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My Great Grandfather is the Dopp who built it. And “Yes”, the pic of them holding up the sign regarding alcohol prohibition definitely was done humorously, according to what my grandparents said once. That pic is one of a few different pics we have of the building. I’ve got one on my own wall with the very first gas pump in front. Basically just a tall pipe and hose. A horse and wagon are also parked in front. We Dopp’s were beer drinking German folk, as were most/many of the first settlers of Waldenburg. Holding up the sign was posed jokingly. And in regards to the question posed about Dopp Furniture in Mt Clemens? - Yes. That was us as well. Bldg has been a thing of pride for us for generations. I’ve no words to describe what the bldg’s loss means.

What gets me is the crew hearing the thunderous sound of the bow hitting bottom . terrifying!

When was this interview? I’ve fallen asleep to Rise and Fall as well as Berlin Diaries countless times. Thank you for this video

Poor judgment and too proud to cut power, change course for the downwind side of Caribou Island , drop rear anchor and beach it. Captain McSorley did not know where he was . Captain Cooper didn't transmit the only possible survival course to the Fitzgerald's captain

In my opinion tbe Fitz failed in much the same way the MV Derbyshire did.

I remember going inside the building and watching my grandfather and dad help Jeff stier near the end before they closed the building down. We tried to help him remove some stuff back then before it got demolished and I remember seeing old photographs from back in the day. I can’t find the photos anywhere and I regret not grabbing them because I honestly don’t think he ever went back in to his own store to collect his belongings. The photographs were maybe a dozen of the inside of what Stier’s hardware looked like back in the early days and what the store looked like out front. I thought it was one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. Just sad to see the dopp building being demolished now.

everybody can visit a grave site on land, look and respect, no touch, so why not visit this gravesite and pay respects ??? bullshit money cover up imo

that ship hit the bottom so hard she crushed hundreds of feet of her midsection, that's easy to tell. as for the stern being inverted i believe the only way that could happen is as she was plowing into the lake bottom another wave struck and with the torque of the prop flipped it over.

I loved this presentation. Thank you so much!!!

Man, you sure did make some speculative claims while calling verifiable claims "unsubstantiated". You were also technically wrong on several things and wholly wrong on others. Do better.

The Fitzgerald never said what side the boat was listing on. Listen to the radio transmission.

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Wonderful presentation! Thank you. Are any of the homes still owned by the original families, or have they changed hands many times?

Why has Cairngorm sat unsold for so many years?

To me it’s plain as day how it broke. The rogue waves hit from behind sent the bow into the bottom. Then the break was where the ship was leaking. The rest guy wave broke it on into and the stern was still a little buoyant that’s what flipped it on over. Simple.

Thank you for uploading this and keeping history alive

Anderson is still going. Cooper saved his crew and ship. Then with his crews support, he went to look for survivors. The Anderson needs to be a museum. If Cooper was the Captain of the Fitz it would be on the lake today.

Cooper was the best captain on that day

The captain said he had a fence rail down and had a list, obviously they hit some debris on the surface. More plausible then hitting a shoal, especially given there was no hull strike evidence on the hull.

Something's not right here. Every person I've talked to who is a maritime Great Lakes historian, Lakes history enthusiast, or actually has worked or volunteered on the Lake vessels uses the term 'boat' when referring to a freshwater vessel. This even applies to the longest freighter. The only exception I've heard is 'lightship', and that's just for the term, the vessels are still boats. There is also the term 'ship watcher'. So.. the presenter insisting on using the term 'ship' to refer to the Fitz seems out of place. He doesn't seem to be well researched about the Fitz either.

Such a great tragedy so many young lives lost not to mention the father's husband's and brother's and son's lost may they all rest in peace

Be careful what you say, especially ALWAYS, FIRST and NEVER. The Fitzgerald was not the first modular ship built with prefabricated sections at 7:00 ever heard of a Liberty Ship? Guess not, but they were modular and built with prefab sections for WW2 in the 1940's

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Great information, thanks! Any suggestions for building bat boxes for bats in Colorado?

They were outstanding! Consummate pro's•

The 9th was a pleasant sunny day. The 10 th 11th & 12 th were definitely not!

Lake monsters are not aggressive I've been in deep mountain lakes and seen them they do not surface often and they don't know what to make of people so they shy away but they are in every deep natural lake all over the world, some are 12 feet to 400 feet long so be mindful when swimming but you'll be fine.

One thing bugs me nobody talks about,why didn't the Anderson radio the Fitz and tell em they were too close to the six fathom shoals?

Was it the families or a push by officials to the families to leave well enough alone? To this day there may be liabilities - thus why no more shipwrecks since 1975 ? To assume, no bodies were ever recovered and believed to be entombed in the Fitz. Can you imagine being the family knowing this? God Bless Captain McSorely and the crew that were lost on that fateful evening. Gordon Lightfoot had a celtic melody but no words- after the wreck, he actually recorded this song in the dark out of respect for the Crewmen and their families. Great detailed video , thank you.

Some corrections. The area at Six-Fathom shoal was surveyed and it was DEEPER than the charts indicated 36 ft vs 23 ft. and the location has been discounted as inaccurate. Mc Sorley never mentioned WHICH SIDE he was listing. No mention of the center placed drain possible contribution as it could not get the water out from the listing. And then the summation to " had to break under the water.." is pure conjecture. Likely the faulty covers, due for a refit after this voyage - and not being fully clamped due to complacency was more that a major factor. completely unmentioned, possibly due to sensitivites to the families. Crew of airplanes take blame when they screw upbut not ships? The anchor not from he wreck but an earlier loss is interesting and not noted elsewhere. So far the most factual vid I've watched is the Bay County Historical Society. One body was discovered (but not recovered is a question?Aand the Gordon Lightfoot song is not a factual reference for this shipwreck..) Crew possibly were blown back into the stairwell and down into the ship, instead of "I heard a theory they got blown out of the back windows ..." as for redundency - both radar units were lost. My theory is one of the two huge waves the A Andersen reported came up from behind and lifted the stern up and she nosedived into the bottom.

he's gotta be looking down from heaven saying what in the world has happened to this country. the communist took over without firing one shot.

With all the advances in LiDAR technology you would think there could be a non invasive expedition mounted to perform detailed scans of the wreck site without so much as having to get in the water

He told a good story,,but him being military accurate,,& for sure,,,when he is just guessing like us. ,, I have theories too!! Lmfao doesn't mean it's for sertain!!

They found a body in 95 when they sent down that Russian sub that went on the titanic wreck,,there's actual video the guy who ran the sub his kid found it when they let him have a turn in the sub!! Lmfao,,that actually happened. I don't care what this guy says

An overloaded covered barge with wire separation instead of watertight compartments between cargo holds. At least the titanic had partial watertight compartments. Gave Titanic enough time to send distress calls before it flooded and sank. Sister ship of Fitzgerald was scrapped.

They did find one body laying on the lake floor next to the ship

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He mentioned cedar shakes resisting salt water. Where was this salt water? I thought all the Lakes were fresh water.

One of the things that was a important foot note is the iron ore on board the fitz was being delivered to the auto manufacturers enuf for 7500 cars...in 1975...i had a bunch of 1970 72 73 barracudas an challengers 5 total that probably all had metal in them carried on the fitz...good chance...

U know it just dawned on me how dangerous a job sailing a freighter thru this weather is u said with that extreme cold 35 degrees if u go over board you are going to the bottom...thats very hard to swallow if ur in a ship...ur not gonna float as u mite think...making this job all the more dangerous...

Ironically the coast guard boats were really not suitable for these 20 foot seas they can barely do what they are supposed to the only safe boats arethe big freighter like the fitz and the anderson that could take giant waves because ofctheir size...the coast guard boat was 24hours away the other coast boat was being repaired an oil line had broke the helicopter was not really able to work becsuse of the violence of the storm....

The bell removal was a bond between brothers if u watched the video...a younger brother went to war an the older brother went to the fitz an to honor honor the bell was brought by the younger brother which i think is a great show of respect...go watch it for urself it was very nice....

I went swimming in a lake in north jersey quite cool water an i was required by the camp counser to wear sneakers to not cut my feet on rocks an other stuff i immediatly realized how my legs now would not float i think the water was a beautifull 72 degrees us my converse sneaks my legs would not float u have said an other the near freezing water 35 degrees prevent us from floating...i never knew that....that the cold effected our boyancy.....thanks i know my sneakers had a major effect on that...i never realized we were so close to the line of not floating till that day in the 1970s

The body that was photograghed was at the request of familys denied any exposure an brought fourth the no more diving law from detroit an in cooperation with canada that no more dives would be allowed giving it a requested burial designation....i think thats a fair call..to say...we know they are there...may they be in peace...

I dont think u said it here but he didnt want his name on it...but during a board meeting he got up an went tocthe bathroom an the board supposedly voted to name it the edmund fitz while he was out of the room....i could understand him not because it was leased out for 25 years tje latter meeting decision...who knows its sound like yeh moving on what else is on the agenda for todays meeting....

Looking at this cut away section i am amazed by the amount of metal being used to create the fitz...the only thing my architectural eye does not like is the low middle area and the tall tall wheel house an the high tall house at the rear those are two opposing forces wobbling against each other just under their own size an dimensions i would have changed that an brought the front an rear hull designs high further ti the center to aid in twist reistence...it has too much leverage with out these crazy weather trying to blow it about...

I deal with a lot of business people an they like to squeeze a contrating firm.....when a price is set for a deal to build or do a job wealthy folks like to try an set their own price say im gonna paint ur boat for 100000 grand a wealthy business man in shrewd fashion will say i can give u 80....an they wouldnt relent...so doing the job dont go beyond what u would do for ur normal price...large corporate an company owners like to flaunt their power by squeezing ur price....it happens a lot an they ll just go down the street till they find someone dumb enuf to say yes...to their price...so what happens they mite normally saycwr should really do this because i reccomend making this more durable an take some extra time to ensure a higher quality product and it will benefit u in the long run....seldom is that the case...its not cutting corners...but its just sticking to a price quote an big business does that all the time they squeeze a smaller outfit...its common prctice its not alway good but as my dad says its life....at the time the fitz was built technology of steel ships was still pretty new nothing like the technology we have today....with all types of metal alloys an unbelieveble welding tech....metal is my favorite....im not a big fan of wood....i really prefer to work with metal...seeing inside the fitz this cut away is very cool...im basically a hi po car collector/modifyer

This was a great peace of info....not familiar with commercial shipping i learned a lot...thanks. all i knew is the song an its sound quite true...the weather was crazy as it has been on the great lakes from what i hear so...the weather is a force beyond comprehension...unmeasurable...we can match the force of its 2 factors wind an water....respect it we shall if we dont we live at risk...which sometimes is a way of life....

Its still im sure because of the icy cold waters even knowing that its still hard to believe that crew was not found but it is what it is ....a frase i cant stand but is....thanks i kind agree with the man about the bell but i think it looks good that they polished it an gave it a spruce up....anyway

I think i had to 20 years old before i realized this song that i loved an was so moved by....the man was singing a real story....u can hear it in the song it wasnt just music it told a complete story....but i did realized till i had got older