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@rosenightingale5611 it's not about one member in particular having power - i just wanted to show that the members can/did have their opinions factored into their music, concepts, outfits since sones always argue that because they have no say in those things, they couldn't have possibly had a say in jessica's removal - i never thought this argument made any sense and never understood the correlation because what do concepts, outfits, and music have to do with something as serious as instigating a members' removal or wanting her out of the group? and... they actually did have a say in the aforementioned things. lol. tiffany just happened to be more vocal and involved when it came to the music, outfits, and concepts, so that's why she's mentioned a lot although there were other members too who were involved in those aspects with writing lyrics and picking outfits. i don't want tiffany or any of the members singled out for this being pointed out, i only brought it up to counter the lies and excuses. after all, jessica's removal was was a group decision made by all eight.

@@starrygoldensky Yeah, I understand that, they all definitely have a lot of power. It's just it reminded me of what I've seen some people say. It definitely was a group decision.

@@rosenightingale5611 i get what you're saying! throughout the years, i've seen people shift the blame amongst certain members to try to assuage blame from the members they particularly stan/bias or like. that's why there's always been so much "but i heard member a wanted jessica out" "no, i heard it was member d and g!" i'm not sure why they do that, all it does is keep rumors going instead of just owning up to it being a group decision by all eight.

​@@starrygoldensky Exactly. While there is a possibility some members may have wanted her out more than others, they still all came to the same decision in the end. We'll never know how the voting happened, and how each member came to vote Jessica out, unless they tell it, which won't happen. The only reliable info is all 8 voted her out and SM blacklisted her, anything else is speculation. I think people want to blame others to protect their bias's image. They just can't accept that their faves can be normal humans, make mistakes, and hurt others at times, which happens in all relationships.

snsd are not the epitome of sisterhood in the slightest, they gladly chose to kick jessica out, not caring how jessica felt and how she never wanted to leave, they were all fine with solo activities until jessica was getting more successful, they're co-workers or just friends, but not sisters

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which contract are you referring to and what about the timing is confusing you? hopefully i can explain and clear up anything that's causing confusion!

@@starrygoldensky I'm not sure myself!! 😂 I read that all the girls signed another contract in 2014??? Or am I getting it wrong. And she also launched her fashion company the same year? To be honest, I've signed a ridiculous work contract before (where they basically owned all material I produced, owned my time, didn't pay OT etc) and that's why I'm confused about the dates. If she was still under contract, was the permission for the brand in that contract?

this is going to be long and i wanted to include sources. so, snsd had completed their original seven year contract which would expire in august 2014. the original contract would range from when they debuted in 2007, so the original contract would range from august 2007 - august 2014. september 2014, sm reps confirm that all nine of the snsd members renewed their contracts for three more years prior to the expiration of their seven year contract in august 2014. the sm reps also noted that the members made individual negotiations this time around before coming to a final agreement. in the article, it was said that all nine members would have no problems to promote as a group for the next three years. "There will be absolutely no problems for all nine members to promote together as a group under SME for the next three years." source: www.soompi.com/article/651477wpp/all-9-members-of-girls-generation-renew-contract-with-sm-entertainment correct, jessica launched her brand in august of 2014. articles came out on august 6th, 2014 about the launch of her brand - she also announced it on her official weibo account as well. sources: www.soompi.com/article/637015wpp/girls-generations-jessica-to-launch-her-very-own-brand-called-blanc weibo.com/3547642417/3740516220958441 there was a countdown on the blanc website which signified when it would officially launch. it didn't officially launch until august 9, 2014. when snsd attended kcon on august 10, 2014, they did an interview on the red carpet and tiffany stated that the members would be focusing on solo activities and she looked directly at jessica when saying "each of our members are slowly going into their solo or designing." source: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1730555930444488893 jessica was also doing a reality show called jessica & krystal which aired from june 2014 until august 2014. this show was filmed with her sister, krystal, who was also under sm, and also in a girl group called f(x). while filming for this show, jessica mentioned that she would like to design items if the opportunity arises and her blanc sunglasses prototype designs could be seen being featured in the show as product placement and to signify that jessica would be designing and releasing sunglasses soon. source: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735766359135420489 furthermore, sm entertainment used jessica's brands' sunglasses as product placement in a chinese film they co-produced called "the third way of love." source: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735766708504182855 i also want to add that a jessica and krystal sub-unit was planned as well as season two of their show but those plans were scrapped once her removal happened. source: www.koreaboo.com/article/jessica-krystals-sub-unit-completed-album-finished-filming-mv/ jessica stated in her official statement that she received permission from sm entertainment to launch her brand. actually, jessica received sm's permission twice. the second time she received permission was in september when the members called a meeting with her to present her with an ultimatum to either give up her brand (which she couldn't because she finalized contracts with business partners as she explained in her official statement) or leave the group. she explained to them that it was unfair to make her choose and she would not choose as both are important to her. after this, she said she approached sm entertainment on september 16, 2014 to get clarification about the ultimatum presented to her by the members and for the second time, she had gotten sm's blessing to continue on with her brand + group activities. source: www.soompi.com/article/656559wpp/jessica-issues-public-statement-following-girls-generation-departure i also want to note that just as she approached sm entertainment for clarification about the ultimatum the members presented to her, those contract renewal articles came out around that same time about how there would be no problem for all nine members to promote as girls' generation or as a group for the next three years. just as jessica said in her weibo post (this was posted before her official starement) about her removal, she was forced out for no justifiable reason. source: weibo.com/3547642417/3760365345514412 there was never a justifiable reason offered for her removal from the group - since her removal from the group, people (actually, a majority of it came from her former fandom) have spread misinformation, lies, narratives, and theories about her and her removal to justify, in their opinion, why she deserved her removal although none of it makes sense. sorry for the long and thorough explanation, but hopefully, it makes sense and clears up the confusion! 😊

@@starrygoldensky woah thanks for the detailed explanation! About the permission thing, do you know if it was written or verbal permission? I'm curious if it was also written into her contract, since it seems the company already knew she wanted to do it and they even included the sunglasses and product placement.. Tiffany did absolutely look at Jessica in that video! They all looked happy tho 🤔🤔 strange how things can turn in an instant.. Although, I do wonder, if Jessica hadn't posted on weibo about being removed (& thus making it public), what would SM have done 🤔. I mean, assuming they still wanted her out but didn't want public opinion turned against them. Like, how were they going to make it work & try to force the artist to accept the unfairness silently.

you're welcome! jessica did not say if the permission was verbal or written in her official statement but the fact of the matter is that she got sm's permission to continue doing both. if sm did not want her launching her brand when they did and had concerns about her not being able to fulfill duties as an snsd member while juggling her brand, i don't think they would've allowed her to launch the brand in the first place OR the moment that she approached them for clarification on september 16, 2014 about the ultimatum the members presented to her, i feel that if sm had any grievances with her about her not being able to do both, she would have been out right then and there. it's also been heavily rumored that there was a contract in place for sm to receive royalties from b&e. i don't like to rely on rumors as proof but if you're interested: deleted dispatch article: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735763860945080634 allkpop article: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735764170023309398 excerpt from bright: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735764841065750586 actual proof that sm supported b&e: x.com/starrygoldensky/status/1735765572640534949 sm was going to lie about her absence if she wouldn't have made her removal public. they were going to say that she was sick. some people tend to think that her making her removal public "ruined chances of salvaging things behind the scenes" but i disagree. in my opinion, the only thing that jessica's weibo post ruined was the route sm was going to take with the whole "jessica was sick, that's why she didn't attend the shenzhen fanmeeting" narrative although jessica was completely out of the group anyway, since they told her she was out by giving her that notice a day before the fanmeeting and she wasn't going to be able to attend any future group activities due to getting that notice that she was out. sm was counting on jessica not to make her removal/her officially being out of the group public so they could make it look like she was uncommitted to snsd or missing group schedules for b&e and when fans or people would start questioning her absence from group activities, that's when sm would likely announce that she's on a hiatus due to focusing on b&e and then would come the eventual announcement that she left the group (despite her already being completely out) if this was the route that would have been taken, if jessica wouldn't have posted on weibo and let us know what happened, we would have then not seen her interacting with the members which would cause fans and people to speculate that something happened between her and the members (which it did, just wouldn't have been made public due to the weibo post not being posted) because i couldn't imagine her just happily interacting with them when they were cause of her removal even though it wouldn't have been made public with the weibo post. my point is: it would make people question why jessica wouldn't be spotted hanging out with the snsd members or why they wouldn't see her in their pictures of them gathering together after she "left" because we would have been in the dark about the members being involved in her departure if she wouldn't have posted on weibo unless she decided to come forward at some point and let everyone know that they were involved in her departure thus that being the reason for her not hanging out with them and krystal avoiding snsd would also be a key takeaway as well, even if jessica wouldn't have posted on weibo.

She is very popular in China, even higher than in South Korea. This is why she will come to China to develop. 2022 is the year when she will stand up again. She is very grateful to Chinese fans for cherishing everything here

absolutely! you are more than welcome to translate it into your language. 😊

the only reason why i say that sm should have stepped in and mediated the conflict is because it honestly shouldn't have led to what it did or it's possible that it could've been avoided if they would have stepped in - as we can see, sm was lenient enough to let the members handle things amongst themselves but it ended up going the way it did which was not a good thing at all. i think that is sm's fault as their management and they should have done more even if all the members were adults. the video of jessica and yoona supposedly waving at each other at an after party is something i've never heard about, not even once, but the reason for that could be due to it being deleted rather immediately, like you said, regardless of whether it is edited or real. however, i have never heard of any mention of it. i also think that speculating who was in support of jessica or at least neutral doesn't do any good - just leads to further theorizing and blame being pinpointed on a certain member or members, not saying that people can't have their own theories or opinions because we all definitely can but i just don't think it does any good and jessica made it clear that her being out of the group is something the eight of them wanted.

​@starrygoldensky It was a kind of rushed situation to me.Like did the company even evaluate their decision at all?Did they think kicking out one of the most popular member will not seem suspicious or create controversy at all?

@Yo99753 i agree, it was rushed. actually, after jessica made her weibo posts, media outlets reached out to sm to see what was going on and sm said, "we cannot disclose what is going on yet, but we are reaching out to the proper people to find out the truth of the matter." ( www.allkpop.com/article/2014/09/exclusive-statement-from-sm-entertainment-regarding-girls-generations-jessicas-leaving-the-group ) i don't like using allkpop as a source but here it is. sm said this hours before they made their official statement about jessica being out of the group and the group continuing on as eight. i think that sm saying that "we are reaching out to the proper people to find out the truth of the matter." just goes to show that it was a rushed decision/situation, and that the members indeed leveraged themselves as a group against her and did not want to work with her anymore so sm had no choice but to remove her from the group, regardless of who was in the right or wrong. they would rather risk losing one of the most popular members in the group (although still keeping her under the company until they agreed to terminate her contract a year later) over losing eight members. i think they knew it would create controversy and that it would seem suspicious, which is why the public sentiment was leaning towards being on jessica's side, questioning what happened, and questioning the groups' bond/sisterhood until sm made sure it shifted to solely blaming jessica and throwing a smear campaign her way then eventually blacklisting her. i think this alone just goes to show, like how i mentioned before, that sm was lenient with letting the members handle situations amongst themselves but because sm didn't step in and mediate it, the tension, miscommunication, etc. between the members and jessica kept festering until it led to what it did which was unfortunate. i think there's a possibility that if sm would have stepped in or mediated it early on, perhaps 9/30 could have been avoided but as the saying goes "everything happens for a reason." i just wish jessica didn't have to experience what she went through although we all will have moments we go through that will be our "darkest moments" and "darkest period of time" in our lives as well, if we haven't already experienced them. i get the perspective that they are all adults and shouldn't need the management to step in and de-escalate and mediate but sometimes, adults don't handle situations like adults or very well. if two or more co-workers are having disagreements in the workplace, management will eventually step in and see what's going on so i don't know why it should be any different in jessica's situation just because her and the girls' generation members are idols/artists as well as adults.

@@starrygoldensky Thanks for the well thought out response! If I ever come across the Jessica & Yoona video I’ll try to save it and show you. But again it might have been edited. I would love to hear what you think about it after you see it though. I’m still not over Jessica’s removal. Jessica brings much needed life to their songs especially their Japanese ones. I was able to meet Jessica once in LA after her departure. I got her to sign her solo albums. She was so funny 😂

@@saranguyen2788 no problem at all! i truly am interested in seeing the video because out of all of the things mentioned in regards to possible interactions between jessica and the members, i have never stumbled across that one or heard of it. so, that really is interesting! also, i love that you met jessica and were able to have albums signed by her, i'm sure that was such a great experience! 😊

Imo, Sm could have asked them to go on break. I feel that managing subunits would still cause tension between them and the public. Im extremely surprised that she never got a solo in SM.Tgat would have been reasonable.BTW, Jessica was supposed to be a duo unit with Krystal. They even made an album as well.

that's interesting.

@@starrygoldensky imho i dont think that every girl wanted her out and i think sm had a bigger hand in this all than people think but who knows… would be interested for an honest tell all but sm did admit to much between the lines in their official letter that most people just look over.

@@Isabellawithsnsd9 jessica knows as it was a situation that involved her firsthand and there's never been anything to refute what she's said other than people in her former fandom who don't want to come to terms with the members instigating her removal. jessica said the issue stemmed from the members rather than sm so i believe her first and foremost about that over anyone else's opinions or thoughts on the internet. her official statement and weibo posts gave us insight, she doesn't need to write a tell all or an autobiography for us to know what happened when she already told us. we'll never know if some members didn't want her out but jessica kept saying "eight others" for a reason.

​@@starrygoldensky omg this became longer than intended but TL:DR - i still think everyone who was involved should speak about what happened despite it being very clear that jessica was in fact kicked. i want everyones side, not just one side and SMs lol cause SM has always been trash. but trust me i have always been on jessicas side since i learnt about it, i always say she was kicked when people say she left. cause she was. why else would she renew her contract for three years with snsd like it doesnt make any sense. also to see how many of their shared friendships (between ot9) have ended up with them being with jessica makes you think twice tbh. the longer part: truthfully though i would rather want an honest tell all from everyone involved, not just one side (but silence is also everything after SO many years and 4/8 out of SM). despite jessica being the victim is 100% the truth in this situation. SHE WAS KICKED and unfairly so. but yeah, jessica told her side back in 2014 with her letters + a few interviews after where she has hinted at it, but i dont think its fair to judge her fiction books as to what really happened (her books are sadly why so many ot8 fans hate her, most of them were neutral until she decided to do all that. trust me, defending jessica in the snsd subreddit is hell). the 8 others havent mentiond her (exepct hyoyeon who said "hello jessica jung" on her tiktok live because it was someones nickname), but i find it weird that some of them likes posts (yuri as an example) of her and mentioned they were 9 (sooyoung, hyoyeon, yuri as examples) etc. sm only mentioned her leaving in 2014 and in 2015 when her contract was terminated... but the face she was ERASED from snsds history is truly crazy and i wonder why she didnt sue them when the contract was terminated or whatever... like the holiday night photobook having no photos of ot9... or jaejae cutting her outta pictures... like thats childish af. but ngl i think its easy to group the 8 of them together rather than be specific and mention their names individually like in her statement. she said "sm and the 8 others have informed me" so, it wasnt just the girls only... i also believe that it was one of a gradual change than a "we all want you out" asap but thats my opinion. i also think sm is to blame in the situation, because in the end they are the company... it shows how two faced a company can be (i personally believe sm wanted some of her money from B&E, she said no, so the company influenced the members to make it seem like a bad decision and the most "powerful" or popular members fell for it). to not put any blame on SM is insane when they wrote "we have pulled the 8-membered activites earlier than planned". its weird because again, sm states that jessica wanted out, jessica said she didnt. which makes sense because duh she just renewed for 3 years. like sm fumbled hard because they didnt expect her to drop a statement that fast. but im curious to where she said the problem stemmed from the members? i re-read her statements and it seems very vague and more of a "the company went back on their words and the girls agree with sm". like which sentence do you mean cause im honestly curious? off topic but damn it makes me curious about the friendships that they have shared before 140930 and after... like the friendship the fx girlies has to jessica and ot8. krystal is a given, but it seems like amber quit talking to SNSD after she got out of sm (she did a song with taeyeon where she asked taeyeon directly to collab in 2015... would be weird to ask your bandmates sister ex-member to collab but that might be me only... because now she is besties with jessica ive seen and they collabed for jessicas album in 2023). also ireneisgood stopped hanging out with snsd in 2015/2016? and has hung out with jessica since so i believe that jessica is the innocent one... so dont get me wrong lmfao ive always been on her side since day one!

@@Isabellawithsnsd9 i also want to hear what the members have to say but it's been silence for 10 years. naturally, i'm going to believe one of the people out of the nine that was involved in the situation firsthand who actually has things to substantiate her side of what happened, over waiting around for a 10 year silence to be broken. lol. i don't use the fictional books as proof of what went down, i trust what she said in her weibo post and official statement. i'm not denying that she said "sm and eight others" either. i'm merely saying that she said it was a group decision made by the eight of them; therefore, there's no need to single out certain members (not that i'm saying she would do that) when it was a group decision. quite frankly, i don't care about some of the members liking pictures in regards to jessica or ot9 nor do i care about hyoyeon reading that fan's nickname or comment on instagram live - none of these things mean anything to me nor are they proof of anything. i also have zero energy to discuss this or go back and forth with people who parade around the "sm wanted a cut of her business and she wouldn't give it to them" argument or excuse when that's been debunked as well and it was heavily rumored that there was a contract in place for sm to receive a percentage of royalties from blanc & eclare and she did write about this in bright but again, i don't rely on fictional novels and rumors as proof: sm allowed b&e to be used as product placement in jessica & krystal. sm used and promoted b&e sunglasses in a film they co-produced before jessica got removed from snsd. sm's artists except the snsd members (obviously) have worn b&e throughout the years. in her official statement, she says that the members presented her with an ultimatum a month after the launch of blanc (that's what i'm referring to in regards to the issue/conflict stemming from the members, not sm) she said the ultimatum was unfair then approached sm for clarification about it, and sm gave her permission for a second time to continue doing both. at the end of the day, you're going to have your thoughts about what went down and that's your right, i respect that but i'm honestly getting tired of discussing this with people who always seem to go back to the "but we don't really know what happened because the eight haven't spoken up" or bringing up debunked arguments "sm wanted her out because they weren't getting a cut of her brand" it's just tiresome. anyway, you have a good day and this is my last response in regards to this. i'm glad she released the fictional novels. i said it before and i'll say it again: if people choose to take the fictional plot elements in either of the novels and assign them to the members, that's their own doing and responsibility. people who were "neutral" before the novels were never truly neutral. they would either disregard or overlook what jessica said about what happened in favor of the silence from the other eight. people were going to continue to like/dislike her regardless of the novels. she gets hate from a lot of people in her former fandom regardless of what she does. she can't even celebrate her debut anniversary without getting hate from them.

someone actually asked about krystal in another comment on this video and this is what i said: "i think the only thing that's been discussed about krystal in regards to 9/30 is how she has not interacted with the girls' generation members since jessica's removal. there are actually quite a few of her stans who don't like her being mentioned when it comes to jessica's removal because they feel that it brings hate towards her. however, the observation that she hasn't interacted with any of the girls' generation members is true even though they don't like that being pointed out." i know the music show stage you're referring to, it was said that taeyeon wasn't there that day but her song had won. some krystal stans also don't like this being mentioned either because they feel that it just causes tension between them and sones and they would rather not have that. i completely understand not wanting krystal to be used as a chess piece for fanwars or arguments when it comes to 9/30 or jessica's removal but there's also nothing wrong with people pointing out observations. krystal was actually... i don't know if close is the right word? but she was close or friendly with some of the snsd members before jessica's removal happened - she was close enough with tiffany to send her messages + krystal went with yoona to see jessica's legally blonde musical and at the end of smtown concerts, there were moments where her and yoona would be goofing off together.

@@starrygoldensky Krystal also got a raw deal from SM; all of f(x) did. Sulli ended up ⚰ because SM throws their artists under the bus and doesn't stand up for them. But then again most SK corporations do. F(x) was enticed into renewing their contracts by one measly three-day-four-performance tour, then stuffed in the dungeon and kept out of circulation. SM didn't know what do do with f(x) or how to make money from them, but they knew that someone else could have, and they made damn sure to keep that from happening. f(x) is the group that got me into kpop, so seeing both Jung sisters get shafted has got me admittedly a bit salty about SM. Permanently.

@@starrygoldensky I think I heard Krystal went with Yoona to a funeral (can't remember if Sulli's or someone else) or am I remembering wrong? Yoona and Sunny are really the only ones I'm able to give a benefit of a doubt to.

@rosenightingale5611 sulli's funeral was private, although people were able to confirm that the other four f(x) members attended. it was reported that iu was at the funeral home for all three days that the wake + funeral procession took place and then later on, an article came out about krystal also being at the funeral home for all three days - people were leaving malicious comments about her not posting anything on social media in regards to sulli's passing and then insiders came out saying that she was there for all three days since sulli's passing and was involved in the proceedings. source: x.com/OH_mes2/status/1184750104705585152 www.koreaboo.com/news/insiders-reveal-krystal-sulli-funeral-3-day/ however, jonghyun's funeral was public... there are even videos showing most of the celebrities that arrived to pay their respects. krystal could be seen arriving with managers + staff. yoona could be seen arriving with yuri, along with managers + staff. during the procession or near the end of it, krystal could be seen standing behind or near kangta and siwon (if i'm remembering correctly) just as the casket was finished being put into the car.

@@starrygoldensky Thanks! All of the info got jumbled in my head again it seems.

and the fact that ot8 are the villain and Jessica is the only victim in this incident, but in reality, Jessica is the only one treated as the villain, got all the blame and still suffering. ot8 has never get any punishment nor feel guilty about it too. ah, it is so unfair. when would they get their karma

thank you so much for watching my videos, i genuinely appreciate it. you know what? i don't even think that's snsd's bond is fake or that their sisterhood is fake - i likely was saying something different when 9/30 first happened but over the years, my perspective changed. i think that jessica's removal forced them to work on their communication and any issues they had. yeah, they did push their bond a lot when they became eight (although that's something they did when they were nine too) and they had to showcase that they moved forward and were fine as eight but at the same time, their sisterhood has always been part of their core, their brand, and their image and it simply switched from being all about nine to eight. we'll never know how much of it is for marketing or if it's real, regardless of them being a nine or eight member group, but i also don't want to be one of those people to say that the eight aren't friends because that's something only the eight of them would know and of course in a nine or eight member group, certain members will be closer to each other than others although i think the eight are all cordial with each other even if they aren't super close or if some are closer to certain members, and as i said above, i think jessica's removal made them realize a lot and work through some things with each other... it's just unfortunate that it happened this way but that's just my opinion. i also don't think that the snsd members are evil or awful people for being involved in her removal and instigating it but it was a huge mistake and it was wrong. i guess people don't want to come to terms with the fact that they were involved because they don't want to think that the people they're a fan of are capable of doing such a thing but at the end of the day, we're all humans. lastly, i want to say that i appreciate your words about me "amplifying a voice that is often ignored when 9/30 is brought up." that's such a lovely thing to say and it's nice to finally see someone sharing the same sentiments about the "it's been ten years, move on" comments or about how they would be in the golden star fandoms' shoes if this happened to their biases or ults.

they are pretending ot8 are babies who can't take any responsibility

ah, thank you so much for your sweet comment, i truly appreciate it! 😊💕

How was it caused by the other girls?? Sorry, I’m new to SNSD! 😅

Wasn't it Sooyoung, who mainly mentions this. The last time I heard it last year, everyone was awkward.

no, that's not wrong at all. support and love both if that's what you want to do. 😊

@@starrygoldensky Thanks

thank you so much! 🩷

sooyoung actually had a brand before Jessica

​@@ywc9644 are you talking about beaming effect? it was actually launched in 2015, after b&e. but there was a rumor that she was supposed to have a clothing brand named on & on in 2013.

​@@saturnshyesorry for wrong info. I checked again On&on by sooyoung in 2013, On&on was not her brand but they launched products designed by sooyoung at SM pop up store

@@saturnshye but still, sooyoung just prove SM did not against them open fashion brand at all, just the members themselves don't like it when Jessica do it.

The embarrassment is real

imagine if she broke up with tyler? if jessica gives her brand ownership to tyler in could have been worse since tyler is known for his bad reputation in the past. Maybe Jessica couldn't trust him completely cuz at that time their relationship is still not that long

that's a question i cannot answer but based on her official statement, she said that business contracts were already finalized (which they were, she had one finalized with lane crawford in early september 2014, blanc & eclare's official twitter even posted about it) when the members presented her with the ultimatum and that she couldn't back out of the contracts and that the ultimatum was unfair. so, i'm assuming she did want to be involved in the business aspect of it to an extent as her brand was something she was also passionate about and would want to be involved every step of the way? however, sm still gave her permission twice to do her business activities and be in girls' generation so even if that's something she could've done, in terms of transferring ownership, she shouldn't have had to do that if she had the go ahead to do both and the second time she got permission was when she went to sm to get clarification about the ultimatum the members presented to her.

@@starrygoldensky ah interesting point. also has anyone discussed Krystal? Krystal was the It-Girl for SM that brought in lots of money, and I don't think she was ever blacklisted. in the book, she received an anonymous text that they were coming after Krystal as well. also, if the ultimatum was unfair and she already has contract signed and permission from SM but SM then kicks her out and blacklists her, she never filed a lawsuit against SM....(?) was it all to protect Krystal? Maybe you can make a part 3 of the video :)

​​@clippyland i think the only thing that's been discussed about krystal in regards to 9/30 is how she has not interacted with the girls' generation members since jessica's removal. there are actually quite a few of her stans who don't like her being mentioned when it comes to jessica's removal because they feel that it brings hate towards her. however, the observation that she hasn't interacted with any of the girls' generation members is true even though they don't like that being pointed out. i'm assuming jessica didn't pursue a lawsuit against sm because if you go based on her novels (i don't like to rely on the novels or rumors but there is actual proof that sm didn't have any issues with her brand) there was a contract in place for sm to receive a percentage of royalties from blanc & eclare, and they supported it and maybe she didn't see the need to file a lawsuit since her and sm were able to come to an agreement to terminate her contract early and that's all she wanted? or maybe she didn't want to deal with a legal battle although some have speculated that she possibly held off from pursuing one because krystal was still signed to sm? but these are all just assumptions and speculations and things we won't have answers to unless jessica herself was to tell us why she didn't bother to pursue legal action against sm. there was also speculation that sm isn't directly blacklisting her but it's moreso indirect (however, if this were true, it's still happening based on their influence and they still deserve to be blamed) meaning that due to what happened with jyj, it's possible the broadcasting companies, etc. decided on their own not to work with her to avoid any negative repercussions from sm that could've potentially stemmed from working with jessica. i'm not going to say that i won't be creating anymore videos because we all see how that worked out the past few times i said it, lol. but i probably won't be creating a part three since i'm not sure what could actually be discussed for there to be a part three.

Tyler was just her boyfriend and still is, not her husband.

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because she had proved the sosi bond is fake which they can't accept that reality. they want their national girl group stay at a pure/perfect image too much that they want Jessica to be the only villain.

Didn't Taeyeon get hate for this? Also it reminds me of 2ne1. Minzy was blamed for breaking the group apart when it was Yg fault for not managing them.

@@Yointrovert She did because a lot of people thought there was bad blood between her and Jessica before. And why Jessica said she was forced out by the 8 members and the company people found a reason to point fingers on her. But we all know Jessica said clearly the 8 members were responsible.

@@YointrovertTaeyeon initially got hate because she was still dealing with the backlash of dating Baekhyun. People also noticed tension between her & Jessica. Combine that with Taeyeon being the leader, people were definitely going to come for her

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Right? Their source being some random comment on a messaging board 😭

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I doubt it. Jessica was really hurted by the ones she trusted

hopefully that's something they will do on their own terms and not because of the wishes of others - hurt was caused, and damage was done. if that's something they all happen to work through together, that would be great but if not, that's completely understandable too.

most cases, people won't befriend with their ex-friends nor ex-boy/girlfriends even ex-wife/husband because they were not broke up for no reason.

are u still kpop fans? because there are many other cases have idols' parents/family involved when they are all adults. idols were all children/teenager when they became a trainee, they need parents/family permission when signing contract with agency. many parents/family members financially depend on them/gain benefit from them while idols usually not mentally mature enough or lack of social experience, so idols usually let their parents/family members deeply involved making decisions of their career

that's wild especially with garam who still gets talked about and is missed heavily by some fearnots and her solo stans (shocked she has any) but jessica is being omitted like she never existed in snsd (and gave very iconic moments in snsd's songs)