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The Win and In Podcast #12: The Best Abzan Deck in cEDH! With Wood Tier Ahri (Jay)
#cedh #commander #magicthegathering
One of the top cEDH pilots from the UK Jay (Wood Tier Ahri) joins Max P to tbreak down the Abzan powerhouse deck Tymna/Kodama. Is this the best Abzan pile in the meta?
Jay's Tymna/Kodama List:
www.moxfield.com/decks/j-DkxzFokEiHNH7C2x04YQ
Max P on X:
x.com/thepfef
Win and In on Spotify:
open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY
Win and In Discord:
discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88
Win and In Patreon
patreon.com/WinandInCEDH
00:00 Intro
00:14 Meeting Jay (Wood Tier Ahri)
00:54 First Encounter and Playing the Deck
01:39 Jay's Transition to cEDH
04:20 Evolution of the Deck
05:21 Deck Comparison and Key Cards
06:56 Why Tymna/Kodama and Why Abzan
13:10 Engines and Synergies
17:41 Winning Strategies and Combos
27:24 Strategic Card Plays and Combos
28:20 Favorite and Underplayed Cards
30:18 Stax Deck vs. Deck with Stax Pieces
35:00 Matchups: Best and Worst Opponents
38:24 Mulligans and Opening Hands
46:28 Final Thoughts and Advice
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The Win and In Podcast #11: cEDH in Europe! The European Championship in Lisbon.
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering BlackBolt (Afonso) cEDH star from Portugal joins Max P to talk about the European cEDH Championship in Lisbon and all the crazy differences between cEDH in the United States vs Europe. Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Win and In Patreon patreon.com/WinandInCEDH 00:00 Start 00:14 Intr...
The Win and In Podcast #10: You can't predict the weather OR the Boil 2 in the new cEDH Meta
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering Ashani, The Jamaican Dude joins Max P in the futile effort to predict cEDH's biggest event: The Boil 2 The Demon Time: First Horeseman cEDH Tournament: topdeck.gg/event/pr5Rwamyq6yU2jdo3jO1 Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Win and In Patreon patreon.com/WinandInCEDH 00:00 Start 00:14...
The Win and In Podcast #9: Wait? Sisay isn't dead? And Max P wins a Tournament!
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering TolariaEast joins Max P to discuss the new, maybe even better post-ban Sisay, and Max's big win at Festival of Knights 2. TolariaEast on Twitter: x.com/TolariaEast_ Sisay Discord: discord.gg/the-weatherlight-compleated-1020345754449104896 Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Win and In P...
The Win and In Podcast #8: Brewing Winning cEDH Decks after the Bans with Memo
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering Memo joins the show to talk about brewing and winning in cEDH after the ban. Memo on Twitter: x.com/_Memo_4302 Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Win and In Patreon patreon.com/WinandInCEDH 00:14 Introduction and Guest Introduction 00:50 Memo's Background and cEDH Journey 02:16 Rise an...
The Win and In Podcast #7: CEDH Gets the Ban Hammer
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering Max P is joined by Jorman and Kevin (VarrakS) to talk about the gigantic elephant in the room: The RC's ban hammer. Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Win and In Patreon patreon.com/WinandInCEDH 00:14 Introduction and Unexpected News 00:49 Reactions to the Bans 02:47 Impact on Decks an...
The Win and In Podcast #6: Can You Apply Chess and Poker Strategies to CEDH? With Orry Suen
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering Max P is joined by Orry Suen winner of multiple CEDH Tournaments including TopDeck Expo, Fishbowl II and SCG Con Las Vegas. We get to take a good look inside Orry’s brain, his CEDH journey and some unique ways he brings Chess and Poker strategies into his CEDH play. Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discor...
The Win and In Podcast #5: CEDH is Alive and Kicking! With Spuki, the Pantlaza man.
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#cedh #commander #magicthegathering In this episode of Win and In host Max P. interviews Spuki, the Pantlaza man an emerging star in the CEDH community known for his off-meta 'Pantlaza' deck. They discuss Jacob's journey into CEDH, the development of Pantlaza, and his experiences in the competitive scene. Spuki and Max shake off the doom and gloom of the last couple of weeks to showcase that in...
The Win and In Podcast #4: What if we actually changed the banlist for CEDH?
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#cedh #magicthegathering #commander Malcolm Beckford joins Max P to go card by card through the proposed ban list leaked last week and discuss their potential impact on CEDH if the list became a reality some day. CEDH RC Website: www.cedhrc.com/ CEDH RC Discord: discord.gg/SffbzNh5TC Win and In on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4MFdgaF1fOGMwsE5KrP6EY Win and In Discord: discord.gg/mFs3gdfg88 Ma...
The Win and In Podcast #3: The State of the CEDH Format with FreedomWaffle
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#cedh #magicthegathering #commander CEDH RC Member FreedomWaffle joins Max P for the State of the CEDH Format. They explore the recent developments in CEDH governance, the diversity and health of the meta, tournament logistics, and the impact of proxy use. Hear insights on the challenges of ensuring competitive balance, fostering a welcoming community, and promoting positive player experiences....
The Win and In Podcast #2: CEDH Reaches the Pro Level! The TopDeck Invitational and Open Breakdown!
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#cedh #magicthegathering #commander Breaking Down the Top Deck Invitational and Open: Controversies, Highlights, and the Future of CEDH Join host Max P and guest the Tameshi guy, Naestrome, as they dissect the intense first Top Deck Invitational. They delve into their personal experiences and performance, highlighting key moments, controversies, and the ultimate outcomes of the event. Get insig...
The Win and In CEDH Podcast #1: Predicting the Ultimate CEDH Tournament!
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#cedh #magicthegathering #commander Welcome to the first episode of the Winning in Podcast, hosted by Max P. In this premier episode, Max is joined by the legendary Ashani, also known as Jamaican Dude. The two dive deep into discussions about upcoming CEDH tournaments, specifically focusing on the Super Bowl of CEDH events featuring both the Open with 256 players and the Invitational with the 6...

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  • @lewisdavis780
    @lewisdavis780 9 годин тому

    I played him in london, a new guy

  • @egoish6762
    @egoish6762 18 годин тому

    I know that guy!

  • @blarghonkhonk
    @blarghonkhonk День тому

    My bad thought this was about tayam

    • @Naren25
      @Naren25 День тому

      Max has Tayam proxied, it's only a matter of time!

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH День тому

      @@Naren25 I should do a Tayam deck teck?

    • @Naren25
      @Naren25 День тому

      @WinandInCEDH 100% You've got the contacts. Maybe wait a month or two, don't want two Abzan deck techs in a row!

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH 22 години тому

      @@Naren25 how was the format of the deck tech? Thinking about doing a bunch more of these.

    • @Naren25
      @Naren25 22 години тому

      ​@WinandInCEDH Pretty much perfect! I think it's especially important to talk about matchups and mulligans, so I feel you got that right.

  • @isometricme
    @isometricme День тому

    The third hottest British CEDH player! ❤

  • @josephcalvin6877
    @josephcalvin6877 День тому

    UK represent! Jay is a lovely guy and skilled player. Nice to see his deck get some love.

  • @Besphynx
    @Besphynx День тому

    Collector Ouphe makes me sad :(

  • @amfuzzlel3377
    @amfuzzlel3377 День тому

    hell of an episode, hell of a blonde

  • @kekw4007
    @kekw4007 День тому

    Yooooo the UK GOAT (as in the Animal what else did you expect) on Win and In ?

  • @JonathanFerguson-b9h
    @JonathanFerguson-b9h День тому

    First

  • @kilroy333
    @kilroy333 9 днів тому

    I’d like to explore a way to combine the Europe and NA rules, perhaps by setting a limit of two restarts. The issue of kingmaking is honestly quite challenging to address effectively.

  • @LeonWoolsey
    @LeonWoolsey 10 днів тому

    Ban pact of negation and it removes 90% of the toxic politicking

  • @youngguunz
    @youngguunz 11 днів тому

    maybe this is loaded, maybe it's obvious and I'm missing something but why are Max P & Max S not podcasting together anymore? Was such a great pair </3

  • @brendanmangan6225
    @brendanmangan6225 11 днів тому

    Hey Max I played kess with you round 1, was great to meet ya keep up the good work. If you are ever in Ireland hit me up we can get some games... hopefully I won't get my brain freeze storm trigger trickbinded again 😆

  • @NickIurato
    @NickIurato 12 днів тому

    Why not make life totals matter? If a match goes to time, highest life total wins

    • @NickIurato
      @NickIurato 12 днів тому

      That would kill two birds with one stone; less draws, and I won't have to listen to as many mono black players tell me that life is a resource

  • @maxturnsky4230
    @maxturnsky4230 13 днів тому

    I remember some months ago the adding of the politicking targets rule, but now I can't find any mention of it anywhere. Is there somewhere it is explicitly stated?

  • @Lostking95
    @Lostking95 14 днів тому

    Could you possibly provide subtitles? This guest was extremely hard to understand, and I couldn't finish the episode

  • @andresenriquezgomez6910
    @andresenriquezgomez6910 15 днів тому

    Great podcast! I was also playing the tournaments but didn't have the chance to play against any of you since my first four rounds were 4 draws. The restart thing is not the usual system in Europe, at least in Spain we only allow them in the top cut, but not in the swiss. Definitely the extra time issue was really tough, but great experience anyways and already waiting for next year.

  • @igiwarcraft
    @igiwarcraft 15 днів тому

    Hey. I was really looking forward to hearing this episode. It was nice to meet you at the tournament, and also I was so happy to play with Alfonso in the quarterfinals (even though I performed poorly). I heard great things about him and I can confirm, it was easily the most enjoyable game of the tournament for me. Hope to see you both in Germany if not sooner :) -even

  • @EspenOset
    @EspenOset 15 днів тому

    It was great to meet you both, and play! For time, I think the real problem was the very lax overtime-rules. 20 minutes "soft" overtime cap just means the round is "really" 95 minutes, and then play out the final turn, that late in the game, it very rarely gets to a point where all 4 players pass their final turn in under 20 minutes anyway. And in a 277 player event, every round will have someone spending all of those 20 minutes + then finishing the final turn. There is just no world where the final turn of at least one table starts at the 95 minute mark (+ judge exertions). For draws, I don't think they add any time to the swiss rounds. Maybe they are even good there because there is kind of no downside. Players already have some incentive to force draws in swiss. And if a draw means a restart, that theoretically just causes fewer actual draws in the standings. In single elim however, there are some issues with draws. Two main ones I see: 1: players where not great at evaluating when to restart. I saw a lot of restarts that where just from kind of stalled boards, where at least one, maybe even two players should have refused the restart because they where in a > 25% position. This was good for me, because I got to restart a few games I was fully out of, but I definitly think players should mostly stick to using restarts when its "forced" with a win on the stack etc. 2: The potential future problem with restarts we saw in my semi finals. And that is when 3 players just decide to force the fourth to take the draw. This happened in my semi finals. Where 3 of us made a deal to just pass a wishclaw around between us and get stuff to fuck the fourth who was refusing the draw he didn't come around. This ofc because he was in a clear leading position (maybe, see point 1), but its kind of the same as forcing a player to ID or get targeted in swiss, not a great play pattern, but fully legal. If that game didn't allow restarts. I think it would have forced me into a much more risky line, or maybe a deal with one other player to try and survive a rotation. And I think that's a better outcome for competitive integrity.

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH 15 днів тому

      @@EspenOset great to meet you as well. I agree with all of your points here.

  • @NorthStarcedh
    @NorthStarcedh 16 днів тому

    From a TO point of view on how the rounds are structured in Europe are a planning nightmare. The longest overtime we have had in our local was roughly 45 min, and I thought that was bad, but we have also had a 3-hour untimed game before.

  • @maxalexa2
    @maxalexa2 16 днів тому

    If one player dies early but the overall game ends in a draw. Does the player that died get a draw or a loss?

  • @savagestreamin1031
    @savagestreamin1031 16 днів тому

    I don't understand the Chord of Calling example used. How can you be held to get the card you said you would get before the spell resolved. Isn't that just an aspect of lying. You either counter the Chord or you pass prio and what ever happens happens.

  • @mtgomindgrind8145
    @mtgomindgrind8145 16 днів тому

    the restarts are definitely one of the reasons for rounds to go long because it makes that more rounds have the chance to go to extra turns, therefore being one of the tables that drag the round forever

  • @cEDHPT
    @cEDHPT 16 днів тому

    a pleasure having you here ! <3

  • @kaasham8871
    @kaasham8871 16 днів тому

    The restarts and the extra turns is not normal in Europe… this was a strange event. Nobody from Europe was happy…

  • @kaasham8871
    @kaasham8871 16 днів тому

    I saw you there!!❤

  • @Plesnn
    @Plesnn 16 днів тому

    The sound quality here is absolutely unacceptable. You’re calling it a podcast, but the post-production on the audio is very poor and needs improvement :(

    • @SimoneColaci
      @SimoneColaci 15 днів тому

      lol I was able to understand everything they said

  • @GinoMorell
    @GinoMorell 16 днів тому

    Progenitus guy here: its been an honor playing with you! Also im extremely happy i dodged that two hour session so early. When i learned about the restart we were already on the other side of town on a boat :D

  • @SkillIssue60
    @SkillIssue60 16 днів тому

    I just think the restarts makes for a poor viewer and player experience. Games go super long which exhausts the players.

  • @lordndrew
    @lordndrew 16 днів тому

    Just curious. Is it possible to have a system where draws doesn’t earn you points. So like wins gets 3 and draws and losses gets 0. Would this discourage draws? Since it’s either win and in or bust?

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH 16 днів тому

      @lordndrew you still need tie breakers to figure out top cut. Without draw points you're incentivized to kingmake to drive up your opponent win%. So you end up with a kingmaking problem in place of the draw problem.

  • @rubensmith776
    @rubensmith776 16 днів тому

    It was great meeting you, shame I was asleep the whole time you were at our airbnb for games. 😂

  • @amfuzzlel3377
    @amfuzzlel3377 16 днів тому

    That picture will stay with me forever ❤

  • @WTGonMTG
    @WTGonMTG 16 днів тому

    That tournament seemed pretty intense from watching. Wish I could’ve experienced this one

  • @clxoud4450
    @clxoud4450 16 днів тому

    Being fairly new to the Cedh scene this past year has been filled with milestones. I’ve had the honor of playing and against Afonso during one of the invitationals that he ended up winning and he’s such a knowledgeable and kind person, it was great to hear is thoughts and opinions on the metagame. It was also a great privilege to have played against you Max on your very last game in Lisbon on Tuesday at Mercadia. I apologise for taking a 20 m turn at 1 am while presenting the win on Sisay 😂! All around this was great podcast and best wishes to you !

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH 16 днів тому

      Haha that game was nuts! I didn't think you were going to get there...

    • @clxoud4450
      @clxoud4450 16 днів тому

      Couple of lucky Dihada flickers hahaha

  • @dvdpekard
    @dvdpekard 16 днів тому

    Loved hanging out with you those 2 days Max ❤

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH 16 днів тому

      Bro, the pleasure was all mine, had an absolute blast! Those last games in Mercadia were the perfect way to end the trip. Hope to jam with you in Germany next year my friend.

    • @dvdpekard
      @dvdpekard 16 днів тому

      @@WinandInCEDH already working on convincing the lady to have a vacation in Munich for the tournament next year. Now I gotta work on getting the deck ready for the Qualifiers.

  • @dvdpekard
    @dvdpekard 16 днів тому

    Big Afonso! 🙏 Been playing with that dude for years ❤

  • @uscgckatwalker
    @uscgckatwalker 16 днів тому

    First

  • @BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh
    @BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh 28 днів тому

    I’m coming to this party late but I want to weigh in on Shorikai. I tried it pre bans. It gold fished like it would be unstoppable. And it can get to unstoppable status. I lost 100% of prob 7 games I tested it pre ban. I’ve played it 6 games post ban and have 2 wins. Obv that’s a tiny sample, but it feels a whole lot better now. Players used to just win the game while I was setting up my invincible engines. Now they only win the game before I can set up invincible engines 🤔 MOST of the time.. I think it is good enough to compete now. I still have much more luck w Malcolm decks (don’t ask which one, I love em all 😉) Shorikai will take over. It’s able to out grind thrassios decks.. by seriously a lot.

  • @nan0jade999
    @nan0jade999 Місяць тому

    totally agree with the master of keys take

  • @kamisamataka117
    @kamisamataka117 Місяць тому

    I’ve been seeing some sweet tevesh/thrasios decks lately. Love how green has gotten a boost post ban.

  • @rd1012
    @rd1012 Місяць тому

    Comedian and Wounded are the top Kinnan pilots atm. but Shitz, im pining for your Mardu deck MaxP!!

  • @KidoBedo
    @KidoBedo Місяць тому

    I can't understand this dude

  • @Oz__MTG
    @Oz__MTG Місяць тому

    RogSi and kinnan are doing numbers.

  • @rodneyyapi5014
    @rodneyyapi5014 Місяць тому

    Consensus seems like they got it right with the bans ..... roll put may have been bad but they did edh and cedh correctly. I personally wish to thank them. I love that skill is rewarded.... way it should be imho

  • @Wavy_hashira
    @Wavy_hashira Місяць тому

    My prediction is a unexpected deck takes the win, the reason a lot of decks are better is because people respect them less due to the bans. For Example Korvold does not get the same respect so it can takeover, same with Godo etc.

  • @GoldSabertooth
    @GoldSabertooth Місяць тому

    Master of Keys Haters Ball

  • @MRAIClassroom
    @MRAIClassroom Місяць тому

    Max can I have the link to ur T n T list?

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH Місяць тому

      www.moxfield.com/decks/YFkpvGTAmEupN2CQD2S4gA

  • @cwwilson1475
    @cwwilson1475 Місяць тому

    Gitrog grinding station, trust me 🐸

  • @cwwilson1475
    @cwwilson1475 Місяць тому

    R.I.P lilly pad mentor 🐸

    • @joemasta99
      @joemasta99 Місяць тому

      They sleeping on the lily splash cloud of fairies lol

    • @WinandInCEDH
      @WinandInCEDH Місяць тому

      @@cwwilson1475 little guy never had a chance.

  • @LemorasCards
    @LemorasCards Місяць тому

    Rog/Thras is better post ban imo. Doing my best to keep cooking with it 👨‍🍳