelling im very dyslecic and very tird
@@athenasimp9928 Ever heard of spellcheck?
ever since the movie came out, the fact that Evelyn had the potential to be a great villain just bothered me. I feel like she could easily tie into the continuity set up by the first movie if her motivation was that she was reacting to what Syndrome did by using him as an example like "see what all this idealization of heroes does to people?"
I think that in combination with the themes of public perception and striving for a healthy balance between personal life and being a hero could have easily made it just as good as the original if all those plot points were focused well.
Then if bob tries to convince helen to try not to be a superhero, they can have a scene that mirrors the argument scenes from the first film. That would have been amazing seeing and/or hearing bob and helen arguing from the complete opposite point of view. Maybe making the same points and stands the other made from the first fight
Personally as someone who has and still does struggle with adhd and dyslexic I loved the idea of dash having adhd I agree especially since my family is always compared me to Dash having that type of representation would be amazing and i like the way you were thinking of taking him
Speaking of Dash. He really loves sports, and if you get D's or F's in your classes, the sports team isn't gonna allow you to participate in sports activities. It would be both embarrassing and sad. Maybe Dash could have bullies who are jealous of him make fun of him for being 'dumb' or something. Maybe a former teacher or classmate Dash did pranks on is getting back at him. So, not only is Dash afraid of failing and ending up like his dad did, but also fears losing doing the things he loves.
Man, I feel like a lot of the characters got sidelined in this movie when in the previous one they all had their time to shine. Mr. Incredible also didn't feel like he contributed all that much to the movie, except for some funny scenes. Bob's voice actor from my country was asked in an interview "If you had Mr. Incredible's powers, what would you do?" and he was like "Well, considering he spends time at the house cooking and taking care of the kids, well, I can already do that." It really felt like even he knew that Bob didn't get to do much.
Yeah first they underpowered him on the miner scene where he seems weak as hell, and then reduced him to a comedy relief.
What made the first movie great was that each member had their purpose in the overall movie even dash being good at catching has a major role in the final fight.
They couldn’t do it for this one
Honestly one of my biggest problems is how this movie resets the characters since the last movie. I liked the idea of Violets crush found out her identity. If they kept that then Tony could've helped the family's image as a civilian and act as the first step upwards. He'd be great too in supporting Violet too.
Also at the end of the first movie they basicly gave us the impression that supers had once again been legalized and the family was all alright with leaping into action.
Also how the heck has Jackjack not acted up for 3 months!?
Seriously i feel that the movie shouldnt have made such a giant step-back.
Reset?
@@dylansharp8471 Yes. Basicly they were the same as they were before the island. The island was them being forced to tackle an issue which in turn brough them closer and let them grow individually.
I'll take for instance Helen's view on supers and superpowers. In the first one she was against it, then when they were in danger she was forced to allow them and they thrived. Even letting Dash start doing sports and then doing hero work afterwards.
But then in the next movie she's against all of it again. Infact i don't even think this Helen would allow Dash to do sports.
Feel free to argue since i must admit i am not the greatest critic compared to the ones like Danny Motta up there.
Wait: incredibles 2 was 4 years ago!?
How much time am I wasting?
I think my least favorite part of the movie was anything concerning the baby. Don't know why I hated him, but every time that twerp was on screen I wanted to throw an anvil at my tv.
What if Dash just needed attention? His dad was constantly living in the past, and just gets “oh, you’re so fast”. Like you said, Dash wants to be more than be fast, but his dad won’t help.
Incredibles 3: make Tony sacrifice himself for Violet. Of course, Tony can survive, but it would draw upon something Incredibles did well; Syndrome was morally right in his beliefs. Tony, a kid with no powers, saved a Super when they couldn’t defend themselves. I think you can make Incredibles 3 about responsibility, like that people can’t push their problems on Supers, because they can make a difference.
What if Dash was failing algebra because he always does homework at super speed and has to go slow at school. He usually gets the wrong answers many times before getting the right answer. Going normal speed at school forces him to pay attention to small details when he usually rushes through and fixes everything with a second, third, fourth pass through. This would illustrate a sort of super ADHD.
thats what i was thinking ngl
gets this guy a writing team and a movie contract and you'll get a masterpiece.
I feel like there should definitely be a new position in movie making, hire people like him to look at the script from an outside but passionate point of view and correct things when still developing.
@@fabiofuoco THIS. This right here is what will save the movie industry and restore Disney to what it once was. The only hurdle is that are executives going to care about making a good film or still just focus on the short-term monetary gains? Only time will tell.
I would argue when Helen was falling with whatever the villains name was, and the teleportor girl was panicking, begging elstagirl to make herself into a shoot to save herself and let the other person die is extremely stressful.
Dash doesn’t have ADHD in canon?! Even in the first film I thought he did. Kid with super speed, gets bored easy, mischievous, tends to pry which leads to possibly dangerous situations…. All of these things usually go hand in hand with ADHD in movies.
wow constructive criticism without treating the source material like it's garbage, that's oddly rare lmao great vid bro
Honestly comparing both movies just makes me think Brad Bird didn’t really wanted to make this sequel.
Incredibles 1 is so thematically rich and so tightly written. The sequel instead feels like a first draft, like he wrote it on a weekend and just was like “ok we can do this or whatever”
I feel like this movie was made for the sole reason of being another “girl power” movie.
Which, let me clarify now, isn’t a bad thing. When done right.
This movie had the potential to be good and not solely because Helen was a women.
It could have been a moment to show off her as a complex character as well as being badass, while she also happened to be a women.
Instead it feels like she was only put in to be a badass women.
Again not bad but it gives of the vibes of Diversity for solely the sake of diversity.
I don’t know. I don’t think it the movie was anything more than “pretty good” but it never really felt preachy to me. Like, I rolled my eyes multiple times while watching Captain Marvel but not once during this one.
Pretty preachy to me actually cause I understand it.
“Leave the saving the world to the men? I don’t think so! I don’t think so…”
Why are you tiptoeing around it? Just say empowering women is nearly unnecessary in the modern world and no one watches movies to see women empowerment.
When you said you might cry if your dad ever watched one of your videos, it punched me right in my parental heart. Here's one dad that loves the themes you've suggested. With so much lost potential, it's good to have this head cannon version.
4:10, Bob is also panicking during that scene because he is listening through the radio and is helpless to do anything about it. So, you can add that to the list as well.
Hey Danny I’ve thought about some of the things and here’s how to do some changes to Incredibles 2 first the Villian the villian is called Medusa and has stone powers it’s basically the same thing some character same ties to the plot except for one detail. During the robbery Elsstigirl shows up and saves her and her brother but Elastigirl fails to save her dad. Also their could be some scenes where Medusa does make her choose who to save and one of the biggest examples of that would be at the climax. So elastigirl is holding on too a train full of people while Medusa is fighting Dash and Violet don’t ask how we got here we just are. So then Medusa manages to capture Violet and starts tiring her to stone so Dash runs over to help his sister and Medusa starts turning him into stone Medusa tells elastigirl she now has to chooses between saving her children or saving the train full of people. Elastigirl tries to pull up the train but realizes she can’t then Elastigirl tries to release one limb to maybe hit Medusa put she can’t as she’s putting everything she has just to hold the train up the screams of the people in the train are heard along with the screams of Dash and Violet trying desperately to get out put they can’t both the kids start crying and so does Elastigirl because she doesn’t know what to do finally with tears running down her face she says I’m sorry, I’m so sorry and she lets go off the train and the people scream as they plummet to their death then Elastigirl grabs Medusa and snaps her neck saving Dash and Violet and they all hug as it is revealed that everyone watched the train fall. So that’s what would’ve liked to do I’m sorry if it’s not that good grammatically and thank you for reading this.
Pictures this. Throughout the movies we see the algebra scene but we also see Dash ask everyone around him about it and when Bob finally goes into Dashes room he sees posters for a show and say “I didn’t know you like that…” “yeah the third movie came out least week some of my classmates went to see it.” and Bob just stands there realizing he doesn’t know his own kids and just repeats “I didn’t know…” he walks downstairs and looks around the house, at the mess, and a sleeping Jack Jack and Violet after she calms him down. He goes to Violets and sees some of the things she likes. We see Bob come to accept that he needs to learn how to be there for his kids and we a close up shot of him picking up the algebra book from the table and head to his room. Then a shot outside the house, all the lights off but one slowly turn into morning. Then we follow Dash and Violet walk downstairs to see a clean house, a happy Jack Jack, and Bob making breakfast, not the best but he put a lot of effort into it. Maybe some burnt bacon and eggs on his own plate that were his first attempt and didn’t want to waste. They eat and he says it’s the weekend so do they have any plans and Violet wants to go out but she can stay and watch Jack Jack and he says no it’ll be alright and to be safe and gives her a hug as she smiles and goes to get ready. Leaving Dash and Bob at the table, dash says he has homework so he’ll be in his room and bob says he’ll help, to which dash goes “don’t worry it’s algebra I’ll call mom and see if she can help.” Bob smiles and says “don’t worry I did some homework of my own, I can help.” And we get a sweet scene of Bob holding Jack Jack in one arm and pointing on the page helping Dash with algebra in the other. Maybe the problem they trouble with comes up in the final battle and he has to solve a problem and when he disarms or fixes whatever it is, Bob just says “wasn’t just math” while out of breath. idk I like that idea
yesyesyesyes
Oh my goodness, THANK YOU DANNY!! For not only saying what the movie needed, but also for including that deleted neighborhood barbeque scene, I freakin' LOVE that clip. If they had revolved the themes of the sequel around Helen as you suggested, it would've been a really good parallel from the first film's opening.
Elastigirl's intro makes her relatable as a woman in a male dominated profession, so understandably her mind is far away from raising a family and giving up what she loves doing. But if the deleted scene had been the opening for the sequel, just as the first film's interview was our intro to Elastigirl the hero, this would've been our intro to Helen Parr, first time mom and former hero, making a stance for women like herself who held similar views like that snobby neighbor but have matured.
Perhaps having the villain be a family member would help with the thematic nature? Then she'd have to y'know, stop them, but at the same time try not to hurt them.
Also that part where she kicks the people she was saving out of the helicopter could have been edited to make her look bad but weirdly never was
As someone with ADHD it would work with Dash so well
You got so passionate over "The Dark Knight" that if you were down to talking about it, I think we would love to hear you talk more in-depth about it.
(Or, maybe "The Batman"???)
I never thought of the incredibles 1 or 2 as a superhero movie. It has far more in common with a spy movie
UA-cam recommended this to me. This was one of the few videos on youtube that I did not have to fast forward. you should be a writer at Disney. Kepp up the great work.
Thanks dude!! What an incredibly sweet compliment :)
I'm not English and when you said 'Give Dash ADHD!' I confused it with Ptsd x))) Like some rest of the events of incredibles1. And you seemed so proud of it, I was like daang you reeally like seeing theses characters in mental breakdown 👀
And great video ! I love this formula, and all the idees in it! Thank you a lot for your work and hope to see more 🔥
You could be a movie writer🤔
Keep up the good work 🐱
That’s actually my goal hahah
@@DannyMotta oh cool I would watch your movies
AGREED, DASH DID NOTHING IN THIS MOVIE
This is MCU levels of neglect towards a character with super speed 🥲
See I always wondered why I liked Incredibles 1 better and I only really liked Violet’s plot in the second...you’ve essentially explained all of my thoughts to me thank you 😂
During the development of the first film the villain was supposed to be a guy named Xerek who was Elastigirl’s ex boyfriend who was obsessed with her maybe he could be the villain you talked about and be just be re worked. Like he could be someone who she saved but in the process didn’t save his wife and then He blames her and becomes obsessed with her and becomes the riddler/joker type villain you mentioned. Just a thought though awesome video.
What I would have loved to see is them tackling a very complex matter - somebody who does bad things in the name of good.
Basically give the movie a villain that constantly displays that the government is incompetent and the police failing while the superheroes are their biggest asset. This would have been an interesting challenge - the heroes have a chance to get legalized again if the public realizes that their current protectors fail them; so they have to ask themselves whether to accept the help of a villain doing bad things for a good reason or to stop the villain.
Sometimes it feels the movie wanted to go that direction but things were ultimately edited out
I was disappointed the moment I figured out the villain. It was so painfully obvious that I got bored while watching the movie in theaters.
Incredible 1 with all its heavy topics like suicide, murder, hella death in the film, would totally get cancelled if it were released today and that really sucks because we’re not gonna get complex and relatable movies like back in the day
17:05 This reminded of Red Rush (the Flash copy from Invincible) and how he had problems with his relationship because everything was so slow to him. For Dash it would be that literally all of his teachers were the slow ones that make you fall asleep when they talk.
i love this video
They killed dash for me. Constant yelling is annoying
I forgot who but someone did a great rewrite of screenslavers motivation to further solidify her distaste for superheroes and peoples reliance on them.
Not everyone likes jojo's bizarre adventure because they think it's weird but I would love to see you react to it, your reactions are priceless🔥🔥
Disney/Pixar is going through a pretty rough patch right now in terms of quality, so while I would like to see an 'Incredibles 3' at some point, I'd prefer they wait another few years.
That being said, what would I want? I think I'd want them to go up against someone who wasn't directly tied to them. Syndrome was a deranged superhero fanboy; Screenslaver was hated superheroes - there's not much more to be done with that theme. I'd like to see the family go up against a more traditional, money-and-power based supervillain - or, better yet, let's have our cake and eat it, too. Have them go up against a traditional supervillain FAMILY.
Picture this. There's been a timeskip (which I agree with you needs to happen), and the kids are taking more active roles. Jack-Jack is now the 'Dash' of the family, the hyperactive little kid (I would tone down the all-the-powers business, making that more of a super-baby thing that goes away as you get older - but still let him keep one or two powers that are really, REALLY powerful, like laser-vision that could blow up a mountain if he's not careful; something like that, so he's still a handful); Dash himself is kind of like a 'Johnny Storm' type, a cocky teenager who's maybe a LITTLE too full of himself, and Violet is going to community college, but still living at home. Bob and Helen are staying a bit more in the background these days, with Helen usually being a bit more of a 'mission coordinator', keeping everyone connected through a camera/microphone set-up, while Bob still goes out into the field to play backup. Frozone also still helps out from time to time when he can, but he's recently started focusing on climbing the corporate ladder (we never did find out what his job was, and he seems fairly well off, so it's not too implausible), so he can't always make it.
Bob is struggling with the fact that he's now in late middle age, and just can't handle the action stuff the way he used to - he's just a little bit too old to just work out a lot and make a comeback, like he did in the first film. Sure, he's still a superhero, and he loves being a superhero, and he loves that his kids are superheroes, but all he really wants to do is get back into the thick of the action again, and he can't really do that anymore. What's more, Dash and Violet are growing a bit apart from him, as kids tend to do when they get older and start having lives of their own; Helen just doesn't want to go through all this business again, and he worries that their marriage might be in trouble, and his relationship with Frozone has started to go downhill lately because he thinks he recognizes some of the soulless corporate attitude in him that made his life so miserable in the first movie (and secretly, Frozone himself is a little worried that Bob might have a point). His relationship with Jack-Jack (though just 'Jack' now) is still good, since his youngest hero-worships his dad, and often acts as his 'sidekick', but he's worried that he's not living up to his son's elevated image of him (especially since Jack himself is now vastly more powerful than he is).
Overall, poor ol' Bob is just not doing too well at the moment. Fortunately, he finds a new pal - another guy about his age who he runs into on the golf course or something, and gets into a conversation with. This guy (let's call him 'Al') also has a family, and relates completely to what Bob tells him about his own. Bob thinks he may have run across another superhero, though, of course, he can't just ask him outright about it. (I'd have it be, not only incautious, but a major social faux pas to directly reveal your secret identity - society still has some issues from back in the 'superheroes were illegal' days.)
So the two families start hanging out, and they get along like a house on fire. They have barbecues together; Dash gets a major crush on Al's daughter, etc. Both families, though, are just a little cagey with the other about certain aspects of their lives, and Bob figures that this is proof positive that they're both super-families. A good thing, too, because a legendary villain team has recently been tearing up the city, and the Incredibles could use the help. (Frozone is of little help there, because he's super-miffed with Bob right now - Al is a major rival of his at work, and he feels hurt that his oldest friend is taking his enemy's side.)
You can probably guess where this is going, right? Yep. It turns out that, when Bob finally confronts Al about teaming up together, that Al and his family are, in fact, supervillains. THEY'RE the Team Evil that's been raiding Metroville, and now that they know that the Parrs are actually the Incredibles, the scene is set for a major showdown. Except that both sides now regard the other as friends. What's to be done?
I think you could get into some really interesting territory with a premise like that. Growing old, father-son relationships, friendships getting strained with time, teenage problems - and, of course, the age-old hero/villain dichotomy. I would throw in lots of little conversations between the two families that show the difference between their two viewpoints: they both believe in keeping their families safe and doing what's best, but it turns out that while Bob believes in doing the right thing for both his family and the community, Al believes in doing the right thing for his family and loved ones first and foremost, which for him means making sure they're sitting pretty with as much money and power as possible. The two positions are actually pretty close in some ways, but there are important differences - some good stuff to chew on there, I'd say.
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It was really cool to hear your thoughts on this movie, and what they could had added to it. Though I think why some themes were dropped were due to production issues, things behind the scenes, that kind of stuff (like with any great movie that gets a sequel) and how they wanted to go about it. Also, I'm going to be a devil's advocate in saying that I (and probably others) would like to know what your fave moments/characters in the first and second movie of Indrectibles are, and what you'd like if they do make a 3rd Incredibles movie. My fav character is Edna because she is perfect in both films and no one will change my mind on that.
I feel like dash needed more overall attention in the whole movie because it just seems that he didn’t get enough screen shots
Your ideas are really good!! ❤
Actually, there is a theme: how the story stretches its flat plot to fit Elastigirl and no one else.
Your suggestion to have made Dash struggle with ADHD and wanting to avoid letting his power be what defines his self worth legit spoke to me. I was diagnosed with ADHD at 17 (my dad never got evaluated so we had no idea it was in the family), but up until then, I wondered what was wrong with me and why I couldn’t focus on anything in school.
I was known as the artist of my family and class; I spent so many years letting that define who I was since it was all I knew I was good at. Then, when I was 16, I met someone who helped me realize that my artistic abilities was only one of my skills, and that I had much more to offer. Now, as someone in college, I’m finally medicated, getting good grades, and studying to become a forensic psychologist.
To summarize, had Pixar done what you just suggested, it would have made him incredibly relatable and impactful to me, and so many other kids and adults who were struggling, or had struggled in the past, with similar experiences.
Sorry but is it banana fish ending theme at the back ground. I was so distracted by it that I can't focus after 11:17
Edit: 13:05 Omg and now its sasageyo. I was trying to ignore the music but I can't unhear it lol
(I love your music preferences btw)
Incredibles 2 was one of the most disappointing sequels ever. So sad.
One thing that both movies have in common is that the main villain never has powers, I think for the third movie having a actual super powered individual be the bad guy is a good idea because it would allow for them to be able to actually just beat up the main characters and make them more intimidating. Also as far as we’ve seen there hasn’t been any real SUPER villains, only SUPER hero’s. Like isn’t it strange that EVERY single person with powers just HAPPENS to be a hero.
Am I the only one who finds it weird that after banning heros, villains didn't just make them regret it?
I dont quite have the words to describe how deeply satisfying your commentary and clear delight in breaking down narratives and themes is.
And now I want to write a fanfiction based around your plot edits.
Love when you get deep into this stuff
I remember watching this for the first time with my cousins and we were all equally as disappointed in this movie over the entire plot and how the characters don't get much development at all. Not saying it's a horrible movie, far from it, but it should've strived for more.
"and how the characters don't get much development at all"
I remember that differently.
The characters did get developed but it just didn’t feel earned.
Oh my god THANK YOU. As someone that has always cherished the first Incredibles as one of my favourite movies (animated or otherwise), the second one was good...but something was missing I couldn't quite articulate. So thank you for hitting five consecutive nails right on the head and also coming up with solutions so good, I feel robbed of the Incredibles 2 that could have been. Incred-...I mean, amazing video x
I love the Sword Art Online opening playing softly in the background in lofi form. Nice choice :)
A wasted opportunity was to give Dash a new power. I mean Violet has 2 (invisibility and force fields) and JackJack is a plot device with diapers.
Imagine he could clone by going so fast there are multiple of him.
Or just do something with the character unlike in the real movie.
Glad I’m not the only one whose dad is always forgetting how old his kids are😅
1:09 The existence of Terminator 2 proves this statement incorrect
Danny Motta: The Incredibles is the darkest Pixar movie ever.
WALL-E: I'm a joke to you?
I honestly thought the movie would have been better with Bob also being a hero, instead of just staying home. I feel like he didn't have a real part in the story. He just feels sidelined
Did anyone else notice on the first movie at the beginning when Mr Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone were doing interviews Mr. Incredible said it would be nice if he could settle down and have a family while Elastigirl said she wouldn’t want to quit. Then when supers were forced into hiding Bob is the one who wants to be a hero again while Helen doesn’t
I think we were a little to harsh with this film compared to garbage like Velma in HBO
When…when did I compare it to Velma…?
3:30 Unfortunately the movie never reached the dramatic-heights- as the plane crash scene pun intended
Disappointing is a better way to put it. I see people calling it horrible all the time and to that, I do not agree. But it wasn't remarkable, and it certainly was not a worthy successor to the incredible (pun acknowledged but not intended) movie it came from.
Gosh yes! All your ideas are such a gold mine of potential!
I think the second was good and didn't feel like a soulless cashgrab, but there defienly could have been more. It was kinda like a oneshot in a series - something to chew on between the next big installment. But who knows, maybe if there's a third it'll nail the soul and themes without the "haha social commentary" vibes that the Screenslaver felt like it more or less embodied
I agree with every change. There was something missing. Took inspiration from the Dark Knight. Relatable.
I just notice he has an eyebrow more to the side than the other and I cant unsee it now. Btw great video!
I did actually like the second move but I do agree with EVERYTHING you said. They should have focused more on Helen’s flexibility symbolism. Have her fail to save Evelyn’s parents in the beginning of the movie and have that be Evelyn’s motivation to become a villain. Have Helen be pushed by Screen Slaver (Brain Teaser is a better name if we’re going down this path) and have her finally fail once to save another person after several attempts from the villain
Have Evelyn and Winston’s relationship be more strained because he’s willing to forgive Helen when Evelyn isn’t. Have the final dilemma be between saving Bob and saving the kids. The eternal question for Incredibles 2 shouldn’t have been “Is technology bad for you?” But rather “How much are you willing to sacrifice for your loved ones?”
(And like…..if we’re REALLY gonna mirror Bob’s story……have more tension between Helen and Evelyn-)
I think this movie gets way too much hate. If it wasn’t hyped to the point it was I’m sure it would have been MUCH better received
Im just... wow. Dude your hilarious tiktoks got me into your channel but like.... WELL THOUGHT, IN DEPTH ANALYSES OF AMAZING MOVIES, SHOWS AND GAMES???? THAT SHIT GOT ME S T A Y I N G DUDE! Your stuff rules man :)))
Ok I’m super new to this channel (I originally found you from your sk8 the infinity tiktoks-perfection btw) but I LOVE your anime reactions. I think you’d enjoy reacting to the Haikyuu dub!
Welcome to the fam!
The dash and his super speed making it difficult to focus on stuff reminds me of My Hero Academia and how powers usually have an affect on the person’s personality. One guy says that “powers should be accepted, is a nice message, but more often then not it affects a persons personality which the would is willing to accept.” Which I thought was pretty cool.
I would actually like a Incredibles TV series dealing with more supers maybe exploring the history of how supers came about was it a my hero academia situation where somome was just born with powers one day? I think this could be a focus of maybe a third movie like Bob is sent back in time and he has to team up with you parents who were supers themselves maybe even some of the first. Or it could be the focus of a first season and the rest of the family is trying to get Bob back to their time and things keep changing. We find out at the end of the first season that the time line was been very damaged and now in season two the family is going to have to fix everything. This is just an idea though, but it is stupid I know"
This was a fantastic analysis. Well done
If it's not as good as the first one then how did this gross 1 billion dollars in theaters? This is Pixars highest grossing film yet.
lol just because people paid to see it doesn’t make it a god movie
Mr. Incredible doesn’t have superhuman strength, but superhuman endurance which has the side effect of giving him superhuman strength. This is shown in the test short where he’s paying more attention to his wife defending parenthood to the point of nearly blowing their cover, and not to the steel butcher knife he’s cutting meat at the cookout with. He brings down the blade onto his fingers and a lady screams in horror, snapping him back to the reality that he bent the steel around his fingers, so he has to quickly find ketchup and throw the damaged knife away so nobody realizes they are retired superheroes. Back to the Dash lesson you were mentioning, he could teach his son that he isn’t super strong by intentionally trying to chop his fingers off with a steel butcher knife to the detriment of his blade. Then, he could say that he has his limits, showing the tungsten omnidroid scar that he got in the cut from the last film. Then show Dash that the important thing is to know your limits, but look to surpass them beyond what you think is possible, and that the way to do that isn’t always the easiest or the most obvious way of to do things. Case in point, Bob couldn’t figure out his son’s math because they changed it, but he doesn’t give up. He figures out why it changed, the differences between the two systems and how to translate his math skills to the homework. Dash And Bob figure out how Dash thinks through trial and error, and they eventually get Dash to pass the test, adding to Bob’s arc of learning to be less stubborn by stubbornly flexible by looking for a different perspective on things like, for instance, his family. Plus, Dash could help Bob with this using his ADHD, using turning his inability to stay focused on one problem into the ability to chip away at a bunch of small parts of problems of a bigger goal.
Also, I came up with this Venn diagram of their roles based on D&D:
Bob
* Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank".
* Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS".
* Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance.
Helen
* Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank".
* Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS".
* Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class.
Violet
* Defender: A class specialized in taking hits well, such as by having high armor class and hit points. The goal of the defender is to be the target of enemy attacks, protecting the rest of the party. In popular video game terminology, this is known as a "tank".
* Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance.
* Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class.
Dash
* Striker: A class specialized in dealing high damage to an individual target; a concept known in video games "DPS".
* Controller: A class specialized in effects which damage or hinder multiple enemies; "crowd control" or "CC", in better-known video game parlance.
* Leader: A class specialized in healing or otherwise supporting allies; a "healer" or "support" class.
I can tell that this was not Brad Bird's original idea. To me, it feels like somebody threatened him to alternate the tone and story a bit since the first movie was "dark", "mature", or "violent" according to some parents.
I just wanna see Gazerbeam, Gamma Jack and Macroburst in action. Atleast we got Voyd literally the memorable one.
They were killed by Syndrome.
You may be late with this video but I haven’t even seen the second movie 😎
You only missed out on some great visuals. Beyond that you missed nothing.
two incredibles videos??? damn ty danny 😊
I just remember being disappointed that they made the underminer such a small part of the movie, but thats probably because my brother and i loved the rise of the underminer game for the xbox so much
One thing that annoyed me in this movie was that the underminer was only used as a connecting piece, like seriously they could have kept the underminer and worked with that instead of the stupid screenslaver………..
Learning more about the series with Xerex being the villain in the second one could do something better than Screenslaver. Xerex was connected to her and could be a massive threat.
The Incredibles 2 should have been them grown up. As soon as I got home from watching the first one, I couldn't wait to see Dash all grown up with super speed in the second one.......but I cry instead
if they make a 3rd movie i could picture in it would be a group of villains that mirror the incredibles
It’s been a while since I’ve watched this movie so bare with me cuz I’m going off of my memory here but I think in the movie there was a brother and sister with the sister being the villain. I remember as an early teen watching the movie and being convinced that the brother was the villain solely because the sister would be too obvious considering she was always ominously in the shadows and the brother had just as much motive (something I also predicted because it was obvious). But no, it was just the obvious one. I think if they wanted the surprise villain thing, they should have made it significantly more subtle along with everything Danny said in this video. I get that it’s a kids movie but this one definitely felt more patronising when I watched it
I definitely enjoyed watching the second one more in theaters (not really a fair comparison I don’t remember the first time I watched the first one) but the first one will always be my favorite. The soundtrack, the themes, how everything just overlaps and fits together nicely, the action and superheroes, how you don’t appreciate all that until you’re older. My two favorite Disney movies both happen to be superhero ones, the incredibles, and big hero 6... which you should definitely check out. It takes place in a mix of San Francisco and Tokyo, has beautiful animation, amazing characters, is emotional and dark, and it’s about some tech geniuses so I guess I’m bias since I’m interested in engineering. I checked out your channel and I think you would like it