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inoculate a biodigester - part three
Starting a DIY bio gas plant with manure. Thoughts and ramblings.
How to build a biodigester. Step by step. DIY. Biogas plant. Renewable energy. Off grid survival. Homebiogas. Methane.
How to build a biodigester. Step by step. DIY. Biogas plant. Renewable energy. Off grid survival. Homebiogas. Methane.
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Building a biodigester - part two
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How to build a biodigester. Step by step. DIY. Biogas plant. Renewable energy. Off grid survival. Homebiogas. Methane. SUBSTRATE IN 30 gal Barrel amzn.to/3JW8TqG 2” uniseal amzn.to/3JY4LGR 2” pvc amzn.to/3yd4jSt 2” adapter amzn.to/4dCamQz 2” valve amzn.to/3WzFHgX 2” funnel amzn.to/4aeEz5v EFFLUENT OUT 1” uniseal amzn.to/4bvDDKT 1” pvc amzn.to/4dzWINV 1” elbow amzn.to/3UxZQ49 1” threaded amzn.to...
Methanogens - thoughts, ramblings, questions
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Methanogens - thoughts, ramblings, questions
Converting NG heater to run on biogas
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Liquid biogas - thoughts, ramblings, questions
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The compressor I talked about: www.fornovogas.it/en/applicazioni/biogas-biometano/
Is it efficient to compress biogas?
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Biogas applications for permaculture and off-grid energy solutions.
converting a propane turkey burner/ stove to Biogas
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An identical burner can be purchased here: amzn.to/3SdTqYC
how to find hydrogen sulfide in biogas
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how to find hydrogen sulfide in biogas
Biodigester Design/construction - part one
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Biodigester Design/construction - part one
how to make a desiccant filter for free gas (biogas)
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how to make a desiccant filter for free gas (biogas)
how to make a bubble filter for biogas
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Please let me know if I missed anything, or got anything wrong. filter body a.co/d/iuYLVsz lye a.co/d/30gllXt
what to do with free gas?
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this youtube page has been instrumental in helping me to find the path forward. I see it clearly now.
compressing biogas
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an additional safety concern: try not to pump the innertube completely empty. if you have negative pressure on the pump suction it will draw in air as you disassemble. Link to air compressor: amzn.to/45juHEX
Interesting. My question, is a 12v .2 hp 150psi compressor motor enough to compress the bio gas? If it is you can solar panel the walls or roof of your reactor to continue the “free” cycle
Not sure how much experience with those compressors you have, but you want to use ice water for the cooling, I actually use freezer packs and RV anti-freeze, dropped my head temp almost 10 degrees over ice water.
ice the propane tank like you would do for a keg of beer this will help condensed the gas! this process helped me with saving some of the r134a Freon the concept is the same for any gas! vaper!
What materials do you use for the filtration?
Sir the kalburo and aciton carbon are also used for production of asetellin
Bro we are in the twenties right now
Yes its efficient to compress if you are doing it for commercial meaning for selling it for the following reasons; Storage: Compressing biogas allows for efficient storage in a smaller volume, making it easier to transport and use where needed. To demonstrate that compressing biogas allows for efficient storage in a smaller volume, we can use the ideal gas law equation: 𝑃 𝑉 = 𝑛 𝑅 𝑇 PV=nRT Where: 𝑃 P is the pressure of the gas, 𝑉 V is the volume of the gas, 𝑛 n is the amount of gas in moles, 𝑅 R is the gas constant, and 𝑇 T is the temperature of the gas. Let's consider an initial state of uncompressed biogas and a final state of compressed biogas: For uncompressed biogas: Initial pressure: P1 Initial volume: V1 Initial amount of gas: 𝑛 Initial temperature: 𝑇 For compressed biogas: Final pressure: P2( higher than P1) Final volume: V2( smaller than V1) Amount of gas remains the same: 𝑛 Temperature remains the same: 𝑇 Using the ideal gas law equation for both states you get what I'm saying ..........my apology for not completing the calculations Therefore, by compressing biogas and increasing its pressure, you can store the same amount of gas in a smaller volume, enabling more efficient storage and transportation of biogas. Share Energy Density: Compressing biogas increases its energy density, making it more practical for various applications such as transportation fuel or heating. Reduced Transport Costs: By compressing biogas, transportation costs can be reduced since more gas can be transported in a single trip. Increased Usability: Compressed biogas can be more easily integrated into existing natural gas infrastructure for use in homes, businesses, and vehicles. Environmental Benefits: Biogas is a renewable energy source that can be produced from organic waste. By compressing it efficiently, it can be used as a cleaner alternative to fossil fuels, reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
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Can you be more specific?
Awesome video! Could you please tell me the exact size of the "smallest drill bit I own?" Recommend you put that in the description. I was worried the small bit of gas in the hose might ignite when you started drilling. I would have been too scared to do that and would have disconnected it from the other side.
thanks for this video its very good
You could put a vacuum on the tank with a ac compressor 😊
thanks for sharing your knowledge about biogas!
Clever way of both setting the slurry level and tapping into the middle digestate layer with that rotate technique in your build.
Buddy you got to automate that prosses
So how long will it heat on one tank of fuel?
Excellent
Okay, the point that jumps out to me here is that the liquid level on the Solar cities design should actually be a few inches lower than the top of the IBC. The key here is closing the gas tap every time you add new substrate. The gas pressure inside stops the liquid level from rising, and the only way for the overflow to go is the digestate outlet pipe. I've built one with this design, and it works, at least in the summer.
That was very clever. Good work man.
❤❤❤❤ incredible, can do a video on how to use fridge compressor instead
You can try quicklime as filter
Propane fittings are available on Amazon all day, every day.
Your Intro already got me! Good job man.
Thanks for sharing the info!
Bro you still did a good job filming and explaining a big thanks for that
Ty so much just learned about h2s tday~
Great 1st question
Man i love the idea of concenverting one residential home septic tank into a biodigester tank that creates free Biogas! I think a local cow farm created an underground methane tank They decided to connect their biogas to a power generator and create another stream of income for their business by selling power back to the grid 🌟 🤩 🌟
Same! Ty for building a whole channel on this topic!
greetings from southern Brasil
Greetings! Welcome.
Do you have a link for the filter housings?
Yes. This is what I used www.amazon.com/dp/B003JMRJ6Y/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_8C9T3WTSN8NYJN4M33ES?linkCode=ml2&tag=nateslink-20
what type of compress I can use?? for example can I sue regulare air compressor?? I have concen with igniting the methan as I compress the gas?? any feed back would be appreciated
That’s a fair concern, I’m still concerned with that every time I go to compress. You need to be very careful to make sure there is no oxygen in the system before you start the compressor.
This is a great resource.
Thank you Paul! I’m glad you think so.
I calculated energy consumption for filling a high pressure 4500PSI tank, it would take about 8Kwh to fill a 33L tank. That tank would contain about 100Kwh of energy if it were 90% methane, if I were to use that methane on a 40% efficient generator (very optimistic) and then use the energy from that generator to power the compressor, I would require 20Kwh of my gas to do so. Meaning to store 100Kwh of 90% methane gas at 4500psi I waste 20% of the energy of the gas. It's an ok number, the problem comes when you realize biogas is not 90% methane, but much less.
easy option is to lower the pressure, 2000 psi, less than half the capacity, but would take less than a quarter of the energy to reach that pressure.
If you know someone with a biogas digester, you can also use a sample from his/her digested fluid 👍
That’s a great idea, I hadn’t thought of that.
You don’t need feces. I thermogenicallr compost wee
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I presume the biogas is all methane and has less calorific value than propane, hence you need to up the flow rate?
Correct. Not only is it methane, it is very lean methane. Around 40%co2. So if it is allowed to mix with air in the manifold, the way a burner is designed, the fuel concentration will be below the flammable range.
why not have a presser relief valve in place of the bubbler. Also you could have the compressor attached permanently. have a valve between the digester and the gas storage area. so they digester does not end up with vacuum. hope that can help out have a 2 or 3 bar presser relief valve 2 bar is 29 psi and 3 bar is 43 psi
Hey! Great idea with the compressor permanently attached. I have actually done that already, I just haven’t made any videos that shows it yet. That’s a great way to keep air out of your tanks and it simplifies the process too. From my experience with the last digester those unseals work great up to about 2psi when they’re new. After they’ve leaked by a bit the number goes down. I could use a prv but I don’t know if they make them that sensitive, and even if they did I don’t think it will be as reliable as a jar of water and it’ll be harder to see if the prv is being used. Additionally, the water will scrub H2S from the gas it’s releasing into my environment which is very dangerous at low concentrations.
@@BiogasUSA any thoughts on using stainless steel fermentation tanks for gas production? also, you can clean them out if the system goes down and you just need to clean it and then rebuild it from scratch also the stainless steel would be able to hold a larger amount of pressure.
I am a CNG/LPG kit installer by profession and I compressed my biogas and run my cng car with it. Only thing you have to do is tune the kit a little richer just like you did with your stove/burner to compensate for the leaner gas. You get just a little less power but it works fine. My concern is that biogas has a small percentage of Hydrogen that might make the steel tanks brittle overtime and they might explode eventually under pressure. I have type 4 carbon cng tanks but am still afraid to use them as they are not rated for hydrogen. I have seen videos of cng tanks exploding and I don't want to experience this so I stopped doing it. If you can find a way to get rid of H2 then that would be great. They say that H2 molecule is so small that it goes through any tank even steel ones so I guess that by the time I compress it into my tank it should have already escape but I am not sure as I have no way to measure H2 content.
I have heard biogas could have up to 1% h2, but for some reason last year when I had my gas tested hydrogen wasn’t anywhere on the sheet. Next time I’ll have to ask them if there’s a way to check that too. I can’t find a colorimetric tube for it. Do you install multiple brands of CNG kits or just one? Can you plug one here? What do you think the chances are they sponsor me a kit for a video? I appreciate your comment.
@@BiogasUSA I haven't found a way to measure H2 either, that's why I stopped doing it, but I might start again because I found yesterday that my type 4 cng gas tank is compatible with RNG. We install systems by Lovato, BRC, Stag etc. There are a lot of LPG and CNG cars here in Greece but I can't tell you something about sponsorship as this is a joke around here. I know people who use RNG in type 1 steel tanks but I think it's a risk. There are ways to get rid of the CO2 to turn biogas to RNG which is more powerful. I might try such techniques but maybe in 6 months as I don't have the time now. Maybe you should give it a try and make a video about it. Oh and buy a type 4 carbon tank and get rid of this rusty steel one!
@@vasilispants8241 what are the ways to get rid of the co2? The best I could do so far was 60% ch4.
@@BiogasUSA If you google "How to eliminate CO2 from biogas" you will find many pages on the internet. All professional plants have scrubbers for CO2, hydrogen sulphide, siloxanes and moisture that turn raw biogas into RNG which is 97% methane and is practically the same as CNG. There are many methods and I am sure you will find one that suits you. I will try the water and iron wool one.
@@vasilispants8241@ vasilispants8241 I would go with 2-stage membrane separation, H2S removal (Activated Carbon Filter) before being compressed, moisture removal by refrigeration to 40-60F (4.4-15C), this also removes VOCs which kill your membrane and then into the 2-stage membrane separation. This should give you two separate streams of 99% CH4 and CO2. CO2 to the atmosphere or recover and CH4 to your Storage tank.
If you use solar panels to power the compressor then I guess it's fine, otherwise you would have to change your car with a new electric one.
Hey it's your long lost buddy you gifted the black German Shepherd to in NC. I switched phones and need to track down your number. Haha. Nice channel!
Yea man. Give me a call. I’d love to hear from you.
I'm in in Eastern NC if anyone is close by 👀
Sorry, I can't answer any questions here. I have one myself though.. the f..k is your neighbor up to, are they just f'n with you. Also, thanks for the videos!
Thanks for the videos. Quite educating and unique 👍. What do you intend using as a as an extenal storage system for your gas? I had to shut down my first digester due to inavailability of a gas bag..... Biogas technology is not very common in Nigeria making Biogas accessories very expensive.
Thanks for the comment. Watch a few more of my videos. I am filtering it into inner tubes and then compressing it into propane tanks for storage and use. Basically everything is free for me. I used mostly trash.
@@BiogasUSAYeah I've seen that in some of your videos. But can you use the space above the Slurry level as a permanent gas storage that takes the gas to the burner directly?
@@ChenehShunjwe maybe with a different design you could do that. This one will not hold any pressure, and there’s very little volume for gas.
Great video! I have followed your channel for a while and have finally started to build a digester. I’m going with the ibc tote design from solar city. I appreciate all your videos. I feel like I remember you mentioned hoping to run a car on biogas, did I remember that correctly? Have you experimented with that at all?
You do remember that correctly. I still intend to. I have 3 or 4 ideas still about how to get my gas pure enough, but if I’m not able to revive my old digester this will be a setback while I wait for the new digester to mature. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the comment, and let me know if you encounter any issues. I’d love to help you slog through them.
@@BiogasUSA awesome! I came across some old videos of a guy named Harold Bate that used chicken manure to generate biogas and ran his old carbonated car on biogas he compressed into a propane bottle. I think that’s super cool. I haven’t seen many diy people using biogas in a newer fuel injected car, however I saw some videos by a guy named Gary Gilmore who used a wood gasifier in his fuel injected ford ranger and it worked burning charcoal. Very interesting and I would love to see someone make it work with biogas. You mentioned over feeding your digester, how much did you feed it? I have read around 1.5 gallons a day of waste for the size I’m trying to build, but I’m not sure how you know how much is too much? Also could you empty your digester and restart it instead of building a new one?
@@PapasTortillas from what I have learned recently (since posting my last video on methanogens) there’s a second culture which turns the substrate acidic and somehow makes it bioavailable to the methanogenic archaea. So I guess over feeding makes the substrate too acidic and the methanogens shut down in the low PH. I kept feeding through winter even though the temp fell drastically. I was keeping my garage at 50F. I guess the first culture (whoever they are) continues working at lower temps and the methanogens slow down. The effluent started to smell horrible. That was my first hint that something was going wrong. Maybe you can know by routinely checking the PH level in your effluent. It should be very close to 7. Most of the internet agrees, under ideal circumstances, I can feed 3/4 gal per day for my 30 gal digester. I could have absolutely dumped and recycled the old digester but I wanted to make some improvements, and I wanted to make this video. I could have also cannibalised almost all of the parts from the old digester, but I wanted to be able to provide links to exactly what I used. Also, I’m still holding out hope I can revive the old one. I dumped 5lbs of lime into it a couple days ago. Fingers crossed.
I guess moisture is a big problem. If you rust your gas tank from the inside you'll blow yourself Up...
Yes, h2s is the first problem. Nothing will eat ferrous metal as fast as h2s and biogas has large quantities of it. After than, moisture is the next problem. I’m hearing now that the 1% hydrogen in biogas could make the walls of my tank brittle too.
Being on 100% solar, pumping biogas or splitting H20 with solar electricity does me no loss.
Amazing 🤗.... Where you got really crazy 😧 ( 09:16 Sec) ....... Triggered my comment 😊........ Because I've thought of this several times. Infact, thought I was the only one with this crazy thought in the world 😅. "Pursuing my degree in Microbiology"
That’s awesome. Good to know I’m not alone.
hey sounds like you opened pandoras bio-digester (; I think this time I can help with some of the questions you brought up , first I've read in a few places and it's my understanding that there are two parts to metanogenisis (the biological creation of methane) the first is the break down of organic molecules (the wast being fed) in to acetic acid or other anaerobic carbon based molecules, this part can be done by "other bugs" and my be more efficient with more specific bacteria or archea, the second part of the process is the actual formation of methane with the consumption of the acetic acid and production of methane. there is a "delicate" balance between the to stages because the first creates acid wich lowers the ph wile the second part is limited to a more ph neutral environment, that's why you can't put to much feed at once or it will all go acidic and the process will stop , in a healthy digester the methane production (literally) eats the acidic molecules creating a balanced . on the part of sterilizing and having a specific culture to my perspective it will not help and probably counter productive as bacteria and archea all have a wide range of biological pathways, meaning thay can do meny different things that create meny different biological compounds like from co2 to metanol acitic acid and meny others , mostly it depends on the chemical conditions thay are found in, so sterling and selecting will not help so much, what more thay are geneticly very flexible so its not like you have a chicken in a pen and you know it will stay a chicken tomorrow, with archea you can come back tomorrow and find a walrus in sted of a chicken. the bio-digester is actually an ecosystem with all the principles of ecosystems applying to it, so it thrives on diversity and is defind by the conditions that are present. I'll share my one (bad) ideas on dealing with the co2 , and oxygen , first as a biology geek I was thinking of organisms that take in co2 and obviously plants and defrent photosynthesisers take in co2 , and thay also produces oxygen as a by product, wich can make a very flammable combination of methane and oxygen gas , on the other hand there are some plants like different kinds of cactus 🌵 that take in co2 and release oxygen at different times and may help filter out the co2 it needs more research, and for the oxygen it reacts with iron in the proses of rust so maybe if the material is fed through some rusted iron it will absorb the oxygen before it gets in the digester.
I love your (very bad) idea of using plants to turn ch4 and co2 into ch4 and 02. It would be a lot more flammable but I could never compress it. Thank you again for the comment. This was excellent.
Just wondering. Is there a reason you're sucking the gas through the filters backwards? I guess it doesn't matter with the filter media you're using. Just seeing that you're going against the flow arrows on the filters triggered my ocd, lol!
Hahaha I understand. On the filter full of water if I ran it with the arrows it would suck the water up the pvc like a straw instead of bubbling the gas through it. I actually have this problem sometimes if the gas tries to run backwards. Since filming this video I have relocated the filters to between the digester and the inner tube so the gas passes through a little more slowly. Sometimes if I have a big temperature swing (from hot to cold) the liquid mass inside the digester physically shrinks and sucks the water out of that filter and into the digester.
About how long do you figure you can run that heater off that tank if it was full? And how many PSI do you put in the tank? Thanks
I would never go beyond 300 psi on a propane tank. If that 100lbs propane tank were at 300psi I think it might run the heater for 3 or 4 days straight.
@@BiogasUSAwow ! Thts freaking awesome!
I love to see you do another compressing video
I should. I have improved the way I do it considerably since my last one. I should do an update video