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My issue with the kyber crystal bleeding was that it made no sense in the acolyte, lightsabers are delicate and I’d think having a massive part of the kyber crystal exposed would make it unusable or at the very least explode. Also Jedi survivors is cannon

Didnt George Lucas treat Legends the same way when he was making the clone wars? Like, he was willing to acknowledge the existence of some of these Legends characters, but he didn’t bother to be fully constrained to who they were as characters. These books were just one interpretation of who they were. You can dislike that method, sure. But this isn’t just a Dave thing, it’s a George thing.

It annoys me how when they do 'adapt' something (ship, place, person) from the EU they change aspects that didn't even need to be changed. Feels like they don't care and just want brownie points for 'X is canon now omfg.' They should just make something new inspired by the old or respectfully adapt the work of their predecessors. What also really sucks is that the old legends stuff doesn't get any spotlight, nothing new is made for it (On purpose). If I want to see a place or species from legends depicted I am out of luck if nothing was made before 2012, that or I await the slim possibility that a canon adaptation that is different anyways comes.

im not a fan of rebels even so ashoka should have died at the hand of vader on malakor and stayed dead.

In Legends, many stories told different perspectives of the same events. However, the event played out - more or less - the same in each iteration. It is just different with how the characters themselves perceive them. That added enough to justify the new story. However, it kept consistent. If we take Dave's take on Ahsoka in Order 66, depicted twice in the Disney Canon, it isn't the same event depicted via different perspectives; they are two totally different events. Ahsoka being on Mandalore itself with Maul trapped in a ray shield with Rex having removed his chip prior to the execution of the order is QUITE different & VERY contradictory. If the book had focused purely on Ahsoka's perspective, maybe the show could have shown Rex & Maul's perspective to add greater depth to the scene. Again, Legends material did that same thing without overly contradicting itself, more often than not. Just flat out retelling events without consulting original artists & rendering their entries to the saga obselete for no good reason... yeah, Filoni has to stop. He most likely won't. But he should.

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I hate Dave Filoni

I just hate Filoni and his minions.

So I understand all of your points and agree with most of them. And yet, I think I’ll have to side with Filoni on this one on something of a business-minded decision. When Star Wars was exclusively written or overseen by its creator, then absolutely he gets final say on what is or isn’t canon. But Star Wars is now owned by a major corporation, overseen by several different people who were not there at its creation, and has, at this point, hundreds of different creatives writing for it, all of whom’s perspectives and creative decisions are equally valid. Star Wars has become so expansive, asking everyone who writes for the franchise to be familiar with all of its work will greatly limit the number of people who are interested in getting involved. And putting one person or a small team in charge of maintaining continuity across all of its various ongoing projects is also untenable; they will have to grow to keep up with everything that’s being made at once, resulting with greater challenges within the continuity team, and for any inconsistency found in modern Star Wars, that continuity team will be hanged by the fandom for their lack of integrity. No, as much as I’d love for Star Wars to continue to feel like a single, unified vision, all hope of that died when a mega corporation bought the rights to create endless amounts of content for it. Filoni is a man who loves Star Wars surviving a world without George Lucas. This is the only way forward.

nobody is infalable sadly many don't see their own flaws and people capable of great things are often let down by their own inability to self reflect.

this man is killing star wars… im so afraid of ahsoka season 2. apparently theyre bringing obi wan back for live action mortis. can dave go mess up some other franchise

Ya I agree, you can like something and still recognize it's trash or mediocre

I greet wholeheartedly with you that the lack of continuity of modern star wars damages it, I’d argue that a lack of clear continuity can work when executed correctly. The Elder Scrolls is a great example of this, massive chunks of the lore have multiple opposing accounts, even what the Tsaesci race looks like is frequently contradicted, in ESO alone theres a veteran who refers to them as snakes, theres the ghost of Beloren Kaie, whos ghost is human, theres a burial mask that looks very non human, mysterious akavir claims the Tsaesci ate the akaviri humans, which would prevent Tsaesci from being human, yet they are clearly human on Alduin’s wall yet all this improves the lore, it promotes discussion between fans rather than detracting from the world edit: I only just realised this is a very small channel, the video is well made.

He mess up so many times on the clone wars

Just as a reminder there was a point in The Clone Wars where Anakin talks to an apparition/ghost of Schmi, where the original script had him saying that he'd met someone and he'd like her to meet her, where Sam Witwer had to correct the staff pointing out that Scmi and Padme had already met in Episode 1.

During the development of The Clone Wars in one of the featurettes he likened the EU stories to "scribbled on paper"

*Disney cannot allow moral complexity in its characters. Anything that escapes the *rule* is eventually course corrected if it happens to achieve greater popularity. This is to maximise merch potential to families-the target demographic Disney always ruthlessly pursues. Andor is not an exception, it will be soften if it is allowed continue for long, which is a big if. Skeleton crew is far more in line with what Disney wants Star Wars to be..'the goonies but in space'. So expect more of that and tedious virtue signalling shows with themes/commentary on comtemporary american issues. *Star Wars is also a nostalgia driven brand according to Disney. It cannot evolve. Legacy characters will be dredged up ad infinitum in every spin-off possible. Can't wait for that millionth Darth Vader cameo...... *Between the two points above, Star Wars is and will always be doomed under Disney direction.

Dave's body language just screams self centered. The way his eyes constantly shift around, almost always avoiding meaningful eye contact with whoever he's talking to. Like he feels guilty about a lie he's telling but so far everyone's buying it so best not to look at them.

I feel like the problem might be that Filoni and Disney as a whole use "The rule of cool" that Halo lore is good with in (Or was, depending on your opinion) entirely the wrong way.

Wow 🤯 I totally disagree

Filoni is an example of "you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain" To me it seems like he doesn't even like Star Wars in general - he just like the Star Wars the HE created. And he can't stop glazing over Ahsoka

And as a bonus commentary: probably the best path forward once Disney bought the property would have been to do a super fanboy/fangirl sequel trilogy with the legacy characters…. That would’ve probably produced the least amount of negativity from fans who had their own idea ideas about how it should’ve unfolded…… and proceeded to make the old republic and/or 1000 years into the future. Have no more entanglement with legacy characters and create fresh new stories that’s only anchor was the force. We still would’ve had to deal with the present day “culture warriors” but we are going to deal with them for at least another generation. Eventually the WASP cultural influence and expectations will die away as the world continues to become more diverse. Because there is no doubt that Star Wars has become proxy war for the culture wars. It hides behind faceless avatars/handles that claim the only thing wrong with Star Wars is “poor writing”. The acolyte is most definitely the best indicator for this. The show was trashed immediately when the showrunner sexuality was discovered and the color of the lead characters was made known. The cherry on top was that the show was review bombed 10 minutes into the first episode. These are just historical facts that we all lived through. But there will be thousands of people who try to rationalize this all the way. They will gaslight us about what really happened. It’s a shame that the narrative of Star Wars is currently being driven by a very vocal minority.

Star Wars has not lost it’s way, the fans have. There’s simply wasn’t going to be a good way to handle the legacy characters. I was there in 1977 as a seven year-old boy standing in line to see Star Wars when it first came out and later it’s sequels. The hours upon hours of time we spent in the neighborhood playing our favorite characters or playing with the action figures is uncountable. The same can be said for those who came after me. We acted out and developed exactly how we thought. These characters would be after return of the Jedi. Characters such as Boba Fett, who had very little screen time or lines…… we all projected onto him exactly what we thought about. Bounty hunters should be. That is why you were never going to please people when you put the final touches on these legacy characters. Every choice was going to alienate a certain segment of the fan base. If the prequel taught us anything, it’s that the original fans were never going to accept new storylines but kids who grew up with the prequels like we grew up with the original, absolutely love it. And guess what? Those kids that grow up watching the sequel trilogy will love it in a way that the original and prequel trilogy fans can’t understand. And it doesn’t help that you add to this mix that the country is rapidly changing to a much more diverse society than ever before. Star Wars is now being used as a proxy war for the culture wars. All of this creates the perfect environment for such divisiveness and hatred for what Star Wars is becoming. A reflection of a new generation and how they see and want to see their hero’s journey. In just a little FYI, for those of you who were not around when the originals came out. The same folks who claimed that if you played rock ‘n’ roll backwards, you could hear demonic messages…… they absolutely eviscerated the original trilogy. That’s all you heard from that generations “culture warriors”. Some of you will read that and you just cannot simply comprehend that that was even a thing to contend with. Because you’ve grown up in a different world, just like the kids of today are growing up in a different world with different expectations. Star Wars is amazing. While there are definitely parts that I like more than others, I can wholeheartedly say that I love the entire franchise.

"Grifters?"Seriously? I honestly wish I could say they were hating on Star Wars for no good reason. I can't. Obviously, you haven't heard what they have to say. Many of them WANT a good Star Wars, not agenda-driven, nepotistic propaganda like "Acolyte." Even if you took all that nonsense out of Disney's trash, you'd be left with poorly written scripts, lousy direction, and poor acting. And in "Acolyte's" case, you have some "creators" who have never even seen a Star Wars movie. These warped incarnations have nothing that made the originals great. Great stories, characters, acting, good vs evil, a chance to escape the nonsense of the outside world for a few hours, something for the whole family, and a lot more that Disney either can't understand or doesn't want to. Don't blame the "Grifters." Disney has no one to blame but themselves. They were handed the Golden Goose and couldn't wait to kill it.

Having Mundi and the Sith bleeding crystals is just stupid and ruins even the current lore. The entire notion of what they do now to make red sabers is ridiculously

The thing that pisses me of is how Disney bought SW killed all the Expanded Universe and did worse versions of everything. There's nothing on Disney SW that i remotely find decent.

Yeah pretty much

Filoni disappoints me

And Disney apologists and haters still shame fans for caring about a franchise and universe they grew up with and loved. Still blows my mind the shame and shade thrown on people online for calling a spade a spade.

they need to go back and look at what made the first two seasons of mandalorian so good - that they were wholly their own thing, focused on a single character and watching him progress and go through arcs it wasn't anything too grandiose originally, there were little to no cameos, a small cast of familiar faces that you'd see pop in now and then sure, but there was no massive overarching story that mando would've been second fiddle to by making it so cluttered, connecting it to all these other series and having cameo after cameo it just makes everything feel so small. i do think that this is a general issue for star wars though, it's not something recent - look at all those ewok movies and shows and how they were flop after flop. dare i mention the christmas special? no, i feel as if star wars works best when it's made by a group of people working together on a single project and ensuring that it is cohesive and consistent i know about both of the clone wars series, but by the wider audience they were mostly seen as shows for kids (that being because they were, no hate towards them ofc, they are still very good and maturer than most shows being made at that time). season 1 of mandalorian was a stark contrast to all of these, it was immensely popular and incredibly culturally relevant, search trends for the franchise spiked up to the heights of when the sequels were being released

Dave is a goof

While I get where you are coming from, I do think that Filoni's perspective here isn't as incorrect as you may think, and thats particularly BECAUSE he isn't Lucas and isn't the owner of the franchise. Stan Lee used to have a quote that continuity should be a fence, not a chain, the main point being that if a story is good enough it deserves writing even if little details don't make sense (this is why Marvel used to have the no-prize for people who explained continuity mistakes) but there are some boundaries which a writer shouldn't pass. I don't follow even just the Disney Star Wars cannon that closely, but if they have directly contradicted major plot points of the books, then I would agree that they have crossed that boundary. However, the reason Stan Lee and Dave Filoni both have this more lose adherence to continuity is partly because both of them were writing and coordinating projects with many different writers, at different times, trying to take the same characters and settings and do new things with them. Some stories still are worth telling even if the minor details are off, being able to bend the rules a bit is what allows the property to stay fresh and new, because new writers can write what they want with some minor guidelines as to what has already occured. When you look at someone like Tolkien, since he is a singular writer with a singular vision I would expect that the continuity ties out fairly well, because he knows what emotional beats he wants, and can ensure a singular, timeless vision going forward. The issue here is Star Wars does have a singular vision that I think will be timeless - the original 6 movies that Lucas made. Everything else has (in-part if not in-whole) been the vision of other artists/teams with other intentions and other visions which is why continuity has to be flexible, otherwise some stories just couldn't ever be told. All that to say, since the video doesn't point out specific examples its hard to know how critical the contested plot points are, so this shouldn't be seen as a defense of any particular change; rather this is just a reminder that all franchises with different writing teams will need to have a flexible continuity, else the story gets strangled by the weight of its own history. Franchise stories are full of additions that broke continuity, but are overall considered better stories than the original. (Green Arrow originally didn't have Shado as a mentor, that was an addition by Mike Grell in 1987 Spiderman's black costume was originally just a new suit made by an alien computer, not a symbiote, The Quintessions weren't originally the builders of the Transformers, they were natural products of evolution, The Elves of Rivendell originally were far less serious in the Hobbit than in LOTR, since the Hobbit was before Tolkien solidified what the overall tone would be.)

I can't really blame fans for being confused over the continunity when disney's new continunity trips over it's self on a regular basis, it's not uncommon across the games, comics and shows to have what is now " legends " continunity and rules slip in - kyber crystals being the most common example as writers it often flip flops between the way they worked in legends and the way they work in disney canon. Lore channels tiktoks & YT shorts also don't help the matter - not really marking " this is canon " or " this is legends " which only sows more confusion in the casual audience, the average fan might say " Mace windu got his purple kyber crystal from rock people " because they saw it on a yt short and believe it's still canon whereas disney canon says otherwise

Sure different perspectives on the same story can be neat, but there is a difference between a different perspective, and two stories contradicting each other while both remaining true.

I use to look up to Filoni because of the clone wars,but after Ashoka, I realized what he truly is capable of when alone.

In any way I will always still be here, waiting for it to get better

5:48 exact same problems? Did you even keep up with the EU?

Kyber crystal bleeding contradicted its own canon and movies. We all watched episode 3. Episode 3 is not legends. Although with the way disney is going it probably will be some day

you have vocal fry that sounds annoying to no end

You can't just blame Dave for his tampering of the clone wars Era pre disney as Lucas himself wasn't happy nor interested in a ton of the legends material being made and Lucas himself has called the 2d clone wars show which is now legends a pilot to the 3d one

While the last Jedi and the rise of sky walker were bad, I still had hope for Disney Star Wars, the clone wars season7 and Mando season 1&2 were solid. Obi wan was the final nail in the coffin. Awful show.

Honestly Dave feels like he's a child playing with his lego star wars figures. there are times when he makes amazing stories, actions, twists, but after all he is the one playing. he can change, rewrite, revive, anything he wants. He clearly has favorite figures, he wants to play with the most. And even if the character met a tragic but heroic death, he cannot let them go because he still wants to play with them again.

Ahsoka should have died in Order 66. It would have made the finale hit harder with someone we grew up with as fans, only to die during this order.

yeah ok it was Dave Filoni, it definitely wasn't the man himself George Lucas...

Dave did alot of good things i wouldn't go that far and say he ruined star wars that just not true at all yes he's rough around the edges it would do good for him to hire better people for different projects instead of doing it himself.

I agree with what you're saying, but are we really including the dumpster fire that is Way of Water, or just Avatar in general in this idea of "promising franchises with passion and care put behind them"? Avatar 1 was fine, but ultimately did nothing except tell a very simple story that had a lot of missed potential to do some good worldbuilding. Way of Water just leaned further into that but told an absolutely shit story that also added worst worldbuilding elements than the first.

So you don't like some culture warriors? (The Grifters you mentioned?)

One has to love when a content creator represents the bottom half of the mental gymnastics meme by disassociating themselves against the "anti woke" crowd as if that'll help them from being called fascist, ist, or whatever made up phobia leftist stuck in echo chambers have made up in current year, we can both agree that satr wars has greatly declined, The only difference is that you can't accept that the main problem starts with 'w' and ends in 'e', why is that?

Hiring people with little experience (Lesbos Headcase) or hiring f*cking dummies (JJ/Ruin Johnson) does not equate to lots of money.

I have nothing but apathy it’s not dead as I’m reading EU books just read the thrawn trillogy and had a good time with it and I’ve really taken to Mara Jade skywalker