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That initial conversation makes me feel that they may have been sufficiently impaired to be unable to determine that they were too impaired to fly safely
But my understanding is that they were functioning reasonably normally during takeoff prep. Is there any evidence that cognitive impairment from food poisoning can suddenly kick in without any other symptoms such as vomiting or other gastrointestinal signals?
@@maxm2639at least for me, if I’m impaired I can do simple tasks just fine, but when more complex actions are required then it becomes obvious I’m impaired.
Either that or whatever was in that food took a bit longer to really hit them hard. I've been in cases where I've started working for six or more hours a little impaired from bad food. Only to suddenly have it hit the point of no return and end up totally jacked for the next day fully impaired.
I think you're right. It happens to me that after more than an hour of not feeling well I start to realize what's going on, fortunately when it happens I'm usually at home doing nothing and not flying a plane 😢😢
@MentourPilot needs a grammy. Nobody in modern times has done more to educate the general public on aviation. I've learned so much from him over the years.
They are sometimes abit too technical for me to understand completely but I do like the simpler explanations he gives afterwards as I can better understand those :) - im one of those people who don’t really have an interest in flying bc I’m scared of it. So theese explanations of what happened and why it went wrong are actually quite calming :)
Honestly it sounds to me like the first officer might have also been incapacitated. If he was fully aware of what was going on at some point you would think he would have cried out in sheer terror even if he was 100 confident that the captain was doing all he could. The fact that he rode that plane silently into the sea without even an "Oh shit" says to me he didn’t fully know what was going on either.
It seems so obvious to me that they must have been drugged; not necessarily in their food, but maybe in something they drank, and for completely unknown reasons. The comparison to weed is so telling if true, because (for me at least) certain amounts of that also make me feel like my thinking and reactions are normal until it becomes obvious via external cues that they are anything but.
Recently, at work (software), a team has implemented sound cues to the project they work on. I told them we should also have visual cues because when we are under stress, our brain does not process sound cues alone well enough. They argued, and I told them the story of the Airbus redesigning the Stall alarm after the AF447 by adding visual cues. We are now having them in the product.
At some point, any warning system can simply become part of the 'sensory overload.' I wonder, as a pilot, if we couldn't have a 'visual' indicator of aircraft attitude that is so fundamentally recognizable that we instinctively react, without having to think. For example. What if the 'blue' sky and 'green/brown' earth were projected across the entire instrument panel? Would that create an intuitive sense of where the horizon is that requires no 'thinking?' ...
@@gcorriveau6864 In today's AI environment this would be a no-brainer. Using a nice livery graphic and some GPS coordinates, a reasonable resolution image of the aircraft position relative to ground, horizon and sky would be very achieveable. Kind of worrying I've not heard of this being looked at already.
Heavily agree, sound can easily add to confusion. It needs needs NEEDS to be noticble but not over power other potential warning sounds while not distracting from the situation which is very difficult. Visual indicators are always better since as long as you put them in different places they won't have the same issues, use that with a TEMPORARY sound or touch focused indicator and that's how you alert someone.
@gcorriveau6864 I agree the others who mention AI. I think soon enough the pilots will have a full AI assistance including the monitor projecting their plane's position, altitute and attitude, and other info in real time akin to videogames.
@@MentourPilotGlad to hear this Petter. You know my experience with MH having founded a global mental health org and unfortunately what the public know doesn’t even scratch the service of the problems that exist with BetterHelp. Their small and fine print is still terrible and states that they cannot guarantee the therapists are qualified and that it’s your responsibility to verify them prior to any sessions. Yes the onus is on you to verify the therapist you booked is actually a qualified therapist. As well as the misleading/lying claims that they only office remote sessions and making it seem like all therapists work in-office only. Many offer telephone/video sessions like BetterHelp. It’s good to see you choose the right thing over money, as I’m well aware of how much they offer to promote them as given my background in MH, praise and award from Her Majesty The Queen with my accolade from her for ‘Services to the United Kingdom (mental health)’ and many brands/companies often don’t come close to how much BetterHelp is throwing at creators. I’ve always decline to work with them because of my morals and being fortunately enough that I don’t need their money.
That's a strange accident. Finding food at irregular hours in unfamiliar locations was always a weakness in the safety system imo, during my career. Pilot nutritional 'opportunities' should routinely be considered during these 'off duty' hours of a layover. I always carried a 'cup-o-noodles' and other snack food as a final backup plan when nothing else was available.
@@peterdieleman303In 1975, those recommendations came around after nearly 200 people got sick on a Japan Airlines flight. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead of breakfast omelettes and were able to make an emergency landing.
I had watched Air Crash Investigation as a kid. And have been following Peter since the days he sat on a couch with his 2 dogs to the current set of videos rivaling any documentary I saw on National Geographic Channel. This channel has come a long way A sincere thanks from an aviation enthusiast from India
Thank you Petter for this upload. Perhaps a trivial thing, but i really appreciate your wording when you mention if the viewers found the video interesting instead - as some say - if they enjoyed it. For me, it shows respect to the seriousness of the subject and those who might personally relate to it.
Food poisoning is no joke. In entertainment, "the show must go on". I was a supervisor/operator for a show, got food poisoning. *Chugged a bottle of Pepto over the next 4 hours, working with $250k worth of gear in/around millions of dollars of Ceremonial Police Motorcycles and 200' above the audience near the top of a stadium. Nausea, blurry vision and some induced vertigo - but got through the show! Passed out in the office after finishing paperwork (which was almost unreadable). *NEVER chug Pepto! The next few days SUCK!
I have a connection to this one as well through being Ethiopian (I moved to the USA in 2008 when I was just three years old). Thank you for ignoring the silly theories that it was shot down and what not. As always, your videos are a 10/10 Petter!
I personally have a theory in connection with this flight, especially concerning the food they ate: What struck me is that the captain didn't just say the food was bad or he felt sick, he asked if there was weed in it. He also implied that those symptoms happened *after* he ate the food, not during. He was most likely experiencing neurological symptoms like mania, nausea or even mild hallucinations/psychosis. Now it would be news to me that it was common in Lebanon to mix weed into foods, and even if, the active ingredient, THC, should've been mostly out of their system by this point. However there is one condition that does happen after eating a certain type of spoiled food which does produce neurological as well as gastrointernal symptoms: Ergotism. Especially since the alkaloids from ergot poisoning compound on top of sensory stimuli instead of replacing them. The noise and light from the thunderstorm, the high intensity of the takeoff procedure, being stimulated by hundreds of lights and indicators on the screens could kick a mild ergot poisoning into overdrive. It's not provable for sure, but given what has happened I don't think it's that unlikely that either just the captain or perhaps both him and the FO were suffering from ergotism on this flight.
Isn’t ergotism really rare though? Not a doctor but I was under the impression people stopped regularly getting ergotism like hundreds of years ago when we got better at food storage.
@@welcometohell2495 It is pretty rare nowadays but I actually had a really similar case in my family. My mother used to be a flight attendant for Lufthansa and back in the early 90s the FO on a flight from Karachi to Frankfurt had some mild dizziness, but nothing too severe. In flight he started getting some very serious sensory impairments and hallucinations which prompted them to do an emergency landing in Tehran, were doctors actually confirmed ergot poisoning as the cause. Luckily nothing bad happened since either the FO wasn't pilot flying, or he handed controls to the Captain as soon as he realised something was wrong, but the description my mother gave me of the event is so similar that this immediately came to mind!
Fun fact the Salem witch trials was caused by mass ergotism throughout the community from their tainted rye fields. Everyone decided those ladies were witches because they were tripping
I googled the flight, saw it had no survivors, and after a few moments of fearing that Mentour Pilot is a ghost making youtube videos, I realized he meant the route, not that specific flight
This is the only Ethiopian Airlines crash I know of that was directly caused by pilot error. Normally, Ethiopian Airlines is one of the safest airlines in Africa.
@privateer0561 Maybe try fixing your Ignorance, they're 54 different countries In Africa and their planes aren't made of wood. Stop generalising all their airlines like that
So, when I was learning to fly ultalights, our school had this one Rans S-6 that nobody liked to fly. There wasn't anything really wrong with it. It was just old and rattly and it had a bunch of annoying little gremlins. It also stank (literally stank. It was fabric covered). But then one day I heard it had crashed. Apparently the carbon fibre prop had delaminated shortly after takeoff while an instructor was up with a student. The landing options beyond the runway at that airfield were not great, and they still had some thrust, so the instructor decided to do a 180 and land back at the field. They almost made it, but they caught a wire right at the edge of the field. That wire was in a neighbouring farm, and didn't seem to have much purpose. The airfield owner believed it was a spite wire, but I don't really know. Anyway, they came down hard and the student got minor injuries. Instructor was fine. The airplane was _very_ bent. I saw it afterword and that airplane had become a sculpture. I don't blame the flight school. Like I said, the airplane had a bunch of gremlins, like elevator trim that wouldn't stay put, but nothing was really wrong with it, and it's very unlikely that a developing failure in a carbon fibre structure would be detectable just by looking at it or touching it. Months later, I'm in the office/shack, somewhat bored, and I see the logbook of that old Rans. Mildly curious, I turn to the last page and look at the very last entry, and my name is next to it. That prop failed on the very next flight. I missed that ride by less than an hour of engine time.
I strongly suspect that there is a good chance both pilots were suffering from subtle incapacitation. it would explain why the pilot monitoring was making routine responses, but not taking the initiative to assist in recovery. the particular evidence in my mind was the captain calling go around, and the first officer confirming; when they were nowhere near an appropriate situation for that callout.
I have a similar feeling. I used to go on the Herald of Free Enterprise car ferry many times, when it sank I felt more of a connection with the incident, and I now use it in training courses ❤
Same with me and the Manchester Arena bombing. Was there at a show the night before, and then as the victims being named included some local people and students at my old college.
Once I suffered from vertigo caused by food poisoning. I got up from the bed and very nearly fell over - I had to hold on to the wall to keep from falling off the earth.
Sounds to me the first officer too suffered from subtle incapacitation given that he did not intervene and did not respond to the captain after a clear ask for help. He may have been so confused and terrified with everything that was happening, the noise, the g-forces, the rain, pitch black outside, stick shaker, bank angle warnings etc. that he was totally overwhelmed and that he simply froze. Very sad story indeed.
Oof seeing at the start how it looks when you're following the flight director really helps drive home how much it unravels as the flight goes on and those little lines are nowhere near the rectangle. The way the simulator footage helps us understand both the aircraft and the situation of the pilots is so important ❤ The graphic at 35:30 is really effective especially... I've had exactly that kind of visual disturbance when I've felt really ill before and the thought of that feeling coming over you in the captain's chair of an airliner is so terrifying. I can't imagine how it would've felt for you, looking into this and realising you'd sat in that seat. Also, I can't express enough how much I appreciate the way you deal with differentiating info from the final report and your own opinions and theories. Your insight is so valuable, and even more so because you're so clear about when you're giving it. Thank you for always dealing with these incidents with so much respect and empathy ❤
Wow, another feature-length Mentour video! I think I speak for many viewers when I say how impressed I am that, despite being 2x or 3x in length, these feature-length deep dives more than live up to the fantastic Mentour quality that we've come to know and love on this channel! Thank you, Petr!
I had a severe turbulence event in a plane out of Laguardia. A plane you did a video on was parked at the gate next to mine the very same day of my departure, as i verified with the tail number
This is why we should call in sick when we are not feeling well. I wish companies were more lenient about sickness and wouldn't scrutinize their employees about staying home to recover.
In the 1960:s or 70:s(?) there was in Sweden an outbreak of some sort, don't readilly recall the bug causing it, but there is an interesting announcement made on TV(black&white) by the then doctor-in-lead, made at the end of an interview on the matter. The message is made quite clear. In translation: "If you feel ill, you should consider yourself a danger to society, and stay at home." "You should consider yourself a danger to society..." How many today, can motivate themselfs to do?
It is such a pleasure to watch a video put together by an expert and someone who took time and pride in getting the content correct. So many videos are crap. Yours are always very professional in content and presentation.
I wish you could talk to the media as an industry expert after an aircraft incident takes place. The news media often gets the facts confused. Your attention to every detail in your videos is very commendable!
"media often gets the facts confused" it's obvious when we know the particular subject ... now apply that to every single thing they report on, worrying isn't it.
his attention to detail can only come after the incident final report is out months or years later. the news media is usually all over the place the hour after the incident. if he starts speaking to media at that kind of timing, he'll fall into the same.
Thanks for this one, Peter.. That must have been truly haunting to discover a bird you had sat in met such an ignominious fate. Godspeed to all on board.
Kudos to the first officer for being able to be at the cockpit at 23. I have always wondered, though, whether a 23 year old pilot is emotionally ready for an emergency such as this. Or whether this large age difference affects the ability of the younger person to intervene. There was an almost identical situation involving a Kenya Airways 737, a 51 year old captain and a 23 year old first officer flying out of West Africa in a thunderstorm.
A brilliant analysis of this tragic event. I always thought it was standard policy that a Pilot and FO never have the same meal before or during a flight but perhaps that only applies to food served in-flight?
Ironically, five years before the movie, there was a mass food poisoning on a Japan Airlines due to contaminated breakfast omelets that caused nearly 200 people to get sick. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead due to their biological clocks still being on Alaska time. That allowed them to make an emergency landing and save everyone. That led to airlines starting to make sure crews and passengers be given different meals.
Thank you for the amazing content and detailed storytelling. As an Ethiopian, I really appreciate the effort you've put into this. I'm starting my flight training soon, and I'm confident that your videos will be helpful along the way. The amount of aviation knowledge I'm gaining isn't just impressive. Keep up the great work! Tack så mycket! ;)
I watched the Aircrash investigation version of this crash some time back. As always, thanks for all the additional information you provided, Petter. It is unfortunate that an autopsy of the pilots couldn't be done to provide further clarification on the possible role played by adverse effects of any food consumed.
Agreed. It would be really interesting to see what substances they had (I'm not casting aspersion I mean in general) ingested. We'll never know but I suspect some street food, slightly over done on nutmeg and also maybe more portions as they were hungry combined to give nutmeg poisoning.
This reminds me of a time, I was suffering from a stomach bug, and I had an attack of the sicks while going 110 km/h on the highway. Feeling like being stabbed in the gut, sweating bullets trying to keep control in traffic while praying not to sh.. yourself is really no fun at all. Having that go off while flying a plane in bad weather is beyond me. They should have called it quits the moment they felt something wrong after eating. Remember you'll have to do your thing while keeled over in pain trying not to erupt from both ends. "Not so subtle" incapacitation, it is.
Your videos have sparked the biggest interest in me to fly more and I honestly would love to become a pilot! Thank you for all the knowledge you share with us! 🎉❤
Thanks for all the fine details. This just shows no matter how great a plane or flight crew you have, when you are that 'incapacitated' by something like a double health issue (food poisoning & no/bad sleep), they turn into 'zombies' with the first signs off serious problems. "Dizzy" "weed in the food?", these are instant signs of "STOP!", call for backup even though it causes a lot of "hassle" with your managers... yeah easily said, but a 100% understandable.
This must have been a terrifying 5 minutes for the passengers on board, it’s really scary to think of pilots in a panic not being able to fly as they have been trained to do 😔
Either severe food poisoning or that they got drugged, that both of them stopped being "normal" is a pretty tell tale sign if you ask me. Nothing else really makes a lot of sense in this case. I would also lean towards food poisoning due to the time frame.
This explains it well. A very bad case of food poisoning. In fact, bacterial food poisoning can cause extreme tiredness, loss of reflexes and malaise to set in much before the vomiting and intestinal distress begins. It's just not possible to do anything requiring concentration in this state.
My wife told me a long time about a book called The Gift of Fear, which as I recall had to do with paying attention when there are odd little warning signs, the type that in hindsight suggested you might have been in danger. It wasn't about flying, and I haven't read it, but I wonder if training might also emphasize more how offhand comments and slightly unusual feelings might be treated with a little more concern, sort of like what I call a little yellow light on the dashboard, and especially for people doing things flying aircraft, performing surgery, etc. Maybe it already is. What a sad story, but informative and as always beautifully and thoughtfully done. Thank you.
The Gift of Fear is about women who become victims of violence by men, and how to trust your instincts when someone feels sketchy (and not to trust things like your dog seemingly liking someone, as that doesn't mean the person is safe). But people are naturally far more attuned to observe latent aggression and malevolent intent than subtle incapacitation. While a lot of things seem like indications of something going wrong in hindsight, it becomes very difficult to operate in real life if you start to analyse every offhand comment and joke. And those suspectible to anxiety will tend to interpret harmless things as threatening, which isn't the end of the world if it means that you leave a date early because it felt off, but you can't really not fly everytime something feels remotely off. At what point you should start paying attention to something being off is a difficult balance.
It adds an eerie component that you had flown this very aircraft that came to meet such a tragic end. It is hard for the human ego to admit that one is just not quite up to standards, to go into denial, and to continue a very demanding job, which carries the possibility of such catastrophic consequences for so many people. Better to err on the side of caution. The sad words "If Only" come to mind.
Very high level of storytelling and video editing. Special thanks to the video editor for the soundscape and animations and overall editing. That heartbeat sound was spot on.👌🏼
The fact that you flew and worked on the accident plane, sounds like a heartbreaking moment to you. Like part of you is gone when you heard about this accident
I remember first seeing this accident on the twelfth season of Mayday Air Disaster series. I personally would never have expected that you flew this very plane before the accident. I bet it gave you chills in a way that can't even be described.
This was a horrifying rollercoaster ride to death, which I felt viscerally -- as a sickening sensation of dread in my guts -- from the moment they left the tarmac in your gripping, extremely detailed and utterly professional visual presentation and verbal account of what transpired. The quality of your videos has become astounding, Petter, and you and your team deserve an award for your work. Also kudos to you for the quality of your English. As a former teacher of English to speakers of other languages (TESOL), I hereby pronounce you a MASTER of English, summa cum lauda!
As always, a superb job - especially considering your history with that aircraft. For some reason I was under the impression that the pilot and copilot were not supposed to eat the same meal. I have no idea where or when I heard that, but is was decades ago.
This is so heartbreaking to watch 😭. I feel for that captain, dealing with all that chaos while his FO seems to have checked out of the situation. But seriously, should I be worried that I can almost tell what to do to recover from a stall before Petter says it. I have definitely been watching a lot of mentour pilot. Thanks for the premium, top tier and educational content 💯
Amazing quality as always! finding out a plane you have flown has crashed must really suck! As a PPL pilot i cant imagne seeing the little PA28 that I fly in pieces. Let alone make a video about it. I love your videos, and keep up the amazing work you and your team do! I'll see you at the next upload :D
The thing with the Captains comments about the food is how specific they where, you would think if it was food poisoning you would hear comments about a bad stomach, urgent/constant need for the toilet and other remarks. Asking "was there weed in it?" seems very oddly specific, did they visit a café where something like that was sold, was it someones "recreational" packed lunch? It's just really odd that anyone complaining about a meal would instantly jump to that, rather than stomach or toilet issues.
I wonder if he might have said wheat and meant issues with a gluten intolerance? That makes so much more sense to me than not being able to sleep because of weed, I’d expect weed to have the opposite effect.
My thoughts exactly...there are many things I might say about food that had made me sick, "Was there weed in it?!" is not one of them. Also, if I couldn't sleep because of food poisoning, I wouldn't just say that I couldn't sleep, I'd remark that I had been on the toilet or puking all night or something. Could it have been something like nutmeg or another psychedelic spice, perhaps? I know there are some types of mold that can produce LSD-like compounds (ergot alkaloids) as well that would be very stimulating and make it impossible to sleep on top of psychedelic effects.
Yup I was expecting a digestive issues problem. There's another commenter who thinks they might have had something that was spiked because it was so strange
@@hanooda80I got accidentally narced on nutmeg once (in combination with alcohol) before I knew about it’s effect and let’s just say it was an interesting night. Fortunately no driving or flying was involved.
I agree. The absolute darkness and double vision was making me feel claustrophobic and disoriented while sitting on my sofa with my dog! Everytime they simulate the experience, it helps understand pilot incapacitation more fully.
Following you from long time. You have given us a content I would even pay to watch for, but seeing this on this platform is more than wish being fulfilled for aviation fan like me. Asking you to cover about the unsafe flying condition in Nepal. Thank you.
Having been sick not at work but at school before, I kind of get the sort of disorientation that was going on. I mean, if I could hardly focus (admittedly as a child but still) in a near-perfect environment for it (quiet, well-lit, all that stuff) with no safety-critical tasks on my plate, I can only imagine it's so much worse, even without the natural lack of focus a child tends to have. On an only slightly related note, I think this channel cured my fear of flying. I plan on moving to Norway from the US, which involves a pretty long trip (13ish hours) by plane, involving multiple planes, and I've actually gotten excited by the idea that I may end up taking a turboprop plane for the final leg (there are options not to, but Idk, I'm kind of weirdly partial to taking a Dash-8, I think they're rather lovely planes). Before finding this channel and bingeing all the accident/incident videos, I was terrified and figured I'd try just taking Benadryl or something (not ideal, I know, but I figured a singular off-label use was better than my blood pressure spiking every time the plane shook a little) and sleeping through it since passenger ships just aren't a viable option nowadays (yes, I looked lol, that's how scared I used to be), but now I don't really feel much anxiety about the idea of getting on an airplane. Knowing what's going on in the cockpit has really helped me and even encouraged me to potentially try out a flight simulator to get even more of a feel for things. I've found myself learning to spot airports on Google Maps and noticing interesting things like American runways being a bit weird (the whole 4 versus 04 thing really threw me off, I don't know why America just has to be different) and spotting airports without ATC towers (there's one in the town my mom's family is from, which makes sense since it's tiny and has a larger airport in a nearby town, though "larger" here is relative).
"How do you feel tonight?" "Watch my fingers a bit, I didn`t sleep that good." "Let`s use automation as soon as possible tonight. That gives us capacity to manage the CBs...." Excellent video!!!! ...got goosebumps.
Har inte kollat på dina videos på länge förs ens ikväll, och så precis efter ja såg klart på 'Delta 1086' så 'droppa' du denna :) Perfekt timing! Behövde en bra dokumentär idag, tack Petter och crew❤
Thank you for the effort you put in while producing these amazing videos. They are very much interesting and informative. I hope you'd one day make a video on the 2012 Dana air crash in Nigeria.
As always looking forward to this video (still watching it), and has really hit home, as I had a couple friends on this flight who were connecting in Addis to home. As someone who is an ET frequent flyer and really fascinated and proud to have such a well run airline on our continent, I hope to see a video about their history and management to where they are now as Africa's number one airline on your Mentour Now channel!
@@Cersilaria22 yes look up nutmeg poisoning, how little you need to start experiencing effects, what the effects are. Then consider that some Lebanese food is made with Levantine spices one of which is nutmeg. Much more plausible than actual deliberate poisoning or drugging
@ I just looked it up and you are right also the effects of poisoning increase rapidly at higher elevations this m makes most sense, thank you for the info, your smart 💜
Fascinating video as always. Do modern or safer airlines have protocols in place for when an pilot is obliged to call in sick? Six basic symptoms of food poisoning include nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, weakness, headaches, fever, and stomach pain and cramping. A pilot cannot be expected to diagnose the reason for these symptoms without lab results, but s/he can self-diagnose the symptoms themselves, and let's say, if two or "x" of the symptoms are present, he must call in sick until a doctor can diagnose the cause. Anyway, thank you for your incredibly instructive videos.
All airlines have procedures for crew getting sick, such as on standby backup crew. Obviously if a pilot is experiencing any symptom of an illness they have to call in sick, it's not like they can just go home in the middle of the flight if they aren't feeling well and get someone else to fly the plane, it's too much of a risk to take. Which to me means these pilots were feeling mostly ok, certainly not in pain or having a fever.
I watch your videos and i remember a similar Brazilian Channel of a fellow pillot as well called "Lito", his channel is called "Aviões e músicas" and besides himself, you are the only one who talk about it in a way very easy to understand because you've got to experience such. I am brazilian as well, and i find myself every late afternoon watching your videos to spend time with while eating, all with content that would improve my focus, and hability to comprehend more of common and proper english. Also, is good to understand that mistakes build up to a chain like system, leading to the unfortunate end. Every single thing we do has a purpose, matter and a consequence. Everything we do today that we consider safe was written down by a survivor or a spectator of an horrible event. Never hurry, saving minutes sometimes is not worth. Grateful for your videos.
Your videos has inspired me try to fly a ultralight airplane (Savannah) and the first time, i had to give input was a little scarry. I had asked to be flown over my old school nearby, and i was told that was ok, but i would not be allowed to give any input, as it was in a military zone. I was holding my hand on the stick to absorb the input. While i was looking outside and on the instruments, the airplane suddenly started banking to the left and begain dropping from 1200ft at a rate of 100ft/sec. I found out, that my instructor had promised his wife a photo from the plaine, if he would ever come over this area, so me realising i was sitting in a plane in turbulence while my instructor was taking pictures through the side window. I decided that it would be around the right time for me, to learn myself how to fly a plane. After 6-8 seconds of me flying, i asked him, if he has doing something, or it was turbulence. His responde "it's turbulence, and climb up to 1200ft and hold it steady". As a side note. I will be starting my pilot training in the spring.
@@MentourPilot Thanks for your inspiration, and to make the story a little more awkward. I live in Scandinavia, and was looking for was a trip for myself to Legoland, but the price was so high, that it made me look for something else. When i found out, that i was able to try to pilot a plane instead it was a no brainer, and i was convinced by some lovely people to become a pilot. So by pure luck and your inspiration my planned trip to Legoland ended up in a slightly different direction.
It sounds like they had some sort of food poisoning. These were solid pilots who were known to do their jobs well. They're not just going to suddenly become stupid. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned as a major contributing feature of the crash.
I am a regular viewer of your video contents from Ethiopia. I'm always impressed by how contents are researched, analysed, and presented. Keep up the excellent work @MentourPilot
Kind of seems like the first officer was passing in and out of consciousness? If you've got bad food poisoning or you're really sick and you're in a warm, dark place, maybe he was drifting off. Responding now and then when the captain's instructions were loud or urgent enough?
15:28 as an Uber driver now for 7.5 years, I know this feeling. I learned VERY early on to never operate a vehicle when I'm not on my B game. That's operating at 80% efficiency from a mental awareness standpoint on the road. Anything less and I'm jeopardizing everyone's safety on the road- from missing highway exits and navigation instructions, and a lack of awareness to blind spots, etc. In comparison, when I normally drive, I'm at an A rating or 90-100% efficiency in terms of my mental awareness on the road. I learned that it's in everyone's best interests to stay home or even cancel a ride when I'm not operating at a minimum level of efficiency. It seems these pilots decided to "wing it" despite their confirmation they were mentally impaired because of their previous dinner and lack of rest. HUGE RED FLAGS. If I heard that conversation on the radio (I realize they didn't) from a supervisor standpoint, I would have grounded their flight immediately.
@@eadweard. I don't see it as an aircraft crash channel - more an aircraft incident channel, some of which end badly. It would be interesting to know how many of Petter's videos do end in fatalities or crashes and how many are non-crash learning opportunities.
I have seen from your videos that you are very detailed in you discussion on the subject in your video. This show your knowledge in this space and it is very impressive.
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That initial conversation makes me feel that they may have been sufficiently impaired to be unable to determine that they were too impaired to fly safely
But my understanding is that they were functioning reasonably normally during takeoff prep. Is there any evidence that cognitive impairment from food poisoning can suddenly kick in without any other symptoms such as vomiting or other gastrointestinal signals?
Yup. They were too far gone to even determine how far they were gone.
@@maxm2639at least for me, if I’m impaired I can do simple tasks just fine, but when more complex actions are required then it becomes obvious I’m impaired.
Either that or whatever was in that food took a bit longer to really hit them hard. I've been in cases where I've started working for six or more hours a little impaired from bad food. Only to suddenly have it hit the point of no return and end up totally jacked for the next day fully impaired.
I think you're right. It happens to me that after more than an hour of not feeling well I start to realize what's going on, fortunately when it happens I'm usually at home doing nothing and not flying a plane 😢😢
@MentourPilot needs a grammy. Nobody in modern times has done more to educate the general public on aviation. I've learned so much from him over the years.
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Thank you!
@MentourPilot no thank you for these videos and all you hard work.
They are sometimes abit too technical for me to understand completely but I do like the simpler explanations he gives afterwards as I can better understand those :)
- im one of those people who don’t really have an interest in flying bc I’m scared of it. So theese explanations of what happened and why it went wrong are actually quite calming :)
Agreed! 👍🏻
Honestly it sounds to me like the first officer might have also been incapacitated. If he was fully aware of what was going on at some point you would think he would have cried out in sheer terror even if he was 100 confident that the captain was doing all he could. The fact that he rode that plane silently into the sea without even an "Oh shit" says to me he didn’t fully know what was going on either.
It seems so obvious to me that they must have been drugged; not necessarily in their food, but maybe in something they drank, and for completely unknown reasons. The comparison to weed is so telling if true, because (for me at least) certain amounts of that also make me feel like my thinking and reactions are normal until it becomes obvious via external cues that they are anything but.
@@BlueCyannyes perhaps they were acually drugged. Certain substances sertainly have that incapicitating effekt.
Yes I was also thinking they might have been drugged.
@@BlueCyannThey probably had a grasshopper...
This was probably a terrorist attack, the drugs were the weapons of choice of the terrorists
Recently, at work (software), a team has implemented sound cues to the project they work on. I told them we should also have visual cues because when we are under stress, our brain does not process sound cues alone well enough. They argued, and I told them the story of the Airbus redesigning the Stall alarm after the AF447 by adding visual cues. We are now having them in the product.
nice
At some point, any warning system can simply become part of the 'sensory overload.' I wonder, as a pilot, if we couldn't have a 'visual' indicator of aircraft attitude that is so fundamentally recognizable that we instinctively react, without having to think. For example. What if the 'blue' sky and 'green/brown' earth were projected across the entire instrument panel? Would that create an intuitive sense of where the horizon is that requires no 'thinking?' ...
@@gcorriveau6864 In today's AI environment this would be a no-brainer. Using a nice livery graphic and some GPS coordinates, a reasonable resolution image of the aircraft position relative to ground, horizon and sky would be very achieveable. Kind of worrying I've not heard of this being looked at already.
Heavily agree, sound can easily add to confusion. It needs needs NEEDS to be noticble but not over power other potential warning sounds while not distracting from the situation which is very difficult. Visual indicators are always better since as long as you put them in different places they won't have the same issues, use that with a TEMPORARY sound or touch focused indicator and that's how you alert someone.
@gcorriveau6864 I agree the others who mention AI. I think soon enough the pilots will have a full AI assistance including the monitor projecting their plane's position, altitute and attitude, and other info in real time akin to videogames.
So glad to see a sponsor other than BetterHelp or a VPN. Cheers to media literacy!
I’ve left BetterHelp months ago.. on your request
@@MentourPilotwe appreciate that. Good on you for listening to your audience
@@MentourPilotGlad to hear this Petter. You know my experience with MH having founded a global mental health org and unfortunately what the public know doesn’t even scratch the service of the problems that exist with BetterHelp. Their small and fine print is still terrible and states that they cannot guarantee the therapists are qualified and that it’s your responsibility to verify them prior to any sessions. Yes the onus is on you to verify the therapist you booked is actually a qualified therapist. As well as the misleading/lying claims that they only office remote sessions and making it seem like all therapists work in-office only. Many offer telephone/video sessions like BetterHelp.
It’s good to see you choose the right thing over money, as I’m well aware of how much they offer to promote them as given my background in MH, praise and award from Her Majesty The Queen with my accolade from her for ‘Services to the United Kingdom (mental health)’ and many brands/companies often don’t come close to how much BetterHelp is throwing at creators. I’ve always decline to work with them because of my morals and being fortunately enough that I don’t need their money.
That's a strange accident. Finding food at irregular hours in unfamiliar locations was always a weakness in the safety system imo, during my career. Pilot nutritional 'opportunities' should routinely be considered during these 'off duty' hours of a layover. I always carried a 'cup-o-noodles' and other snack food as a final backup plan when nothing else was available.
Thank you for the great suggestion. I am just about to join my first airline as a trainee FO, and ill remember this.
id hope the airline would feed their staff too
Wouldn’t it also be wise to at least eat different meals?
Viral food poisoning/noro-virus has an incubation time of 24-48hrs.
Stick with deep fried food. It is not be healthy and may kill you in decades to come, but not the following day.
@@peterdieleman303In 1975, those recommendations came around after nearly 200 people got sick on a Japan Airlines flight. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead of breakfast omelettes and were able to make an emergency landing.
I had watched Air Crash Investigation as a kid. And have been following Peter since the days he sat on a couch with his 2 dogs to the current set of videos rivaling any documentary I saw on National Geographic Channel. This channel has come a long way
A sincere thanks from an aviation enthusiast from India
HE HAS DOGS AND HES NOT SHOWING THEM
STRIKE
WE MUST STRIKE
AUDIENCE STRIKE!
I'd like a follow-up on the dogs. Their expressions at times were priceless.
The dogs were great! The new videos are much more professional and still fantastic but yes, I miss the dogs 😄
Aaaww, I loved those two dogs....
I remember those days as well he's come a long way since then. Just a friendly reminder he spells his name as Petter. 💯🇺🇸
Thank you Petter for this upload.
Perhaps a trivial thing, but i really appreciate your wording when you mention if the viewers found the video interesting instead - as some say - if they enjoyed it. For me, it shows respect to the seriousness of the subject and those who might personally relate to it.
Food poisoning is no joke. In entertainment, "the show must go on". I was a supervisor/operator for a show, got food poisoning. *Chugged a bottle of Pepto over the next 4 hours, working with $250k worth of gear in/around millions of dollars of Ceremonial Police Motorcycles and 200' above the audience near the top of a stadium. Nausea, blurry vision and some induced vertigo - but got through the show! Passed out in the office after finishing paperwork (which was almost unreadable).
*NEVER chug Pepto! The next few days SUCK!
As someone with IBS, you drink pepto often enough you get *very* used to the next few days effect lol
@@welcometohell2495thing is the only symptoms they mentioned were CNS not digestive ❤
Another member of "We Sleep When We Die Productions." Been there. Continue breaking legs.❤
I just found your channel last week, and I've already watched so much of your videos, they are literal perfection!
Thank you for the great content.
You're welcome!
The simulation graphics are just getting better and better, the production team is hitting it out of the park. Thank you Petter.
When I heard you say that this meal will be a very important factor, I am ashamed to admit that I thought to myself “I wonder if they ate the fish?”
Somebody else had Lasagna
Surely you were not the only one to think that.
I thought it was going to be an ad for Factor! It's a home meal delivery company 😅
My immediate thought was the chili, but then I am a fan of Thunderbirds.
@@nikopursiainen9097Alright, I'll do it. Don't call him Shirley!
I have a connection to this one as well through being Ethiopian (I moved to the USA in 2008 when I was just three years old). Thank you for ignoring the silly theories that it was shot down and what not. As always, your videos are a 10/10 Petter!
I personally have a theory in connection with this flight, especially concerning the food they ate:
What struck me is that the captain didn't just say the food was bad or he felt sick, he asked if there was weed in it. He also implied that those symptoms happened *after* he ate the food, not during. He was most likely experiencing neurological symptoms like mania, nausea or even mild hallucinations/psychosis.
Now it would be news to me that it was common in Lebanon to mix weed into foods, and even if, the active ingredient, THC, should've been mostly out of their system by this point.
However there is one condition that does happen after eating a certain type of spoiled food which does produce neurological as well as gastrointernal symptoms: Ergotism. Especially since the alkaloids from ergot poisoning compound on top of sensory stimuli instead of replacing them. The noise and light from the thunderstorm, the high intensity of the takeoff procedure, being stimulated by hundreds of lights and indicators on the screens could kick a mild ergot poisoning into overdrive.
It's not provable for sure, but given what has happened I don't think it's that unlikely that either just the captain or perhaps both him and the FO were suffering from ergotism on this flight.
Interesting!
Isn’t ergotism really rare though? Not a doctor but I was under the impression people stopped regularly getting ergotism like hundreds of years ago when we got better at food storage.
That actually makes a lot of sense. It certainly seems more plausible than both being drugged.
@@welcometohell2495 It is pretty rare nowadays but I actually had a really similar case in my family. My mother used to be a flight attendant for Lufthansa and back in the early 90s the FO on a flight from Karachi to Frankfurt had some mild dizziness, but nothing too severe. In flight he started getting some very serious sensory impairments and hallucinations which prompted them to do an emergency landing in Tehran, were doctors actually confirmed ergot poisoning as the cause. Luckily nothing bad happened since either the FO wasn't pilot flying, or he handed controls to the Captain as soon as he realised something was wrong, but the description my mother gave me of the event is so similar that this immediately came to mind!
Fun fact the Salem witch trials was caused by mass ergotism throughout the community from their tainted rye fields. Everyone decided those ladies were witches because they were tripping
Dang that is crazy that you flew that plane.
Ethiopian Airline is great. Trust me
Not crazy, just a coincidence.
@@stevemawer848coincidences doesnt exists
@@stevemawer848a crazy coincidence
I googled the flight, saw it had no survivors, and after a few moments of fearing that Mentour Pilot is a ghost making youtube videos, I realized he meant the route, not that specific flight
This is the only Ethiopian Airlines crash I know of that was directly caused by pilot error. Normally, Ethiopian Airlines is one of the safest airlines in Africa.
Given the safety record of African airlines in general, that isn't saying much.
Thats like Mussolini was the most caring dictator
@privateer0561 not good generalizing the whole continent like that.
@privateer0561 Maybe try fixing your Ignorance, they're 54 different countries In Africa and their planes aren't made of wood. Stop generalising all their airlines like that
Not just in Africa. It's one of the safest in the world. Considering the fleet size and how long it's been in business. 80 year now.
So, when I was learning to fly ultalights, our school had this one Rans S-6 that nobody liked to fly. There wasn't anything really wrong with it. It was just old and rattly and it had a bunch of annoying little gremlins. It also stank (literally stank. It was fabric covered).
But then one day I heard it had crashed. Apparently the carbon fibre prop had delaminated shortly after takeoff while an instructor was up with a student. The landing options beyond the runway at that airfield were not great, and they still had some thrust, so the instructor decided to do a 180 and land back at the field. They almost made it, but they caught a wire right at the edge of the field. That wire was in a neighbouring farm, and didn't seem to have much purpose. The airfield owner believed it was a spite wire, but I don't really know. Anyway, they came down hard and the student got minor injuries. Instructor was fine. The airplane was _very_ bent. I saw it afterword and that airplane had become a sculpture.
I don't blame the flight school. Like I said, the airplane had a bunch of gremlins, like elevator trim that wouldn't stay put, but nothing was really wrong with it, and it's very unlikely that a developing failure in a carbon fibre structure would be detectable just by looking at it or touching it.
Months later, I'm in the office/shack, somewhat bored, and I see the logbook of that old Rans. Mildly curious, I turn to the last page and look at the very last entry, and my name is next to it. That prop failed on the very next flight. I missed that ride by less than an hour of engine time.
Lady luck loves you!
These accident reports or what you wanna call them are so much better than the ones on discovery channel.
Tack så mycket för dessa utmärkta videos!
I strongly suspect that there is a good chance both pilots were suffering from subtle incapacitation. it would explain why the pilot monitoring was making routine responses, but not taking the initiative to assist in recovery. the particular evidence in my mind was the captain calling go around, and the first officer confirming; when they were nowhere near an appropriate situation for that callout.
That is possible
I've been watching your channel for a few years, and your content is always...absolutely fantastic!
I have a similar feeling. I used to go on the Herald of Free Enterprise car ferry many times, when it sank I felt more of a connection with the incident, and I now use it in training courses ❤
Same with me and the Manchester Arena bombing. Was there at a show the night before, and then as the victims being named included some local people and students at my old college.
Once I suffered from vertigo caused by food poisoning. I got up from the bed and very nearly fell over - I had to hold on to the wall to keep from falling off the earth.
Sounds to me the first officer too suffered from subtle incapacitation given that he did not intervene and did not respond to the captain after a clear ask for help. He may have been so confused and terrified with everything that was happening, the noise, the g-forces, the rain, pitch black outside, stick shaker, bank angle warnings etc. that he was totally overwhelmed and that he simply froze. Very sad story indeed.
I was thinking the same thing. It seems like the first officer might have been even more incapacitated than the pilot.
Yeah, my thought was that the fight, flight, freeze, fawn took over and freeze was the response his brain went to.
They were probably sick as dogs and utterly terrified.
You can't expect to do anything rational when you're in that state.
Oof seeing at the start how it looks when you're following the flight director really helps drive home how much it unravels as the flight goes on and those little lines are nowhere near the rectangle. The way the simulator footage helps us understand both the aircraft and the situation of the pilots is so important ❤
The graphic at 35:30 is really effective especially... I've had exactly that kind of visual disturbance when I've felt really ill before and the thought of that feeling coming over you in the captain's chair of an airliner is so terrifying. I can't imagine how it would've felt for you, looking into this and realising you'd sat in that seat.
Also, I can't express enough how much I appreciate the way you deal with differentiating info from the final report and your own opinions and theories. Your insight is so valuable, and even more so because you're so clear about when you're giving it. Thank you for always dealing with these incidents with so much respect and empathy ❤
Wow, another feature-length Mentour video! I think I speak for many viewers when I say how impressed I am that, despite being 2x or 3x in length, these feature-length deep dives more than live up to the fantastic Mentour quality that we've come to know and love on this channel! Thank you, Petr!
I had a severe turbulence event in a plane out of Laguardia. A plane you did a video on was parked at the gate next to mine the very same day of my departure, as i verified with the tail number
Which one?
Ok and… did it crash?
@@ryanlittleton5615Not sure, but it was about an Ebraums plane, same model as the one I was flying
@@bravefastrabbit770 no?
You had turbulence? @@HumbleHonkingEnthusiast
This is why we should call in sick when we are not feeling well. I wish companies were more lenient about sickness and wouldn't scrutinize their employees about staying home to recover.
In the 1960:s or 70:s(?) there was in Sweden an outbreak of some sort, don't readilly recall the bug causing it, but there is an interesting announcement made
on TV(black&white) by the then doctor-in-lead, made at the end of an interview on the matter. The message is made quite clear. In translation:
"If you feel ill, you should consider yourself a danger to society, and stay at home."
"You should consider yourself a danger to society..."
How many today, can motivate themselfs to do?
It is such a pleasure to watch a video put together by an expert and someone who took time and pride in getting the content correct. So many videos are crap. Yours are always very professional in content and presentation.
I wish you could talk to the media as an industry expert after an aircraft incident takes place. The news media often gets the facts confused. Your attention to every detail in your videos is very commendable!
The facts are less important than clicks and viewers for the news media anyway
"media often gets the facts confused" it's obvious when we know the particular subject ... now apply that to every single thing they report on, worrying isn't it.
Except that the "facts" aren't usually known until after the investigation report. Before that it's just speculation.
his attention to detail can only come after the incident final report is out months or years later. the news media is usually all over the place the hour after the incident. if he starts speaking to media at that kind of timing, he'll fall into the same.
Thanks for this one, Peter.. That must have been truly haunting to discover a bird you had sat in met such an ignominious fate. Godspeed to all on board.
Kudos to the first officer for being able to be at the cockpit at 23. I have always wondered, though, whether a 23 year old pilot is emotionally ready for an emergency such as this. Or whether this large age difference affects the ability of the younger person to intervene. There was an almost identical situation involving a Kenya Airways 737, a 51 year old captain and a 23 year old first officer flying out of West Africa in a thunderstorm.
A brilliant analysis of this tragic event. I always thought it was standard policy that a Pilot and FO never have the same meal before or during a flight but perhaps that only applies to food served in-flight?
The classic movie Airplane! comes to mind.
Ironically, five years before the movie, there was a mass food poisoning on a Japan Airlines due to contaminated breakfast omelets that caused nearly 200 people to get sick. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead due to their biological clocks still being on Alaska time. That allowed them to make an emergency landing and save everyone. That led to airlines starting to make sure crews and passengers be given different meals.
@@Powerranger-le4up Maybe the movie was a reference to that.
You are amazing and the way you explain is outstanding, your perspective is holistic and transparent. Really amazing work
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 409
Thank you for the amazing content and detailed storytelling. As an Ethiopian, I really appreciate the effort you've put into this. I'm starting my flight training soon, and I'm confident that your videos will be helpful along the way. The amount of aviation knowledge I'm gaining isn't just impressive. Keep up the great work! Tack så mycket! ;)
That’s great to hear! Fly safe!
The best part in the visuals is that the aircraft is in an upset condition, but the coffee in the cupholder is steady and not spilling!
I watched the Aircrash investigation version of this crash some time back. As always, thanks for all the additional information you provided, Petter. It is unfortunate that an autopsy of the pilots couldn't be done to provide further clarification on the possible role played by adverse effects of any food consumed.
Agreed. It would be really interesting to see what substances they had (I'm not casting aspersion I mean in general) ingested. We'll never know but I suspect some street food, slightly over done on nutmeg and also maybe more portions as they were hungry combined to give nutmeg poisoning.
This reminds me of a time, I was suffering from a stomach bug, and I had an attack of the sicks while going 110 km/h on the highway.
Feeling like being stabbed in the gut, sweating bullets trying to keep control in traffic while praying not to sh.. yourself is really no fun at all.
Having that go off while flying a plane in bad weather is beyond me.
They should have called it quits the moment they felt something wrong after eating. Remember you'll have to do your thing while keeled over in pain trying not to erupt from both ends.
"Not so subtle" incapacitation, it is.
Your videos have sparked the biggest interest in me to fly more and I honestly would love to become a pilot! Thank you for all the knowledge you share with us! 🎉❤
This is FANTASTIC to hear, thank you and go for it!
I always find it fascinating to realize how quickly these incidents happen when explaining the issues takes so long.
I have been working in the galleys of that aircraft. Chilling story that rings home
Thanks for all the fine details. This just shows no matter how great a plane or flight crew you have, when you are that 'incapacitated' by something like a double health issue (food poisoning & no/bad sleep), they turn into 'zombies' with the first signs off serious problems. "Dizzy" "weed in the food?", these are instant signs of "STOP!", call for backup even though it causes a lot of "hassle" with your managers... yeah easily said, but a 100% understandable.
This must have been a terrifying 5 minutes for the passengers on board, it’s really scary to think of pilots in a panic not being able to fly as they have been trained to do 😔
Either severe food poisoning or that they got drugged, that both of them stopped being "normal" is a pretty tell tale sign if you ask me. Nothing else really makes a lot of sense in this case. I would also lean towards food poisoning due to the time frame.
This explains it well. A very bad case of food poisoning.
In fact, bacterial food poisoning can cause extreme tiredness, loss of reflexes and malaise to set in much before the vomiting and intestinal distress begins.
It's just not possible to do anything requiring concentration in this state.
Your channel is fabulous. For me the best aviation channel in the world. Greetings from Portugal ! 👍🇵🇹🙂
And British Columbia, Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you very much!
Fantastic job Petter!!! Excellent work, Happy holidays to you and your family!
My wife told me a long time about a book called The Gift of Fear, which as I recall had to do with paying attention when there are odd little warning signs, the type that in hindsight suggested you might have been in danger. It wasn't about flying, and I haven't read it, but I wonder if training might also emphasize more how offhand comments and slightly unusual feelings might be treated with a little more concern, sort of like what I call a little yellow light on the dashboard, and especially for people doing things flying aircraft, performing surgery, etc. Maybe it already is. What a sad story, but informative and as always beautifully and thoughtfully done. Thank you.
The Gift of Fear is about women who become victims of violence by men, and how to trust your instincts when someone feels sketchy (and not to trust things like your dog seemingly liking someone, as that doesn't mean the person is safe). But people are naturally far more attuned to observe latent aggression and malevolent intent than subtle incapacitation. While a lot of things seem like indications of something going wrong in hindsight, it becomes very difficult to operate in real life if you start to analyse every offhand comment and joke. And those suspectible to anxiety will tend to interpret harmless things as threatening, which isn't the end of the world if it means that you leave a date early because it felt off, but you can't really not fly everytime something feels remotely off. At what point you should start paying attention to something being off is a difficult balance.
It adds an eerie component that you had flown this very aircraft that came to meet such a tragic end. It is hard for the human ego to admit that one is just not quite up to standards, to go into denial, and to continue a very demanding job, which carries the possibility of such catastrophic consequences for so many people. Better to err on the side of caution. The sad words "If Only" come to mind.
Very high level of storytelling and video editing. Special thanks to the video editor for the soundscape and animations and overall editing. That heartbeat sound was spot on.👌🏼
The fact that you flew and worked on the accident plane, sounds like a heartbreaking moment to you. Like part of you is gone when you heard about this accident
Yeah.. it was a very strange feeling
I remember first seeing this accident on the twelfth season of Mayday Air Disaster series. I personally would never have expected that you flew this very plane before the accident. I bet it gave you chills in a way that can't even be described.
I can't imagine how eerie it must feel to be reporting on the crash of a plane you have personally flown. Thanks, as always for the superb content!
The flight controller was awesome. The poor first officer was so dizzy and lightheaded that he could not even respond. May they rest in peace.
This was a horrifying rollercoaster ride to death, which I felt viscerally -- as a sickening sensation of dread in my guts -- from the moment they left the tarmac in your gripping, extremely detailed and utterly professional visual presentation and verbal account of what transpired. The quality of your videos has become astounding, Petter, and you and your team deserve an award for your work. Also kudos to you for the quality of your English. As a former teacher of English to speakers of other languages (TESOL), I hereby pronounce you a MASTER of English, summa cum lauda!
As always, a superb job - especially considering your history with that aircraft.
For some reason I was under the impression that the pilot and copilot were not supposed to eat the same meal. I have no idea where or when I heard that, but is was decades ago.
This is so heartbreaking to watch 😭. I feel for that captain, dealing with all that chaos while his FO seems to have checked out of the situation.
But seriously, should I be worried that I can almost tell what to do to recover from a stall before Petter says it. I have definitely been watching a lot of mentour pilot. Thanks for the premium, top tier and educational content 💯
Amazing quality as always! finding out a plane you have flown has crashed must really suck! As a PPL pilot i cant imagne seeing the little PA28 that I fly in pieces. Let alone make a video about it. I love your videos, and keep up the amazing work you and your team do! I'll see you at the next upload :D
The thing with the Captains comments about the food is how specific they where, you would think if it was food poisoning you would hear comments about a bad stomach, urgent/constant need for the toilet and other remarks. Asking "was there weed in it?" seems very oddly specific, did they visit a café where something like that was sold, was it someones "recreational" packed lunch? It's just really odd that anyone complaining about a meal would instantly jump to that, rather than stomach or toilet issues.
I have a feeling that the food has nutmeg
I wonder if he might have said wheat and meant issues with a gluten intolerance? That makes so much more sense to me than not being able to sleep because of weed, I’d expect weed to have the opposite effect.
My thoughts exactly...there are many things I might say about food that had made me sick, "Was there weed in it?!" is not one of them. Also, if I couldn't sleep because of food poisoning, I wouldn't just say that I couldn't sleep, I'd remark that I had been on the toilet or puking all night or something. Could it have been something like nutmeg or another psychedelic spice, perhaps? I know there are some types of mold that can produce LSD-like compounds (ergot alkaloids) as well that would be very stimulating and make it impossible to sleep on top of psychedelic effects.
Yup I was expecting a digestive issues problem. There's another commenter who thinks they might have had something that was spiked because it was so strange
@@hanooda80I got accidentally narced on nutmeg once (in combination with alcohol) before I knew about it’s effect and let’s just say it was an interesting night. Fortunately no driving or flying was involved.
I love the use of camera movement and visual effects to simulate the pilots' condition and what they were most likely seeing (and what not).
I agree. The absolute darkness and double vision was making me feel claustrophobic and disoriented while sitting on my sofa with my dog! Everytime they simulate the experience, it helps understand pilot incapacitation more fully.
Following you from long time. You have given us a content I would even pay to watch for, but seeing this on this platform is more than wish being fulfilled for aviation fan like me. Asking you to cover about the unsafe flying condition in Nepal. Thank you.
Having been sick not at work but at school before, I kind of get the sort of disorientation that was going on. I mean, if I could hardly focus (admittedly as a child but still) in a near-perfect environment for it (quiet, well-lit, all that stuff) with no safety-critical tasks on my plate, I can only imagine it's so much worse, even without the natural lack of focus a child tends to have. On an only slightly related note, I think this channel cured my fear of flying. I plan on moving to Norway from the US, which involves a pretty long trip (13ish hours) by plane, involving multiple planes, and I've actually gotten excited by the idea that I may end up taking a turboprop plane for the final leg (there are options not to, but Idk, I'm kind of weirdly partial to taking a Dash-8, I think they're rather lovely planes). Before finding this channel and bingeing all the accident/incident videos, I was terrified and figured I'd try just taking Benadryl or something (not ideal, I know, but I figured a singular off-label use was better than my blood pressure spiking every time the plane shook a little) and sleeping through it since passenger ships just aren't a viable option nowadays (yes, I looked lol, that's how scared I used to be), but now I don't really feel much anxiety about the idea of getting on an airplane. Knowing what's going on in the cockpit has really helped me and even encouraged me to potentially try out a flight simulator to get even more of a feel for things. I've found myself learning to spot airports on Google Maps and noticing interesting things like American runways being a bit weird (the whole 4 versus 04 thing really threw me off, I don't know why America just has to be different) and spotting airports without ATC towers (there's one in the town my mom's family is from, which makes sense since it's tiny and has a larger airport in a nearby town, though "larger" here is relative).
"How do you feel tonight?"
"Watch my fingers a bit, I didn`t sleep that good."
"Let`s use automation as soon as possible tonight. That gives us capacity to manage the CBs...."
Excellent video!!!! ...got goosebumps.
Hi captain 🎉 i have watched all your videos 😊 thank you sir for the great work 👍
Another stellar video by the Mentour team! Thumbs up.
Mentour is a King for this high Quality content, man.
i'm so fascinated by videos and explanations, sir thanks so much for your work.
Thank YOU for being here, supporting!
Loved this episode's deeper dive into flight characteristics! Great one!
Great to hear that you thought so
Har inte kollat på dina videos på länge förs ens ikväll, och så precis efter ja såg klart på 'Delta 1086' så 'droppa' du denna :) Perfekt timing!
Behövde en bra dokumentär idag, tack Petter och crew❤
Thank you for the effort you put in while producing these amazing videos. They are very much interesting and informative.
I hope you'd one day make a video on the 2012 Dana air crash in Nigeria.
Now this is a long one, will be interesting to hear your personal experience
The accident flight was exactly flown by mentour pilot before by previous employer before giving to Ethiopian airlines, to conclude his experience
Probably something like "Flew Heathrow to de Gaulle.. Nothing noteworthy happened."
As always looking forward to this video (still watching it), and has really hit home, as I had a couple friends on this flight who were connecting in Addis to home. As someone who is an ET frequent flyer and really fascinated and proud to have such a well run airline on our continent, I hope to see a video about their history and management to where they are now as Africa's number one airline on your Mentour Now channel!
As I have now completed watching the video it really brought tears to my face...but I hope it doesn't dissuade anyone flying Ethiopian Airlines
I hope people still understand that ET is the strong carrier in Africa and the World
Thanks again for the W video, I'm a big fan of your channel since about 2 years 😊
I was just wondering if you'll drop a video today, couldn't come with a better timing! Keep it up Peter!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Keep up the splendid work, always looking forward to your videos
it's absolutely awesome how these videos are what they are, thank you for your effort!
Glad you enjoy it!
The production quality is through the roof
This was such an interesting crash.
Autopilot was never set, pilots didn't react, ntsb said a heavy meal and fatigue caused it but idk.
I agree I think there’s more to it 💜
@@Cersilaria22agreed it wasnt a heavy meal, it was a meal heavy on nutmeg imho.
@ nutmeg ?? 💜
@@Cersilaria22 yes look up nutmeg poisoning, how little you need to start experiencing effects, what the effects are. Then consider that some Lebanese food is made with Levantine spices one of which is nutmeg. Much more plausible than actual deliberate poisoning or drugging
@ I just looked it up and you are right also the effects of poisoning increase rapidly at higher elevations this m makes most sense, thank you for the info, your smart 💜
Been watching your content for 1 year and still amazing that it keeps getting better vastly outperforming documentaries! ✈
I cannot imagine being a passenger on that plane. Those poor people. I mean, even the aircrew…that’s terrifying!
Thank you Mentour team! It's always great feeling to see your new episode online, put my headphones on and just enjoy & learn.
Fascinating video as always. Do modern or safer airlines have protocols in place for when an pilot is obliged to call in sick? Six basic symptoms of food poisoning include nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, weakness, headaches, fever, and stomach pain and cramping. A pilot cannot be expected to diagnose the reason for these symptoms without lab results, but s/he can self-diagnose the symptoms themselves, and let's say, if two or "x" of the symptoms are present, he must call in sick until a doctor can diagnose the cause. Anyway, thank you for your incredibly instructive videos.
All airlines have procedures for crew getting sick, such as on standby backup crew. Obviously if a pilot is experiencing any symptom of an illness they have to call in sick, it's not like they can just go home in the middle of the flight if they aren't feeling well and get someone else to fly the plane, it's too much of a risk to take. Which to me means these pilots were feeling mostly ok, certainly not in pain or having a fever.
For april fools day you should do the movie airplane in this style. I for one want to see the animation of the auto pilot .
We all know the consequence of both pilots eating the fish..
One of your most viscerally impactful videos for me.
A story MP has gone over is already interesting. But a story where MP actually has flown on it is crazy
I watch your videos and i remember a similar Brazilian Channel of a fellow pillot as well called "Lito", his channel is called "Aviões e músicas" and besides himself, you are the only one who talk about it in a way very easy to understand because you've got to experience such.
I am brazilian as well, and i find myself every late afternoon watching your videos to spend time with while eating, all with content that would improve my focus, and hability to comprehend more of common and proper english.
Also, is good to understand that mistakes build up to a chain like system, leading to the unfortunate end.
Every single thing we do has a purpose, matter and a consequence.
Everything we do today that we consider safe was written down by a survivor or a spectator of an horrible event.
Never hurry, saving minutes sometimes is not worth.
Grateful for your videos.
Crew resource management should emphasize the importance of disqualifying yourself as soon as you say, or even think, "I don't feel so good."
Your videos has inspired me try to fly a ultralight airplane (Savannah) and the first time, i had to give input was a little scarry. I had asked to be flown over my old school nearby, and i was told that was ok, but i would not be allowed to give any input, as it was in a military zone. I was holding my hand on the stick to absorb the input.
While i was looking outside and on the instruments, the airplane suddenly started banking to the left and begain dropping from 1200ft at a rate of 100ft/sec. I found out, that my instructor had promised his wife a photo from the plaine, if he would ever come over this area, so me realising i was sitting in a plane in turbulence while my instructor was taking pictures through the side window. I decided that it would be around the right time for me, to learn myself how to fly a plane.
After 6-8 seconds of me flying, i asked him, if he has doing something, or it was turbulence. His responde "it's turbulence, and climb up to 1200ft and hold it steady".
As a side note. I will be starting my pilot training in the spring.
Thank you for sharing! That’s awesome, fly safe!
@@MentourPilot Thanks for your inspiration, and to make the story a little more awkward. I live in Scandinavia, and was looking for was a trip for myself to Legoland, but the price was so high, that it made me look for something else.
When i found out, that i was able to try to pilot a plane instead it was a no brainer, and i was convinced by some lovely people to become a pilot.
So by pure luck and your inspiration my planned trip to Legoland ended up in a slightly different direction.
I never realised you had flown that same aircraft...talk about a major WTF moment for you....
That’s amazing you piloted that actual plane. Wow.
Proof that coincidences happen. 🙂
The possible food poisoning might have affected their central nervous system.
Possibly… if that was the case. We will never know
Interesting your investigation. It’s so much breathtaking. ❤
It sounds like they had some sort of food poisoning. These were solid pilots who were known to do their jobs well. They're not just going to suddenly become stupid. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned as a major contributing feature of the crash.
54:38 about to go in tears shows a deep attachment to that aircraft you flew in the past and sad feelings of the catastrophe !!!
God bless 🙏
I am a regular viewer of your video contents from Ethiopia.
I'm always impressed by how contents are researched, analysed, and presented. Keep up the excellent work @MentourPilot
Thank you!
South African here, support your view.. He talks about pilots no race.. Let me not digress
Kind of seems like the first officer was passing in and out of consciousness? If you've got bad food poisoning or you're really sick and you're in a warm, dark place, maybe he was drifting off. Responding now and then when the captain's instructions were loud or urgent enough?
15:28 as an Uber driver now for 7.5 years, I know this feeling. I learned VERY early on to never operate a vehicle when I'm not on my B game. That's operating at 80% efficiency from a mental awareness standpoint on the road. Anything less and I'm jeopardizing everyone's safety on the road- from missing highway exits and navigation instructions, and a lack of awareness to blind spots, etc. In comparison, when I normally drive, I'm at an A rating or 90-100% efficiency in terms of my mental awareness on the road. I learned that it's in everyone's best interests to stay home or even cancel a ride when I'm not operating at a minimum level of efficiency. It seems these pilots decided to "wing it" despite their confirmation they were mentally impaired because of their previous dinner and lack of rest. HUGE RED FLAGS. If I heard that conversation on the radio (I realize they didn't) from a supervisor standpoint, I would have grounded their flight immediately.
This accident was very preventable, as soon as I heard them joking about lack of sleep red flags went off in my brain
Well in fairness you're watching an aircraft crash channel.
@@eadweard. 😂
@@eadweard. I don't see it as an aircraft crash channel - more an aircraft incident channel, some of which end badly. It would be interesting to know how many of Petter's videos do end in fatalities or crashes and how many are non-crash learning opportunities.
I have seen from your videos that you are very detailed in you discussion on the subject in your video. This show your knowledge in this space and it is very impressive.
Thank you! Glad to hear that you appreciate it
I expected the meal in Lebanon to segue into a food delivery sponsorship.
Or maybe a Betterhelp ad for people who are currently living in Lebanon?
"If you don't want to wonder if your meal had weed in it, you should give today's sponsor a call: Factor!"
It’s nice to finally watch a Metour Pilot video, whilst also staring out the window onto the Beirut airport.