When I watch plumbers videos of their tools they are always dirty and rusty (in a good way), but electricians videos always have tools that look brand new or unused. Plumbers are putting in the real work and their tools show it.
One day I hope to learn some saber from you. Or really anyone from your club, you guys slap. (Also, footwork stuff, because your footwork is SO clean.)
tell us more about dueling saber, i already know a lot about military saber and never heard about dueling saber, would you tell more about it? im confused.
I think celebration is fine. If my opponent scores on me and celebrates, I personally see that as a sign of respect rather than disrespect. They felt that scoring on me is something worth celebrating, which is a good thing. Scoring on me and acting bored about it would be less respectful. I also think that refs should be able to handle celebration/crowd cheering/minor heckling and still be able to perform as refs, though I do think as the sport becomes larger, we should be taking steps to mitigate some of the other conflicts of interest that you mentioned, such as reffing people from your club. In a situation like that, you're biased in ways that you don't realize and can't control. The issue is not that the ref will knowingly cheat and give them points they don't deserve, but more like they are more familiar with that person's fencing and more sympathetic to them, so in a close scenario they may end up doing something to benefit them. Or the opposite might happen, they might be extra harsh on their friends either because they know what they're capable of, or to avoid appearance of bias, but that itself is also bias. Either way, even if there is no bias whatsoever, you still have the appearance of conflict of interest, which is in many ways just as bad. You don't want competitors or people with a vested interest in the competition thinking something funny is going on, even if it isn't. I think celebration can be excessive. I think some of the screaming they do in modern sabre where they take multiple breaths to keep screaming is crass, and I think it's in our best interest not to let it get to that point. But that's something that for the time being we don't have to worry about I think. I have done both kendo and modern sabre, and I celebrate sometimes in longsword, and have been penalized for it. In kendo, no celebration is allowed whatsoever, and if you do your point will be taken away, and people still compete at a very high level and care whether they win or lose. So it is possible to cultivate a culture like that, and I think it's going a little far to say that it's projection, or some other psychological thing if someone doesn't want celebration. I think there are legitimate reasons to not want celebration. Personally I think celebration should be allowed. I don't want a tournament to be a stoic, hermetically sealed event, I want there to be an element of raw grit, fencers laying it all on the floor, and showing that they care when their hard work pays off.
I’m all good with celebrating/emotional expression, as long as it isn’t directed at the judges. That job is hard enough without us nerd raging at them.
Perfectly worded, and projection is the perfect word to use here. People like to bring up “emotional control” or “maturity”, talking about how celebrating or yelling is losing control (yet they can never explain why), but is getting offended over someone celebrating not absolutely losing emotional control? Is it not immature? Imagine assuming someone’s outburst of joy and success is meant as a personal attack against you. It is PURELY projection, based on not being in control of their own emotions, and writing their opponent of as out of control. I’ve experienced every emotion in the book at tournaments. I’ve yelled, cheered, fist pumped, and I’ve also cried multiple times and have gotten very heated (in these cases I have always apologized). Never have I really felt “out of control”. I feel comfortable with the wide range of emotion that I’m used to feeling, and I can handle them well. I would hope that others can understand emotion and be comfortable with their own as well as others’. Volcanos diffusing often is a good thing to release pressure. Small scale fires help to prevent large, devastating wildfires etc etc
I enjoy the thoughtfulness of this response. I find that in HEMA, the judging is subjective enough where often times it is truly not worth celebrating *until* the point is declared yours. To use one of your examples, it would be akin to not celebrating a debate victory until the winner is declared. In your mind, there is no question to your scoring, but it all depends on what the judges see and like. That is to say, when hold is called, it is not yet a time of celebration, it is one of anticipation. I 100% agree that a tournament's rules should be clear about celebration rules before any judge attempts to penalize for it. I've popped off after a hit or looked at a judge in disbelief more than a few times when competing where such a thing was forbidden. It happens. Where I get away with it I consider it fortune, and in my local HEMA scene specifically I find that after an especially beautiful hit, both fencers are kind of hyped to the point where you'd have to card both of them. As for when I judge, I do find a certain amount of mental fortitude is needed to ignore premature celebration (or even premature depression!). As a judge I can only tell of what I have seen and heard. I called hold for a reason, and I need to stick to it.
When I watch plumbers videos of their tools they are always dirty and rusty (in a good way), but electricians videos always have tools that look brand new or unused. Plumbers are putting in the real work and their tools show it.
That was gorgeous Saber play... Thanks for sharing!!!
Is this La Verdadera Destrezza?
Ton Puey is perhaps the most famous diestro [fencer practising Destreza] of our day, but Charles is doing a different rapier system.
That is an awesome location to fence at! Where was this?
Houston texas
@charlesdeiliberi very cool. Great fencing as always!
Always a pleasure to watch! And an impeccable music choice as always for the rapier. You're making awesome use out of your offhand.
Nice fencing footage ! What treatise do you sutdy ?
late period italian
Looking snappy!
How is this scored? Every time a contestan says yes they are admitting a scorable point?
This was just freeplay so no scoring here
Vibes
Nice, my son! Enjoyed your sparing with the beautiful castle and woodlands in the background!
Just started watching, but my money's on the guy named Michael Longsword.
Right versus Left is always interesting.. the right handed guy did pretty well against a smaller and arguably faster opponent
Those hitmarkers are a really nice addition!
Tired of that little kid in the background going f'in craaayzaaay. Who's this guy mister balloons?
😂😂😂😂
Левый интересней
Ton Puey is everything I want to be when I grow up (I'm 30)
How does the fishtail work for hand-on-pommel actions?
Truly a fight between Masters
Good fencing, bad music.
Balanced as all things should be
The title made it sound like you were about to have a battle with tetanus
Yo I'm not the only one!
this shit is fire
0:48. Beware of the camera!
One day I hope to learn some saber from you. Or really anyone from your club, you guys slap. (Also, footwork stuff, because your footwork is SO clean.)
mario and wario type names
Looking good guys!
Having a good partner & opponent must be very happy
You seem to do better every time.
Yeah, his technique has improved a lot
Hell of a needle drop 👏👏
hey, thats me! I'm famous now!
A private lesson from THE Charles Turner, what an honor! I heard he's the Levi's Fountain of East Texas.
. Ha more like he's the Charles Turner of Kansas
wooop!!! love this! id love to see some staff fights and sword n buckler, love those. 24.8.30
Just thinking of kicking the glove on the first few tries already feels faster. Will be practicing this a lot, thank you!
That song sounds like Kingston Wall, Nepal or some such shit. Am I wrong?
7th like and 46th click.Proud of it.
A paean to the chest protector.😊
tell us more about dueling saber, i already know a lot about military saber and never heard about dueling saber, would you tell more about it? im confused.
false edge hema would beg to differ. The flourishes are great for feints and mixups
I think celebration is fine. If my opponent scores on me and celebrates, I personally see that as a sign of respect rather than disrespect. They felt that scoring on me is something worth celebrating, which is a good thing. Scoring on me and acting bored about it would be less respectful. I also think that refs should be able to handle celebration/crowd cheering/minor heckling and still be able to perform as refs, though I do think as the sport becomes larger, we should be taking steps to mitigate some of the other conflicts of interest that you mentioned, such as reffing people from your club. In a situation like that, you're biased in ways that you don't realize and can't control. The issue is not that the ref will knowingly cheat and give them points they don't deserve, but more like they are more familiar with that person's fencing and more sympathetic to them, so in a close scenario they may end up doing something to benefit them. Or the opposite might happen, they might be extra harsh on their friends either because they know what they're capable of, or to avoid appearance of bias, but that itself is also bias. Either way, even if there is no bias whatsoever, you still have the appearance of conflict of interest, which is in many ways just as bad. You don't want competitors or people with a vested interest in the competition thinking something funny is going on, even if it isn't. I think celebration can be excessive. I think some of the screaming they do in modern sabre where they take multiple breaths to keep screaming is crass, and I think it's in our best interest not to let it get to that point. But that's something that for the time being we don't have to worry about I think. I have done both kendo and modern sabre, and I celebrate sometimes in longsword, and have been penalized for it. In kendo, no celebration is allowed whatsoever, and if you do your point will be taken away, and people still compete at a very high level and care whether they win or lose. So it is possible to cultivate a culture like that, and I think it's going a little far to say that it's projection, or some other psychological thing if someone doesn't want celebration. I think there are legitimate reasons to not want celebration. Personally I think celebration should be allowed. I don't want a tournament to be a stoic, hermetically sealed event, I want there to be an element of raw grit, fencers laying it all on the floor, and showing that they care when their hard work pays off.
The first
I love watch🤟
Gosh how I hate people who fidget like that.
Pretty long katana!
Okatana
Jajajajaj
I’m all good with celebrating/emotional expression, as long as it isn’t directed at the judges. That job is hard enough without us nerd raging at them.
Perfectly worded, and projection is the perfect word to use here. People like to bring up “emotional control” or “maturity”, talking about how celebrating or yelling is losing control (yet they can never explain why), but is getting offended over someone celebrating not absolutely losing emotional control? Is it not immature? Imagine assuming someone’s outburst of joy and success is meant as a personal attack against you. It is PURELY projection, based on not being in control of their own emotions, and writing their opponent of as out of control. I’ve experienced every emotion in the book at tournaments. I’ve yelled, cheered, fist pumped, and I’ve also cried multiple times and have gotten very heated (in these cases I have always apologized). Never have I really felt “out of control”. I feel comfortable with the wide range of emotion that I’m used to feeling, and I can handle them well. I would hope that others can understand emotion and be comfortable with their own as well as others’. Volcanos diffusing often is a good thing to release pressure. Small scale fires help to prevent large, devastating wildfires etc etc
I enjoy the thoughtfulness of this response. I find that in HEMA, the judging is subjective enough where often times it is truly not worth celebrating *until* the point is declared yours. To use one of your examples, it would be akin to not celebrating a debate victory until the winner is declared. In your mind, there is no question to your scoring, but it all depends on what the judges see and like. That is to say, when hold is called, it is not yet a time of celebration, it is one of anticipation. I 100% agree that a tournament's rules should be clear about celebration rules before any judge attempts to penalize for it. I've popped off after a hit or looked at a judge in disbelief more than a few times when competing where such a thing was forbidden. It happens. Where I get away with it I consider it fortune, and in my local HEMA scene specifically I find that after an especially beautiful hit, both fencers are kind of hyped to the point where you'd have to card both of them. As for when I judge, I do find a certain amount of mental fortitude is needed to ignore premature celebration (or even premature depression!). As a judge I can only tell of what I have seen and heard. I called hold for a reason, and I need to stick to it.
Hell yeah my man, you gonna post any Sabre sparring videos?
I don't do much much sabre honestly
Thank you so much for these amazing tips! I really like that leg void.
i told you i only hit you two time
98% ? Better unlist this video