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I know there's a lot of people happy to take your money and not care about the quality or value of what they are selling and there's a lot of dangerous counterfeits out there, so I'm looking into this right now, watch this space, I may be about to start selling the genuine machines myself. brb....

Yes, I've been doing paintless dent repair for almost 30 years and the technology available to us these days is worlds away from what it was when I started in January 1994. Each of the technologies has its own learning curve, and for those with the time and patience to learn them, the benefits are invaluable. Jobs which even just 10 years ago would be described as impossible, are now bread and butter to some! Thanks for watching. 😎🙏🏻

Hi and thanks for your comment. As I say in the video, each of the two machines is, in my opinion, decent value for money. That means that the value you get with each of the machines is, give or take, worth the money you pay for the machine. Given that one of them is three times the price of the other, you can therefore reasonably expect it to do three times the work the cheaper one will. To put it another way, you get what you pay for with these. They are both a good machine for the price you pay for them. The only thing I'd say that has changed dramatically since I made this video though, is that betag now sell the micro head, which is even better still, but it comes at a cost. Myself, once I'd bought myself a micro head, I've barely used the standard head again! You can find more info on my Web site. WoodpeckerUK.co.uk or click directly to the shop here: woodpeckeruk.co.uk/pdr-tools-and-accessories-online-shop/ Feel free to reach out if you want to know more and good luck with whichever way you choose to go. 🙏

Had a ring around my contacts and I hear Mark from www.panelperfectpdr.co.uk isn't far from.you. He's a good tech. Hope that helps.

@@ColinWoodpeckerUK Hi, thanks, so kind of you, i really appreciate that. many thanks, i will contact them.

I use a T-Hotbox on almost every car in one way or other. I'd be lost doing roof rails and similar panels without my Hotbox and HeatSabre! Currently doing an Audi RS6 with medium to heavy hail damage and I'm just at the end of the first rail. I've used the HeatSabre/Hotbox combo on every dent, often after pulling the bulk up with glue and finishing off with the HeatSabre. It works beautifully! 😎😊

@@ColinWoodpeckerUK Very well sir. Just asking because more likely, I may end up getting the woyo. If anything, your videos are very useful and well presented. Be safe and hope to see your next projects on UA-cam.

I've been at it since 1994 and I really believe that when the time comes that I can't learn something from the newer guys coming through the ranks, that's when I should hang up my boots and call it a day. Induction, like every other form of PDR isn't the silver bullet that will repair everything, but it really does bring something to the table on many repairs on a daily basis. I remember back in 2007, when glue came into the UK market. I bought a kit, tried it and thought it was useless. Chucked it into the back of the van and never brought it out again for months... Until I saw some other guys doing amazing things with it! Now look where we are with glue! All it takes is for you to open your mind and learn how to use it to best effect. I wish you luck on your learning curve and if I can be of any help, you can find me at woodpeckeruk co.uk Have a great day! 😎

In my experience, there's no reason why you can't use them on long dents, especially while using the HeatSabre ( www.woodpeckeruk.co.uk/shop/ ) with it to give you a better view on the real time status of the dent whilst it is being worked on given that one of the tricks in getting a dent to do what you want it to do is by dragging the head, while it's emitting the energy, from one area of metal to another, so there's no reason why you couldn't start at one end of a cease and work along the axis of it to the other end. Almost like a zip, but as with all types of dents, first you need to understand how to repair a dent and what happens to the metal when it expands. If you have that information, you understand it, can put it into practice and master it, then these are incredibly versatile machines. One thing that many people don't realise, is that due to them using electromagnetic radiation to create heat in the metal, then the user using the expansion in the metal caused by that heat to manipulate the metal and repair the dent, even really thick strong metal can be worked with these machines. I love using it on the A Pillars and rails of a VW transporter. Some dents can be so tough, you can pull a muscle in your shoulder trying to move them, but as all metal expands with heat, these still repair like any other. You just need a bit more heat than thinner metal. Every model of car and every panel may have different thicknesses of metal so you need to use your experience to match the heat applied to the thickness of metal and you will have no problems.

If you know what you're doing, they are invaluable. I have mine set up on a battery and inverter in the bottom of my hail cart. I don't use it on every dent, but on the ones I do, it is a crackin' piece of kit.

Yeah, I get that. It Is still something I hope to do in the future, I have customers that have offered to help, it's just a matter of time and logistics. I'm a busy man and I don't make anything from making UA-cam videos, so I have to prioritise my customers first. I only had the materials I had at the time of making the video, so did the best comparison I could with what I had. Thanks for watching though. 👍

There are different machines for aluminium and steel. If you take a look at woodpeckeruk.co.uk the two machines from Betag are on there, Woto also do two machines, steel and aluminium.

Nobody likes cold beans Danno! :-)

@@norsvanacolin Well... I like cold 'pork&beans'☺ even put mine in the refrigerator

Yes, Aluminium and Steel, Betag and Woyo all use the same output cables. You can get more info here: www.WoodpeckerUk.co.uk/cables

Did you try change the head. woyo betag head and betag woyo head. Did you try and see diferenc.

Hi Abolfazi, which items are you needing prices for and which country would they need shipping to as that will make a difference on which Web site I direct you to to find the most appropriate supplier.

@@ColinWoodpeckerUK sir i want woyo 007 im from Iran, plz guide me to buy

I do not sell the Woyo machines, and not certain what platforms you have available in Iran. My best advice is to try to search Google for Woyo 007. Here in UK and EU, they are available from Ebay sellers, alibaba and amazon, amongst others. Since Brexit, it has become much more difficult to export from the UK, so you would be better looking for a platform that is easy to buy from Iran. TDNTools.co.uk sell and ship my products worldwide, but they don't stock the Woyo machines. My Web site is woodpeckeruk.co.uk but again, I don't stock the Woyo and during hail season, it is not possible for me to service customers outside the UK due to the work involved in shipping these days. Hope that helps and good luck. 👍

Hahaha, Thanks Martin, only realised the other day that this hadn't been published, I did it years ago! :-/

Wow! Well, thats not an easy one to answer. I have no idea of your skill set and everyone is different in both their life experience and in their learning experience. I know that TDNgroup.co.uk here in the UK do some very good training courses. As a "Rule of thumb" if you don't currently know the answer to your own question, I'd say you need to get some quality training. One thing I do truly believe in, is that researching/paying for top quality training, will pay you dividends in the future by ensuring you can do better work faster. I wish you well and hope you find the right way forward. 👍

Hi, I have not had a 1380w machine to test, so it would be wrong of me to give an opinion beyond "If the power available is delivered accurately and in a properly measured way, over an area similar to or smaller than the 1000w machine, then the larger machine should work better, but in the wrong hands, it would mess up faster too!" Hope that helps you out. 👍

@@ColinWoodpeckerUKthanks a lot

Merci pour ton commentaire Daniel et oui, il est vrai que quiconque porte un stimulateur cardiaque doit éviter la proximité immédiate de tout appareil émettant des rayonnements électromagnétiques. Pardon my lack of French, I have used Google to translate the above, which in English is: Thank you for your comment Daniel and yes, it is true that anybody who has a pacemaker fitted should avoid close proximity to any device emitting electromagnetic radiation.

@@ColinWoodpeckerUK I have been watching a few videos about PDR HotBox and Woyo (I just bought one) and this guy is in all the comment sections copy-pasting the same thing over and over. He must have bought one and not done any research on it and now is going around the internet repeating the same thing over and over. Wait until he learns about microwaves and inducton cookers. 😁

@@makpsv 🤣 Priceless! Beware, they are amongst us! 😳

Hi Glenn, thanks for your comment. the aim of that video was purely to give people an idea of the differences between the two machines so they can make more informed decisions when purchasing. I am no video guru and without the help of my own son, Chris, I wouldn't have managed to get that up there at all! (Read; old men and modern technology if you like!) ;-) while I do manufacture and sell the various accessories for both these machines, my main source of income is from repairing Hail damage over in Europe, but as I usually work on small gigs alone, I very rarely have the opportunity to film me actually using my Hotbox. Each time I try, i either can't see my work properly so don't make a good enough job to show what it can do, or if I get to where I can see my work, holding the camera while using a HeatSabre and a blending hammer isn't easy, unless you're an octopus! I should invest in a device for holding my phone so I can do so, but I keep telling myself I'll do that "Tomorrow..." :-/ As regards burning the paint, my best advice is practice. First learn to heat a panel up and keep testing the surface temperature with your hand. If you can touch it for 2 seconds, it's not hot too hot, if your skin starts to smoke and fall away from your fingers, it's probably too hot! (Don't try this at home) Sounds stupid, but after several hundred times, you will get a 'feel' for how much is enough and how much is too much. I always used to heat, then touch, to check temp, but now I never have to. I just 'know', if you understand? It's a bit like driving a car into a bend, even without a speedometer, you may get it a bit wrong when you are new to driving, but after a while, you just know and it's all fine. If you 'overcook' it, it all goes horribly wrong! Good luck with your son, hope he 'gets it' and does well for himself.

Yes, I agree. When I get chance I will do. Just need to find a willing cameraman while I have suitable work as my camera skills aren't great! 😊

Yes of course it does! As, I'm sure all the techs who have further invested in my various cables and HeatSabres would no doubt testify. People wouldn't invest in accessories for a tool they can't use!? 🤔

Unless you are prepared to open it up and take the wire cutters to that little buzzer, no. If you do though, you must beware that it will invalidate your warranty and tbh, I found that after a while, I don't even notice it. For those new to its use, I think the beep while actually operating is a good thing as it is all too easy to press that button and if there is no other warning, you may find yourself in trouble. My advice is to get used to it and let it beep. 🤔

Colin Wood thanks for your reply. I just noticed they’ve created an upgraded version that has an option to adjust the volume or even completely eliminate the beeping.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. I'm sure some prospective purchasers would value that feature. 👍

Pick it up and smash the entire box repeatedly on the concrete floor. Worked for me.

Hi, can you make what at home? - an Induction dent machine? Or can you repair a dent at home? 🤔

Colin Wood Can we make a similar to Woyo device at home...? Like somebody makes a spotter from microwave, etc.

@@hotgega That isn't something I can answer individually. I have no doubt that there may be some individuals out there that have the skills,, knowledge and inclination to make one themselves, but I'd say that the relatively small cost of the Woyo makes it a pointless exercise unless you were doing it as a pastime, to prove to yourself that you could do it! Myself, even if I had the skills,knowledge and materials to make one, I think the time it would take would make me think that I have way more important things to do than that tbh! 😊

Hi, if you mean which machine is better to do the job, like I say in the video, they are both good value for money, but given that the Betag is 3 times the price, I'd say you should expect the Betag machine to be better at taking dents out. If you understand the science behind why these machines help us remove a dent and by that I mean the various displays of physics in action that are happening every time we press the button, you will understand why I say that, given the facts I show in the video. Hope that makes sense as I think each machine has its customer and I don't want to dis the cheaper machine as for some people, it is enough and great value for money. The Betag definitely has the ability to be better at what ot does.

Hi Keith, no, I've not had the opportunity to even see one for real yet. Someone from Canada called me last week saying he had the new version and we discussed it but as he hadn't used the old one couldn't comment on if this was any better. I know the stated output is the same and I also know that the new version comes with a heat pen which doesn't have a 'V' sight, so on the one hand it removes the ability to see what is happening directly below the heat pen but on the other, it could possibly be a better design that concentrates the power. Unfortunately I dont know if that is the case, it's just supposition.

Hi Emiero, Several people have said that they do use a Woyo with a Betag heat pen attached, but as I know the electrical signals passed between the machine and the head are different for the two manufacturers, it is not something I would recommend as I don't know what long term damage may be caused to either the machine or the head. It is this exact reason why I produce the 2 different versions of the HeatSabre so as the button on the HeatSabre gives the machine the exact same signal that the original heat pen would do which ensures your machine doesn't even know it is fitted. If you are having trouble with the button on your Woyo heat pen, a HeatSabre will replace the button. The operation button on the heads of both machines are redundant when using a HeatSabre. Hope that helps you. 👍

Thank you Toshiharu, I do think that even with the huge price difference between the two machines, they are both equally good value for money. Good luck with it, it is a learning curve but you will get there if you put the effort in. 👍👍👍

Hows the machine after 2months?

Hi, if you could get in touch with your contact details (find my contact details via my web site or by facebook), I will see if I can find you a reputable technician in your area. Thanks, Colin Wood Woodpecker UK Ltd www.woodpecker.name

Hi Jamie, thanks for your comment. Can I ask that you watch the video again properly as you will find at around 2:52 and at around 3:47 I cover that exact point. Sorry to hear you have had issues with your input cable. Personally, if that were mine, I would just replace it myself or even fit a kettle lead and chassis sock e t if that is a concern to you. That would also give you the option to have a different kettle lead depending on the country of use. Hope that helps. ;-)

That's a very subjective question. If you are referring to the largest potential surface area of a dent which can be repaired with the help of an induction heating system, then that would be huge, but if you are asking more can I buy one of these and not bother with bars or glue, then I think you will be bitterly disappointed. It's another very useful tool in the huge range of products needed to keep a professional PDR technician at the top of his game. I think we currently only know a small portion of the abilities of these machines and in years to come, every tech will have one of these pretty much the same as what happened with the advent of Glue systems back 10-15 years ago.

Apologies, but I have no idea what that means, nor can I copy and paste it into a translator! But Thank you for watching. 😊

@@ColinWoodpeckerUK I wrote you a great test! I'm trying to collect something similar to these devices! Waiting for raises, but there are no settings!)))

He is 100% right though about the woyo heating too great of an area at one time which makes it much less efficient and increasing the chances of burning the paint. I actually just came inside from training my 16 year old son on the woyo on a damaged rear van door that must be replaced anyway and he worked the area too long and the paint ended up burning.

@@glennmagera3498 I think you got that wrong, the HotBox heats a small area pretty fast and it will burn the paint quicker than the Woyo. As you can see in the video when the HotBox burnt the tape on the first try while it took 3 times for the Woyo to cause the same damage. He said it in the video: 08:32

If I don't car about the paint so much the reshaping of the body from its dent state should the hotbox be a better choice

Not sure to be honest, not even sure where to buy one from, but I think they are somewhere around the £400-£500 mark, which is around 1/3 the price of a Betag machine.

I got one and it never worked on any dents

Hi, I have tested the electronics in both units and as the Betag unit takes different signals from the heat pen than does the Woyo, to enable their operation, I was unwilling to actually try one head on the other machine for fear of causing damage to either the head or the base unit. The Betag unit I tested was my own and the Woyo was kindly loaned to me for the purpose of testing the differences between the two machines by a respected local colleague. Once I identified the signals passing between base unit and head on both machines, there were differences clearly evident between the two machines that were significant enough for me to make a completely new range of HeatSabres for the Woyo as I wouldn't risk recommending the use of a Woyo HeatSabre on a Betag Machine and vice-versa. In my opinion, the price of either machine is more than the potential benefit of knowing if one head will work on the other! The output cables I produce, however are completely interchangeable between Steel and Aluminium HotBox variants and also between Betag and Woyo machines without any problems or reduction in output.

junaid dingankar Yes, there are several places where you can buy from but I bought mine from www.velocitypdr.com/tool-shop/ Hope that helps. 😊

Colin Wood, Thanks