David B
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Tarot decks that lack a wow factor
This one is showing those decks that don't immediately impress. Some might describe them as ugly decks, but that isn't fair and it's subjective.
The Krebs deck is the perfect example, but it's a deck that reveals its charms slowly for some.
Please comment on whether you agree or disagree with my choices and offer suggestions as to why some decks seem to work better than others for you.
#jeannoblet
#tarotdemarseille
#tarot
#thothtarot
#sheridandouglastarot
#victorianromantictarot
#fournier
#spanishtarot
#piatnik
#krebstarot
#alistaircrowley
#rwstarot
#riderwaitetarot
0:00 Introduction
2:55 The Wow decks
8:32 The wonky decks
13:54 The Krebs deck
20:10 Closing remarks
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Відео

Visual Tarot reading versus traditional meanings
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A demonstration of using visual reading of the Tarot using the #ancientitaliandeck. This demonstrates the need to become familiar with all the imagery in your chosen deck and being led by instinct and knowledge. It also shows the need to be agile and flexible about layout and interpretation. #tarotdemarseille #tarot #divination #jeannoblet 0:00 Introduction 3:10 The Noblet reading 5:38 The visu...
Noblet Tarot and using your own observations
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A deeper exploration of the images and the artistic aspects of the Jean Noblet Tarot. There's a lot more to learn, but I wanted to do something more than a basic presentation or unboxing and try to encourage you to look closely at the cards and develop your relationship and understanding of the images. I will of course keep on learning about this deck and my opinions may change over time, but a...
Review of Anna Maria Morsucci's Tarot de Marseille book and deck for Lo Scarabeo.
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This is a more detailed look at and review of the 2018 book on the TdM and the later deck. Both of these are highly recommended and the deck is the current standard of restored Type 2 decks in my opinion. Apologies for the repetition. I had to record this twice and one part 3 times and I lost track a bit and couldn't be bothered to edit. #tarotdemarseille #loscarabeo #annamariamorsucci #morsucc...
Pierre Madenié 1709 Tarot de Marseille. Unboxing
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First opening and impressions of the oldest Type 2 Marseille deck. Created in Dijon in 1709. Commonly considered to be the finest and most beautiful carvings of any historical Marseille deck. Restored by Yves Reynaud in France as a limited edition run wrapped in a copy of the original paper. #pierremadenie #tarotunboxing #tarotdemarseille #facsimiledeck #historicaltarot
Spanish Tarot (Fournier)
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A first reaction to a new historical decks. This one is a Tarot de Marseille based deck created in the Piedmont/Lombardy regions of north western Italy. This was the Tarot Clásico of 1736 and is now printed by Fournier in northern Spain. The trumps are named in Spanish and English, but courts are in Spanish only. The majors are a mixture of type I and type II and also some unique features. #fou...
The Bohemian Gothic Tarot. 2nd edition 2010. Baba Studios
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A well liked deck judging by a recent Facebook live show and tell session. I don't read with this deck as it just isn't my thing. I only read one RWS deck these days as I've moved on and themed decks aren't my bag either. This deck would be perfect for Goths of course, but also for a Halloween party where, with the right atmosphere created, one could have a lot of fun using this with like minde...
An essential modern Tarot book.
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Tarot and Divination Cards. A visual archive. By Laetitia Barbier. Superb modern collection of tarot through the ages. A wonderful writer coming at tarot from the art historian angle. I cannot praise this book enough. I would say that this and Paul Huson's Mystical Origins of the Tarot are now practically definitive. Very heavy and excellent print quality. Available readily from the usual and p...
Comparing cardstock of some historical decks.
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Comparing card stock of La Scarabeo v Kris Hadar La Véritable Tarot de Marseille. #krishadar #véritabletarot #tarotdemarseille #cardstock
Classic Tarot unboxing.
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A Classic Tarot arrived yesterday. I had removed it from its packaging, but I wanted to save the first look so that I could share it here. This is my first UA-cam video and therefore might not be as slick and clear as it could be as I don't have any special microphones, lighting, or cameras; just my phone on a tripod. I'll give more detailed views on the deck once I've had a better look later. ...

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  • @FG-Marie
    @FG-Marie Місяць тому

    The Noblet and the Dodal they are my loving my favorites TDM all time especially those from JC Flornoy. Many thanks.🙏👍

  • @TyrannosaurusTroy
    @TyrannosaurusTroy Місяць тому

    Wonderful video! I subscribed. I also love the Krebs deck. Your observation about the relatively cruder images being less distracting is true for me as well. While the Ignaz Krebs engraver may not possess the mastery evident in the Noblet or Conver, he is nevertheless very skilled. Many of the Krebs characters are unforgettable. The cross-eyed Pope is the friendliest I've ever seen. The Hermit looks fabulous and very warm in his fur robe. Death looks like a pirate with that broken smile. The Besançon-style Moon card is one of my favorites. I agree that the cardstock is the best of any deck I've ever handled, and I also quite like the bright, vibrant red contrasting with the generally subdued colors. I wish Piatnik would produce more facsimile tarot decks like this. Finally, the pips are very clear and pleasing to look at, especially the cups and coins. The 7 of Coins has a unique arrangement that I've never seen in any other deck.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 Місяць тому

      @@TyrannosaurusTroy I agree with each observation on individual cards. It's a very lovable deck.

  • @FG-Marie
    @FG-Marie Місяць тому

    Love that❤❤❤🍀🍀🍀🍀

  • @FG-Marie
    @FG-Marie Місяць тому

    Again sooo sorry and « add « instead of « has » crrrrrr😭

  • @FG-Marie
    @FG-Marie Місяць тому

    Hello just discovered your Chanel and excellent vidéo and Shane. Many thanks 🙏❤👍👌

    • @FG-Marie
      @FG-Marie Місяць тому

      Sorry and share instead of Shane sorry 😝

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 Місяць тому

      @@FG-Marie Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @merlini1
    @merlini1 2 місяці тому

    Thank you. Interesting.

  • @shelbygivens1648
    @shelbygivens1648 2 місяці тому

    What an excellent video and a fantastic choice of decks for the topic. I have them all except the Sheridan Douglas , which has been on my wish list for a while. I'm glad the algorithm led me to your channel, David. I've subscribed and am eager to enjoy more of your content. It seems as though we very much see things very similarly. Thank you

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 2 місяці тому

      Oh that's lovely to hear. Thank you for the kind comments. Hope you enjoy my others. I'm getting a bit more used to the tech now.

  • @khan7459
    @khan7459 2 місяці тому

    I love the Krebs deck! It is my latest addition to my decks, and quickly became my favourite to read with. If a tuck box is too tight, I just put the extra (title) card out and in my "extra cards envelope". This one card less usually is enough to give the space in the box so I can put the deck in without problems. And I totally agree, it is so much easier to focus with the imperfect/ "clumsier art" decks, and I get very distracted with decks that are too beautiful. Which is why most of my decks aren't very beautiful from an artistical viewpoint.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 2 місяці тому

      That's a good tip to have an extra card envelope. I might try that. It's a relief to read that others are drawn to the clumsier deck. The Krebs, Noblet and Spanish Tarot are so charming.

  • @andreiadetavora8471
    @andreiadetavora8471 2 місяці тому

    Hi David! I had that issue before with my lovely "ugly" decks. I trully thought it was only me😅. They can be quite charming, can't they?! My favorite decks are actually "atipical" ones. I have divided them into "functions". They seem to have a spirit/voice of their own (I sound crazy... maybe I am?!). My "i have the house on fire, what deck will i take with me deck?" is the Casanova Tarot (by Lo Scarabeo). It's visually "spicy" (which I dislike), not a very stunningly artistic one at first sight, and it's a private one for sure. I can't read with it in public. Nor I can read it to anyone!! Never. But... It reads like a dream for me, specially regarding serious topics (professional/health/decision making/how to plan ahead questions)!!! I call it my counsellor deck. I trully love it. It's charming!! It has humour! It's lighthearted and fun. But it's also honest. Trully honest. It has helped me a lot! I always get very good insights, intuitive readings with it! That said, I adore Lo scarabeo , my favorite decks are from them. One of my precious, you've also shown on your collection. And i also have terrific readings with it: Ancient italian. But that's a pretty one for sure ;) Oh... we have similar tastes in some decks :) I also like Thoth. A very ignored by our tarot community, i think. It's a "pleasing to the eye" kind of deck. I enjoy the artwork. In 10:34 you have a very stern justice right there😁!! The facial expression is fantastic! It's a very relatable deck, i think. And i really love the spanish tarot. I think the colours work in the reading table! Great choices!! Kind regards!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 2 місяці тому

      Thank you for this detailed comment. It's so reassuring to find others that feel the same about specific decks for certain situations or people and also that it isn't just me who loves the sometimes ignored or underrated decks.

  • @khan7459
    @khan7459 2 місяці тому

    I'm so glad I found your review. That book has been on my list for a while, now I have to decide if I want it in Italian or English, both are not my native languages, but it might be a great opportunity to brush up my Italian, and at the same time avoid to learn the occasional misspelled English.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 2 місяці тому

      @@khan7459 thank you and I'm delighted it helped you. The English translation is excellent, but they have occasionally translated card names using the Rider Waite Smith titles, rather than the French titles, which is an odd choice. Apart from that, it's very well done. Your choice.

  • @melissenna
    @melissenna 3 місяці тому

    Yeah, the delamination of the box adds another level of character. Ooo, I love new layouts(spreads)!

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 3 місяці тому

    Hello David, another great video. It's great to see you at the beginning, it puts a face to a voice ! I didn't know at all this way of doing the 3-card draw, by drawing a card until you have a Triumph card, it's very interesting ! I also like how you sensitize between the graphic interpretation and the symbolic interpretation. And it's true that the Ancient Italian Tarot offers a refreshingly new visual interpretation !

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      Thank you for your feedback. I did get your newsletter by the way and I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts on Lenormand. I will reply to that specifically at some point. I do like this type of 3 card draw and I've had some very good readings with that spread and using the Ancient Italian which I'm still really enjoying. It's an easy deck to read for more experienced readers, with surprising depth. One has to adjust to some images that are non traditional though. Looking at that reading again, there are other ideas and impressions that I have discovered, but I cannot edit it now and I wanted to keep this video to a manageable length. I wanted to point out how that Devil looks at ("regards") the Hanged Man, because I think that is very significant and revealing in this reading. I also wanted to stress how that 10 of swords negatively impacted on the Ace of Cups and how one must see the cards in relationship to each other; not just isolated meanings.

  • @andreiadetavora8471
    @andreiadetavora8471 3 місяці тому

    You deserve more views. You content is brilliant!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      @@andreiadetavora8471 thank you so much. Your comment means a lot to me.

  • @andreiadetavora8471
    @andreiadetavora8471 3 місяці тому

    I'm learning now to read with the Tarocchi di Marsiglia. I've been reading cartomancy style and also with Thoth and R-W for more then 20 years. It's been fun. But I always struggled with the numerological association of R-W Smith, I like Thoth more. The beautiful thing about tarot is that we are constantly learning. Marsiglia is like having a free card to simply think outside the box! This was a terrific video! Very informative!!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      @@andreiadetavora8471 thank you for the lovely comment. I agree, learning never stops I'm constantly discovering new things and changing certain ways of reading.

  • @ericdodds4990
    @ericdodds4990 3 місяці тому

    Due to your video I bought the Spanish Tarot

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      @@ericdodds4990 I'm sure you'll enjoy it. A delight to read.

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 3 місяці тому

    Thank you, David, for this quite challenging exercise of discussing a tarot deck that one is discovering. I was very sensitive to some aspects of your feedback because it seems that you have a more developed artistic culture than mine, and I found it very interesting that you talked about Picasso, about cubism through the images, because I had never considered that aspect before. You spend quite some time with the Judgement card in your hands; have you noticed that the angel is cross-eyed? Similarly, the lion in the World card is also cross-eyed. Going back to the Judgement card, there are 4 angels in the Tarot de Marseille, including two celestial ones: the angel in the L'AMOUREUX card and the angel in the Judgement card. You'll notice that the eyes of the angel in L'AMOUREUX are covered with a blindfold, meaning he is blind and, therefore, does not control his desires or ambition; in short, he does not have a clear vision. On the contrary, the angel in Judgement is cross-eyed to show his ability to focus and direct his gaze towards a specific direction. He has true vision. I'm also not sure if you’ve noticed, regarding LE PENDU, that it is actually the representation of an embryo. Here, the trunks and the beam represent the uterine walls, and the rope represents the umbilical cord. Regarding the spelling of LE BATELEUR and TEMPÉRANCE, it seems to me that the spelling mistakes are intentional. The "L" in fact represents the builder's square, indicating that Jean Noblet was initiated by a master and that he himself is now a master. About the puddle of water at the woman's feet in LE SOLEIL card, I have the following understanding: to me, it is the crayfish from LA LUNE card that is now emerging from the water in the form of a woman, purified of its animal or alienated state. Psychologically speaking, this describes the integration of the shadow and the anima. As for the "h" in L'HERMITE, I don't believe it's a spelling error due to the lack of standardized French spelling at the time, although this is true since the Académie française was founded around 1650. The "h" appears, I believe, with the Madonnier Tarot in 1709. By then, French was indeed standardized, and for me, the "h" is an esoteric addition to evoke the god Hermes or Hermetic theories. On the card L'ETOILE, the woman’s back is indeed very particular. For me, it's the representation of a woman's torso and a man's back. It represents the integration of one’s masculine and feminine aspects, which directly appears in LE SOLEIL card. It’s also worth noting that the young woman with the jug placed near her lower abdomen indicates that she is losing her waters. Concerning the debate over whether the animal depicted in LA FORCE is a bear or a lion, I understand well that the illustrators of the time may have never seen a lion, so it's natural that most depictions of felines might have been clumsy. However, I do notice that in LE MONDE card, Jean Noblet did indeed give his lion pointed ears, showing that he was aware of this feline characteristic. So when he gives the animal in LA FORCE round ears, he is telling us that it is not a feline, supporting the bear theory. Naturally, there is the possibility that some cards were not engraved by Jean Noblet himself but by his apprentices or "compagnons". Personally, I wouldn't have accepted letting a "compagnon" or apprentice engrave one of the major trumps. I might have let them engrave the court cards or Pip cards, but not the major trumps. On the other hand, it’s true that the wooden molds had to be periodically replaced, possibly yearly, due to tax regulations. So perhaps out of weariness, the master craftsman allowed the "compagnon" or apprentices to engrave the major trumps. What you said about LE PAPE is very interesting. Indeed, the papal crosier is of a very ancient style. I believe Jean Noblet wanted to show here that his knowledge was not just contemporary, but that part of his wisdom came from much older sources, namely Antiquity. We all know that the Renaissance allowed the rediscovery of much knowledge from Antiquity, which had been lost during the Middle Ages. You rightly pointed out that some hands are much larger than others, and that it was likely intentional. For my part, I feel that Jean Noblet drew these hands as those of a master. By making the hands larger than normal, he wanted to convey that the character was mastering the object he was holding, thus mastering the action permitted by the object in his hand. Regarding the court cards, the Reine de Coupes has a huge plant sheaf behind her, which falls down in front of her. What we see is not a window but the end of a leaf or flower, which comes down to place in her hands a full cup. The full cup represents a cup containing a seed. The Valet de Deniers, who is the only card holding two representations of the suit, here Deniers, shows that he has just received a Denier, in fact a seed, and we are at the sowing stage, depicted in the ground. It seems to me that the vegetative cycle, starting with the seed and going all the way to the flower dispersing the seeds, is a very important aspect of the court cards. Naturally, all of this is just my personal interpretation of Jean Noblet's Tarot. I find it remarkable that you suggested looking at the court cards through the four categories: Valet, Roi, reine, Chevalier. It may seem obvious, but after watching your video, I realized how, when studying the tarot cards, I always put the four cards of the same suit in front of me, and I never studied the four Valets, four Rois, four Reines, and four Chevaliers at the same time. Now I see how much I’ve missed! I have a question. You often talk about the fine details of the characters' facial features, which is very true. Sometimes, I see faces that seem quite androgynous in Jean Noblet's Tarot, particularly the knights. I find that the Chevalier de Denier and the Chevalier d'épées have rather androgynous faces. What do you think?

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      @@tarotquestfr8692 so much interesting and thoughtful points you raise. I'll try and reply to some of them in a few days. Thank you.

    • @tarotquestfr8692
      @tarotquestfr8692 3 місяці тому

      @@Aceofwands688 Hello David, I made a mistake, the lion of the card THE WORLD at JEAN NOBLET does not have pointed ears, I confused with another tarot. However, his mane is well represented with zig-zags, which is not the case with the FORCE animal, although it would have been simple to do so. So there is room for doubt, I think.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      Hi David, I did a long reply to this and lost it all. Please bear with me and I shall try to answer your points again when I have the time, but for now, yes I agree about the feminine looking knights. The Ancient Italian has feminine looking pages. I don't know if thess are delinberately so or artistic stylistic tendencies of particular eras: mediaeval, renaissance and later?

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      Second attempt at answering your points: I was handling Judgement for too long as I talked too long about other matters. I have always noticed the cross-eyed angel and the lion in judgement and I had intended to mention that but I had an idea this also occurs in another deck, but I wasn't sure. I enjoyed your explanation of the puddle of water in Le Soleil. I hadn't thought of that. I think there is quite a lot of thought on the androgynous nature (possibly) of the star card. Again, very interesting. The discussion on the animals (Fool's companion and strength's beast) is open to debate. I feel that the Fool's animal is bit more cat-like in Noblet, but it may not be. Some have even said it's a hyena. That feels like a stretch of credibility! The Pope's crosier was only recently pointed out to me and I think it may give credence to the idea of a link to an older deck (now lost). We're always learning new things about the cards. I like your explanation of his deliberately large hands. His artistic ability is such that I doubt that any of his anomalies are due to error or lack of skill - apart from some differences in Wheel of Fortune, the World and the Devil card, that do look suspiciously like the hand of someone else. The idea of grouping the court cards by status, rather than suit came to me just before and I think it does give a nice perspective on the designs. I'm glad you liked that. I want to encourage people to really look at their cards and get to know them through study and play and arranging them in different ways. This was the inspiration for my next video on visual reading. Check it out and let me know if you have any other thoughts on my interpretation and method.

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 3 місяці тому

    Hello David, thank you for quoting me in your video. It's really very kind, because I don't consider myself a specialist in the Tarot of Marseille. I'm not a historian. About the type 1 and type 2 tarots, it was precisely the historian Thierry Depaulis who defined the classification type 1 and type 2. It would therefore be up to him to define whether the Jean Noblet tarot is type 1 or type 0. Personally I don't know if he did it, I don't have any information. What I can say is that the Jean Noblet tarot respects the criteria of type 1. However there is a fundamental difference, we always come back to the famous card of the XIX - LE SOLEIL with a man and a woman instead of 2 children. It is the only historical Tarot of Marseille that has this specificity. So it is perhaps up to each person to know if, because of the card LE SOLEIL, this tarot is type 1 or type 0, that is to say a prototype. Concerning the secret of the Tarot of Marseille. At the same time there is one, and there is not. The card LE MONDE tells us in essence that the ultimate achievement is not communion with God, or access to a form of paradise, but rather that the purpose of the spiritual journey is to be at the center of oneself. We can imagine how very subversive this was for the time. The French cardmaker masters had the great intelligence to use Judeo-Christian references so that their card games would not be banned by the Church. But even today, considering that the goal of a spiritual path is to find oneself at the center of oneself is something that is not yet obvious, even if modern psychology and personal development tends towards that. This may be one of the reasons why enthusiasts are hypnotized by tarot, because they perceive the novelty and relevance of this spirituality (without understanding it), but at the same time the deep truth still escapes them. I haven't finished watching your video, I'll continue tomorrow. More comments to follow!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 3 місяці тому

      A fascinating reply David. There is much in this which I can use and take forward in my study of this deck. I am very grateful for your insights here.

  • @jieyang8807
    @jieyang8807 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for your video, David. I ordered the book, a new edition, Tarot of Marseille: A Guide to Interpretation Anna Maria Morsucci , Antonella Aloi , Mattio Ottolini.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      @@jieyang8807 I'm pleased to read this. Enjoy. Let me know what you think.

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 4 місяці тому

    Thank you David for this new video, once again very interesting. Each time you convince me to buy a new tarot and here a new book, despite it being in English ^_^ . I really liked the part on the symbolism of numbers and the aspects covered by the book on this subject

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      @@tarotquestfr8692 There's plenty of time. I do know that there's a French edition of that deck. The difference being the little white book is in French only. I thought that her explanation of numerology in relation to Tarot was exceptionally clear and succinct. It isn't complicated really, despite the way some authors make it overly so. She writes very well and the translation to English is perfect as far as I can tell. I just wish they'd used original titles when translating to English, e.g. Papess and House of God, etc. Thank you for your kind comments.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      Apologies for my hurried delivery. You did well to follow and the auto-generated captions aren't always accurate. Watching again, I should have edited it more thoroughly as I repeat things a lot. Oh well. Like the Tarot, I'm imperfect 😅

  • @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission
    @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for sharing the book! Had it not been for your video, I wouldn’t have looked twice at it, most likely. Same with the deck! It’s not in my collection … yet, we’ll see 😂

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      @@SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission I know what you mean. Lo Scarabeo have packaged it in a very unappealing way IMO. Very easily overlooked.

  • @wheelhouse5793
    @wheelhouse5793 4 місяці тому

    Many thanks for sharing 👍

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      @@wheelhouse5793 thank you for watching and encouragement.

  • @alizaofbrooklyn
    @alizaofbrooklyn 4 місяці тому

    Do you like the Yoav Ben Dov book?

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      I really like his book and it's one I refer to often. His card interpretations are excellent and his notions of how the Tarot majors came about are the finest I've read. A wonderful ambassador for the Tarot and much missed by all.

  • @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission
    @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission 5 місяців тому

    Nice unboxing! The Madenié is an obvious favorite of mine; the faces, the colors, and the faint ghosting is fun. I also love the Paul Marteau! I really dig the blue hair and the minimal color palette.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      @@SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission thank you for the kind comments. It means a lot to me. Yes, I really love this deck. As you mentioned in one of your videos, it's a cozy deck, like the Spanish Tarot. I think the Marteau is a bit unpopular these days, but it's one of those that when you look at the cards individually it can seem lacking and underwhelming compared to newer restorations, but when you spread the cards on a table for a reading it jumps out at you and triggers something and is just really clear.

    • @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission
      @SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission 5 місяців тому

      @@Aceofwands688 Plus, the Marteau decks are usually pricey. I adore them!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      @@SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission The price is good here in England. Not sure why, because it's still an import. I'm definitely not complaining :)

  • @benjaminbeebe6555
    @benjaminbeebe6555 5 місяців тому

    This was my first Marseille-style deck, & has become my very favorite. It has a quirky but cheerful character which has brought a lot of fun to my Tarot journey.

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      Thank you for this. I can see why. It's utterly charming and a delight to handle.

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 5 місяців тому

    Hello David. Thank you for this review. You are right about Conver we see the date of 1760 on the two of deniers, even if we know that Conver was active at the beginning of the 19th century, which clearly proves that he had bought the molds. It seems to me that the backs of the cards have been restored, right? I had completely forgotten the green of the sun and on the clothes from the court cards of cups. In fact, I had the copy of Madenié supplied with the "Tarot Pas à Pas" book by Marianne Costa, I did very little reading with the Madenié. And I gave the book and the copy of Madenié to my niece! ^_^ But I remain convinced that it is the most beautiful Type II! I should buy another one, perhaps that of Yves Reynaud, because looking at your review, I realize that I myself have not done a review of this unique tarot. Question: why are there 2 "LE MAT" in the deck? Best regards. David

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      Thank you for your comments David and the explanations of some details. By the way, your niece was very lucky to be gifted this beautiful deck. If you freeze some frames on the video it might clarify your query about "Le Mat." I apologise for skipping over that in my initial excitement when opening the box. I was a bit surprised too as the differences aren't immediately obvious. As far as I can see, it is in the red colour bleed on his staff and a masking on his tunic which covers some of the bells on his collar. I did some research and I believe that is how his first edition printed, but this 3rd edition has rectified that. I am surprised that he's added that 'original' card in this one. However, it is the kind tof restoration work I personally approve of in a facsimile deck, but I know many think that is a correction too far! If you look again at the two of deniers scroll, the date is 1709. Also have a look at the writing on the base of the Ace of Coupes: "PATER GRAVEUR A DIJON." I think it's worth having a copy of this deck - even if it doesn't become one's main deck as it's historically so important and very beautiful to just look at. One correction, I probably needed to add is that I read that the Chosson deck might be an older Type 2 deck. Do you have more information on that? It's my feeling today that the Type 2 deck may be as old as the Type 1, rather than developed from it. The Vieville being another older variant that didn't quite sell as well? I know that lots of Tarot Historians have pet theories and are keen to advocate for a particular type, but they seldom have compelling evidence as far as I can see. They may of course be right, but until somebody uncovers a Type 0 deck (One researcher I came across believes that the Noblet is the Type 0 deck?) it has to be speculative for me. Now that I have had a bit more time with the Noblet deck, I intend to do a video review of that one, but not until the autumn now. Regards David

    • @tarotquestfr8692
      @tarotquestfr8692 5 місяців тому

      @@Aceofwands688 Hello David, Thank you for your reply. Indeed, I understand better the presence of the 2 FOU in the game. it's a very commendable initiative on the part of the creator. I'm still in favor of even minor restorations rather than facsimiles, because when you don't have the original map in front of you, it can be difficult to see certain details that can come out better with a modification of the lines and colors. I'm always in favor of corrections as long as they improve map legibility. I confess I don't know Chosson. I'm not sure that type 2 is from the same period as type 1. It seems to me that the differences between type 1 and type 2 are evolutions from 1 to 2. But this is pure speculation. It's very true that several types of tarot developed in France in the 18th century. We have the anonymous Paris tarot of 1615, Vieiville in 1650, Noblet in 1650. These are 3 totally different tarots. It is therefore possible that type 1 and type 2 developed in parallel. According to my information, no hypothesis has yet been verified by evidence. I don't believe that Noblet is type 0. Nor is Noblet the oldest tarot, it's now Vachier of 1639, a type 1 sold at auction for 65,000EUR (!!!) in March 23. On the other hand, Noblet had a very different point of view from the other craftsmen, putting, for example, a woman and a man in the sun. Noblet was a true scholar if he hadn't made the 1st tarot. Best regards, David.

  • @melissenna
    @melissenna 5 місяців тому

    That is a very lovely deck. Full of character, the faces are lovely - but I love the block print detail. Thank you for sharing!

  • @lyssamilhaven7356
    @lyssamilhaven7356 5 місяців тому

    video was great. sound and lighting very good

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      Thanks for the quick feedback. It was done in a bit of a rush, in less than ideal conditions. Pleased that all 😊

  • @wheelhouse5793
    @wheelhouse5793 5 місяців тому

    Oh, I've got to get these 👏

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      @@wheelhouse5793 They're very cute and the pips are gorgeous.

  • @wheelhouse5793
    @wheelhouse5793 5 місяців тому

    It's funny, but sometimes I like a border, and sometimes I don't. It just depends on the images 👌

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 5 місяців тому

      @@wheelhouse5793 I agree. I have 2 decks without borders and it's fine for them.

  • @tarotquestfr8692
    @tarotquestfr8692 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the review. I had confused it with another Fournier I have. This one I didn't know. Indeed it's a shame for the errors in the text and especially for the information from the printer on the 5 of swords. I've never seen a Celtic cross as complicated as that in the layout, even if 11 cards seems the normal number. I'm not sure the printer used the original names, they're the RWS tarot names, aren't they? Too bad for a Spanish tarot from 1736 when the RWS tarot did not yet exist. I really like the colours, except for the orange of the cups. The line of the drawings is rather nice, and I have the impression that this is a deck that could be suitable for children. Although the 22 triumphs lack a certain amount of detail, but I think it's a good challenger to the tarot de marseille. I'll have to buy this one too, thanks for the discovery!

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 6 місяців тому

      Yes the instruction booklet is possibly the worst I've ever seen - for lots of reasons. I am also bemused that they chose to translate some of the names into RWS ones sometimes. I think it would be a great first deck for a younger owner too. I would just like to see the skin tones done like the older print and removing the English names which are not necessary at all in my opinion. I like the use of type 1 and type 2 as well.

  • @davidnj49
    @davidnj49 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for your complete présentation. J'adore ! Merci de m'avoir fait découvrir le Ancian Italian Tarot, je vais l'acheter.

  • @davidnj49
    @davidnj49 6 місяців тому

    Seems to be very interesting, I have to get this book !

    • @Aceofwands688
      @Aceofwands688 4 місяці тому

      Let me know what you think of it.

  • @Aceofwands688
    @Aceofwands688 6 місяців тому

    Watching through I need to apologise for referring to the manufacturer incorrectly as La Scarabeo when it should be Lo Scarabeo. Also, the playing card pack I used is a little atypical and much wider than average, so the mini deck isn't so different in size, but perhaps a tad too small ideally.

  • @melissenna
    @melissenna 6 місяців тому

    That book is absolutely gorgeous. Thank you for sharing. Such lovely descriptions, David. I want to add to my library...imagine. 🤣