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It would be interesting to know what exactly it was that led to Voynich believing it was a work by the famous medieval scholars Roger Bacon or Albertus Magnus. That could eventually lead us to the possibility, that the manuscript indeed is a forgery, that of a skilled person in the early 1400, who sold it to a rich collector and lover of antique books, to which an original document that was presumably from the hands of no other than an already legendary figure like Roger Bacon would be very appealing to have in his own posession, The fact that it is written in a strange kind of secret writing could make it even more attractive, for the hypothetical buyer would most likely himself be a conaisseur of ancient texts, maybe hoping his scholarly expertise would allow him to decipher its meaning or even discover some sensational alchemystic revelation like the actual recipe on how to turn lead into gold... The art of forging documents or other rare and special artifacts is a very ancient trade and it definitely existed in various form in the early 15th century,l most prominently in the form of the manufacturing of fake christian relics that were bought and sold for fantastic sums of money. Anyway, I highly appreciate the solid approach of the video to give us an overview on reliable evidence on the Voynich Manuscript. A true You tube gem!

What if they're not letters, but numbers? Maybe there's 0-9, 10, 20, 30 or something like that, and those numbers decode to letters or syllables or other entries in a lookup table. Thirteen distinct glyphs should be more than sufficient for a simple "page/line/number" lookup table that's still more or less in base 10. If you're willing to abandon base 10, it could take even fewer. Also some of it may not _be_ words, but tables of numbers. Perhaps someone was doing a little alchemy and wanted to keep good notes, but didn't want to be _caught_ doing alchemy and thus wrote it in code. The author may have _wanted_ it to be indecipherable to everyone else.

I thought the alphabet was just 5 letters.Does that mean my theory is correct ?

There is a common template from antiquity known by all the ancient philosophical masters, but not by the masses in public. Us. It is why we see common points between stories like Greek Myth and Jewish religious genre of myth. Jason sailing through clashing rocks and Moses running through Red Sea are the parts we seek. Those are crossing the threshold. There is one human, needed inner path to peace, nested in all manner of outward looking carriers. The monomyth. Nested like fables are nested. The true meaning must be extracted from the weird stories. I see nothing in this manuscript that would square with the other teachings. I think it's someones artistic project. Doesn't come close to DaVinci's art in clarity of meaning. It's abstract unless someone finds a cheat code that properly aligned critical thinkers using full cognitive skills agree with. (I was polite. Foil hat folk and supernaturalist's lack those skills)

In the times this was put together, there was no electricity and no internet. Imagine having all of your time free to do something, and the only thing hard to imagine is why there aren't more of these from antiquity. We got Aesop's Fables, Greek myths and tragedies, Religious doctrine from India to Abrahamic evolving derivations, et al. I say it's a fun distraction for those prone to think Aliens built the pyramids, Earth is flat, Moon landing was a Hoax, Jesus is coming back any day now mentalities. It's foil hat fodder but nevertheless a fun and mysterious collection of someones artistry.

So, you're saying it's either in a completely invented language or it's nonsense?

Good points, I love the breakdown. when I say it’s fake, I mean there is no meaning behind the images. That their art not codes.

I don’t think it’s language at all. At least not in the usual sense. I think it’s musical. There’s only 13 characters, so language doesn’t really work. However music can control emotions, and that in itself can be a language. If you close your eyes while listening to classical music you can feel what the composer is trying to say, with enough practice. Anyway, that’s my theory.

Its a real hoax

My hand writing has a lot of these different forms of letters based upon where they are in a word, it's probably why my teachers had trouble reading it! I've got 3 or 4 forms I use for almost every letter, it's weird, and that's not even counting my uppercase forms... My G's are hilarious. If it's at the start it has a short tail that flicks upwards, if it's in the middle it looks like a q and if it's at the end it has a tail that underlines the entire word.

13 is half of 26. There are 26 letters in the English alphabet. It's a substitution code where each of the 13 symbols represents 2 actual characters.

Always thought the script in this manuscript looks alot like Sindarin from Lord of the Rings, I wonder whether Tolkien did that on purpose?

I worked it out years ago. But I couldn’t share it if I wanted to. Why deprive so many people of this pursuit? Happy “hunting” though 😊

😂 13 letters produces garbage. I love your wording. Thank you for this fascinating video

this is one of the most interesting things I learned so far about the Voynich manuscript, very weird but helpful

Could be short hand.

The theory that the Voynich Manuscript was made by nuns seems fitting in more ways than one. 1/ The overal content of the VM that seems geared towards female health practices 2/ Secret language that is invokes the idea of secret woman languages such as lingua ignota 3/ Inquisition was well and alive in the region during and after the time of the creation (mostly geared towards Hussites, but as Michelle Lewis points out, there was an effort to curb influence of women as well) 4/ Speculative but from my uneducated view it does not seem like VM was created by experienced scholars, as both the drawings and overal page composition seems to a certain extend amateurish, as if done by someone who did not recieve formal education (like nuns who for the most part were limited in how much can they further their education beyond reading and writing) It´s concievable that the VM was confistated as Jesuits put it under the lock because y´know, woman secrets bad! As Michelle Lewis said that she is looking into doctors of influential families around Nurnberg, it would be interesting to take a look if any nunneries in the area were visited by inquisition, or nuns executed, and for what stated reasons. But great work finding these similarities, I wish you all well in your further endeavours and I hope you find more clues to this fascinating mystery!

Depends upon what one might mean by "fake"? But is it "real"? idk tough call

Dipping my fingers as someone who has never reserched it too thoroughly: I find it most likely to be either some artificial language or a language that is now extinct and left no other atested instances other than the Voinich manuscript. Other explanations dont seem to be able to explain it since it doesnt match closely with any known language and people have tried fitting it to anything spoken in the broad west-eurasia and north africa region. But being the only piece of text in an unknown language would explain why it doesnt match. There are some people that make artificial languages or conlangs nowadays for a hobby or whatever and there seems likely they've existed for a long time, the weird features of Voinichese could be explainable as a quirk of that process. Likewise being some weird minority language that went under the radar, got used for the manuscript with no other documentation and no modern descendents could also explain why it doesnt resemble any known languages. Either way would make cracking it almost infeasible since you need something like a bilingual text or at the very least knowledge of a related language to crack unknown scripts and if the Voinich manuscript was easy to translate, it would've been long ago.

Everyone is wrong apparently

Maybe they are numbers written similarly to roman numerals and those numbers somehow relate to a word. Not necessarily something alphanumeric letter by letter but maybe a number corresponds to a whole word.

I'd rather buy a $300 knockoff of a kislux and have $3000 in the bank. At the end of the day it's just a bag and will wear out like any other bag. The cost of the raw materials isn't that high. The real question is, how much do you value the authenticity?

Have you looked at the Thai writing system? It’s highly regulated, but there are basically no exceptions to those rules, like a handful. And a *lot* of letters depends their sound on their position in the word and proximity to other letters and tone signs. Might be something to consider. But yes, probably one of the languages with most individual consonant and vowel glyphs.

I've been curious about the Voynich Manuscript for years. I'm just discovering your channel today, and I'm so glad it's here. :]

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What's the current agreement/disagreement on the manuscript being written in some form of Old Turkic?

So, what if it’s all numbers? Have there been any theories along those lines? I guess we could even reduce the amount of letters some more with positional variants as well as scribal variants, at which point a system akin to Roman numerals could be plausible. If there is indeed some meaning encoded, then that would of course only be an intermediary step, but it may well be worthwhile.

I like how, apparently, effort went into making the transliteration scheme (which could as well have been arbitrary, because... well) pronounceable. reminds me of KOI-8, that was designed to remain (kinda-sorta) legible when passed through non-8-bit-clean equipment and software

At this point, the age seems to be settled. The question is: Is there anything encoded in the text, or is it just nonsense. A few years back, I have heard about some statistical analysis which indicates that it is indeed meaningless, due to certain repetitions which come at predictable intervals. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the details and also can’t seem to find it again. But whoever did it actually developed a heuristic with which he could replicate it. Or so I seem to remember. However, if true, that would mean that someone around 1410-1425 went through a whole lot of trouble developing such a heuristic, spent tons of money on parchment and put a lot of effort into writing the document, without obvious motive. So my follow-up question would be whether we know of a market for obscure books in the late Middle Ages? Were there people like Emperor Rudolf? Could it be feasible for this to have been a money making scheme? I certainly have never heard of that and it would seem to be more reasonable to simply copy a real book if you already have the parchment and the talent to do so. But then, encoding a proper text with an exceedingly complicated cypher also seems to be strange. Only the communication of state secrets or something comparable seem to warrant such an endeavour and those would be transmitted in letter form, not book form, let alone the fact that the illustrations don’t seem to fit that kind of thing at all. At this point, I’m leaning slightly towards the "nonsense content" camp. But it’s certainly strange either way.

has AI been given a crack at the manuscript?

If you're a Blue Archive player I think you've heard of this. The game used various popular OOParts as skill leveling materials such as Voynich Manuscript, Baghdad Battery, Antikythera Mechanism, etc.

Just my opinion. I think the text makes jusy as much sense as the illustration. IE F all. Those plants exist just as much as that language exists. The drawings were first obviously, then they came up with a mysterious looking fake alphabet and just scrawled it according to a certain set of rules. Thats just me though. 🤓

I was thinking it was created by someone who was an idiot savant, or possibly an autistic person. Apparently there are no corrections of any sort anywhere in the document/book. Beats me, that someone could translate cuneiform but can't translate this. Regardless, it's a beautiful book.

It's so sad that you all will never really know...

If you were ever a Dungeon Master you know what this is.

This dutch guy is making a lot of assumptions. How can my theory be wrong when i dont have a theory to begin with. The book is batshit crazy, we'll never know wtf its supposed to mean

Not long after Lisa‘s last post on her UA-cam channel, I saw a castle with a swallow tail, battlements and the clay drainage tile. I saved it and never sent it to her. I regret it now. I think you might find it interesting. I’m pretty sure it was past Bulgaria More east not quite turkey or Armenia. I’ll have to look for it and find it for you. I think you’ll find it interesting

15:36 I started seeing butterflies, birds and some small faces in those leaves and I can't unsee them now! The root looks like a scarab beetle. It's hard for me not to think that there's a kind of lying motif in that picture.

12:15 צחקתח בקול, איזה איסטר אג מדהים לדוברי עברית 😂😂😂

Randomly stumbled upon this so this is baseless conjecture but the rigidity of the language made me think of medieval music. While I don't think I've heard any performances of music written in the 15th century, I know that 16th century lute music for example has very predictable and repetitive phrases in it that all tend to end the same way. I wonder if anyone has attempted to analyze the manuscript as a musical composition and found this to be implausible or something

29:22 "qokain"??? was that what those herbs were?

My personal pet hypothesis is that the manuscript was written by a monk or a nobleman in a state of what we might now call psychosis/delusion/schizophrenia. From the rigid repetitiveness of Voynichese, which makes it unfit to convey any real meaning, to the plant drawings, which resemble those from treatises on herbology, but go ‘off the rails’ and depict plants that cannot possibly be real. To me, it all very closely resembles the writings of for example present day crackpot physicists, which often include nonsensical concepts and symbols, and are often little more than an impression of what mathematical formulas would look like to someone who has no real background in physics. The question is of course where a medieval crackpot would have gotten this much expensive vellum. Perhaps he was from a wealthy family.

What if a letter becomes an all new letter depending on where it is? So for example, let's say that we have made up alphabet nr. 1 with this word: addidaasa So let's assume that in this made up alphabet, a symbol can represent multiple letters, based on where it is. So in our made up example, let's say that the symbol "a" can be either of 3 letter, depending on whether it's at the beginning, end, or somewhere in the middle, so if we wanted to translate it to our alphabet, it would be like this: cddidxxsy Not sure if this has an actual name, it's similar to how in Spanish there's like 3 letters pronounced as "H" (H, G and J in certain situations), but obviously this would be more extreme, and the same symbol would literally mean different letters. Also not sure if anybody would have ever used this, since it seems incredibly obnoxious to use, and you would just add more symbols instead of going with this, but hey, we don't know if the writers had some sort of constraint on the number of letters they can use. Maybe they had a bet going xD

Maybe the author was dyslexic and just wrote how words sounded to him ;P

This video like almost all videos fails to explore the real issue with the manuscript. THE WRITING!! A deep analysis of the writing needs to be done.

imagine if people are just trying to decode medieval lorem ipsum

Is it too rigid and predictable have been written as a form of speaking in tongues?

Just to play devils advocate a bit: would it be possible that the whole manuscript is legitimate and from the 1410-1425 period… but that the lettering was somehow altered to make the thing unintelligible for whatever reason? Or would ink analysis have picked up on that? Love the fashion break down! Dates the document very firmly!

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Could it be a fifteenth century fake