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Why Does Arethion Have Rituals?
Contrary to popular belief, "ritual" isn't a scary word. Rituals are everywhere - birthday parties, tailgates, parades, handshakes, and more. Let's reclaim the word "ritual."
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Chapters:
00:00-01:28 - A strange ritual
01:29-02:39 - Rituals are everywhere
02:40-04:14 - What is "ritual?"
04:15-05:23 - Why is ritual so prevalent?
05:24-06:25 - Reclaiming the word "ritual"
06:26-07:21 - Benefits of ritual
07:22-07:57 - Problematic rituals
07:58-08:50 - Arethion's thoughts on ritual
#spirituality #wisdom #community #purpose #philosophy #christian #deconstruction #exvangelical #anthropology
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Why We Need Community
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We're losing community in America. Let's reclaim it. Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-00:46 - Recap of "Skeptical" video 00:47-02:10 - Importance of community 02:11-02:57 - Identity 02:58-03:19 - Purpose 03:20-04:11 - Goal achievement 04:12-06:43 - Balancing self and group 06:44-08;49 - Benef...
Skeptical About Arethion?
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If you're suspicious of secular spiritual communities, or if you think Arethion is a cult, this is the video for you. :-) Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-00:46 - Intro 00:47-01:44 - Religious and spiritual trauma 01:45-02:59 - Is Arethion a cult? 03:00-04:02 - Post-religious communities usua...
Comparing Ethical Systems
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A guide to morality for people leaving religion and Christianity. What's the best ethical system? Christianity? Utilitarianism? Virtue Ethics? Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-01:51 - Morality after leaving religion 01:52-03:36 - Normative ethics 03:37-04:57 - Moral relativism 04:58-06:37 - H...
Why Does Arethion Have an Ethical System?
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Isn't it presumptuous to have an ethical system? Nope! Here's why... Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-01:53 - Morality is everywhere 01:54-02:59 - Moral confusion after leaving religion 03:00-03:37 - A helpful analogy 03:38-04:53 - Christian / normative ethics 04:54-07:04 - Utilitarianism, de...
The Rings - Arethion Ethics
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What does morality look like after religion? Is there a fast, easy, and reliable way to make moral decisions? Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-02:09 - Arethion ethics 02:10-08:30 - The Code (how to make moral decisions) 08:31-9:40 - The Echelon (our obligations to one another) 9:41-13:23 - Th...
The Movements - Arethion Service
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Want to make the world a better place? That's what we're doing at Arethion. Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-01:44 - Dedicated to service 01:45-02:54 - The 10 charitable movements 02:55-03:19 - Our vision for charity 03:20-04:17 - Helping one another #spirituality #wisdom #community #purpose ...
Living a Good Life
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What does it mean to live a "good life?" The answer is: wellbeing. But what is wellbeing? How do we achieve it? Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-01:46 - What is wellbeing? 01:47-04:12 - 10 elements of wellbeing 04:13-09:21 - How to achieve wellbeing #spirituality #wisdom #community #purpose #...
What Does Arethion Believe?
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Arethion is a community, a way of seeing the world, and a way of doing good. Join our community! - arethion.com Instagram - arethion_ Playlists - youtube.com/@join.arethion/playlists Chapters: 00:00-00:37 - Nature is movement 00:38-02:54 - Movements form shapes 02:55-4:45 - Living shapes possess pneuma 04:46-05:51 - Living things act 05:52-08:54 - Nature's movements are interlock...
17. How to Leave Christianity
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If you want to leave, here are the steps. Arethion is ready to support you. We've made this journey ourselves. Chapters: 00:00-01:09 - A positive experience 01:10-01:32 - Care for yourself 01:33-01:53 - Identify your support system 01:54-02:14 - Decide who you're going to tell 02:15-02:35 - Write a script 02:36-03:06 - Prepare for questions 03:07-03:25 - Tell people one by one 03:26-03:48 - Neg...
16. Christianity's Not True. Now What?
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What's the meaning of life? Does God exist? Is there life after death? Why should I be moral? Answers to your questions here. Chapters: 00:00-02:46 - The pain of deconstruction 02:47-03:55 - We're here to offer support 03:56-05:13 - Arethion is a spiritual community 05:14-06:27 - No we're not a cult 06:28-07:26 - Who am I if I'm not a Christian? 07:27-09:04 - Does God exist? 09:05-13:07 - Is th...
18. Bonus: Bizarre & Fun Facts about the Bible
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Here are juicy bits I couldn't fit into the main series - God's body parts, Asherah in the Garden of Eden, Josephus, and more. Chapters: 00:00-02:20 - Yahweh's rainbow genitalia 02:21-03:48 - Angels lusting after women 03:49-04:20 - A misunderstanding re: conception 04:21-05:37 - Asherah and the Garden of Eden 05:38-07:21 - Josephus and his reference to Jesus Christ 07:22-10:51 - The Trinity an...
15. Do Heaven and Hell Exist?
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Heaven is every Christian’s dearest hope. Hell, the greatest fear. Do they exist? What will they be like? Chapters: 00:00-01:26 - "The afterlife" vs Heaven & Hell 01:27-04:24 - The history of "hell" 04:25-06:43 - The morality of hell 06:44-10:17 - What will heaven be like? 10:18-11:01 - Conclusion Series Bibliography: Barker, Dan - God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction Barker, Dan -...
14. Why Do We Suffer?
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Why did my mom die of cancer? And why didn't God answer my prayers when he's all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful? Is it because of free will? Chapters: 00:00-01:11 - Why do we suffer? 01:12-01:53 - Christian comfort 01:54-03:19 - "The problem of evil" 03:20-06:54 - Did God create evil? 06:55-08:44 - Does God permit evil to allow a greater good? 08:45-10:17 - Does God permit evil to declar...
13. Is the Bible Sexist?
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Does the Bible promote equality or sexism? Why does it seem like there are passages supporting both viewpoints? Chapters: 00:00-01:40 - Sexist changes to the Biblical text 01:41-04:03 - Passages & decrees re: women 04:04-05:18 - Paul's equality in the NT 05:19-07:49 - Ezekiel's graphic violence toward women 07:50-09:15 - Conclusion Series Bibliography: Barker, Dan - God: The Most Unpleasant Cha...
12. Is the Bible a Good Moral Guide?
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12. Is the Bible a Good Moral Guide?
11. Is Yahweh the One True God?
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11. Is Yahweh the One True God?
10. Does the Old Testament Contain Myths?
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10. Does the Old Testament Contain Myths?
9. Are There Forgeries in the Old Testament?
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9. Are There Forgeries in the Old Testament?
8. Does Archaeology Prove the Bible?
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8. Does Archaeology Prove the Bible?
7. Does Martyrdom Prove Christianity Is True?
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7. Does Martyrdom Prove Christianity Is True?
6. Is Jesus the Son of God?
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6. Is Jesus the Son of God?
5. Who Wrote the Gospels?
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5. Who Wrote the Gospels?
4. Are There Forgeries in the New Testament?
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4. Are There Forgeries in the New Testament?
3. Is the Bible Perfect?
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3. Is the Bible Perfect?
2. Experiencing Jesus
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2. Experiencing Jesus
1. Is Christianity True?
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1. Is Christianity True?
Is Christianity True? - Trailer
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Is Christianity True? - Trailer
Meet Caleb
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Meet Caleb
Service to Others and to Ourselves
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Service to Others and to Ourselves

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @Chris-fj3ci
    @Chris-fj3ci День тому

    i LOVE when intelligent and informed people examine the christian myths. there's a huge difference between spirituality and religion, and mankind lost something fundamental when we abandoned the former and embraced the latter.

  • @finkofinkofinko
    @finkofinkofinko 3 дні тому

    Using other mythical texts from the OT to interpret Genesis 1 is a mistake in my opinion. I am persuaded by the theory that Genesis 1 is DE-mythologizing creation, i.e. it goes out of its way not to mention the names of other gods. There is no battle, no other deity, it is all created by the "one and only" God. Trying to force other deities back into the narrative of Genesis 1 is the complete opposite of the intentions of the author(s), at least that's how I see it. Of course they knew of the other creation myths, but it certainly looks like they set out to oppose them, not reinforce them.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 5 днів тому

    No and no

  • @mryep123
    @mryep123 6 днів тому

    Deconstructivism is in the air ;) It may be wise to discard the bathwater yet keep the precious child. And wise to not forget to doubt the doubter as well, especially ourselves ^^

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 15 днів тому

    Why did this so called god pester Job sorry give him trials.

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 15 днів тому

    How can a new born baby have original sin (evil)?

  • @VisshanVis
    @VisshanVis 15 днів тому

    Does the Parthenon prove that Zeus was true, does the temple of Karnak prove that Arum-ra was real?.

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 15 днів тому

    Why can't this god tell us the truth surely it's not beyond this god?

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 15 днів тому

    Does a god who may also be the creator need a son?

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 16 днів тому

    Being a Jew I don't think JC would he want people to drink and wash in blood and eat human flesh. Also sacrifice is practiced by the priests on various animals but not human.

  • @jmd1743
    @jmd1743 18 днів тому

    The Old Testament had no problem with saying that there are other gods when Mosses had to show the superiority of his god over the gods the Egyptians worshiped. It's just that in later chapters it had revisionism to say that there are no other gods. If those gods existed to be challenged then they likely continue to exist in some form, and if the Egyptian's gods exist then other gods must exist as well.

  • @robertpearson7685
    @robertpearson7685 18 днів тому

    Who knows? The Israelites came from Ur in southern Iraq so that's the original home of the Jews but settled in Palestine after being slaves in Egypt.

  • @ianbrewster8934
    @ianbrewster8934 19 днів тому

    Fascinating

  • @haddow777
    @haddow777 19 днів тому

    This is dumb. It acts as it the bible doesn't actually state many of these things as true. God wasn't exclusive to Israel. He entered into an exclusive relationship to them and they were to be exclusive to him. After entering the covenant with them, they were to be his special people. Still, there was a lot of time before the Israelites entered into the covenant with him. He formed relationships with many people. Job wasn't a part of Israel. Abraham had another son who God protected and helped in many ways, but kept separate from Israel. Before entering into their land, the encountered a prophet of God from another land who used what he knew about God against the nation of Israel. The bible also speaks of other prophets in other lands warning them about various things. Also, making a pillar of stones wasn't about idolatry, not back then. There were certain things people did to show they entered into a covenant with another. Sometimes a place or a person's name would be changed to signify the covenant. Back then, it was common to make a pillar of stones as a sign of a covenant. It wasn't built to be worshipped, but to act as a visible sign of the promises made. So many times bible debunkers miss nuance and call it contradiction. God speaks many times about the heart condition of people. How some are haughty and unrepentant while others are contrite and repentant, changing their ways. So in other areas where two different people or groups do the same thing with God acting in different ways, they call it a contradiction ignoring that God would be judging these people/groups not just by action, but heart condition.

  • @jameschapman6559
    @jameschapman6559 23 дні тому

    Finally listened to all 18 episodes. Some of them twice. I will be listening to all 18 again. As a former Conservative Evangelical Christian, Bible College student and Bible teacher for many years. Who was indoctrinated and groomed from early childhood. I'm finding life is so much better without god or religion. Thanks for the videos!

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion 21 день тому

      What wonderful feedback! Thanks for watching. I know exactly how hard that journey is, but it's great to hear you're in a better place now!

  • @velkyn1
    @velkyn1 23 дні тому

    the entire bible is nothing more than myths. Not one of the events in the bible can be shown to have happened. The bible claims the earth is flat, with it being spread out like clay under a seal, and claiming that being on a mountain would allow you to see all of it. That would never work with a spheroid earth.

  • @jtwarren3464
    @jtwarren3464 24 дні тому

    @arethion hi what do you think about demons or ghosts. I struggle with this and think hell could still be real.

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion 23 дні тому

      Hi! Thanks for watching. :-) I'm going to be releasing more videos on the topic of spirituality in the future, but at a high level, I'd say this: For ghosts to exist, there has to be a soul. The Christian religion believes in a soul, but other religions do not. Some religions believe a soul exists, but only lasts for a short time outside of the body, such as the ancient Mayan religion. I don't think we'll ever be able to say with 100% certainty that a soul does not exist, but I do want to be transparent that the evidence so far is in the "souls do not exist" camp. Paranormal shows can be entertaining, but there's just no much scientific evidence or support for the existence of a soul. Near death experiences, for example, share commonalities because of how our brain expires. Many evolutionary psychologists and anthropologists believe that the idea of a "soul" arose in ancient cultures because they couldn't fully comprehend the nature of death. "Joe's body was here, and he was alive, but now his body is still here, but he's not moving or talking. There must be something else inside of him that was driving his body - a soul." They didn't have the scientific or medical knowledge to understand the role played by our brain, heart, organs, etc. Separately, the topic of demons, which are supernatural entities of a different sort. For demons to exist, the Bible has to be true. And unfortunately, the Bible does not appear to be true. (If you haven't yet seen our video series on the topic, I'd encourage you to check out!) Hell does not appear in the OT at all, and the version of it in the NT was based on the Roman work of fiction "The Aeneid" by Virgil. Most scholars believe that ancient accounts of "demon-possession" were really just mental illness. Again, ancient peoples had a very rudimentary notion of neurobiology or psychology. If someone had schizophrenia in the ancient world, they were probably labeled "demon-possessed." Again, the modern scientific support for demons is basically zero. As another example of this phenomenon (assigning supernatural status to human biological processes), during the Middle Ages, priests would test whether an old woman was a witch by stripping off her clothes and lightly touching her back with a feather, stick, or some other implement. They believed that if she could not feel it, she was a witch, and they would execute her. But this is totally normal - as the body ages, nerve sensitivity declines, such that many elderly people can't feel a feather on their back. It's totally normal, but in the ancient, superstitious world, it was the sign of Satan at work. This is probably longer than you bargained for, but there's no credible evidence I've encountered for the existence of souls or demons. We are our bodies, and we are a part of nature. Hell does not exist, and we need not fear it. I hope that helps! ua-cam.com/video/kKXoGfg_u3I/v-deo.html

    • @jtwarren3464
      @jtwarren3464 11 днів тому

      @@join.arethionthank you so much. I’ve been struggling so much with the supernatural. So, many ppl believe in spirits and ghosts. So, I instantly think demons could be real too. Ppl talk about levitation or ppl putting themselves in weird body positions. It’s just hard when apologists make you think that Christianity is true. I stopped thinking Yahweh was real when I learned the origins, but liberal Christians still believe in the resurrection even though the Bible has errors and they accept evolution too. I’ve just been so nervous about being wrong about the gospels too because apologists would say early Christians ensured that the oral tradition was accurate.

    • @jtwarren3464
      @jtwarren3464 10 днів тому

      @@join.arethion I’ve just heard so many different things about the supernatural and I feel like when I talk to atheists they just dismiss me. Maybe I trust anecdotes too much, but ppl report seeing ghosts and spirits and I instantly think of demons. My mom said she saw a ghost decades ago and her friend saw it as well. It’s like I believe my mom. I was talking to this lady who believes in a creator but she doesn’t accept Christianity. Studying quantum physics makes her believe the soul can exist outside of the body. So, all of this supernatural stuff makes me think Jesus could’ve resurrected smh. Plus, they said that the oral tradition before the gospels were written were accurate.

    • @jtwarren3464
      @jtwarren3464 10 днів тому

      @@join.arethionplus my agnostic turned Christian friend said that Jesus comes to ppl in near death experiences the most. That makes me so nervous. The supernatural existing scares me that Christianity could still be true.

  • @gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340

    you speak the truth.

  • @WagesOfDestruction
    @WagesOfDestruction 26 днів тому

    I stopped listening when you talked of Ur, Joseph was sold for twenty pieces of silver. When Columbus landed in the Americas in the Bahamas, it was not the Bahamas then, but you call it the Bahamas because we know the area where it is; the same logic applies to the biblical writer. I think you should know your facts before talking about these subjects.

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion 11 днів тому

      Hi. Thanks for watching! I always appreciate feedback, but I think there's a misunderstanding here. The Christian claim is that the Pentateuch was written by Moses. Based on the Bible's own chronology, the events in the Joseph story were taking place around 1700 BCE (give or take, depending on the Exodus dating you use). Moses would have lived between 1400-1200 BCE. Yet coins weren't invented until 650 BCE. Consequently, if Moses were the author of the Pentateuch, writing in say 1300 BCE, he *also* would not have known what a coin was. That's not the same situation as the "Bahamas" example you cite, which actually proves my point here. I call it the Bahamas because I'm living now. Using your analogy, the writer knows the word "Bahamas," i.e. the writer knows about coins and so lived after 650 BCE, which proves the writer was NOT Moses, who lived before coins were invented. Thus, Moses' "authorship" of the Pentateuch is false. The actual writer lived after 650 BCE. The way only to defend Moses' knowledge of coins in ~1300 BCE is via "historic anticipation," which I address in other videos. Hope that helps clarify. :-)

    • @WagesOfDestruction
      @WagesOfDestruction 11 днів тому

      @@join.arethion Mmmm The Pentateuch ( Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible) does not contain any explicit claims that Moses wrote the entire five-book collection. Some statements within the Deuteronomy book suggest Moses wrote some specific portions. However, it does not make a blanket claim that Moses was the sole author of all five books. The authorship of the Torah has been a matter of scholarly debate even before Jesus. The traditional Jewish and Christian view is that Moses wrote the entire Torah. But even these traditionalists knew of lines in the bible that Moses could not have written, which troubled them greatly. Today, few believe that it was written by Moses. For Christians, it's generally no big ask, as they feel that the Bible as a whole was divinely inspired but written by human authors. The Jewish view is more complex.

  • @Ravum
    @Ravum 27 днів тому

    There is perhaps one god present: The earth. It is the corpse of the mother of everything.

  • @jerrylanglois7892
    @jerrylanglois7892 27 днів тому

    No, christianity is NOT true because something '' true '' has proof or at least compelling evidence for which christianity has neither. It is one big evil scare tactic ( being '' born evil, original sin, talking snake, etc. '' ) contrived to control people through FEAR. It is dying and headed to the historical trash heap where it belongs.

  • @Pablo113
    @Pablo113 27 днів тому

    ~10 to 1 Ratio of Forgery to Authentic

  • @bitofwizdomb7266
    @bitofwizdomb7266 28 днів тому

    If the biblical god is true then he’s an unethical immoral monster

  • @dalex60
    @dalex60 28 днів тому

    Rome and the Catholic church authored the bible, using the Jewish texts they misappropriated to construct their "New Testament". All Abrahamic religions are Pagan in origin, rendering them all dangerous, man-made garbage.

  • @jedkin5651
    @jedkin5651 29 днів тому

    Great video! The argument for free will and suffering becomes irrelevant when considering the suffering of animals and the planet in the context of an omniscient God.

  • @tomasandersen8718
    @tomasandersen8718 Місяць тому

    Please don not replace christianity with another religion if you doubt. least of all islam.

    • @jerrylanglois7892
      @jerrylanglois7892 27 днів тому

      All religions are fundamentally the same...all nonsense.

  • @jeffsaxton716
    @jeffsaxton716 Місяць тому

    God isnt even God. He exists in a collective imagination.

  • @Necroman98
    @Necroman98 Місяць тому

    I don't really believe inna objective good and evil so the problem of good and evil is irrelevant to me, at least logically. Regardless if god is all loving, then wouldn't it want all types of beings and states to thrive? Wouldn't it allow for all sorts of diseases, storms, predators, worldviews and more to thrive alongside you? The idea of "suffering" seems to be highly ego-minded anyway and the idea of good and evil on a cosmic scale seems very anthroprocentric to me. Regardless, still not a fan of an eternal reality of pain. It's a terrible and manipulative idea to me. Even though I see "evil" as a subjective term I still don't like it, which seems to be the only actual argument against sin the Abrahamic idea of god ever gives anyway. I cannot see how it's anything but might makes right. Still I always consider the problem of evil to be a pretty weak argument against the idea of God, but I guess within a typical Abrahamic worldview with all that objective morality speal it's a big flaw.

  • @VisshanVis
    @VisshanVis Місяць тому

    A better question would be, what in the bible isn't a myth?.

  • @ronaldjove5094
    @ronaldjove5094 Місяць тому

    Christianity is true but the western christianity is a lie. Catholics is not the successor of the Christian faith. Christianity ended in 70AD because of great persecution and the desolation of the 2 great religion in Jerusalem. It will only comeback thru the preaching of the endtime prophet Elijah. He is making the path for Jesus 2nd coming.

  • @MaK-13-
    @MaK-13- Місяць тому

    "Is Yahweh the One True God?" no.

  • @billsyrios1160
    @billsyrios1160 Місяць тому

    You missed Warner's argument. Yes, 2nd, 3rd, etc., etc. generations of religious people die for their faith all the time. But 1st generation religious people; that is, those who would have known the claims of Jesus' resurrection to be false, don't. Who would die as a martyr when they had first-hand knowledge that their cause is a total fabrication? Those that flew planes into buildings on 9/11 died as martyrs but they had NO first-hand knowledge of whether any of the claims of Mohammad were true. All they had was hand-me-down information. The first-century followers of Jesus who witnessed him resurrected from the dead had a very different, 1st-hand experience that led them to not backtrack on their testimony of what happened in the face of death. Maybe a few could have been delusional and stupid enough to lose it all for the sake of propagating a lie but not dozens or even hundreds as were the case. Please rethink and retell the basis of your thesis.

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion 25 днів тому

      Hi! Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if you only encountered this video courtesy of the UA-cam algorithm, or if you discovered the whole series. A few comments: 1. The general historical accuracy of the Gospels is seriously in question. ua-cam.com/video/_9trnFTMf-w/v-deo.html 2. With only a few exceptions, the martyrdom of the Apostles lacks historical evidence. www.bartehrman.com/how-did-the-apostles-die/#:~:text=The%20implication%20is%20that%20his,evidence%20to%20back%20them%20up. 3. Since the Gospels cannot be trusted as consistently reliable historical documents, we cannot know for certain which Apostles were actually witness to a "resurrection." 4. If that's the case, then the Apostles, as 1st generation Christians, may belong in the same category as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation Christians. 5. Even if we grant there were Apostles who experienced a resurrected Jesus, Christians bear the responsibility of proving that what they experienced was not simply a hallucination. (Note that this is a difficult claim to make given the unreliability of the Gospels.) There are many faiths that talk of resurrections. Did each of them truly occur? 6. Warner's thesis assumes there was a way for the Apostles to recant and save themselves by confessing Jesus' resurrection was a hoax, but there's no evidence to support this assumption. Said another way, the apostles, to the extent they existed and were martyred, were killed for their preaching and religious activities, and they may not have had any means for escaping that fate. 7. Finally, Warner's argument basically rests on the force and intensity of the propositional belief. In other words, the Apostles SAW Jesus, and that has special weight. This argument can be restated as "intensity of conviction." But many people, and many faiths, attain such a level of conviction. There are still Christian martyrs today who would testify they have personally experienced Jesus. Is their "conviction" less than that of the Apostles? What would we make of martyrs in other faiths? Contrary to content in the Christian ecosystem, these religious practitioners practice as fervently and believe as wholeheartedly as Christians do. Please see our video this topic here: ua-cam.com/video/ArX2OZLHim8/v-deo.html Thanks for the discussion! :-)

    • @billsyrios1160
      @billsyrios1160 25 днів тому

      I appreciate your thoughtful response. I've listened to plenty of Bart Erdman. That's for a whole other conversation. We don't have the time to dive into the whole thing about whether the New Testament writers had to be late 1st/2nd century Christians who were making more out of Jesus than he made of himself. The apostle Paul, for one, certainly does not fit in that category, something no serious scholar argues against: He believed in the resurrected Jesus and claims he saw him--and he is writing about this belief in the early '50's. (He also claimed to have spoken to the other apostles, and why wouldn't he given the kind of life-change he made? Did they tell him he was crazy or did they verify his experience with their own? Surely the latter so they too must have been convinced, in a non-confirmation bias sort of way given that their hopes were crushed at Jesus' death, with no serious thought that he was going to resurrect.) I do hope you have read Warner's book but, from some of your comments, I'm not sure. I'll just mention one thing and that is the "intensity of conviction" statement. Warner argues that there are some memories you just don't forget. I can detail what happened on the day of my wedding over 47 years ago now, but I'm clueless about what happened on the days leading up to it or the days that followed... although not everything about the days that followed! Anyway, if you see someone alive that you knew died and you interact with that person, this is one of those kind of memories with a capital "M" and maybe times ten. Then you say: "But many people, and many faiths, attain such a level of conviction." This is totally unverifiable. If they were 2nd to whenever generation believers (which they are), they don't KNOW what 1st generation believers knew. Again, the basis of 1st generation believers like Paul is altogether different. Regarding Jesus' followers, 1st generation believers knew whether or not this whole resurrection thing was a made-up lie. (They were not stupid about such things and the kind of revolutionary cultural changes they brought into the Roman world don't argument for the likelihood of mass stupidity or hallucination.) Do you really think they would have put themselves AND their families in such life-jeopardy for a fabrication? (Please see the attached five minute video. It makes this point, albeit in a rather sarcastic way.) In a different context, Jesus recognized the difference between 1st generation believers and everyone else in his interaction with "doubting" Thomas, who had missed his first appearance. He told him: “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). 2nd--40th generation believers might be more blessed because they don't have the benefit of eye witness or 1st-hand information to go on but they are also much more easily deceived. Such potential deception, however, would not characterized 1st generation believers. In one of Bart's debates he likens the testimony of these early Christian eyewitnesses to those who testified to the veracity of Joseph Smith's visitation and plates. If that's all the level of comparison he's got, he's got nothing! Has he not causally peruse some UA-cam videos about Smith's fabricated claims and the obvious lack of evidence? One more thing, a question: Do you believe the supernatural is possible? This is the critical question that Warner realized was a presupposition he carried as an atheist. His realization that he looked at New Testament evidence through the lens of this presupposition against the miraculous led him to eventually question if such a position was tenable since no evidence could ever be good enough and that is counter to the scientific method and the rules of evidence that we live by as human beings. Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/23UNLLbOS3w/v-deo.html

  • @brett7794
    @brett7794 Місяць тому

    Great stuff! Can i add to it!? Yhwh turned into a storm/war god but originally was a Mennonite volcanic deity basically they worshiped a volcano 🌋 just go back and read the descriptions whenever Yahweh speaks and you'll see lol

  • @oxcart4172
    @oxcart4172 Місяць тому

    Er...no, and no!

  • @gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340
    @gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340 Місяць тому

    great info

  • @Teejaye1100
    @Teejaye1100 Місяць тому

    O my goodness, I love this so much. You making my heart and face smile. We’re very similar in terms of the info you’ve discovered and are reporting. I cared so much about Academia. Where does the data lead… was my thinking. What are the facts. I just told someone the other day, there are no contemporary writers Jewish or Roman who wrote about Bible jesus. None, not one. Everything from Josephus, Tactuis etc is years after the fact. And as you stated, scholarly consensus is Josephus is a forgery 100%. Man, the work and effort you put in this series is video gold. I hope more people find your channel and give you your roses. Well done!!

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion 25 днів тому

      This comment made my day! Thanks so much for watching!

  • @Teejaye1100
    @Teejaye1100 Місяць тому

    OMG, I’ve always wondered why more people aren’t talking about the Saul story being a rip of 2nd Maccabees 3. You hit it on the head, I’m loving this series and will share it. Thank you so much for the work you’ve done. You are a jewel to humanity!!

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion Місяць тому

      Wow, thanks so much for your comment! I'm glad you're enjoying it, and seriously, thanks for sharing! As a Christian, I was unaware of this information for so long, I just hope other people encounter it and engage with it.

  • @manuelflores326
    @manuelflores326 Місяць тому

    ❤❤ EXCELLENT ❤❤👊✊✨🤜💪👍👌✌️🤝👏👏👏

  • @Pablo113
    @Pablo113 Місяць тому

    RELIGION is TRIBALISM 101!

  • @Forester2547
    @Forester2547 Місяць тому

    Zoroastrianism, you’re welcome.

  • @vgrof2315
    @vgrof2315 Місяць тому

    The poor man is a sad fool.

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley Місяць тому

    We all know The Hebrew god Yahweh always existed because... Why is the eternal Cosmos not mention in Genesis?

  • @truthgiver8286
    @truthgiver8286 Місяць тому

    Yahweh was the thunder god the Hebrews adopted he was no more real than any of the other gods they could have chosen.

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion Місяць тому

      You seem well-informed on the topic! Thanks for watching. :-)

  • @charlesdarwin5185
    @charlesdarwin5185 Місяць тому

    Gods evolve according to the needs of society. If God is not useful, a new one will be created.

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion Місяць тому

      There's actually fascinating anthropological research on this. If you're interested, I'd recommend the work of Pascal Boyer and Azim Shariff.

    • @charlesdarwin5185
      @charlesdarwin5185 Місяць тому

      @@join.arethion this is already known. Read the Naked Ape by Desmond Morris

    • @MaK-13-
      @MaK-13- 21 день тому

      the problem is the continuous creating of new ones when we should already realise; no god need apply.

    • @charlesdarwin5185
      @charlesdarwin5185 21 день тому

      @@MaK-13- AI Cyborgus is the next evolutionary step for the planet.

    • @MaK-13-
      @MaK-13- 21 день тому

      @@charlesdarwin5185 EDIT: i get what you mean now. apologies, my misunderstanding.

  • @jfphotography69
    @jfphotography69 Місяць тому

    Self serving delusions are not reality, no matter how hard you want them to be. Experience Jesus, really, LMAO.

  • @anniekirts6621
    @anniekirts6621 Місяць тому

    Ha! Second 👋. I just discovered this channel. I like the contents & so, I subscribed! I think this might very well be the next Hot Topic. I look forward to your teachings. 💞🙏😘🤗

    • @join.arethion
      @join.arethion Місяць тому

      Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it.

  • @VisshanVis
    @VisshanVis Місяць тому

    Did Jesus really live, was he really the son of god, did he really rise from the grave, did the events in the bible really happen, the simple answer to all of those questions is NO none of them ever happened and there is zero evidence to prove that any of it did.

  • @craigertlmaier9113
    @craigertlmaier9113 Місяць тому

    Do you believe in any Lord of the Universe? If so. How many do you believe in?

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley Місяць тому

    The Old Testament is a collection of ancient Hebrew writing from different unknown authors promoting their belief in the Hebrew god Yahweh.

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley Місяць тому

    Heaven and hell are creations of human desire. After you die you no longer exist. Wishful thinking and hoping will not change that fact.