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FIRST! In the real, this is awesome! The wife gave me permission to get motion in the future and its nice to see that you all over at SimCoaches will come do this without having to buy a full simulator. Can't wait to place my order and have you all come down to Phoenix. I'll even buy ya'll some good food :D

Any idea why I get nothing out of the Motion Haptics? I get movement for Orientations, Accelerations and Traction Loss but absolutely nothing from Haptic Effects. No Rumble Strip or Suspensions movement, etc. Driving me crazy. I have the gain turned up everywhere. Any help would be appreciated. I have a DOF Reality P3. Thank you

I'm not a fan of the platform itself, I much prefer a 6DOF Stewart Platform myself. But looking at the two platforms, and whatever I could see from the track from the seat 🙂, the issues I can see are twofold: 1) SimTools does not wash out the rotational forces that arise from the nature of the road and suspension, it keeps them constant until they go away on their own, which I think is a big mistake on a rig with such short throw actuators, it's much more beneficial to wash them out as much as you wash out lateral forces on the sway and surge axis. 2) SRS is not using enough filtering on the lateral forces and this causes the jerkiness of the motion and they also don't seem to implement the rotational forces that are due to road undulations. This is probably due to them understanding that the actuators don't have the latitude to manage to properly handle both the rotational forces and emulating persistent lateral and longitudal forces via roll and pitch so they ignore it. I would say on the longitudal axis SimTools looks to be better and on the lateral axis SRS seems to give you better cues for accelerations. So both have room to improve cues, unfortunately you won't get a lot of sensation with these actuators, the travel is just not enough. You can get road textures and a bit of acceleration cues but the limiting factor is going to be actuator displacement. The other issue with these rigs is that the monitors are stationary and they break immersion immediately. VR with a true 6DOF Stewart Platform is the only way to go 🙂. Granted those are much more complex, and even harder to tune the motion cues.

Does this only apply hydraulic to pedals? Before I switched to the Simgrade VX-pro pedals, I had pedals sets with polyurethane bushings. The whole reason I went with the VX-pro pedals were that they are spring based. With the Polyurethane bushings I had the problem you described where even after 15 minutes you felt your brakes changing. Now I no longer have that problem.

Looking forward doing business with you guys , I told you one day you’ll take this company to different level

Nope, i have these awesome hydraulic pedals....forget the brand but the owner is pretty cool, super hyped and a huge fan of both real world and sim racing.....Oh ya I remember now, its SimCoaches :D

You guys are so thorough and in-depth with your knowledge of these components. Insane detail!

Not sure how this is $55k when going direct it costs around $20k for the motion platform itself. Where is the other $35k coming from?

I run a combo of the softs and hards to get what I like.

Less is more only applies to active effects per shaker. Give each channel/shaker a base job and a high priority job, like road effects and kerb vibration. The reason I have 7 shakers and will be adding more is to better distribute the effects across multiple shakers and not ask too much of one at a time. Two per corner isn't out of the question with multiple under the seat. The trick to feel the separate corners is to have the rig on spring isolators to allow it to vibrate freely without transferring the noise to the room around it.

Curious, can you guys post your Simhub Motion Profile? I am curious how your tunings compare to mine :)

Disagree to some extent. I have a Buttkicker and 3 bass shakers. Each one does something specific and at a specific time. This way no single shaker is overwhelmed with noise and hopefully will last longer. As four directional vibrations, if they are tuned high enough in pitch you can “hear” the vibrations from a direction. But, low frequencies are non directional and with the rigidity of the frame you won’t be able to distinguish. Rpm’s (2x) at harmonic frequencies,rumble strips, road bumps. Each works individually and feels fantastic. Also have two rumble motors, one for brake and one for throttle. Subtle, but tells me the limits.

You are kinda close , but still very far away from the competent answer. Corner solutions reduce the energy from the shakers and even blend together so much its still hard to tell what corner actually vibrates, so the way to go is to mount them as close to youre body as possible (seat), and even better; use some kind of vibration isolation between seatmounts and rig so the energy mostly goes into the seat and not to the entire rig. Regarding shakertypes, the best solution is to use several shakers of different sizes and take control of them with high/lowpass EQ, sort out what frequencys to go where, and not running many effects simultaniously to the same shaker. On top of that, there are effects in some communities that are way better than the standard simhub ones, but you got to look for it and learn the basics the hard way first.

I can't tell left or right.. But front and back feels better to me. I my real car it's pretty much the same, I feel front wheels on bumps or back.... Now what I can't feel is wheelspin from my pedal. Lol (but I can feel it in a certain frequency with my bst1).

There is a very long debate concerning this, and so many audio professionals spoke about this. I have been using 7 on my cockpit and yes you read that right 7. First these Daytons even though they are cheaper than the rest of the competition, and trust me I have tried them plenty. There is a plastic springers on both sides inside that tend to developpe cracks and brakes which renders them vibrating weirdly. I like the Aura's more because they are more reliable and vibrate a bit better than those Daytons. Once you place these shakers horizontally and on a plate that is connected to the chassis with a specific point the whole vibration experience changes (Something similar to the brackets sold by Slip-angle of Canada) add to that you need to use some high end speaker wires to reduce noise or what we call "bruit" it also depends on the amp used and the soundcard used so there is so many variables to it. I use 4 aura on plates on each suspension placement with limited effects and frequency, another larger under the seat with a bracket that is piston based (Buttkicker advanced) and 2 of these simagic ones on the throttle and brake. when you set them up nicely and give them a little bit of tinkering on the volume and frequency used they do become an essential part of your simulator.

Eh ive always thought anything vibrating needa to stay the F away from my booty. Please tell me what im missing out on(facetious)

Yes, you are right. But ................The trick is to isolate the bass shakers. I have 7 on my rig all isolated from on another. All can be felt independantly without ibterfering with any of the others. I used varying isolators meants for heavy machinery and had to make modifications to my rig in order to accomodate this set up. And yes it was totally worth it.

So do you want to share the effects you use Sim Coaches? We would love to see how well you are utilising these products.... Or if people buy the hardware from you, do they have to learn to tune and make their own effect profiles in Simhub?

Pedals look great. Have you ever tried to engineer them to mount invented?

What a waste of a video, if you can't feel which bass shaker goes off, maybe their is a problem with you or your settings are off, and people who mount monitor to rig with bass shakers isn't smart, tried a couple and nothing but screen shake and can't be great for screen with all that vibration constantly.

One bass shaker in the front , one in the back

Are thay actually fitted to the seat itself?

I use 6 bass shakers. I changed each setting to a different frequency and some at different durations. Problem solved.

For anyone wondering. Bass shakers are useful if you know what to expect

For anyone wondering. Bass shakers are useful if you know what to expect

Did you actually install the pedal shakers? I did, and they ruined the connection from my wheelbase to the sim. Still haven't been able to fix it.

You can use a lot of Bass shakers, the key is to make a good mix like in music. Use different frequencies , use left and right, use front/back, use different volumes and you can feel everything. put more emphasis on important info and less on others that do not affect much relevance . Front/back separation works better than left/right.

I think the sum total of what you are trying to express has some merit. However there are so many rig configurations and setups that in many cases more locations of shakers can still be very beneficial and a good thing. SimHub and bass shakers can 100% become muddied up and too much sauce but there are some cool things you can do when you explore the dynamics. Two shakers on the seat plus pedal haptics would be excellent for a lot of simulation but shouldn’t discourage more use cases.

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It's easy to talk without experience, I've been using bodyshakers for years and what I like most is the configuration I've had these last 3 years, it is expensive and difficult to assemble, but in VR+belt tensioner, it is the one that gives me the most realism and immersion... The seat is mounted on an axle with bearing (left-right to feel the tensioner more in curves) and on independent and pneumatic 4-point cushioning, it is adjustable by air, and it is a real car seat, it is not rigid, and underneath there are 4 bodyshakers, 1 in each corner, with independent grips and to avoid transfer of effects between them. I carry another 4 on my back in the same way, independent, they are 100W RMS (reckhorm bs 200i) The pedal board is mounted on 4 rubber+springs with a stop at the tip so that it only goes up and down, and that function is done by 2 12 "subwoofers, one below and one above, they are blocked and prepared as heavy bodyshakers, which do the same, and with less noise than 2 powerful buttkickers (Fischer Amps Buttkicker LFE) I also carry 2 very powerful and fast motors in the pedals (brake and accelerator) and they do not look at all like the small commercial motors ... And for more immersion, I carry another 12 "Sub prepared to move the entire chassis, which is also mounted on 4 air/water tires, like a miniature tractor. To feed everything, I have simhub with 2 5.1 cards, 6 preamps above the central monitor, so they are easily regulated and 11 mono subwoofer amplifiers (8 of 100W and 3 of 300W) The 3 screens go in another chassis, and if I'm honest, I enjoy it more than a dwarf on a giraffe...

Also disagree. I have the Slip Angle system on a ASR6, plus pedals and one under the seat. If it's tuned right works great and adds immersion like crazy. As someone else said, isolation is the key and not over doing it with too many effects.

Yet thete is something new coming that is way better than those 2 together… drsm

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IMO you only need one. In a real car, when your lefts hit a curb, the entire seat vibrates. When the rights hit, the entire seat vibrates. Just use one and your brain does the rest.

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the only thing that actually matters is isolation. i used some cheap amazon iso springs on the 4 corners of the rig and that is what makes all the difference. before that the effects felt muted now due to the springs i have a slight lateral shift when turning and the effects feel almost real in vr. best upgrade i did so far.

You shut make a video with using simhub how to set the bass shakers settings. En what to use en what not!

What's Buttkicker got to do with it?

Just get something for your seat like a Realteus forcefeel. Is way better than anything debated here. Im all in to the less is more team

Left to right is just another way of doing it, IMO you cannot really decipher left to right. I have BST1's front and rear, the front BST1 is toned down a little compared to the rear (80/100) as I also have decent wheel ffb. I then have Dayton Audio DAEX30HESF-4 exciters on my pedals

If you had to choose between BS1 and 300 which one you would go ???

I disagree. I tried one on each side and it's one dimensional compared to a good four corner set up. Four provides more depth and fidelity, you just have to develop the sensitivity for it to register, just like you have to in a car on track in real life. I do however agree with the less is more philosophy when tuning the effects.

Why right/left instead of front/back? I would think it would be pretty obvious that if you're sliding in a right hand corner the side sliding would be the left side.

I put on in the front and one in the rear.. I love it. I run engine vibration in the front and rpms in the rear, with road bumps and kerbs separated to front and back

If I was a lass would use it inside my pants, just like REZ for the old PS2

Oh wow, I never knew that. Makes sense though. I would e thought otherwise which is why I’m not the one in the video 😂

I just took 2 of the 4 on my rig off 3 days ago

Hi, I was strugling with this question : 2 or 4 ? Now I have the answer, many thanks. Could you please share your simhub configuration for 2 bass shakers and 2 sim magic haptic motors ?

Cool info. I have 2 on my seat now one on butt and one low mid back for gear shift. Going to try your set up see how I like it thanks