Can Surgery & Feelings Change Your Sex? | Spectrum Street Epistemology at Skeptic Conference
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Three men participate in a Spectrum Street Epistemology exercise after the Skeptic Conference in Santa Barbara, CA. The discussion begins with various claims related to transgender issues and the ability of individuals to change their sex. Later, the conversation delves into current societal views surrounding gender, with debates over the validity of self-identification in determining sex. Other topics include the role chromosomes and feelings play in gender identity, and more.
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0:00 Intro
1:45 Claims about transgender issues
14:20 Claims about identity
20:05 Claims about changing sex
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I think the type of people who equate feelings as the end all be all of existence are actually suffering from histrionic personality disorder.
This entire conversation is ridiculous. I can’t believe this is where we are in 2024.
Right? Especially when there are more serious & urgent matters today.
agreed. This whole conversation was painful to listen to.
Incompetence is no longer a satisfactory answer to what's going on. We didn't just woops our way into this. We need to come to terms with the fact we have been lied to by those in power and who we are supposed to be able to trust. Not that having power makes you trustworthy but we should have a say if we no longer trust the ones in power.
Im almost 5 mins in and i havent even heard the term "Bonus Hole"
@@Parrotgirl-Tattoo I actually think what is objectively real and what is made up BS is pretty important. But, that could just be me.
I'm with baldie. Just sayin'. He's like the only sane one in the bunch.
Its sad that something so basic & irrefutable is being debated & even risks punishment for wrong think in 2024.
He stood on neutral when asked if an adult female calls themselves a man whether that actually makes them a man. None of these three 'players' were knocking it out of the park.
@@Muonium1 you're right, i forgot that.
@@anynimus1617any interest in talking about this on my livestream?
What do you mean you don’t think someone can be a rhinoceros? Kind of ignorant
I apologise for my fellow Brit.
Don’t apologise for idiots. There is no excuse.
he is just thick
@@kismet256I cannot quite believe how thick he is … how can you live like a rhinoceros? Jesus wept …
It's alright, we know English is a second language.
@@charliecarpenter9802 he just doesn't seem to understand the questions and I could quite happily believe that English is not his first language, lol. To be fair, he is a Man City fan so ... well ....
Guy with glasses has no clue lol. He's the perfect product of TRA's running the conversation.
He's an 'artist' though, fee fees.
TRAs "ruining the conversation"
You are very correct! His hair style looks Woke. That hair style was a warning!
@@PoliticalRegalityI dont think hes the aggressive activist type, I think he just has a different view on it, I wouldnt put him under the woke label, for a start he conflates sex and gender together which is the opposite of most woke takes on this topic
@@jeffcapesNo they do conflate the two, they just put "gender identity" as a superior position, that is your gender identity defines your sex.
How can you hold the opinion of “even if I literally tattoo myself black, I can’t claim I’m black because I’ve never experienced being that” along with “if I have ‘affirmative surgery’ & live as a woman (i.e. do a rather stereotypical, borderline offensive portrayal of a woman) I can claim to be a woman”.
They’re sooooo close to squaring the circle yet so far.
Btw, as an adult human female, you CANNOT change sex, a man can never be a woman (nor a woman a man), and the suggestion you are a woman because you ‘live as one’ is fundamentally based on regressive sex stereotypes (no, I’m not a feminist but even I can see the blatant misogyny in this movement).
@@AP-tb2riLike wise, I haven't had six surgeries because I felt like a woman, I had them because I am a woman. Funny how they 'have periods' but don't get PCS, PCOS, fibroids, endometriosis, cervical cancer etc etc
It's such BS.
I would argue it leans more towards mysandry ironically. It is almost exclusively women who support this crap. For about 40 years we have had a plague of single mother households where young boys and girls hear a litany of male bashing on a regular basis. This is where it leads. Imo
“Living as a woman….”
Does that mean doing most of the housework????😂
@@louiseparker1915 oh boohoo. A job you can do in your pajamas. Go work on a construction site, an oil rig, or just work as hard as any man you work with, presuming you work.
For clarity, there are no human hermaphrodites. A hermaphrodite can produce both sperm and eggs, which has never been documented in human history (but does occur in some other species). The confusion arises because the term hermaphrodite has previously been used erroneously to describe disorders of sexual development (DSDs) which can sometimes result in ambiguous or undeveloped external genitalia. Also of note is that DSD's are almost exclusively sex specific, and people with them are still either male or female. Objectively speaking, humans can not change sex.
I would argue that they're exclusively sex specific, whether or not we can identify which sex is being affected is a different question. Even in people with a disorder that produces an ovotestis, if there is gamete it's only ever one type. In others when there are streak gonads the genes would give us a probable outcome at minimum and sometimes ovarian or testicular cells can still show up in those. Most of the time (in literature at least) malformed or even missing gonads leave clues.
First time I see someone describe this topic with any accuracy. Good!
It seems very trendy among activists to claim the relative small number of intersex specimens as contradictive proof of dichotomy in human sex. And it's sad to see this falsehood go overlooked almost everywhere. The claim is errenous because intersex - somewhat untrue to its name, does not describe a specimen which inbetween female and male. Intersex is a medical term for various forms of DSD, and like you suggest, these specimens are either exclusively male or exclusively female. Every single one of them (so far at least).
Isn't that where the term "sex assigned at birth" originated? When an intersex baby was born, their sex had to be 'decided' by the doctor, right? But the choice was still binary.
@@pwcinla "Sex assigned at birth" is simply activist propaganda. A medical doctor _knows_ the sex of the specimen. Once a new moon there's a level of ambiguity that confuses the doctor. One can easily remove any ambiguity with a test.
"there are no human hermaphrodites"
That's not quite true. Phenotypically, there have been a few documented cases of humans who exhibit both sets of primary sex characteristics, although they are exceedingly rare. There are also hundreds of thousands of people alive right now who are phenotypically male, but have XX allosomes, or are phenotypically female, but have XY allosomes. We don't have a good umbrella term for these (other than the vague "DSDs").
And it's not *only* the production of eggs or sperm that determine an individual's sex, since many people whom you would readily accept as being male or female _can do neither._ Some females with XX allosomes never produce eggs. Males with XY allosomes who have had their testes removed (say, due to cancer), cannot produce sperm. There are many other examples I could cite.
I don’t think I’ve rolled my eyes as much as I have whilst watching this. How did seemingly normal people become so delusional?
Fear of being ostracized by all the females in their lives
@@mwfmtnmanand they don't want to lose their jobs
When did these men become cowards? It’s honestly shocking!
G ovt schools
@@vickynolanmusicI trust no man that says a man can be a woman and vise Versa
1) There's no such thing as transition surgery. The surgery makes superficial changes to your body.
2) There's no social construct of "man" or "woman" that you can choose. Each individual stereotype is a social construct. E.g. Clothing, hairstyle, personality. We each choose a unique set of stereotypes, not "man" or "woman".
3) You can't "identify as" a man/woman because membership of the man/woman group is based on biology.
4) There's no evidence that there's a single "feeling" of man/woman. You know that you're a man/woman based on being aware of the biological evidence. And we each have individual feelings that only someone with the particular biology could experience. E.g. Male puberty, periods, pregnancy etc.
"There's no social construct of "man" or "woman" that you can choose. We each choose a unique set of stereotypes, not 'man' or 'woman'."
I doubt you could find even one actual domain expert (sociologist, behavioral psychologist, et al) who would agree with that statement.
"Man" or "woman" as a social construct is very contingent upon time and place, but there are absolutely norms that most people unconsciously model. Japan is perhaps the most clear-cut example of this, and society punishes anyone who strays too far from adopting the "appropriate" gender construct.
And not everyone in the world "chooses stereotypes", any more than everyone chooses to be a Democrat or a Republican. There are many people who are neither, by choice, or because they are unacculturated to either position, or for some other reason. Some are apolitical. Most live in parts of the world where those terms are meaningless.
"You can't 'identify as' a man/woman because membership of the man/woman group is based on biology."
You're mistakenly conflating "man" with "male" and "woman" with "female". They are *not* the same, and "man"/"woman" is *not* "based on biology" the way that "male"/"female" is. A newborn female is not "a woman"; a newborn male is not "a man". And what is a person who was born with de la Chapelle Syndrome, who has XX allosomes, but is phenotypically male, or a person born with CAIS who has XY allosomes, but is phenotypically female? There is no simple answer.
And second, "membership" in any group is ambiguous, and there are no authorities who are the agreed-upon gatekeepers, not even for "man" or "woman" (for "male" or "female", perhaps). Was the 40 year-old Michael Jackson black? Is Rachel Dolezal "black"? Who says? Is every person living in the US an "American"? -- how about if they came here _illegally?_ So claiming that "man" or "woman" is some easy determined binary is simply not a tenable position, except as sociopolitical talking points.
@@bricologythat’s a very eloquent way of dancing around an issue. Everyone in human history has pretty much known what a man or a woman is (hint: it is based on our biology). That’s why we’ve had to develop new language for trans discussions. If there is no binary or no way to define the two sexes, then there is nothing for trans people to transition to.
He wasn't even sure if a trans woman (a male!!) could give birth...
@@bricology , crap, a woman is an adult human female and a man is an adult human male. It's a simple as that. What you dress the body in makes zero difference to its ability to produce, or its having the necessary gonads to produce, either large gametes or small gametes. I could literally dress up in every costume associated with men and women since we were still hunter-gatherers and it wouldn't alter my sex. DSDs are not evidence of a sex spectrum, in fact they are exceptions, anomalies, that prove the norm. DSDs are not the same as 'trans'.
@@bricology Read up on Dr John Minwy who coined the term 'social construct' and in trying to 'prove' his utter failure theory destroyed a family. His false writings stood for 20 years as supposedly true until the young man came out and disputed it. David Rimer ended his life as a result.
3 men talking about what makes a woman and only one gets it consistently right. Sad.
I'll remember this video for the next time someone says "no one claims you can change you biological sex. It's about gender".
Remember it also if anyone ever suggests that there aren't people who believe you can actually be a rhinoceros just by having tattoos, weird horn surgery or simply claiming that you are a rhinoceros. I think he even mentioned 'living as a rhinoceros'.
Dullards in this one, especially dude in hat.
How do people make it this far in life and not know how babies are made?
Well, he did also believe that we could identify into an alternative species.....so there is that. Apparently becoming a rhino is more feasible than simply being a different race.
Uhh, how does one "get close to living like" a fucking rhinoceros?
See the movie Tusk for answer. 😅
It's like living in a Monty Python sketch at this point, maybe we should just get the popcorn out and enjoy the fall of civilisation.
That last question might have been a joke, but it shows the difference clearly between men and women so well and why many women don't like saying "trans women are women". If you swapped the sexes in that thought experiment, a giant orgy would not be the result. Many women find sexual stuff gross and don't like being treated like an object. Seeing three guys explain what would happen if they suddenly were in the bodies of hot women is where TRFs are coming from. Men just don't get what it is like to be a woman, and visa versa. This does not mean that there aren't some rare men that hate their sex and want to be treated socially like a woman, and they should be allowed to be comfortable where it doesn't effect the rights of women to privacy.
He should have had an adult human female in the group.
Nobody knows what that is
Yup Katie Hopkins or Posie Parker lol. 😊❤
why? men have been able to create the western civilisation almost by themselves in the last thousand years, one of the greatest of not the greatest ever
How transphobic of you, for all we know Peter was feeling very womanly that day.....joking.
Biological sex is dictated by an individual's chromosomes and his/her current or former ability to create sperm or ovum. If an adult is so stricken by dysphoria that the only way he/she can function in society is by altering his/her appearance (i.e. transition), as moderately or radically as that person wishes, through medication or surgery, then that person should be free to do so, but that person should not be deluded into thinking his/her biological sex is actually changing.
So you are arguing for the right to medically modifying ones body to more closely resemble the opposite sex right?
Should the people who choose to do that be legally recognized as the opposite sex once they declare they are the opposite sex? Should that be dependant upon how much they have been medicalized to achieve this outward appearance? Or should a declaration be enough? Is it ethical to require medicalization, and surgeries to obtain legal recognition? Is it ethical for doctors and parents to allow children to undergo medical procedures to cosmetically alter their adult appearance to make them appear more like the opposite sex with procedures and medicines which have irreversible effects, health harming and life threatening side effects and will require life long medication to sustain them? Can children consent to these procedures without parental agreement? Who should pay for these body mod treatments? Is it ethical for doctors to administer drugs and surgeries which knowingly degrade a physically healthy persons organ, bone and brain health, destroy their fertility and natural sexual function and and risk their lives, to "treat" a psychological impairment? Does that honor the oath of "do no harm", or is it a misuse of medicine?
What other psychological conditions do we "treat" with social, medical and surgical affirmation? Should patients who believe they are non human animals be able to obtain medical treatments to modify their bodies to resemble either known or fantastical creatures? How are they legally recognized?
@@Gingerblaze Jesus, this is your edited reply? What did your unedited reply look like? LOL
I finished my comment with "...but that person should not be deluded into thinking his/her biological sex is actually changing." I wrote that because a person can not change his/her biological sex. That should answer your questions. Doctors who perform "gender transition" surgeries are just performing elaborate body modification, which often if not always leaves the patient worse off in the short term and long term. Nobody should do this, but it's a free country, and if they are adults and have the money to pursue it, then they can, but society should not be altered to cater to delusional people, no matter how many politicians and activists support it.
what is sex? that's not an easy question.....SINCE WHEN?
in which context?
@@micheledunn4391 What possible context could there be? You're either male or female, all day, every day. Come on, now.
@@ponygirl1716 "Come on, now." 🙄
Hmmm...how shall I put this...?
What do male sexed ponies and female sexed ponies do to make more ponies, play ice hockey?
Some words can have more than one meaning depending on the context in which they are used. 'Sex' is one of those words. Thus, the need for context.
@@micheledunn4391 Pretty sure the context can be inferred from the video the person is commenting on. Or did I miss the part where people were expressing confusion over what sexual intercourse is?
Btw, the idea of pony ice hockey is too funny. Stunning visual image, lol. Thanks for the giggle.
The guy with the glasses drank the cool aid. 200 times actually. 😂
Human hermaphrodites don't exist. It was an improperly used term for intersex which is a different thing entirely.
Gametes are binary.
"Gametes are binary."
Not so fast.
First, not everyone has gametes that can produce sperm OR eggs.
Second, the notion that gamete size is THE indicator of sex is a recent model, and unlikely to hold for very long. After all, 100 years ago, it was *the appearance of primary sex characteristics* that was considered THE indicator of sex ("do they have an 'innie' or an 'outie'?")
Then biologists discovered that there were far more exceptions than they had realized, and that model was discarded in favor of *allosomes* as THE indicator of sex ("do they have XX or XY allosomes?")
Then, about 50 years ago, genetic biologists discovered that there were far more exceptions than they had realized (X, XXY, XYY, etc.), and _that_ model has been discarded in favor of *gamete size.* I have no doubt that within a decade or so, the gamete size model will _likewise_ be discarded in favor of something that gives a more nuanced understanding of differences. That is the way that scientific knowledge works.
Intersex is an outdated and misleading term.
Differences in Sexual Development (DSD's) in humans are all sex specific. Everyone with a DSD is as male OR female as anyone else.
@@bricology Unless you believe that scientists will someday discover a third gamete (which would be very strange indeed, since two are sufficient to propagate the species), mammalian gametes are binary. I feel like those are fighting words these days, which is both hilarious and terrifying, lol.
"Sex" is really not very nuanced at all. It is specifically about reproductive capacity and which reproductive role one's body is designed to play. Whether it actually does so is irrelevant, it's about the design. For example, putting large gametes into the sex with the penis doesn't make any sense, since small gametes couldn't get in to fertilize the ova and any miracle babies that somehow did get conceived couldn't get out. That doesn't mean that variations don't occur, just that there are two basic templates for mammalian bodies, and they evolved that way for a reason. That reason is the gametes that body configuration is designed to produce and utilize.
People get so worked up about this, when it's actually very simple (except for the very tiny number of times that it isn't). Sexual reproduction evolved about a billion years ago and it seems to be working pretty well. If it ain't broke, evolution sees no reason to fix it. There are ONLY male and female human beings. But how we choose to express our male- or femaleness is entirely up to us.
@@bricology , you show your ignorance. Gametes ARE sperm or eggs, they don't produce sperm or eggs (you are thinking of gonads, i.e. ovaries or testes). Dear God, at least have a basic grasp of the discussion if you're going to enter into it. Sperm fertilize ova, that we can observe, that isn't a theory, we can literally observe that process. DSDs are rare anomalies, exceptions if you will.
@@bricology"First, not everyone has gametes that can produce sperm OR eggs." there can be problems in development that can cause you to not produce these, but there isnt part of the human species thats developing towards a 3rd option, its simply a developmental error, just like how we can have mutations that cause people to be born with 6 fingers or 3 legs etc. these people still deserve dignity and recognition of their humanity, but not recognition that they are a new type of human
Thank you Mr. Black Shirt for being the voice of reality!
Peter... Thank you so much for this
You are welcome!
IT IS NOT WHAT ONE THINKS,IT IS WHAT IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE
15 years ago "skeptic" was a skeptic.... some of these guys just "identifying as a skeptic"... this must be the definition of irony ..
Sex and gender are synonyms, always have been. Gender THEORY proposes that they are different. But the actual definitions and use of the words have always been completely interchangeable with zero confusion. Sex and gender are scientific and biological terms. Masculinity and femininity are terms that can be maleable, but sex and gender quite literally are synonyms and always have been.
Gender theory proposes that gender is a social construct, so a set of male and female societal norms/expectations... but if gender is a social construct, why are people being told they should try and change their biology? Their arguments are beyond illogical, they're nonsensical.
But people use gender to mean something different. Like many words it has more than one definition. When a words usage changes its said to have a new definition. You can argue this SHOULDNT be going on, but to argue that it's not going on is silly
@MrThankeesai is there a group of people attempting to alter definitions and then living their life as if those definitions are the truth? Yes
Does that make it true? No
Also, I don't know how much you know about the English language an how definitions work. But definitions actually don't change over time. New definitions are gained, but it doesn't cancel out old ones, that's now how it works. If I use the word gender to mean "whatever I want to identify as', okay maybe you can argue that a new definition has been created, but it doesn't cancel out or nullify the original meaning snd definition of the word. It's not algebra where you add a plus to one side and it cancels out a negative on the other side. Every thesaurus and dictionary for about 500 years had sex and gender as synonyms until about 10 years ago a new definition has been added to gender. I reject the definition, that's a whole other story. But even if I accept that definition, the original definition is still the main definition of the word. That's how it works. And it is still listed in thesaurus as a synonym..
@MrThankeesai the scientists, yes, the scientists who invented trans surgery interchanged rhe words sex and gender. In fact, the first operations performed were called "sex change" surgery. Even the earliest proponents of modern gender theory, the literal scientists who were involved, never tried to claim sex and gender are 2 different things. Only gender philosophers and gender THEORY proponents claimed that gender snd sex are different. But the science, the definitions, the records all show them being synonyms.
In fact, in Spanish and Latin and Italian, there is no word "sex", they only use the word gender. In scientific literature, it's all "gender". It's an older word rhan "sex", and it's always been a category of classification of biology. Gender coming from Latin gen-genus, meaning kind or origin.
It's like me asking what kind of a human you are, what gender are you male or female..there was only ever 2, and they were coded into the language as only ever being 2.
@@MrThankeesaiexcept that the gender construct, as something different than sex, makes no sense whatsoever. It has no meaning. People conflate gender with gender expression.
These people seem very VERY confused and the whole exercise was overall one of the most confusing episodes that clarified virtually nothing. Even baldy weirdly went to 'neutral' when asked "if an adult female claims to be a man, they're a man". Uh, no, no she isn't. And that wasn't even the weirdest part. The wildest revelation was that glasses has a WIFE. Wut....
someone had to say it lol
Its wild cuz, his wife is a dude who identifies a s a bicycle
This debate around sex vs gender is simply designed to be a confusing distraction for the ignorant.
I do not understand when people say “people can be what they want”. How freaking ridiculous?! Can you be an orange if you want to be one?! Can you be God if you want to?! What freaking nonsense…
They say you can be what you want to be but only under their rules and if they accept you. How many times have we seen people call it out on the lunacy and they just cry foul play and reject their mindset lol
..and then say you can't change your race, in the same breath.
Of course you can be what you want. Today I was a bat. Yesterday I was a raven. Tomorrow I shall be giraffe. Just you try and stop me 👻
People can IDENTIFY how ever they want but they can’t BE anything they want
@@Coldspace882 the 1 out of the 4 comments that managed to stay clear and not become overly emotional. Thank you 🫡
Peter’s line of questioning was excellent. Two of the men backed themselves into a ridiculous corner.
For the second-to-last question, everyone seems to forget that "your body" doesn't stop at the neck... *the brain is a body part too* . The same genetic influences underlying any sexual characteristics in the rest of the body would also apply to the brain.
If a person feels that they are a rhinoceros are they a rhinoceros? According to the Mancunian, they are. But, would biological rhinos accept a human "feeling" rhino as one of their own? Does the acceptance of other rhinos matter in determining such things?
Ask the question of a predatory animal. Would the lions not eat you because you claim you're a lion?
@@amyb.6368 A rhino might not be predatory to humans, but they might charge and trample a human to death, even if the human had a neohorn constructed on their face and wore grey makeup and moved about on hands and knees making rhino noises.
I'd watch video of the acceptance attempt lol
If the person who identifies as a rhino commits a crime, do the people who collate crime statistics have to create a new column for crimes committed by rhinos? If they're given a prison sentence, do they serve it in a human prison or a zoo?
@@micheledunn4391 I think those in the criminal justice system would be intelligent enough to correctly identify that individual as a human and not an actual rhino. I don't know why they seem to be incapable of doing the same for men identifying as women and women identifying as men when it comes to judicial ruling and sentencing.
So being 'an artist' means you don't have to have a grasp on reality. It must be wonderful to be so free from facts and logic.
I'm taken aback that the conversation veered off from what I anticipated. It seems to me that many are inadvertently championing Cartesian dualism without fully grasping its implications. My conviction is firm: Descartes' view is flawed. Our identity is not separate from our physical form; we embody our bodies. Consequently, our mental state is inseparable from our physical existence, which means the notion of being born in the wrong body or with the wrong sex is untenable. I'm eager to hear others' thoughts on my stance regarding this matter.
Peter Boghossian is a very patient man! 🙄
“Living as a woman…”
Does that mean doing most of the housework…?
🤣
That was a good one, thanks Peter.
This is so passe at this point. You can 'medically' change a persons sex? Ffs
You can take synthetic wrong sex hormones, undergo extreme cosmetic surgery and even have your identifying documents legally falsified, but you can never actually change you sex.
Feelings will never change what is real.
One of your best, Peter!
First of all, LOVED the participants, what energy they had !! 😂
Peter 💙 watching this mastermind take shape was a rollercoaster of emotion! I cannot wait to see more of this. Your new angles + different backgrounds + LOTS of repetition please. I feel like you're stirring up some magic, about to touch on something new and important for us to understand. I'm also very curious what it will take for university students to move more, after being asked to guess the other's thoughts.
Thank you so much for what you do 🙌💙🔥
I miss logic and reality so much, it has long since left the building. The guy in the hat believes an intact male can be a woman just by wanting to be one, but colouring himself black would not make him a black man. Someone make it make sense. These conversations are so insulting to women, well to humans really.
This was hard to watch, frankly. 😢
I genuinely think I’ve been transported into an alternate universe or dimension because when did society collectively loose its mind… bald guy is the only one with a semblance of reality
“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” - Attributed to Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
Love love love the ending !!!
Peter, I usually enjoy these but this one was painful. I am getting so tired of gender ideologues. A woman is not a man who wants to be a woman. But on the other hand, sense I believe that our institutions ( esp the medical establishment ) have been captured, I believe you do important conversations. Keep up the dialogue and all the hard work.
Obvious answer: Abortion is a human issue, therefore every human has a right to an opinion.
Truth!
So the logical conclusion to that is that everybody has a responsibility to support the upbringing of all children. You can't take away abortion without addressing how a child will be supported in all ways children need support to thrive.
@@carolinacrane1 No, that isn't the logical conclusion. The right to an opinion is not the same as a responsibility. You can discuss abortion without discussing the responsibility to raise children. Separate issues.
Genitalia never makes opinions valid or invalid.
Obvious answers aren’t necessarily correct answers. The woman carries the child, the risk and the responsibility; men get an opinion but it weighs a fraction of a woman’s.
Trans People by definition recognize that there are biological differences between sexes, or there would be no basis for them to be calling themselves “trans.” That is, only a biological man can be a “trans woman” and vice vice versa. So even the trans community tacitly recognizes that gender and sex are different. Norms such as female-women’s sports are based on biology, not feelings or “gender identity.” This should be the end of discussion.
Peter ran absolute rings around them here in an incredibly subtle way, the terminology they think they believe abandoned them claim to claim, PB take a bow old sport!
What gets me
The time wasted on this
Then who is paying for all these surgery’s
And paying for these medications for the rest of their lives
We are in serious trouble
And this will not end well
Are we waking up to this insanity of mental illness
Well done again
Mr Boghossian ….
I have a head ache now🤦🏼♀️
Last question is hilarious. You should have more of those.
lots of commentors are upset with the participants. my view is that it's good they're being made to think about something that they might not have been specifically or as precisely been exposed to. that's the point of street epistemology. the hope is that they'll take this thought process further and actually be open to evidence in future about a variety of topics.
Man: An individual whose physiology is geared towards the production of the small gamete.
Woman: An individual whose physiology is geared towards the production of the large gamete.
The second definition of the word 'chimera' is a perfect description of 'transgender' : a thing that is hoped or wished for but in fact is illusory or impossible to achieve.
The ending of the video is awesome! LOL
Bald dude is based. Common sense 👏
18:00 this is why i love Peter! I dont want to call it a bait or a trap but that was a lovely performance of showing how ridiculous the pathology on the left can be. "Its ok to be a rhinoceros, but its less ok to be a different color."
EXCELLENT
At question one, I’m out. I can’t believe two went to the agree side.
This is the bastard child endgame of moral relativism.
I was one of the most lighted hearted ones.
Transgender.....I can't accept who I am, but demand that you accept who I'm not.
Muh Feelings THO
well consider my mind blown....
the guy in the flowery blue shirt has a WIFE? A husband I could believe...
His wife is male probably. Or they take turns.
😂 I was just as surprised! But it goes to show you how much leftist thinking robs women of their femininity and robs men of their masculinity.
a husband who identifies as a wife
If the premise is that only women can have anything to say about abortion, I totally reject that.
That’s their argument, but they do have opinions, so they’re hypocrites. They only believe that pro-life men can’t have opinions.
It's maddening listening to the two gay dudes.
It’s the gametes not the chromosomes
The idea that only those who can get pregnant should have a say on abortion law is preposterous. Imagine applying that to every issue. Of course, the pregnant woman bears the consequences in a way that men and non-childbearing women do not. But in a representative form of government, we all share responsibility and sometimes pay with our tax money. I want no part in the violence and injustice. Although I'm past childbearing age, I'm a citizen with the same rights I had 15 years ago when I could get pregnant.
I think the conversation on abortion should be about "When is killing permitted?"
That is the conversation whether people admit it or not.
If only women get to have a say about abortion, then only women should pay for social programs related to abortion
WOE UNTO THEM THAT CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL
Hermaphrodites are an exception, just like people with one leg. That doesn't negate the fact that humans have two legs.
And they can be tested to see what sex they are and what puberty they will go through .
There are no true human hermaphrodites.
Anybody should have a say
The final question just highlights all about men's fantasies of women.
11:58 I don't mean to be rude at all, but how ridiculous. "It's more complicated than X or Y chromosomes" is the claim here. Do you know how incredibly complicated it was to arrive at discovering and understanding these things? Reducing chromosomes to just these simple things... ridic.
Best one of these ive seen, some actual diversity of thought to expand the echo chamber
As a guy, if I woke up to find my brain in the body of a hot woman I would freak out. Well, I'd play with my new body for a while, THEN I'd freak out...
I liken the term gender to the term theory. In public it means one thing, but in clinical or research settings it means something else. In public gender is synonymous with sex as theory is synonymous with idea. In psychology, it's useful for diagnosis to think of gender as a state of mind, but it's different from how gender is used by most people. As for theory, in scientific understanding, theory is the highest esteem an idea can be held to without making it an absolute, as all ideas are worth challenging.
Please answer this question? If a person has a mother that is white and a black father, why do most people assume that they identify as black? Is it not the persons right to determine what they identify as?
For example, Patrick Mahomes, why do you assume he is a black quarterback?
I need a shovel to scoop my brains back in through my ears and nose after experiencing this conversation. 😩
The last 3 minutes is just normal bloke group chat 😂
I identify as beneficiary of all trans people's wealth starting now.
This poor blue shirt guy doesn’t have enough sense to find his way out of a paper bag. The future is doomed
That last question! 😂
Ofcourse the City fan is the most woke out of them
Well if everyone should be free to choose who they are, and we’re just making up bullshit, then my gender is Martian. ACKNOWLEDGE ME EARTHLINGS!!
At 18:35 I wish you'd asked the guy in black why he was on neutral.
Great videos! Just thought that was interesting considering his position.
Claim suggestion: the statement:” I can be my true self only through a lifelong dependence on hyper modern, hyper invasive medications/synthetic hormones and surgery” is valid
Instead of asking if people can change sex, ask if you put 50 trans "women" and 50 men on an island and isolate them for 100 years would you have a thriving population or 100 dead people?
Do we call this reasonable education ? Imagine, we can't even admit to who we are !! I am glad it was only 26 min.
THE WHOLE POINT IS TO CONFUSE GODLESS PEOPLE,DECEIT AND DECEPTION IS DOMINANT EVERYWHERE
Power and money; same as it ever was…
@@33greenleaf I don’t know how long you have been alive,but maybe not for very long or you hate to admit what is obvious,but I can assure you,It is way worse than you want to believe
@@33greenleaf I don’t know how long you have been alive,but maybe not for very long or you hate to admit what is obvious,but I can assure you,It is way worse than you want to believe
@@juliangodsend9418 I’m agreeing with you. Maybe reading comprehension isn’t your best attribute?
I’m probably older than you btw.
@@33greenleaf I stand corrected,my apologies,I can be a little slow
How on earth can they not see the logical holes?
Because theyre too worried about the Bonus Holes
George Orwell wrote a whole
Book about it.
Almost all the reactions to the claims are scary and the reactions of the guy with the hat and the guy with the glasses are incoherent.
They claim one who identifies as black is not black, but one who identifies as a woman is a woman. The guy with the glasses isn't sure to what degree one is a rhino if they identify as one.
Are they afraid to say one can appropriate the race of a black person? Does a politically correct view make appropriating race wrong while condoning the adoption of womanhood?
I wish you had followed up with:
What would you do if you woke up to find your brain in the body of what you think is the body of a hot woman, but everyone else thinks it's the body of a man and hot enough as far as male bodies go, but certainly not a hot woman's body.
Cosmetic transition is not a Genetic/Biological transition.
What's the difference between identifying as black
blm and antifa would pay you a visit to correct you
Absolutely fucking zero.
Smoking hot females are not more (or less) female. If the fact that the hypothetical body is smoking hot sways you more to believe that a man would be a woman in that particular body, I would say that your position is more likely to be based in fantasy and perception rather than reality.
Did he really just say you can get very close to living like a rhinoceros? 😂 🤦
Well, we had a good run as a species. The world has gone completely mad.
Trans people who go through all the procedures are technically the most committed method actors alive.
Daniel Day Lewis ain’t got shit on them. 😆
It's not lost on me that man-bun and Christian dude end up agreeing on many things.
11 on the field