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Lots of us :) They still pop up on albums here & there. Backline companies always have them (along with the new synths too, of course), since everyone knows how to get around on them.

A great one, too. Likewise, as long as I have a working Motif I'm good.

Montage and MODX offer lots of amazing sounds/samples the Motif could never reproduce. Some people feel Motifs are more pleasant to the ears, which I feel as well, when comparing the old legendary patches they all share. I love all three, but for live playing the lights on the Montage panel make it very difficult to focus to concentrate.

@@waltscott5 The sounds you hear in the motifs, you have them exactly on the MODX which has the entire sound engine of the Montage. For live there is a specific section "Live SET" that allows you to visually access with a click all the patches and performances on the fly. For example a sound that is in the motifs and also brought into modx and montage that I love is 80s Layer and also all the sounds of the motif, but there are extraordinary sounds on the MODX/Montage, strings, very real Brass, FM synths etc. So if you compare the MOTIF ES/XS/XF to the Montage, then I tell you that the Montage is clearly superior, precisely because inside there is the motif and much more

I had one of those too. They are good as well, IMO.

Not $3000 worth :)

Yes. My takeaway also.

Thanks. It was interesting hearing them in the same audio environment like that. Glad it translated to video

Something more appealing about the ES sound. Older circuitry I suppose.

Agreed, unless the lightshow is important to you. :)

Really helpful. Thanks for doing this.

If it does, I doubt it would be anytime soon.

@@atarifalcon No after touch on the MODX 6/7 is a deal breaker for me. I can can get by without it on the 8 since it’s mostly for piano type sounds for me

Playing these guitar sounds lets you see why guitar players have so much fun.

Pica. Very heavy touch, but quick & snappy.

Exactly. The weight of the keys and velocity curve of the MODX lends a lot to that,too.

@@waltscott5 a si hermano por defecto y el defecto es ese que varias personas se quejaron de lo mal que sonaba jajja pero bueno a tiempo yo me di cuenta, por suerte 💪

Thank you for the video I just bought a Yamaha motif es 8 ,from guitar center, and I'm very excited 😊

I think that the usability of the interface, the quality of the keys, the amount of memory and the over all build quality are the main differences for the price. Soundwise it is hard to hear differences, especially when playing live.

Hard to improve on a classic flagship. They were flagships (and sold so many) for a reason. 😉

Exactly. I appreciate the MODX every time I lift it from the case to the stand, practically just using the muscles from one arm. That ES though is a whole other level of near-perfection.

Quite a racket, isn't it? lol. They are great instruments, but just re-skinned EX's for my needs.

I never noticed a difference between ES & XS but I’d be curious to know more. My reason for sticking with an ES rather than XS is that I use the breath control port which disappeared beginning with the XS. One thing I do know is that the XF was a disappointment to many motif fans. I was pretty disappointed as well. I didn’t keep it long.

Puedes explicar ,que es el puerto de control de la respiración

@@otonielmontejoarias1083 The breath controller goes back to at least the DX7. It’s like a wind controller in the sense that the keyboard will only make sound while you are blowing into it. You can use it to make horn solos sound more realistic in phrasing, or you can use it like you would an expression pedal to bring strings or other layers in, or control filters & LFOs, etc.

i have both...is almost the same sounds but some is with more elements (8 on XS and 4 on the ES..) thinking the pianos on XS with some extra key noise and sustain pedal noise when releasing the pedal.

@@nikoszisidisgrmstudio I think so as well. I’ve never missed having less elements, but I wonder if layering 2 or 3 voices that each have the max amount of elements active would make anything feel bogged down.

Consequences of excellency, I suppose 😄

Yes. Not to mention the DX7 changing the aesthetics of how we perceive music still today. I had a couple of those expansion cards for my original motif. I didn’t have the FM engine but I had the piano & analog ones. “PLG-150” was the series I think.

end the motif es get the same optional plug-in boards...i have VL1 board inside my ES7

@@nikoszisidisgrmstudio I had the grand piano plug-in board and the analog one. I found the the internal piano and synth waves to be fuller, for my uses. I have the VL board that came with a used Motif 6, but I have no idea how to use it.

I think so too. A large part of it, for me, has to do with how nice it feels under the fingers. I feel a very natural connection with it. That keybed feels like it was designed specifically for that body and vice versa, even though it wasn’t. Yamaha and Korg were masters of that craft. That same keybed was used in all the high-end Yamaha & Korg equipment going back to the DX7 and Korg M1. It was discontinued somewhere around the XF. Best synth action ever made in my opinion.

Funny how that works. Some minuscule component on a circuit board, replaced with a cheaper one, may have shaved a penny off production costs. 😆

Agreed. The Montage verb really stands out

Cant seem to find it anywhere…Would you mind posting a link?

The MODX is a live musician’s dream, but there are significant differences in audio quality between it and the Montage. The analog circuitry and sample rates are much better on the Montage, which accounts for the high price-point. It can be challenging, too, to achieve the same level of velocity control on the cheaper keybeds. I wouldnt use the MODX on a master session, but it’s the central component of my live rig.

@@waltscott5 thank you. Now I learned something. I had the Modx7 and later the montage 6. Didn’t find any difference sound wise. But I guess that’s my ears then. Pianos on both are weak in my opinion. Not enough resolution in the samples. And I’m the first to go tweaking velocity sensitivity and fiddle with the offset and depths of that department. I have the yc73 now. I like it. The keybed though not so much. I’m on the fence for a Montage m7 or 8x. Very curious about the new Gex keybed on the 8x. Sadly where I live they won’t put it on display so I can’t test it. Do you know if it’s lighter to the touch compared to the OG montage 8? According to Blake the pianos “are up there” with the yc when I asked in a comments section. With all those extra elements I guess they’d be able to emulate more dynamics and nuances on the pianos and all other sounds for that matter. Best regards.

@@waltscott5 would you use the MODX 7+ on a master session if it was played via a Roland RD-2000 and it's PHA-50 fully weighted keyboard?

Most definitely timeless. We’ll being seeing these Motifs on stages for another 10-15 years.

I've not played either keyboard. Just my guess

I know you mean though. Brighter, but yet warm still.

As far as dialing in the verb, I will say that I was unable to get a really good motif reverb sound on the montage.

Modx performance

Yes...I'd be curious to here that

That would be very interesting. I think there is a lot of overlap between these two. You certainly can use Montage like an arranger, building your intro, fill, a-d variation with pattern scenes. The sounding should be different though.

Они одинаковые, поскольку движок монтажа и геноса один и тот же AWM2

SA (arranger) and XA (workstation) voices work differently. SA distributes details like fret or breath noises automatically (algorithmically) and very organically. With XA voices you have to do this on your own.

Thanks! I’ll have to go back and listen now

Agreed on all points. Just more pleasing to the senses, right? And not to mention the keybeds on the earlier incarnations were so superior to what they release today. When after touch was not an optional upgrade.

All these are like an upgraded motif es.... and the motif es is built like a tank in every aspect..... my personal point of view.

Absolutely. Upgraded in many ways, like really good strings & orchestral in general, but then the construction build feels cheap/flimsy… Rubbery knobs and sliders everywhere. Breath controller is still missing, sequencer is gone. Pretty strange. Almost like a “Motif Lite”.

@@miljantotowhat About new fantom ?

@@thatmidlifevlogger4463 I wasn’t big into the Roland sound, Minneapolis, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis, etc, so I wouldn’t be the best one to ask, but I can only imagine how good they must be from what I’ve heard through the years. Personal athletics. Come to think of it, I did have an XP 80 that came in handy for certain things. Mainly the brash Minneapolis-in-the-80s-type sounds I needed for cover bands.

Ah! You would love the second generation DX7. And the TX 802. Those both had newer A/D converters and were much brighter. Crisper. I’m actually working on a video comparison of the original DX7 and the DX7 II.

Sorry , I missed your question at the beginning. It’s very easy. All the ROM cartridges are online. Dave Benson has a great site and so does Bobby blues. I’ll add links in the description. The only hoop for loading them to the montage is that you have to run the files through Yamaha‘s website for conversion. There is no downloadable app that I know of that will do that. The montage will take them from a thumb drive and do the rest.

I wasn't going to be the first to say it ;)

So true..same. Huge dance you have to do, endlessly. I made peace by using them for what they do best- as live instruments, or if I want to record them, I go analog out into two audio inputs in my daw. That’s the closest my Yamaha keyboards get to a computer. And then of course for any real recording I use plug-ins like everyone else. I don’t regret it a bit, and the nightmares stopped. 😆

@@waltscott5 Sounds like a good plan.

Agreed. I’m thankful Yamaha added this capability, but yes nothing can fully replicate the original DX7.

I didn’t but the “key” is just to be very careful around the hinge. It’s also a pain getting the leafspring out and then back in correctly. I’d almost recommend trying it with the lowest or highest key for practice first. Once you get in there, you’ll see the lubrication spots where plastic meets plastic. Start by cleaning all the old lubrication off, and then I used lithium machine grease to lubricate it.

Yes, I agree. It can be a good rabbit hole to fall in.

It does have a certain appeal. An oddball find to display on the shelf for sure.