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Never fully got the chance to get into Klein. I’ve read Love, Guilt and Reparations which I found very insightful. But Lacan has been my primary focus for the past 2 years or so. I definitely want to properly familiarize myself with her work. I keep hearing her name pop up from the analysts and people I’ve met so far. Leukaemia analysis however, that I know nothing about 😂

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Traditionally, the content discussed in an analytic session should remain confidential, shared only between the analyst and the analysand. However, much like analysis itself, each recollection of an experience can bring new insights and oracular revelations. With every retelling-whether on UA-cam or to a friend-one has the opportunity to re-historicize their own experiences. To address your question more directly, it may involve a willingness to let certain aspects of the analysis ‘die,’ allowing one to step beyond the confines of the analysis itself.

Brilliant! I think you’ve answered your own question!

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Thank you!

Amazing! How are you finding the read so far?

@@LacanofWorms both writers are clearly delighted to be having the conversation at all. Since I'm new to the whole scene I don't have much in the way of reference between Klein and Lacan when their fans meet on the mean streets late on a Friday night but the tone they both have is being gobsmacked at just how easy it is to relate the two thinkers. The surprise itself really comes across. I'm going to walk away with the ability to approach an arbitrary kleinien article or lecture with my Lacanian chops still being at least somewhat applicable in translating to something I'm more comfortable with

@@LacanofWorms they start with subjectivity ch 1

Clinically or theoretically?

@@LacanofWorms both. Point me in the right direction please

Brilliant question. When the patient has reached a point of discomfort, the Lacanian analyst - as opposed to a traditional analyst - does not offer immediate interpretation but encourages the patient to “go on”, “continue” to “say more”. The patient in some sense, has the responsibility of interpreting their own speech through the unraveling of their signifying chain. The role of the analyst is simply to bring the patient to this space.

@@LacanofWorms I see. Thanks for answering. I imagine Lacanian psychoanalysis to be extremely frustrating! I am training in the Kleinian framework which is more common in the UK where one of the main interventions is interpretation of transference.

Thank you! Didn’t know smurfs were interested in psychoanalysis

@@LacanofWorms they are indeed 😂

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Wasn’t expecting that tbh 😂 you caught me off guard. The rough translation is “Father-Falcon” or Father of the Falcon. It’s a last name that’s native to Lebanon. Didn’t realise my name popped up thanks for letting me know! Cheers

@@LacanofWorms Like I said, sorry to be intrusive. Just thought it was cool-ya know? Haw haw... my name, Daly,, means "one who is present at assemblies," which while unwieldy, is the same as Qoholeth / Ecclesiates

Amazing. Well thank you Daly for being present to this assembly!

Not sure if I mentioned it in the video but it’s called - complicated.life

Parts therapy have you looked into that.

@@Kaa864 I don't believe in that stuff

Literally 😂

@@alanbeirut3702yup realised that after making the video haha. $75 CAD per session

I agree, the fee is a problem. It is possible to do analysis for free, but the common worry about providing analysis for free is that the analysand will quit the moment the really difficult work starts to come up. The idea is they quit because they haven’t invested anything. I have seen it happen myself, so that’s the argument for demanding payment. But there is no doubt payment also has its contradictions. There are some analysts who argue that requiring payment is counter-transferential “resistance” on the part of the analyst! There are definitely paths to finding free or cheap analysis, it’s a big world, but one always wonders if you always “get what you pay for” or if rather analysis can be done outside of transactional motivations… its a question we have to work on!

None of the big names posting in this space seem to show dialogue with some tension like this

Haven’t uploaded the full talk yet - just am extracted clip as of now

Thank you! Hugs from Canada!

Absolutely. I definitely think these walls of “Should and Shouldn’t’s” in analysis lose there potency as the relationship between analysand and analyst grows. Some analyst may entertain theory, some may use it as a means to investigate the subject further and some may reply with silence. At the end, the gaze you directed on the analyst via the discourse gets redirected back onto you, you are then responsible of looking at what you have left in the silence - unsaid or said.

Great ending btw

That’s a very good idea! 📝📝

I will respond to other parts of the video when I have time. Because it would be fun for me to set some of these concepts in writing and maybe also to generate dialogue with you and others.

Brilliant! Although I didn’t know of the Lacanian reasons as to why self-analysis would be impossible, I had a hunch from what I’ve read and my personal experience with analysis. The relationship between the analyst and analysand is crucial and I can’t think of a way in which analysis could ever occur if the discourse between the two doesn’t exist. I’d love for you to keep going if you want and if you are able to provide references (especially on the shape of the unconscious being that of a Möbius strip).

@@LacanofWorms well, for you it’s a little bit different because you are already in analysis and in transference with an analyst, your analysis doesn’t stop when you leave the session.

@@LacanofWorms previously the unconscious was thought to be a sort of iceberg “inside” the individual just waiting to be discovered by the analyst making the unconscious conscious. Through the model of the möbius strip, Lacan eliminates the inside/outside dichotomy. The unconscious, structured as a language, does not reside inside the person, it’s something that happens in relationship or inmixion of the Other through “languaging”.

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I find that the great thing and probably the most important factor of "traditional therapy" is its direct and hands-on approach. You are provided with practical solutions to your problems or at least an approach to solving them, via behavior analysis or other practical means. One thing that made me choose psychoanalysis over traditional therapy was the opportunity to free-associate without having what I say be taken literally. To be able to blurt out absolutely everything that comes to mind, no matter how "inappropriate" or taboo it may be. Also, the nature of transference between the analyst and analysand. The role of the analyst is crucial within psychoanalysis, and it is important for me, at least, that the person I am speaking to in the therapeutic setting does not assume a parental, amicable, or authoritarian position. I previously had CBT therapy back when I was in high school, and although it helped me back then, I really disliked the biological reductionism within the approach, and I did not want to be prescribed medication. However, to play devil's advocate, when I had my CBT sessions, I was in a state where I felt overwhelmed by my thoughts and would have constant panic attacks. In some sense, "thinking" or "analyzing" was of no use - I needed a practical solution, not a "theoretical" one. At the end of the day, both forms of therapy are just that, forms of therapy. When I started my analysis a little bit over a year ago, I did not find myself suffering from any habitual or behavioral patterns that I found haunting me. Socially, I was doing what I was supposed to do: "being a good student," "having a good job," "having good relationships with the people around me." But yet I still found myself primarily feeling shame, guilt, and low confidence. I knew that these feelings were associated with some elements of my upbringing and my sexual nature. I was also very interested in Lacanian analysis at the time and had been reading psychoanalytic literature for four years at that point, so that no doubt played a role.

yes, that's nietzsche's atheism for ya

Great point

Thank you!

Glad to hear that🙌

Thank you for your clarification. I have been trying to learn Nietzsche with some colleagues the past few months - would you be able to refer me to some of the passages where Nietzsche discusses judgement. I’d greatly appreciate it. As for the session, given the context of what was being said perhaps the goal was not for the analyst to quote Nietzsche with a full understanding of his concepts, what was important was that the concept of how the “big other” does not exist (in this case God/the reification of our existence in an Other ) was expressed within the discourse and how it is not an entity which is the locus of truth, judgement and being for the subject to base his existence on.

@@LacanofWorms I would love to refer you. Outside of the published literature, the unpublished works are just now being put into English and into print. The secondary literature can be helpful as well, Sarah Kofman, Embden, Bertram, stand out for me. I will try and find some specific passages and come back and quote them as well. Nietzsche is difficult because he often contradicts himself, so there is some necessary interpretation needed to reach various versions of him. For example he recoils against metaphysics and yet often gets caught in a naturalistic metaphysic of power, etc. Or his politics is ripe with contradiction, and so on. This is where the secondary literature I listed is super helpful imo. All the best, I will go search for some of his thoughts about the value of judgement.

@@LacanofWorms are you familiar with Zizek's thoughts on God the father dying on the cross during Jesus's crucifixion? I quite like it. And it is very Nietzschean, I would add (he would probably say it is more Hegelian).

@@LacanofWorms I think Zizek would say that the big other exists precisely in/as alienation? Which is why he is often calling for more, not less alienation in society.

Simply sharing my thoughts of the analysis not the analysis itself.

“It rejects the presupposition of most therapeutic psychologies that there’s such a thing as a normal individual who can somehow be put back on the rails by some expert who plays the role of the Master of Knowledge” Simply beautifully put. This is exactly what I gathered from my sessions. It’s interesting to see how we as subjects or analysands demand such an authority to permit us to be.

@@LacanofWorms Lovely, thoughtful reply - thanks. Perhaps when we learn to be more sceptical about our demands,, we might become more able to tune into and follow our singular desires - the chief antidote to the tyranny of the superego in Lacan's work.

In 10 years I’ll still probably know fk all😂

At the moment it felt like the right idea. I was always interested in the theoretical concepts of psychoanalysis, the more I read, the more I wanted to get psychoanalysed. Last year I decided to finally reach out to an analyst, at that time I was interested in Lacan so I thought finding a Lacanian would probably help with my difficulties understanding his work. As to how I came by Lacan, I was having a very intense conversation with a close brother of mine who reads psychoanalytic literature with me on the nature of language and the unconscious. We so happened to stumbled upon Lacan’s famous quote that « the unconscious is structured like a language » and the rest is history. I am No way near understanding Lacan but I can say that I experientially learned a lot via my sessions which have indirectly facilitated my readings of his works.

@@LacanofWorms hey, thanks so much for your response. all you say makes a lot of sense to me from the standpoint of my own journey with lacan's thought. thanks for the video, it is wonderful to see such refreshingly open sharing, reinforces warmth for me in a world is in need of these days.

I am thinking about it a lot. I think it’s something I definitely have a strong interest in becoming. As an undergraduate of IT idk how I’ll bridge into the academic world of psychoanalysis tho haha!

@@LacanofWorms I think you have some options depending on where you are. The Toronto institute of psychoanalysis takes people with non clinical backgrounds I think. It's not lacanian though and would limit you to practicing in Ontario. I myself am a therapist in Montreal and am hoping to do training this fall. I don't know much about lacan, Bion and Freud are my interests right now, but I stumbled onto your site and thought it was cool!

The analysis is provided by a psychoanalyst not a psychologist.

@@LacanofWorms I see. I am currently trying to understand Lacan, and would like to learn more about Jung. But I am currently reading Zizek and I am trying to understand what he is talking about lol

Although Zizek uses Lacanian analysis a lot in his theory I wouldn’t recommend him as an introduction to Lacan. You can pick up Lacan’s Seminars as an introduction as well as secondary resources to get to know Lacan better. As for Jung, personally I find his primary texts much more accessible and easier to understand as opposed to Lacan. There is a very big difference between both psychoanalytic approaches - Jungian vs Lacan. But nonetheless a familiarisation of Freud is necessary for understanding both.

@karlbrown4078 I can agree with that. Reading his books seems unnecessarily vague and complex. I read Hegel was the same way and maybe Lacan as well.

@@LacanofWorms If I wanted to digest and get a better understand foundations of psychology relating to Jung, Lacan, and Freud, etc? Do you have any recommendations for a good overview that compares the concepts as well as more modern concepts from luminaries in the field? I'm not a scholar and know very little about psychology, but id like to expand my introspective worldview as someone who is a lifelong learner interested in science, political philosophy, and existence.