We had a job that was basically illegal to haul off of. The logger scoped it at about 30%... but just for about 1/4 mile, maybe a bit less. We could only send trucks in with double lockers or they couldn't get to the shovel. If there was a rain cloud on the horizon, we'd be shitting ourselves and praying for the loader op to hurry tf up so we could get out of there before it turn to shit. I used first gear, (not granny), to ease out of there with my jakes on 2/3. I used my foot hovering over the brake to keep my jakes from stalling the engine when the wheels locked up and I started to slide on the loose dirt/rock. It was nothing more than a barely controlled slide off of that landing.
Using jake is not always bad off pavement, killing the motor is the biggest risk. I never liked the "barely contolled slide" situations. There is a place I hauled out with with a stretch of road we call "The Beaver Slide". like what you are describing is what I did, just keep it as straight as I could to the bottom, fortunatly it is wide, straight and not very far.
It is always so hard to grasp how steep something is from a picture or a video. Looks like a lot more than 34k on trailer there....haha. From the looks of it, could be very dry as well though.
Didn't you see how soft the dirt was ? There is still plenty of moisture underneath. Look at the ruts on the right side track... you don't just go high speed waltzin on a dirt road like that on a downhill curve with a load like that.
@@pilgrimwings1295 So very true, sometime. you have to go too slow to use the jake. The guy driving the truck is the one who knows what the slope, how the traction is, and what is around that corner.
Those of us who have drove this type truck in these conditions do not want to disrespect the qualified, safe "Highway Driver". I would like to point out that Chuck Bracelin has been in this business in this area for many years. Also, if "Dusty B" is who I think he his, he has been hauling logs in this area for many years, as did his father. These guys are not amateurs who need to be schooled by people with little or no experience in this situation
@@mikeziegler7008 Thank you for that, I do not actually know him personally, I do know that he does not have log trucks without "Jakes", nor is it likely that his driver does not know how to use one.
I do not personally know this "Dusty" who is posting these videos either, but without naming any names not already exposed by him, I am pretty sure I know close relatives of his who hauled more logs than I ever did.
I do a ton of hiking along logging roads in the Coastal Range and it's difficult to hike up and down some of them, much the less drive a loaded log truck down one. Massive amounts of skill and guts to these drivers.
Look at those far ridges--barely any trees. Having lived in Oregon and worked around lumber areas, I personally think the firms in Washington state do a better job re-planting and managing their forests. Oregon seems a little too "rape and plunder" with some of their logging practices. Way too many bare hillsides that were once lush with trees. On many of them, you won't even see seedlings.
A question from an australian: Who works in the US logging industry nowadays? Are american born whites still the majority? Is there any shortage of willing workers,and perhaps an influx of immigrants?
In the east it's all American born Whites. Quite a few Amish in logging, they'll out work any regular American any day of the week. I don't know about out west though.
The logging industry generally pays quite good, and most companies won't hire someone without a fair amount of experience. You don't get too many changes on steep grades, and switch backs but there seems to be quite a few guys qualified for the job. Winter shows that is can be a very hard job because of chaining up, etc. I haven't ever seen a guy with a forty foot hat driving a logging truck, even though you see a lot of highway drivers in Canada.
@@mattdillon4398 Pretty much same on west coast... minus the Amish. Most aspects of actual logging operations involve heavy equipment, therefore pay is good. A couple of exceptions is being a choke-setter, and a faller - or cutter. There's a higher level of hazard with both of these, and certain skill required, therefore are good paying jobs also. Answering @ronchappel4812 's last question; certain logging companies have had periods where they had job openings advertised for an extended time, but generally speaking the industry does not have a shortage of American workers. It's the subcontractors that tend to hire foreigners for lower paying jobs, such as tree planting and herbicide application with backpack sprayers. Unfortunately, probably many of them are here illegally and the subs should not be hiring them. Therefore, I refuse to call them (the illegals) 'immigrants.'
Happy New Year! I’m amazed that this showed up in my feed. We built these machines in Texas up until the Next Gen models were introduced. So cool to see them at work.
He's doing fine. The goal here is to never let the load get any momentum. If he runs out of air, he can stop and air up because he's barely moving. Once that load gets momentum, his options are limited.
His trailer is locking up. Going to get into trouble. Right side. There is a thing asgoing to slow. Im not there ofcourse just seems to be hoing to slow
@mattdillon4398 haha you obviously have never drove a big rig with a heavy weight going . Stay in your car we don't need drivers like you driving semi tractor
@@mattdillon4398 Chuck will go broke and many jobs are lost if trucks get wrecked to much and logs do not make it to the mill. It looks too me like that red Peterbuilt probably got that load too the mill just fine.
@@RunkStillRides do u know what a off highway truck is better look it up we don’t drive on paved roads. So before u tell people to quit making shit up do ur home work
@jesse75 It's a perfectly reasonable answer. If you wanted me to be more specific why not just say so? It looks like the western part of Oregon. The Mid to Northwest part to be specific. You're welcome, Mr. Grouchy Butt.
The jake ain't gonna do shyte for the trailer braking, he's using all the tires he has and he's still skidding. If he just jaked that truck there, he'd jack knife in a second
Jake brake should not be used here, because it only brakes the drivers. Properly adjusted brakes brake all wheels evenly, which what is needed when it is slick.
@@mattywho8485 It's not slippery when you see dust coming off the air released. A jake will help lessen the loads on the braking system and with the conditions showing the trailer won't jack knife. If the driver was in mud, you would put chains on. You can also see dust raised by the engine compartment and there is no build up on the tires. He only has to use the trailer spike to add to the braking effort for the trailer and maybe a little on the foot pedal. I've driven down long grades with nearly 63500 kgs. and the jake is used extensively. Using only the brakes on a short hill is not a problem. But the jake brake system allows much greater life on the brake shoes and ensures the brakes stay cool when you really need them.
We had a job that was basically illegal to haul off of. The logger scoped it at about 30%... but just for about 1/4 mile, maybe a bit less. We could only send trucks in with double lockers or they couldn't get to the shovel. If there was a rain cloud on the horizon, we'd be shitting ourselves and praying for the loader op to hurry tf up so we could get out of there before it turn to shit. I used first gear, (not granny), to ease out of there with my jakes on 2/3. I used my foot hovering over the brake to keep my jakes from stalling the engine when the wheels locked up and I started to slide on the loose dirt/rock. It was nothing more than a barely controlled slide off of that landing.
Using jake is not always bad off pavement, killing the motor is the biggest risk. I never liked the "barely contolled slide" situations. There is a place I hauled out with with a stretch of road we call "The Beaver Slide". like what you are describing is what I did, just keep it as straight as I could to the bottom, fortunatly it is wide, straight and not very far.
And OMG, do I hate "throwing iron" in the mud.
It is always so hard to grasp how steep something is from a picture or a video. Looks like a lot more than 34k on trailer there....haha. From the looks of it, could be very dry as well though.
That is very interesting, I have known many old log truckers with messed up shoulders, including me.
Hey Dusty, maybe all those You-tube experts can tell that old man exactly what he needs to do to not spin out like that!
Skiled driver 👍👍
Drove log truck 30 years , give that thing some throttle and go stop being chickenshit gonna get the brakes hot
Didn't you see how soft the dirt was ? There is still plenty of moisture underneath. Look at the ruts on the right side track... you don't just go high speed waltzin on a dirt road like that on a downhill curve with a load like that.
@@pilgrimwings1295 So very true, sometime. you have to go too slow to use the jake. The guy driving the truck is the one who knows what the slope, how the traction is, and what is around that corner.
Those of us who have drove this type truck in these conditions do not want to disrespect the qualified, safe "Highway Driver". I would like to point out that Chuck Bracelin has been in this business in this area for many years. Also, if "Dusty B" is who I think he his, he has been hauling logs in this area for many years, as did his father. These guys are not amateurs who need to be schooled by people with little or no experience in this situation
Bracelin is a good guy and very respected. We sub hauled for him, and him for us, several years ago. Those coastal mountains can be tricky as hell.
@@mikeziegler7008 Thank you for that, I do not actually know him personally, I do know that he does not have log trucks without "Jakes", nor is it likely that his driver does not know how to use one.
I do not personally know this "Dusty" who is posting these videos either, but without naming any names not already exposed by him, I am pretty sure I know close relatives of his who hauled more logs than I ever did.
I do a ton of hiking along logging roads in the Coastal Range and it's difficult to hike up and down some of them, much the less drive a loaded log truck down one. Massive amounts of skill and guts to these drivers.
Look at those far ridges--barely any trees. Having lived in Oregon and worked around lumber areas, I personally think the firms in Washington state do a better job re-planting and managing their forests. Oregon seems a little too "rape and plunder" with some of their logging practices. Way too many bare hillsides that were once lush with trees. On many of them, you won't even see seedlings.
Lot of couch critics. You do it
LOOKS LIKE CRAP OUT THERE NOW. JUST LEVEL IT ALL. ITS WHAT YA'LL WANT ANYWAY.
Bracelin log hauling HQ out of Coos Bay farest ridge is called Callihan
I know the company, so I figured Coos or Douglas. Obviously Coast Range
And I know the Callihan, the paved road down the east side to Melrose would scare the pants full for many a flatlander
Perfect driving. Perfect load
probably 3x steeper then it looks on camera
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A question from an australian: Who works in the US logging industry nowadays? Are american born whites still the majority? Is there any shortage of willing workers,and perhaps an influx of immigrants?
In the east it's all American born Whites. Quite a few Amish in logging, they'll out work any regular American any day of the week. I don't know about out west though.
The logging industry generally pays quite good, and most companies won't hire someone without a fair amount of experience. You don't get too many changes on steep grades, and switch backs but there seems to be quite a few guys qualified for the job. Winter shows that is can be a very hard job because of chaining up, etc. I haven't ever seen a guy with a forty foot hat driving a logging truck, even though you see a lot of highway drivers in Canada.
@@mattdillon4398 Pretty much same on west coast... minus the Amish. Most aspects of actual logging operations involve heavy equipment, therefore pay is good. A couple of exceptions is being a choke-setter, and a faller - or cutter. There's a higher level of hazard with both of these, and certain skill required, therefore are good paying jobs also. Answering @ronchappel4812 's last question; certain logging companies have had periods where they had job openings advertised for an extended time, but generally speaking the industry does not have a shortage of American workers. It's the subcontractors that tend to hire foreigners for lower paying jobs, such as tree planting and herbicide application with backpack sprayers. Unfortunately, probably many of them are here illegally and the subs should not be hiring them. Therefore, I refuse to call them (the illegals) 'immigrants.'
Yeah, that was pretty steep..lol😮😮😮
It doesn't matter how heavy the load is .what does matter is what gear you're in and stay in .
Yea you got to be cautious and careful about hailing logs when you are transportation logs to the mills
Get off the brakes buddy, stick it in first use the jake itll hold.
It’s a nice dry road let her run out np
Didn’t hear the Jake cackling.
Ins this situation we do not use Jake because it only is on the drivers. You need even braking on all wheels here.
@ I can see that just like I do on ice.
Happy New Year! I’m amazed that this showed up in my feed. We built these machines in Texas up until the Next Gen models were introduced. So cool to see them at work.
Loggers have big balls work hard and pay big taxes . God bless the Loggers.
Looks like western Oregon maybe. They have units like that. Beautiful country
West of Roseburg Oregon, East of Coos bay, near border of Douglas and Coos counties.
Crazy, seen those in videos from Europe, didn’t know they were here
Guy in the cat shovel is like eff me.. looking at the mess 😂
I’ve watched those log trucks coming off the Idaho mountains in the snow. Impressive!
He's doing fine. The goal here is to never let the load get any momentum. If he runs out of air, he can stop and air up because he's barely moving. Once that load gets momentum, his options are limited.
Its not air that he needs to worry about its glazing his brakes from too much heat then they dont work
@DionPilkington others were commenting about him loosing air. Either would be a problem
No he is not riding your brakes and stopping and going is asking for trouble
@@jasonnash3164 what do you suggest he do in this situation?
His trailer is locking up. Going to get into trouble. Right side. There is a thing asgoing to slow. Im not there ofcourse just seems to be hoing to slow
These drivers are the best
where is this? Oregon?
Never be overconfident in a situation like that smart driver 👍
That guy ain't smart you burn your brakes out and lose control the way he is driving
@@jasonnash3164 You don't burn your brakes out going 1.5 miles an hour and that's a fact.
@mattdillon4398 haha you obviously have never drove a big rig with a heavy weight going . Stay in your car we don't need drivers like you driving semi tractor
@@mattdillon4398 you obviously haven't driven a semi tractor with a heavy load going down a steep grade
He’s scared
Looks like there are still a few trees left that need harvesting.
I with some of the comments made some of these guys never drove a heavily load d truck before
I love how the BOSS only cares about profit
Without profit you wouldn't have a job. Profit is absolutely the most important thing. If you were a boss you would know that.
@@mattdillon4398 Chuck will go broke and many jobs are lost if trucks get wrecked to much and logs do not make it to the mill. It looks too me like that red Peterbuilt probably got that load too the mill just fine.
Been on way worse roads than that. Bigger loads
12% and lockers you be fine
You got it down the hill!
If that is steep then u better come see some roads iv been on. 32-36 percent + tight switch backs.
You aren’t going up or down a 36% in the dirt. Stop making shit up.
@@RunkStillRides do u know what a off highway truck is better look it up we don’t drive on paved roads. So before u tell people to quit making shit up do ur home work
@ I’m a dozer hand. You’re not going up OR down a 3:1 loaded. Get real.
@@RunkStillRideswhat is a dozer man. If u want Come to Vancouver island and I’ll take to for a ride so u can shit ur pants.
I hauled logs on Fantasy Island too. I thought the grades were a solid 38 %
Does turning a corner around a high stump like that work pretty well? Seems like it would help offset a bit of side pressure on the winch🤷♂️
Gota love the Ole Oakley drifter
Nice job. Where is this logging operation at?
In the mountains.....
Ridiculous answer.
@jesse75 It's a perfectly reasonable answer. If you wanted me to be more specific why not just say so? It looks like the western part of Oregon. The Mid to Northwest part to be specific. You're welcome, Mr. Grouchy Butt.
Unless they're working out of state, it's in Oregon. Bracelin is a trucking company at Coos Bay.
@pilgrimwings1295 gotcha thanks. I'm from Newport
Wtf, to much brakes 🤦
This was a sweet day!
Put in low gear let the jake sing
Jake if it's not an automatic
I wonder if many of the commentors even know what a jake brake is.
The jake ain't gonna do shyte for the trailer braking, he's using all the tires he has and he's still skidding. If he just jaked that truck there, he'd jack knife in a second
Jake brake should not be used here, because it only brakes the drivers. Properly adjusted brakes brake all wheels evenly, which what is needed when it is slick.
@@mattywho8485 It's not slippery when you see dust coming off the air released. A jake will help lessen the loads on the braking system and with the conditions showing the trailer won't jack knife. If the driver was in mud, you would put chains on. You can also see dust raised by the engine compartment and there is no build up on the tires. He only has to use the trailer spike to add to the braking effort for the trailer and maybe a little on the foot pedal. I've driven down long grades with nearly 63500 kgs. and the jake is used extensively. Using only the brakes on a short hill is not a problem. But the jake brake system allows much greater life on the brake shoes and ensures the brakes stay cool when you really need them.
Holy get your foot off brake .
Right
He's scared
This is what a deep reduction 15 speed is for
Let it roll just a little more! Came off lots of hills like that
Put in the lowest possible gear and go . You are going to run out air pumping the brakes like that. Put your foot on the brake and keep it there
Is that YOUR Expert Opinion?
@@neilo.hislop950Let's hear your sexpert opinion 😂
He is going to run out of air, the engine is pretty much at idle and yes he's pumping the brakes on and off.
From top of the hill to the drink!? Nice fell boys!
Missing one wrap
Somewhere on that hillside there must be a amazon or fed ex truck driver following its 14 language GPS.