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Davison church of Christ
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There is No Spiritual Safety in Denominations
There is No Spiritual Safety in Denominations
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A Sermon On The One Talent Man. Whatever You Do, Do Something.
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A Sermon On The One Talent Man. Whatever You Do, Do Something.
The False Doctrine of Original Sin and Why It's Harmful
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The False Doctrine of Original Sin and Why It's Harmful
False Teachers Can Only Hope Their Message Will Come To Pass (Ezekiel 13:6)
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False Teachers Can Only Hope Their Message Will Come To Pass (Ezekiel 13:6)
Who Is Worthy To Be Praised (Psalm 18:3)
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Who Is Worthy To Be Praised (Psalm 18:3)
Become Like Little Children in What Way? (Matt. 18:1-5)
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Become Like Little Children in What Way? (Matt. 18:1-5)
The Most Valuable Things on Earth (Matt. 13:44)
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The Most Valuable Things on Earth (Matt. 13:44)
The Sin of Keeping Company with Wayward Christians
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The Sin of Keeping Company with Wayward Christians
Are All People Today Under the Same Law Before God?
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Are All People Today Under the Same Law Before God?
The Deadliest Event in Mankind's History
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The Deadliest Event in Mankind's History
Whoever Believes Is Given The Right to BECOME a Child of God
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Whoever Believes Is Given The Right to BECOME a Child of God
Is it a Sin to Worship God with Mechanical Instruments?
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Is it a Sin to Worship God with Mechanical Instruments?
What A Gathering That Will Be (Matthew 25)
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What A Gathering That Will Be (Matthew 25)
Balaam, the Prophet Who Traded His Soul for Money
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Balaam, the Prophet Who Traded His Soul for Money
God's Design for Local Church Membership
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God's Design for Local Church Membership
Jesus Christ and the Multitudes That Throng Him
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Jesus Christ and the Multitudes That Throng Him
Oh What Vanity IF We Are Not Right With God
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Oh What Vanity IF We Are Not Right With God
Very good teacher.
PEACE PEACE FAMILY
Get right on the gospel message and maybe I will listen to the other stuff. The good news is that Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of (((eternal life))) to all who trust Him alone for salvation. He paid for all the sins of all the world at the cross (past, present, and future). That payment is put to your account when you have believed on Christ alone for salvation. *This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.* How you live has absolutely nothing to do with salvation at all. That's a service issue. Salvation is absolutely free and not conditional upon service to God.
What is harmful is fanatical Christian fundamentalism. Thank God I grew up a good old fashion, garden variety, lukewarm Lutheran in the 50's and 60's. Modern day bible thumping was unknown to most of us back then.
Awesome Sermon .. Very helpful insights, backed up with powerful Scriptures .. Thank You !
Hello! Do you think you could do this sermon again so we can hear it? awesome lessons. Thankyou for your work in the Lord!
Amen brother so true 👍
You are flat out wrong and deceiving others unfortunately because you havent received the gift yet. Everyone who speaks against it are those who have never experienced it And they never will because of their unbelief.
The coc is a denomination. There’s dates and names for when it started ..
THE ANTILAW PAGAN CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS CREATED CONFUSIONS BY ITS OPPOSITION TO THE WORDS OF THE LAW OF THE COVENANT OF THE TESTIMONY OF LORD GOD YEHOVAH THE COVENANT LAWGIVER, SETTING ASIDE THE TRUE REVELATION OF GOD YEHOVAH AND SOUGHT TO SUPPLANT THEM WITH CONTRARY ALTERNATIVE INVENTIONS AND ADOPTIONS THAT NATURALLY BREAD CONFUSION WHEN YOU SUPPLANT YEHOVAH THE TRUE GOD WITH JESUS, A SON, SERVANT AND MESSENGER AND A MAN GOD CREATED BEING THE BEGETTER AND FATHER OF MAN, YOU BREAD UNQUENCHABLE CONFUSION EXCEPT YOU RETURN BACK TO THE LAW AND THE COVENANT AND THE TESTIMONY OF GOD YEHOVAH AND TO GOD YEHOVAH THE COVENANT LAWGIVER AND COVENANT LAWKEEPER Deuteronomy 29:9,29 ASV Keep therefore THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do. [29] The secret things belong unto Jehovah our God; but the things that are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW. ANTILAW PAGAN CHRISTIANITY REJECTED THE PROPHETS GOD YEHOVAH SENT TO RETURN THE BACK TO THE LAW AND UNTO YEHOVAH LIKE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY BOUND GENERATION OF JUDAH Isaiah 45:5-6,16,19,21-25 ASV I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me; [6] that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. [16] They shall be put to shame, yea, confounded, all of them; they shall go into confusion together that are makers of idols. [19] I have not spoken in secret, in a place of the land of darkness; I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I, Jehovah, speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. [21] Declare ye, and bring it forth; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath showed this from ancient time? who hath declared it of old? have not I, Jehovah? and there is no God else besides me, a just God and a Saviour; there is none besides me. [22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else. [23] By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. [24] Only in Jehovah, it is said of me, is righteousness and strength; even to him shall men come; and all they that were incensed against him shall be put to shame. [25] In Jehovah shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Who were the people being baptized before Jesus baptized into? Who was Jesus baptized into?
LORD YEHOVAH THE TRUE GOD DEMANDED FOR GODLINESS FROM MEN NOT SECTARIANISM OR DENOMINATIONALISM AND OFFER SALVATION FOR REPENTANCE FROM SIN UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS IN YEHOVAH NOT DIPPING OF PEOPLE IN WATER THE HOST OF YEHOVAH WAS NOT AN INVENTION OF ANY CHRIST
I was raised in the church of Christ. nice sincere people.
Amen!!!
Amen! Hallelujah! I really needed to hear this now 😊
Whats difficult about it? It happened as and when Jesus said or He lied. And I know Jesus didn't lie. He came back like He said, when he said. People really need to reexamine thier eschatology.
*Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........* Wake me up when he mentions any evidence for a god.
it's a sermon
16:40 this is the separation
Pure ignorance. And there are hundreds of Christian denominations “offending” each other, while most secular non believers aren’t offended, they just know you are ignorant.
Trust the science. The Zionce. The seance. There's certainly no ignorance there...
the exit from god it happening ! the slavery is falling , stop with that god , i dontfunction that way , i function my own unatural way
Thank you, Travis for this lesson ! I needed to hear this today ! 🥰🙏
Thank you brother , may the Lord Jesus bless you !! From Lincoln, Montana
goood work...
Commonly misused Bible Verses in an attempt to dissuade believers from obedience to God. Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth ONE DAY above another: another esteemeth EVERY DAY alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth THE DAY, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not THE DAY, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Now expound under the Light of all scripture! Firstly it was a letter to the church in ROME, where it was LAW to follow the Roman Julian Calendar. So a Roman man might esteem ONE DAY, another man might esteem EVERY DAY. But Paul wants the church in Rome to know that those who regard THE DAY that God has appointed, is regarding God, but those who do not regard THE DAY are not regarding God. Those who eat certain food and drinks for the Lord (like on on Passover) are also regarding the Lord, and those who don't eat anything (like on Day of Atonement), are FASTING exactly as the Lord has instructed in Lev 23. The same author also wrote this... Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a Feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, BUT THE BODY THAT CASTS IT belongs to Christ. The same author also wrote this.... Ephesians 5:30 For WE ARE MEMBERS OF HIS BODY Now expound under the Light of all scripture! Knowing that the Roman authority and enemies of God will actively hunt you down (judge you) for eating certain foods and drinks on certain days - don't let any man judge you for obeying Gods instruction regarding eating certain food & drinks on Feast Days, for observing New Moon Days and Sabbath Days, because as MEMBERS OF HIS BODY, it is our duty to continue to cast these shadows as beacons of light to the world. The same author also wrote this... Acts 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus. Now expound under the Light of all scripture! Paul was no hypocrite like Peter at antioch. Paul was given THE GOSPEL by direct revelation from Jesus Christ Himself. Paul knew that it was his duty to observe Gods FEAST days according to THE GOSPEL. Paul was not taught this gospel by any man, except Jesus Himself. The same author also wrote this.... Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Now expound in the Light of scripture! Paul reminds the members of the church in Galatia that they once were unwitting slaves to demons, by observing days and months to those beings who were not really gods. But now that they had learned the TRUTH about the one true living God and the things that He requires of them, why would they go back to slavery to demons by observing those days again? In fact Paul was so distressed by this activity, because he was afraid of what might happen to them - so it is VERY VERY IMPORTANT TO BELIEVERS! Today modern christians have also fallen away under the same great apostasy, by observing days that have not been appointed by God. People worship demons when they observe Saint Valentines Day, Saint Patricks Day, October Fest, Christmas Day, Easter, Halloween Day, etc.... Worship demons you say? Yes, when we observe any day to anyone except God then that entity is the one whom we worship, and this is specifically warned against in scripture. What christian would knowingly worship a demon? Perhaps none, but virtually everyone if it is a DECEPTION. Remember how Eve was deceived? In fact here again is the warning by John in Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues did not even repent of the works of their hands SO THAT THEY WILL NOT WORSHIP THE DEMONS, and the golden and silver and bronze and stone and wooden idols, which are able neither to see, nor to hear, nor to walk. And so now to Hebrews 4 1 Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:“So I swore on oath in My anger, ‘They shall never enter My rest.’ ” Now expound in the Light of all scripture! When we receive the GOOD NEWS that God will forgive us our sins, if we repent of them, and BELIEVE by showing that BELIEF by obeying His Commandments, then we enter that rest as described in the 4th Commandment. Those who hear and don't truly believe, well they don't bother to enter Gods Sabbath Day of rest. In fact the very first sentence warns that we should not fall short of entering His appointed rest days (Holy Convocations). 6 Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7 God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience. Now expound in the Light of all scripture! The same day of REST remains until this very day, and some who are still unbelievers fail to enter that rest through disobedience. In Joshua Chapter 24, Joshua reminded the Hebrews who had escaped Egypt of the history of DISOBEDIENCE to Gods Laws, and asked then to renew their vows to OBEY GODS LAWS, and so it was written in the book of Law and placed under the Oak tree on a large stone as a witness against the Hebrews should they turn away from Gods Law and worship other gods on other days, as they had done so in the past back in Egypt. So then we are reminded that it is still Gods Law that we enter into His appointed Sabbath days of rest, so that we imitate God in all things that we do. We are further encouraged to continue to enter into Gods Sabbath Day of rest, so that we do not set an example of DISOBEDIENCE. The days that God has appointed should be very very important to every single person who is a TRUE BELIEVER! In fact it was Jesus who reminded the Disciples at the last supper on Passover, that they should continue to do these things in remembrance of Him. And again it was Jesus who before His ascension into heaven, reminded all of the Disciples the importance of keeping the Day of Pentecost, because that was the day that the Father had PROMISED to send the Holy Spirit. In fact Acts 2 stands as a testimony against anyone who dares to say that the 4th Commandment is no longer valid, or that the Feast Days are no longer important. Now to continue to observe Pentecost, we must first know how to count Sabbaths - 7 of them, according to Lev 23. Before that, we need to know when Firstfruits occurs, and prior to that we need to know when Feast of Unleavened Bread begins, and before that when Passover falls, and before that when the New Moon Day occurs that announces the beginning of a New Year once sufficient Barley would be at a stage of ripeness to call a New Year without having to add another month of Adar 2. What beggars belief, is that supposed christians think that it's ok to completely ignore Gods Calendar of Gen 1:14, and think it's ok to substitute man made calendar from ancient pagan Rome who served demons, even naming some days and months after demons. To even mention those names or have them heard from our lips is an offense to God according to Josh 23:7 & Exodus 23:13. Yet yt preacher after yt christian apologist, is willingly blind to the truth that Gods Calendar is Luni-Solar, and has New Moon Days, Sabbath Days, working Days and Feast Days. It beggars belief that supposed christians cannot see Eze 46:1-3, then Isaiah 66:22-23, and think that somehow it's ok to forget all about this for the in-between time??? But there is a simply reason why Jesus said that the way to Eternal Life is narrow and the gate small, and few that walk that way. And it's because most false teachers, preachers, and yt apologists are willingly ignorant of the truth concerning Created time, and how the Creator instructed us to look up and observe the TIME according to His calendar that He placed into the heaven above. As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord - not your privately interpreted false gospel , nor SDA, nor JW's, nor Baptists, nor AOG, nor Pentecostals, nor Calvinists, nor Dispensationalists, nor anyone except Gods Word!
Why do people keep searching for possible answers when the most obvious has been staring then in the face all this time . The following in a quote from a concentration camp survivor : " By far the simplest explanation for Auschwitz is that there is no God to intervene in human affairs. No deity exists to care what we do to each other. All compassion and all hatred in the human universe is ours. We are on our own" I beleive this to simply be the truth.
Zechariah, of the lineage of the prophet Samuel- 1 Samuel 8:2; 1 Chronicles 6:28; 24:10; Luke 1:5. His son, John-meaning the grace of God, finally fulfilled the desire of the prophet Samuel - his great, great grandfather, for all Israel, bringing them back to their God, which mission even Elijah didn't fulfill, because he became weary, and was taken up in a whirlwind to heaven, until John, when he got another opportunity to complete it, before the Lord will come to become their King, to fulfill God's purpose- from the lineage of king David, who Samuel had anointed as God's chosen King of Israel. God had previously rejected Israel and wasn't dealing with them, since His indictment of Israel in Malachi; revelation to Daniel, which was shut before its completion. Jeremiah 6:30; 7:29; 12:7; Deuteronomy 28:15-68;31:17; Amos 5:20; Ezekiel 39:23; Daniel 12:4; Revelation chapters 5-22. That was the reason why God had to send the angel.
Thank you from our Bible study group in Idaho! Studying this part of the passage this coming week and will use your study help. Thanks you again for taking the time to put it together! God bless !
You said there is no Salvation in faith alone "you must repent" the way you said that is a heretical statement. If you meant it like how it was heard then you teach heresy. The act of faith is repentance, the act of turning to God, is the act of turning from sin (which is repentance). The thief on the Cross said to Jesus "remember me when you come into your kingdom (that is faith, the turning from sin), Jesus said to him today you will be with me in paradise (that is Salvation). The thief didn't say 'today I confess every sin I've ever committed was sin', and Jesus didn't say 'repent to me and you will be saved'. The thief had faith, and Jesus gave salvation by His Grace.
The keys to the kingdom are not what you think because of what Peter said in 2 Peter 1:5-11 and because of what the Lord said in Mark 10:42-44. "...Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. BUT SO SHALL IT NOT BE AMONG YOU: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all" (Mark 10:42-44). Peter was commanded three times to “feed My sheep” (John 21:15-17). Peter has been feeding the sheep by sharing the keys to the kingdom with the sheep in 2 Peter 1:5-11 and the entrance to the kingdom will be abundantly ministered to them. And they will never fall. And Peter said, “...add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:5-11). In other words, instead of the keys to the kingdom being totalitarian power to demand that other people and churches obey you, Peter says that the keys to the kingdom is the sheep having the power to live holy and to never fall. Peter by his personal example never acted as if having the keys to the kingdom meant asserting authority over other people. For example in Acts 15 when a very important matter was to be decided before the assembly the final verdict was given by James and not by Peter (Acts 15:19). Paul gave commandments to the churches he established and not Peter (1 Corinthians 7:17 and 16:1). Also, Paul did not take his orders from Peter. In fact Paul rebuked Peter to his face. “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed” (Galatians 2:11). ... ... ...
Abuse is not a biblical reason for divorce yes seperation get to safety. But no where in bible sqys it is biblical. I agree stay away forever if you must. But no divorce.
Division church of Christ, 1 Cor 13: 8 doesn't say tongues will cease this side of eternity, as 1 Cor 13 goes on to say. Jesus said the believers shall speak in tongues, you are calling Jesus a liar. The Bible records eight operations of supernatural tongues, and they are al important to the believers. The Bible says the gifts that God gives WILL NOT be taken back Meaning, they will never end in the Church age.
Hey Yall, how about some recent sermons? Did you know there is thousands of new churches of Christ all over the world that ONLY use their phones to receive teaching through UA-cam like in Africa? These brothers and sisters are often taught through CoC Bible schools. They use what they hear from U.S. churches of Christ to increase their knowledge and they are baptizing hundreds daily. Thankyou for your ministry. T.C. Eastside church of Christ Canandaigua NY
No, the church doesn't want you riding alone because then you aren't with the herd. You're not easily manageable. If you start thinking about what you're reading (for once) they can't control you and keep you silent. Humans attached to groups will become entrained to the group-think and are easily manipulated. That's why the girl in ua-cam.com/video/X6kWygqR0L8/v-deo.html ends up standing at the tone just like everybody else does EVEN WHEN they all are gone. And don't think you won't--you will. Humans are hardwired to go along to get along. And where there are groups, there's power and some psychotic narcissist or sociopath to grab it.
Someone in your comment has already proved you wrong so you need to take this message off
Great sermon I feel like it was really alot based upon the scripture lean not on your own understanding but in all your ways acknowledge him and he will make your path straight
We are to be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect it doesn’t come instantly by a prayer accepting Jesus but rather by seeking his face and intimate relationship with Jesus and the renewing of our mind in the word
Christian in the days of Christ and the deciples was meant to be a derogatory term meaning little Jesus were very proud to be today we must reflect on our life and ponder by our actions would there be enough proof to convict us of being a Christian by our actions and works aside from going to church and posting things on our social media page
He merely brought his new covenant and it was really radical for that day
As the new high priest he implemented the new covenant of grace and you can’t put new wine into an old wine skin meaning the old and new covenant cannot mix and do it’s perfect work
I get the feeling that when you talk about being single and solitary, it's an easier life than marriage. Just lay back and enjoy the quiet and all that. Maybe it's because your married and you have your own issues, I don't know. But if a person is single their whole life, and it's not a matter of choice, they get the sense that they are made eunuchs by the culture they live in. And the church doesn't help much, either. They have their married groups, but not their singles groups. They tell those people to go to a men's group or a women's group. It's like the world wants us to marry its divorcees, and the church wants us to stay out because they think we'll hit on their wives, or worse, their daughters.
37:24 Yes, it is a contradiction of what YOU were talking about when you said divorce is sin. God gave the specifics on the divorce (due to the hardness of Israel's hearts), and God hates divorce, but the divorcing isn't the sin. People shouldn't divorce lightly, agreed. I Cor 7:15 it states if an unbeliever leaves, the believers are not in bondage to the divorce (however, it is very important to keep Jesus' commandment concerning remarriage). It is questionable if an abuser is even saved at all.
19:13 Doesn't seem fair, does it? There is a big assumption being made here and it was addressed questionably at the beginning of the video. Is it fornication when a spouse commits adultery? Adultery was punishable by death, so of course the victim is free to remarry, they are now a widow/widower. But look at a familiar sin in those days - harlotry. Suppose a man betrothed to be married went to some temple harlot,would the consummation of that marriage be cancelled at that point, and would God be okay with it?
God made man upright
Psalms 47:1 “(To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah.) O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.” Isaiah 55:12 “For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.” Psalms 149:3 “Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.” Psalms 134:2 “Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD.” 1 Timothy 2:8 “I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.”
I get so excited when I see or hear the Churches of Christ .🤣🙋🏾♀️ Father I thank you for your Son,I thank you for the plan of sslvarion ,I thank you for rhe Church family and I thank you for the blood!
A Case where a form of "Situation Ethics" comes into play... or "Love trumps Law." See Matthew 12:1--8. In the old days on the ranch when one man's animals would break the fence and impose on one's very much unappreciative neighbor, one time when the neighbor came with a shotgun looking for my Grand-dad, Grandmother told him Granddad was not home. She worried about that for years. But she did it to keep someone from getting hurt... much like Rahab! Just my opinion, but I don't think she would be condemned for that... Granddad had a shotgun, too! --But, WARNING: don't go pushing the ox in the ditch just to find an excuse!
Matthew 12 is not an example of "situation ethics." Note that the Pharisees were accusing Jesus's disciples of doing that which is unlawful. But in verse 7, Jesus acknowledges that they had condemned the guiltless, meaning they had not violated law on the Sabbath day, only the Pharisees' law.
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@@travistoye371 Well, if you say so. But it sure looked like traveling and harvesting to the legalistic Pharisees. I think you will agree that David did wrong and got excused, as we read it from 1 Sam. chapters 20 and 21. In fact, it looks like he was even lying about the "young men" with him... but Jesus mentioned "those who were with him" in Matt. 12. (Don't quite get that!)
@@emersonblythe6733 David did sin by eating that which was unlawful, in 1 Samuel. However, I believe what Jesus is getting at is, "think about your hero David from the Old Testament, He broke My law and you still praise him. Yet My disciples have not broken God's law, only your human laws, and you are quick to condemn them." Jesus was pointing out there inconsistency for who they condemn.
A SURE-FIRE RECIPE FOR DISCORD What is a sure-fire recipe for division and discord? NUMBER ONE: Insist on a "thus saith the Lord" for everything we do in religion. Sounds good... but there is just one problem: THE BIBLE DOES NOT GIVE US SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR CARRYING ON CHURCH. We then insist that there is a "PATTERN" or "EXAMPLE" in the Bible for how we are to do everything in religion. But then we realize that there is no specific pattern given for carrying out a modern-day worship service. There is no example of a church building, pews, a pulpit minister, a youth minister, a song leader, Ushers, Sunday School teacher, Vacation Bible school, youth programs... and the list goes on. SO... we say that "pattern" has to be DEDUCED from commands, examples, necessary inferences, and approved precedents. And, so, our predecessors have pretty well done that for us. NUMBER TWO: We tell everyone to study the Bible for him- or herself. We don't want to be like some churches who tell their members they must take the decisions of the "clergy" without question, so we instruct each Christian to study the Bible for themselves. WHEN THAT HAPPENS... Here comes the discord! One Christian says there is no example of a "Communion Set." He confuses the phrase "When he had supped" (eaten supper, 1 Cor. 11:25) as the equivalent for "When he had sipped," and concludes one cup needs to be passed around and everyone take a sip. Another says there is no New Testament example of an organization other than the local church, and thus such things as missionary agencies and orphan's homes are unscriptural. Thus a "Non-Institutional" church is born. One reads the New Testament and notices that there is no example of anyone but needy church members and preachers receiving funds from the church treasury and concludes any other use is sinful. One person deems various "benefits" as a good way to raise funds for various projects; another notices that the only fundraising in the early church was free will offerings. And so on with humming, hand-clapping, pitch pipes, musical instruments, divided classes, bus ministries, teaching aids, praise teams, kitchens, fellowship meals... and the list goes on and on. THE RESULT: When one Christian perceives another as doing something that departs from the "pattern," he concludes that it is "wrong" to fellowship the "brother who is in error" --WE ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS... all who differ are fakes. And thus: DIVISION AND DISCORD. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? Stop studying for yourself and accept the directive of your preacher or leader? Each group follow a "study guide" put out by a central educational institution? Everyone agree with me, and we will all be united? Stop thinking for yourself? BUT YOU SAY NONE OF THESE ARE FEASIBLE. True. Then how about this one: STOP REQUIRING EVERYONE TO THINK ALIKE. REALIZE THAT GOD DOES NOT DEMAND COOKIE-CUTTER CHRISTIANS! 2 Cor. 3:6: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Cor. 3:17: "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY." Gal 2:4: "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage." THE JEWISH SCRIBES AND PHARISEES OF JESUS' DAY TRIED DEMANDING LEGALITIES ON THEIR PEOPLE... AND JESUS DID NOT APPROVE. Matt. 23:15: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Luke 11:42: "But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Verse 46: "And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers." 1 Cor 8:1-3: "Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him." Rom. 14:1-4: "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand." Rom 14:17-19: "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another." Peace. --EB
Would you like to address the arguments in the video that you disagree with? I am not sure you listened through to the end. You did not address the idea from the video about specific commands verses general commands. How about we start here. Is it wrong to be baptized in a baptistry?
@@travistoye371 I am not really interested in getting into all the specifics: it is the general attitude that we have in reading the Scriptures. Some read them in a legalistic way (looking for an implied "rule" in all the statements,) others just telling what the early Christians DID, not in ruling out any other way. I am NOT saying there is anything WRONG in doing things the way we do them. When it becomes WRONG is when we use IMPLIED issues (where the Lord has NOT spoken) to CONDEMN OTHERS who do things a little differently. For example: There is no issue about the number of times Naaman was to dip: God specified SEVEN. Are we to condemn individual property ownership just because in the early church they "had all things common"? There is no issue about baptism: God said BURIED. But in other cases, there are matters of opinion. Some say when God said do good to ALL MEN, He is speaking of individual Christians, not the church. Like the issue of not eating meat, it is a matter of conscience to them. (And, in Romans 14, Paul said not to dispute and condemn on these issues.) Some think because Paul said SING PSALMS instruments are justified, because a PSALM by definition is a piece to be accompanied by a harp or psaltery HENCE THE WORD PSALM. Even Strong's definition says it means to sing and PLAY with all our hearts. On BAPTISM: Some think running water as suggested by the river John and Jesus used, better portrays the washing away of sins (as the SCAPEGOAT taking one's sins into the wilderness did). I was baptized in a baptistry (and if I had it to do over now, I would probably prefer live water) but I don't seek to re-do it. Some say the Bible is not specific on the day to observe the Lord's Supper. Acts 20:7 says they did it on the first day of the week (approved precedent.) The early church met in an upper room (as Jesus sometimes did) as approved precedent, but we don't see that as a requirement. Jesus, after all, instituted the Lord's Supper on a Thursday night, (or a close weekday, depending on whether you subscribe to a Friday crucifixion.) And this does not "prove" they did it EVERY first day of the week. I could speak of going out with the guys on the Monday night when my wife goes to the homemaker's meeting. But truth is that only happens on one Monday night per month. And if you really want to be consistent, stop calling it the Lord's SUPPER and eating it in the morning or at noon-time! On a praise-team: the command for a woman to keep silent is irrelevant, for whether she sings sitting or standing, she is still in the church. Where is the Scripture for a praise team? -probably in the next chapter after the one about a song-leader. Guess it would be OK if the woman has something on her head as per 1 Cor. 11 (say that was only a custom of the times? -See what I mean about various opinions?) And is "giving" an "Item of Worship"? -Some say it is because it an ORDER (1 Cor. 16:1) but Paul said is is NOT a command in 2 Cor. 8:8. And where is the term "Items of Worship" found in the Bible at all? I have made my point, and I am not trying to find fault with the way you believe in doing things. What I am trying to bring to light is how legalistic and judgmental we have become in not making allowances for other people and their understandings. (And that does not mean accepting a "rain bow" preacher or elder, for GOD HAS DEFINATELY SPOKEN ON THAT ISSUE!) If I believe in being baptized in live water, then I need to be baptized in live water... BUT NOT CONDEMN TO HELL ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED IN A BAPTISTRY... or applaud, or have a praise team, or support orphan's homes, etc. I appreciate where you are coming from, for I used to be there myself... until I saw how inconsistent it was! --E.B.
@@emersonblythe6733 I'll stick with the baptistry illustration to begin, then maybe we can spend some productive time going through some of the different items listed if desired. If a person believes that a soul MUST be baptized in a river, so much so that they bind their feeling on others, then they are wrong. Simple. Why are they wrong? Because that component of the New Testament command was not specific. It did not specify WHERE one must be immerse in water, only that they must be immersed in water. Therefore, if the person "feels" differently and makes it a matter of salvation among God's people, then we STILL know THEY ARE WRONG for binding such a thing. If they don't bind their preference to be baptized in a river, then we don't have a problem. I find it interesting that we can agree that “sprinkling” would violate the specific command to “immerse” but we (evidently) don’t agree that the command to “sing” is specific enough. Why not? Were instruments used in the Psalms? Of course they were, in the Old Testament. But you come to the New Testament and we are told to “sing” psalms. Let me illustrate it this way. Let’s say we were sitting around a campfire with no instruments, and I asked you to sing your favorite bluegrass song. Would you be able to “sing” a bluegrass song without an instrument, even though blue grass music is typically known for its instruments? Yes, you could “sing” a blue grass song. Well, in the New Testament, they were told to “sing” psalms. The New Testament also does reference “to sing” and “to pluck” but what instrument is to be plucked? THE HEART. “Sing and pluck your heart.” It’s a literary play on words as an allusion to the Jewish command to “sing and pluck an instrument.” What instrument is to be used in the New Testament? What is specified? The heart. In scripture, with the principle of "eating meats," there is an acknowledgment that such a scruple NOT TO EAT MEAT is out of line with what scripture actually says. The person who has a scruple is supposed to be able to recognize "oh this personal FEELING isn't a command of scripture, therefore I can't bind it on others. I know scripturally I have been given freedom to eat meats, but I personally don’t want to use that freedom." Therefore, because scripture gives us the correct answer, we know what is a matter of opinion and what is not. However, when something IS BOUND in scripture, we cannot simply allow freedom for specific, clear commands. We can't allow someone to sprinkle for baptism. We can’t allow someone to sing and pluck an instrument in the worship assemblies, because scripture said to “sing and pluck your heart.” In the same light, we cannot we allow someone to FORCE others to be immersed IN A RIVER. To bind or lose either side of the command would be sin. Certainly there’s freedom to be immersed ANYWHERE where there is water. But immersion is still the command that must not be changed. After your replies to my "baptistry" comments and "instrumental music," you can pick the next example for us to talk about on your list if you would like and we can go from there.
@@travistoye371 I know the arguments very well, Bro. Toye... was brought up in a one-cup, no-classes very conservative church when young, then changed to a slightly more "progressive" congregation when entered teens. After I was baptized, it was my aim to "legalistically" research and apply the terms in an undeniably understandable way. I learned more than they did: that people have their own understandings, and it does much more harm to exclude them from fellowship than to accept them in love. I have actually seen one sect padlock the other out of the church building the contention was so sharp. But it is my observation that you approach the whole "law of liberty" in a "legalistic" manner. Is this the way God intended? I don't think so... but you will probably never agree. In the meat-eating versus non-meat-eating issue of Romans 14, you will note that Paul did NOT say "You non-meat-eating people need to realize and admit that this is just your personal scruple, and not try to make it an issue of right versus wrong." No. He said, "LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND." It was evidently a "doctrinal" matter to them... a matter of wrong versus right. But Paul says you need to fellowship the brother who is doing what you are "fully persuaded" to be wrong! Paul went on to tell them that an idol is nothing in the world, and if we eat meat offered to idols, we are no better or worse. But then in another Scripture he said the things they offer to idols has been sacrificed to DEVILS, and Paul does not want God's people having fellowship with devils. (1 Cor. 10:20) I just think we are too prone to say "WE HAVE THE TRUTH," and it's my way or the highway. We have to make allowances for other people. We have to "forbid them not" even though they may be "walking another lane" as the language implies. God didn't say we have to be highly educated to be His disciples. It may be the higher the learning, the harder He is to find! Paul had to ditch his learning. And he said, "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us," (Acts 17:27, NKJV). I don't think the lawyer-like dissemination of the Bible is necessary or even desirable in being a follower of Christ. If mama is having a birthday and the kids slip into the kitchen, and in their bungling way put together a birthday cake for her, is she going to reject it because it has too much baking soda, fell in the middle and the frosting is runny? I don't think so--it's going to be "the best cake she ever had." Is God not just as accommodating of His inept children? Psa. 103:13, 14: "As a father pities his children, So the LORD pities those who fear Him. For He knows our frame; He REMEMBERS THAT WE ARE DUST." I remind you once again of these words of the Apostle Paul: "We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him." (1 Cor. 8:1--3).
@@emersonblythe6733 It seems to me that your up-bringing in the “one cup, no classes” church of Christ has led you to overcompensate into accepting far more than is Biblical. Seeing the silliness of the “one cuppers” reasoning in rejecting “the mainstream” church of Christ, you seem to have taken the approach that we must accept all differences of teaching and opinion. But you yourself wouldn’t accept everything, would you? Would you accept sprinkling for baptism? Would you accept baptizing babies? You reference the “meat” discussions of scripture attempting to apply it to concepts like instrumental music, etc. However, as mentioned in the video, you are not comparing apples to apples. A Christian with a weak conscience toward eating meat could certainly realize from scripture that nothing was forbidding him from eating, other than his conscience. If he or she considered it a “doctrinal” issue, then they were in error. Paul said, “I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself.” Also, “we know that an idol is nothing in the world.” Those (such as myself) who will not accept musical instruments in worship actually have scriptural reasons for why men do not have this freedom under the law of Christ. Scripture tells us with regards to eating meat, “you may eat… or you may not eat; it is your choice.” But scripture does not say that with instrumental music in the church. Scripture tells us, “sing.” There is no “allowance” for it, as Paul clearly allows the eating of meat. You seem to have this mentality that if a Christian feels there is a lack of freedom in some area, that it is ALWAYS wrong to reject someone else who practices that freedom. So I ask you these questions: If you believe baby baptism is wrong, should you accept those who do not? If you believe the catholic papacy is wrong, should you accept those who do not believe it’s wrong? If you believe that homosexuality is wrong, should you accept those who do not believe it is wrong? You are telling me, “we ought to be more accepting.” But my point to you is, “when taking that mentality, how far are you willing to go?” Of course it comes down to interpretation of authority, as you evidently know “all the arguments” on this topic. Our authority is scripture. So we let scripture tell us what to accept and reject. Scripture says, “immerse” ; we reject those who sprinkle. Scripture says, “sing” ; we reject those who play instruments. Scripture says, “homosexuality is sin” ; we reject those who believe it is not a sin. Scripture says, “meat may be consumed, or not consumed” ; therefore we do not reject one who wished to withhold or one who wished to eat. Scripture says, “take the Lord’s supper” ; we reject those who add the rule that it must be out of one cup. Scripture says, “preachers may be paid” ; we reject those who say preachers may not be paid. And so on and so forth. I still am not gathering what doctrinal issue that I reject, that you would hope I would accept. Perhaps you could give me a list of items that you believe I should reject vs items you believe I should accept. Lastly, the “birthday party” illustration you gave (which was to show God’s attitude toward worship) does not align with His attitude toward Nadab and Abihu’s worship in the Old Testament. He rejected their Old Testament worship because they offered something He didn’t ask for. In New Testament terms, we would say they didn’t worship “in truth.” Do you believe we can offer ANYTHING in our assemblies to God? May we burn candles and call it worship? May we play sports at the assembly and call it worship? Can we handle snakes in the worship and call it worship?
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The Bible teaches us to make allowances for other people, Col. 3:13; Rom. 14:1 ff. You referenced 1 Cor. 1:10: Paul's plea for unity, There were Paulite, Cephasite and church of Christ Christians, BUT PAUL DID NOT SAY THEY WERE NOT CHRISTIANS: 1 Cor. 1:2: "Unto the CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with ALL THAT IN EVERY PLACE call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours." I read Goebel Music's "Behold the Pattern" book and it convinced me the opposite of what he was trying to say... that we are too legalistic with our pattern. Do it the way you think the Lord would have you do it, BUT DON'T CONDEMN everyone who sees it a little differently!
We would have to deal with one topic at a time to decipher "opinion" from "doctrine."
You cite Second John verses 7--11... but you very conveniently leave out the latter part of verse 7 with verse 8. In reference to the "doctrine of Christ" I think it is clear that he is not referencing such things as foot-washing, musical instruments, items of worship, etc. (that we disfellowship over). The latter part of verse 7 describes what he means by "Doctrine of Christ." "For many deceivers are entered into the world, WHO CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH." It was doctrine ABOUT Christ and His divinity... not frivolities. (Compare 2 Pet 2:1; 1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3.)
So you are saying "the doctrine of Christ" only involves His deity? That's a dangerous position to hold. Would that mean men can change any "doctrine" laid down by Christ and His apostles so long as it isn't the doctrine about His deity? Should we bid Godspeed to a false teacher who believes Christ's deity, but not repentance and baptism? Should we bid Godspeed to someone who believes Christ's deity, but is living in fornication? What a silly thought.
@@travistoye371 Thanks for your input... but I didn't say the things Jesus taught were unimportant, but that John had the doctrine "about" Jesus in view in Second John (probably the teaching of the gnostics). Those who deny "Lordship Salvation" deny the importance of what Jesus taught. I don't know of any of "us" who hold that ungodly view. It is the things Jesus did NOT teach that we disfellowship about (necessary inferences)... and maybe some application of the things He DID teach, like "footwashing." I don't say we should ACCEPT the things we don't believe in, but that we shouldn't FORBID (condemn to hell) those who have an innocent variation in understanding.
@@emersonblythe6733 Give an example for a topic that you are talking about. You are keeping it broad. What is something that we should not forbid in the church? Like I said elsewhere, we would have to take each topic at a time to decipher "opinion" vs "doctrine."
@@travistoye371 You know: The things the modern-day church of Christ divide over: applause, music, praise-team, women's head-covering, communion sets, eating in the church building, institutions, orphan's homes, using money from the treasury to help non-church-members, and so forth. -Things that are inferred or implied.
@@travistoye371 It IS broad. It is not concerning the individual issues, but the overall manner in which we read he New Testament! We try to read it as "Thou Shalt... and Thou Shalt not..." but that is not the way it is written! As far as I can determine, there was no command to wash Jesus' feet with tears, dry them with the hair of the head and anoint them with ointment. The disciples found fault with Mary for doing that with Jesus... but He said, "Let her alone; She has done what she could!" "The LAW was given by Moses, but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ." (John 1:17) And that "truth" is not necessarily a compilation of inferences and approved precedents from the Gospel narrative, but Jesus said, "I AM THE... TRUTH."