Film Vs Digital
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Talking Carbon Monochrome and Scanning for a Wyeth
Hang out with me while I ramble on about print making and projects around the lab, while filling up ink tanks for Piezography. Kind of a talkie here but I wanted to show UA-cam what's involved in the carbon monochrome process because there are very few other videos out there.
Next time, we start making prints!
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Two Prints from 35mm
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In this video I document making a silver gelatin and archival pigment print for a client from 35mm color negatives. We talk a bit about the darkroom I have set up and you can see how I create a scan suitable for large scale printing. We are re-vamping our online system for ordering prints so currently they are made on an informal basis, by request. If you'd like to create some prints just drop ...
Lab Diary for Early April 2023 & 510 Pyro Introduction
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Mark works on some projects in the lab and does a bad job explaining 510-Pyro. You can find 510-Pyro to order on our online store or as an option when ordering film processing. We also discuss upcoming projects including restoration of a Colex RA4 processor and the conversion of an Epson P6000 to monochrome Piezography inks. www.northeastphotographic.com
Adox CMS20II Deep Dive - Part 3
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In this video I make a 16x20" print from a 35mm CMS20II Pro negative and share my overall thoughts on this interesting film. I used the Heiland Splitgrade system and a Jobo ATL 2500 processor. You can find our film developer kit here: tinyurl.com/yhww59k5
Adox CMS20II Deep Dive - Part 2
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Let's dig into the scans of Adox CMS20II. In this video we cover scans from our Noritsu HS1800 and Eversmart Supreme II. You can find our film developer kit here: tinyurl.com/yhww59k5 In Part 3 we'll make some real darkroom prints!
Adox CMS 20II Review and Deep Dive - Part 1
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Part 1 of my review of Adox CMS20II. I cover what the film is, why you might want to use it, and how to approach processing it. Link to purchase CMS20II kits with the developer here: tinyurl.com/yhww59k5 Link to PDF data-sheet on CMS20II and Adotech IV: tinyurl.com/2xyuz9ts Let me know if the comments what you think!

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  • @Dstonephoto
    @Dstonephoto Місяць тому

    Whats the deal with enlarger lenses and this film? Do we need the best of the best or will standard enlarger lenses resolve the film?

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Місяць тому

      The same principles apply with enlargement factor being the key thing. If you start getting really really big, you will want to use the newer optimized enlarging lenses and make sure your set up is pretty well aligned and stable. I made 16x20s and the lowly Nikkor 50/2.8 did just fine!

    • @Dstonephoto
      @Dstonephoto Місяць тому

      @@northeastphotographic thanks. whenever i jump on the large format forums and start reading I feel like I need to get a phd in art history and metrology, but the old printer threads are a fascinating read- sometimes. Thank god for command shift 4. That said - assuming there is a cut and dried answer for this - what lenses do you recommend for 120, 4x5, and 8x10 enlargements if a3 is the max print size I would ever go for. Is there a standard cut off date, era wise, that you recommend? The forums are a mixed bag. Some people claim certain taking lenses on 4x5 or 8x10 can double up as enlargement lenses ( “because Ansel did …”) but wtf do I know. Have you tested any of the process lenses at all ? They seem fascinating. Sorry, long winded question almost over , I noticed that in astro photography they use these optical attachments called field flatteners- could these potentially come into play for using taking lenses as enlargers? Alright, thanks for running these interesting tests . Printing feels very much like an under appreciated dark art, and I think hat they know and do is just nect level stuff , but Im also looking to get my feet wet and pop my cherry. 🍒 have a good one!

    • @MarkSperry
      @MarkSperry Місяць тому

      @@Dstonephoto A3 is roughly 12x16 so any of the available 6 element designs from the last few decades are fantastic. Everyone has different opinions but the reality is for enlarging, there is not a lot of difference. I have a mix of Rodenstock, Schneider, and Nikkor lenses, all from their 'middle of the road' line up if they have one. I print a lot of 6x6 and some 35mm with the 80/4 Componon-S. If I need to make a bigger print the Nikkor 50/2.8 EL. For 4x5 the 150/5.6 Compnon-S. For 8x10 I often use a 240 from the same line...but I do have a 300 as well. The 240 is useful because you don't have to rack the enlarger up. The only reason to get a super modern APO enlarging lens is when you're making a mural. Even as a die hard analog person...if I'm going above 20x24 I am using inkjet.

    • @Dstonephoto
      @Dstonephoto Місяць тому

      @@MarkSperry Thank you for the recommendation. The more I learn about optical /analog printing methods the more I begin to get lost in how groundbreaking the processes and people behind them were in a league of their own. Conversely, Im equally impressed by the engineering of modern printers - not always the end results (though that’s a function of cost). Though sometimes I begin to wonder why we don’t have hybrid machines that combine the best of both worlds. Thanks for the lens recommendations!

  • @Dstonephoto
    @Dstonephoto Місяць тому

    Dat unfiltered wind noise, tho . So, ive been having shower thoughts lately about these high resolution films. Could these high resolution films give large format capture a run for their money if we’re talking about printing? I’m curious as to where the free lunch hypothesis falls apart. Since the print is an amalgamation of the entire system, Im thinking that the enlarger lens would be the bottleneck ( or other variables such as the alignment) if we’re talking about enlargements of the 35mm. Conversely, I wonder how well these films could serve for color separations. Have any mad lads attempted to reduce (vs enlarge) a 120 or large format film onto these 35mm high resolution films? Alright, solid talk. Im digging this channel.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Місяць тому

      They're not really a replacement for large format, but if there is a certain subject a large format photographer couldn't get with a view camera then maybe you could sub in this film. The images will still be grainless. Large format will likely have better definition however since you're not really stressing your lenses.

  • @lensman5762
    @lensman5762 5 місяців тому

    Honestly,having shot quite afew rollsof this film using. Nikon primes, only a drum scanner can bring out all the resolution this film has to offer.

    • @MarkSperry
      @MarkSperry 5 місяців тому

      There are 11,000ppi drum scanners which would probably be a good match for this film. I tend to think this film does well with darkroom enlargement as well. Once you hit 11x14 from a darkroom print you're starting to notice how your images just have no grain. I still have a lot of it and I plan to shoot it...the thing that holds me back though is if I want grainless images, why not just use large format?

    • @lensman5762
      @lensman5762 5 місяців тому

      That is a good question. I'd say that even a properly executed and processed MF TMax 100 or even. Pan F would give you similar results with much better tonality and flexibility in processing, but we do like to mess around. This film really taxes a photographer's technique and equipment and sadly here most of today's photographers come short.

    • @MarkSperry
      @MarkSperry 5 місяців тому

      @@lensman5762 Honestly, the way to use this film IMHO is to buy it in 100' rolls and make 12 or 16 exposure lengths. The 36 exposure roll is what makes it impractical. On a tripod with a good lens it is a decent stand in for medium format but like you said, TMax 100 already gives grainless results in most normal enlargement sizes with much less fuss. I would even go further and say if you want that grainless look in smaller formats, even Pan-F is a waste of effort compared to the T-Grain stuff. But yes...what's the fun in all that practical thinking? I have a bunch of Adox and I shoot it! Heck, I have some frozen TechPan in 8x10!

  • @arturors30
    @arturors30 11 місяців тому

    About developing, actually Adox recomends not mantain the dev temperature. Only assure that it takes place in a room between 20-21ºC-

  • @EM-ve9bh
    @EM-ve9bh 11 місяців тому

    Do you find the 30 megapixels of the 1800 scanner to be enough for 35mm? This seems to be the highest resolution of most labs, but It's not getting everything from this film? What scanner would be better?

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic 11 місяців тому

      Great question! Honestly I find the Noritsu pulls out all the useful detail on most 35mm films. In fact, the 6.5 megapixel scans are perfectly suitable for many camera and film combinations. Portra 160 and Ektar look great at the 30 megapixel size, or the medium and low speed B&W films. The available chrome films, tabular B&W films, possibly Ektar, and certainly CMS20II benefit from a higher resolution scan. To do this you could use an Imacon which for 35mm, will resolve 8000ppi. Some drum scanners exceed this. CMS20II will benefit from as much as a 12,000ppi scan, it's that good. That being said, once you meet the needs of a 44" printer, the utility of a higher resolution scan is somewhat academic. When customers order our largest print size, 24x36", we use an Eversmart Supreme II, and it's 5600ppi.

    • @EM-ve9bh
      @EM-ve9bh 10 місяців тому

      @@northeastphotographic Awesome! Thank you for the detailed response, one last question, do you know why the resolution is lower for medium format on the frontier/noritsu than it is for 35mm?

  • @filmandrewszentes1824
    @filmandrewszentes1824 11 місяців тому

    Hí What about cms 20 now. Its see alsó has technic al problem with adox and haven’t got enaugh on stocks for half a year

  • @6hr0n05
    @6hr0n05 Рік тому

    Have you tried rpx 25 ?

    • @filmandrewszentes1824
      @filmandrewszentes1824 11 місяців тому

      Rpx 25 is my actual best 35 mm film. Im thinking between cms 20 and Rpx25 but its seems Im stay at Rpx25. Why? Because the rpx25 quality is very good for this price and always on stock in europe. CMS 20 its a little unicorn, it would be better at sharpnes, and grany but it has oftenstocking and prodicting problem at adox. Moreover cms 20 developping more difficult than Rpx25, and cream on the top adox made a higher price in last mounth from 7 euros to 12 euros per p. Againts of this rpx is stay at 7 euros. So it would be a good stock but there are more disadvanteges as advantages. I scanning rpx25 and make an A3 printing its enough for me. The resulation defferents totally dont care because rpx25 is correct to A3. Moreover rollei contrast as total black and white is my taste almost IR film. I asked also fotoimpex about cms 20 future, i sent about 5-6 emails, but dint receive any information.

  • @pps67
    @pps67 Рік тому

    A bulk roll of this is cheap enough (95 bucks) that I'm tempted to get the film to test against Tech Pan (I'll have to get Photographer's Formulary's version of Technidol for it's development or just shoot it at an ei of 6 and use Xtol 1:5) I plan on processing CMS 20ii as directed, but I am also going to try it bracketed at an iso of 3 to 10 in dilute Rodinal semi-stand development since grain this fine shouldn't suffer looking too grainy in Rodinal. Keeping with the manufacture instructions with the temperature will be a bit of a pain in the arse with a tempering bath, but I'll make it work. I can't believe the manufacture recommendation to use a paper towel after photoflo? This sounds like a pretty fragile emulsion, so I'll probably just hang the film to dry, untouched. This looks like a nice darkroom experiment.

  • @6hr0n05
    @6hr0n05 Рік тому

    Thank you for this video. I want to try this film someday.

  • @Tahusaco
    @Tahusaco Рік тому

    Nice video! Thanks for sharing. I love your workspace. By the way, I also got the same Filson messenger bag.

  • @cecilsharps
    @cecilsharps Рік тому

    I know arax and hartblei are still refurbing kievs but i don't know if they are selling bodies. You should hop on the kievreport or kievaholics. I think your loading technique needs just a little finesse. Around y2k that method of loading could lead to uneven frame spacing and possibly damage to the wind mechanism. If your going to put it on a boat for refurb make sure to take some shots with plenty of sky at higher shutter speeds. Your looking for shutter banding. The kiev 88 is more prone to it but it has occurred in the k60s. I used 510 pyro for the first time last week. Cleaning the little rubber cup and syringe requires a little more effort than i'm used to. The developer does have some potential that i can't wait to explore.

  • @Super.Quasar
    @Super.Quasar Рік тому

    Very pleased to find your channel and great video. Subscribed and looking for more. Heiland appears to be the way forward and I regularly consider it. Wasn't aware that Nate's App would be a help for images from a traditional scanner, but maybe that's because my usual route is Imacon into Photoshop. Can I suggest you do a direct film vs digital process comparison using the same negative . Be very interesting to see the differences and justification for the darkroom.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      Do you mean, compare a scan to a print?

    • @Super.Quasar
      @Super.Quasar Рік тому

      No sorry, I mean compare a darkroom silver print, to a inkjet print from a scan of the same negative. How close can the two processes get? Personally, I find the attention to small details, or the fine tone adjustment of individual tones in Photoshop to be very helpful. Yet I go weak at the knees when I see a beautiful silver print. :-)

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      @@Super.Quasar Yeah I could do that. Specifically once I set up our Piezography printer that might be fun to do. I find that silver prints have more presence and depth than archival pigment, whereas you can be very creative with paper choices when printing digital.

  • @philipu150
    @philipu150 Рік тому

    Interesting. The Heiland (and it's a German name, pronounced high-land, not he-land) is the Rolls-Royce. Some of us hope for more, adaptable Honda LED sources for our enlargers. A friend built me one, 3D printed with an inexpensive LED panel for about $200. I'm just using it as white light with Ilford filters, but LED is the way to go these days.

  • @daveyg.6775
    @daveyg.6775 Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing this, not too many videos to find that make these processes easily understandable.

  • @otherSmallCities
    @otherSmallCities Рік тому

    I’m just a hobbyist, so I would not be able to justify any of four Setup, but I’m drooling. Sooo good!

  • @rockhills
    @rockhills Рік тому

    Hey there. You might want to include the link to your website in the description. Also the link on your youtube profile is misspelled northeastphotogrpahic.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      Whoops! Fixed that link. I'm having issues with YT allowing me to post links in the video description. They are not accepting my verification for some reason. Sorry for the inconvenience.

  • @MarksPhoto
    @MarksPhoto Рік тому

    I too have an Arax 60. I bought it used, but I needed to recoat the shutter curtain because it had become very 'semi-transparent' many pinholes. I used spray electrical insulator. I really should send it back to Ukraine, but they're a bit busy there at the moment. It still has the Kiev feature that can run all your frames together into one big 13 frame panorama. BTW, I was told not to let the wind lever snap back- that can damage the spacing mechanism. You did seem to have nicely spaced frames. I have the 30mm ultrawide lens for it. It's nice and sharp, and a lot of fun.

  • @wochenendedestodes9015
    @wochenendedestodes9015 Рік тому

    Tip: I wash the film for 5 minutes and at the end I always use distilled water to wash it two or three times. After this you get perfect results.

  • @alexbaias1254
    @alexbaias1254 Рік тому

    This film is waste of money ! first of all, it's expensive for a black and white film, it's recommended to develop only in adotech 4 for best results, after drying , it curls, even if you keep it under heavy books, it's a pain working in darkroom with this film, and it's scratches easily ,it's not as sharp as they say. I made a side by side comparison, with an expired kodadk tmax100, ilford fp4, and astrum 64(for those who don't know what film is astrum 64, it's the former svema 64 )and the only difference that I noticed that the adox is slightly sharper, almost unnoticeable , it doesn't justifies the price, as for contrast and tones, astrum 64 is better, plus the spectral sensitivity of astrum FN-64 is expanded into the near infrared range of the energy spectrum, and it dries perfectly flat, and its more resistant to scratches and 3 times cheaper than adox, it can be developed with any developer. Here in Canada is $6.50 per roll.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      I’m sorry you had such a negative experience with it! It’s definitely quirky but I found it to be interesting enough to order a 100ft bulk length. I’m not sure about other markets but here it’s a little less expensive than Kodak films like TMax. I also didn’t have any curling issues. I will say that Adox films do seem a lot more fragile than Ilford or Kodak. I touch on the relative merit of such a high resolving film in later videos, it’s a mixed bag for sure! I agree that in making normal print sizes, TMax or Delta 100 are going to be great and easier to work with.

    • @wochenendedestodes9015
      @wochenendedestodes9015 Рік тому

      Maybe you did something wrong? (But I can't tell what?). Yes it's hart to handle. But in comparison with other films like fp4, delta 100 its a huge difference. The resolution is mind blowing. For me it's the perfect film to use if you want to make big enlargements.

  • @thomaspopple2291
    @thomaspopple2291 Рік тому

    Considering most people don't have fancy dev machines it would be nice to show hand processing.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      I will definitely cover different agitation styles in later videos. The Heiland TAS just simulates hand agitation though in a mechanical way. If you’re used to “Ilford standard” agitation, that will work just fine!

    • @Super.Quasar
      @Super.Quasar Рік тому

      The TAS is a great processing tool. However, I was expecting you to use the Jobo before the TAS appeared. 😊

  • @jestintzi
    @jestintzi Рік тому

    I definitely think having 36 frames of this also makes it harder to go through this particular film, 120 would definitely be interesting! I also personally really like Gold in 35mm but all the stuff I've shot on 120 I...don't like? Idk why exactly, I think the added resolution makes the Gold colors not look as good/lo-fi or something. Maybe I'll find my way to liking it since I've still got way too much in the fridge...

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      They also sell it in bulk, so it would be interesting to maybe load up some 12 exposure canisters for specific situations. I think the next time I buy it I'll buy a 100ft roll. Re Gold, I gravitate toward a cleaner look so maybe that's why I dig the 120 version so much.

  • @otherSmallCities
    @otherSmallCities Рік тому

    This was a really good serious. Also I am so envious of your lab lol😊

  • @theborne
    @theborne Рік тому

    To your point (10:05) you're absolutely spot on re: reading the data sheet. It's very important. For eg. with Ilfosol3 developer I was over agitating when the instructions called for less than I was doing.

  • @ianhand5006
    @ianhand5006 Рік тому

    I’ve used ADOX HR-50 and obtained really excellent results. I’ll give CMS-20ii a try this Summer. I shoot Minox 8X11 cameras, so the tighter the grain, the better.

    • @northeastphotographic
      @northeastphotographic Рік тому

      That's a perfect use case if you can use a tripod or if you have sufficient light for those exposures. I haven't tried HR-50 yet but it's on my list.