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I have a Jarn, I'll do a larger comparison of these at some point. The Jarn and Savior feel a little faster to me than these.

Yep, see my review for the Range vs Berg! I agree though the IDOG is going in the bag.

@@thejasonblackburn yes, also TSA and Mint, which is why the Votum, Grackle, and Troll are the same disc.

Yeah I had a cosmic neutron one I beat to hell and it was great at this. Deflector is kinda a utility disc for like in the woods chop forehands or something.

The battleship is the Mint Bobcat which I covered in part one. Great disc, very overstable and MVP plastic is so good. The Runway in this video is very similar to the battleship, same plastic and flight.

Appreciate the thought!

I need to get down there and play those courses!

@@supaflashdiscgolf237 come on down

@@alexmojtehedzadeh315 kinda, less glide and a bit slower, plus the anti dome makes the hand feel a bit different but once I got used to it I love it. It flies like a zone that goes less far

Thanks! So nice to have that kind of day in December!

It definitely does. That's my goal of this to show how stuff flies up in the thin air :) I can definitely see how many may find these too understable, but up higher levels these drivers are so good. Put a little hyzer on them and they are pretty money.

​@@supaflashdiscgolf237 I'm in CoS if you ever wanna come down for a round. Have some fun courses here.

​@@supaflashdiscgolf237 It's so hard to say whether people would be happy with the stability on these without actually throwing them. MVP definitely has had some variation between the Trail runs, as you touch on around 7:30. Brook Arnold had a video on it too. e.g. My first Trail from drop 2 had more right to left movement than a 10|5|0|2 Vulture - I like it well enough for what it is that it bumped my previous slightly overstable driver, but what it is surely isn't neutral. Then I rolled the dice on getting a second one from drop 3, and the second did have that advertised true neutral flight.

@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Yeah, they've had some odd consistency across runs this year. I picked up some early neutron Wraths and Servos and they were very gummy and very flippy, like the Neutron was a new mix. The trails I have all feel like normal neutron, but definitely had some different stabilities. I hope eventually they release it in more plastics like proton and eclipse and the consistency gets better. I'm sure that moving into their new facility has caused some issues and they are still dialing it it. I have a feeling that the trail was so popular that they quickly ran some more and they came out slightly different. Personally I like when you can get a disc with slight stability differences in different plastics, you can kind of dial it to your need and preference, but I know it can be frustrating for people looking for a specific flight to the numbers.

Thanks! I think I can see the mando sign from the T pad video lol. I think the FD1 shot might have made it, but yeah my layup putt was no bueno for the mando.

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Didn't have one. May try to get one in part 2.

Yep, they announced the Balance just after I filmed this. I have a Taco and Crux ready to go for part 2. Seems like the balance will be the Ranco Roc/ RocX3 for MVP.

Have you ever tried forehanding a roc? I personally think it might be the worst feeling frisbee, but that might just be me. Can recommend something like a beat in caiman or matrix/reactor. I personally just use a beat in zone-type disc

​@@luryas626 I have the RPM Kea as my "zone" type disc but they are not gliddy at all. I guess if i don't like the hand feel of the Roc it can just go into the pile of shame with the other discs that haven't made the bag 😅

Verdict is what your looking It's more stable than the Zone.... I can roll a Verdict 300+ and use it for my forehand approach Zone is good and can be almost effective as a Verdict but doesn't roll that great

I like the KJ Halo Roc a lot, but I do have a hard time getting a clean release on it forehand. I actually cut out footage of an RPM Kotuku because I had the base plastic and it was a little beat in and I didn't feel like it was a good representation, but that one might be a little more what you are looking for. Its more comfy forehand and doesn't fade super hard. I will have a premium version of one in my part two of these mids. But you might also want to take a look at the Matrix, super comfy, stable but not a big fade.

@@luryas626 I kinda feel the same way. Though my backhand grip I just fan grip mids and Rocs feel fine there, but I definitely struggle with them forehand.

Definitely the discs :D

agree, very impressive with the consistency!

I love it! It's amazing craftmanship! I've thought about learning lefty when I hurt my shoulder but now it just seems to be an overuse issue. I plan on training it and balancing it a lot this offseason. I may have to take some time off from throwing, but honestly putting seems to aggravate it more.

I have, just need to edit it when I get time.

Welcome! It's even a bit better now, they have a constant influx of mulch to keep the grounds less muddy and make nice greens, the island on 16 is more built up with tree stump rings around it, 11 has an elevated pin now on top of a large rock. It's still Valmont but its a great place to play.

@@supaflashdiscgolf237 I like that wooden-pole mando. It looks like a pagoda. Fun. I can't wait to get back to it this year.

I agree, there is a lot of potential with it. Let me know if you need help working with the city or volunteering. I have some ideas, that back part by the pickle ball courts could be really cool.

I plan to, just every time I'm there its so busy. Hard to film, but I'll get it soon.

@@supaflashdiscgolf237 yeah, only really available on weekdays during work hours, otherwise it's packed. Or on bad weather days.

It is a really solid course, wish it was a full 18 but it is a good challenge, lots of length and shapes for a park course.

Glad it helped! I have been debating reshooting this since the changed and having a better mic.

Yeah, The audio was pretty bad regardless, I tried to cover a little of the background noise. I didn't have a good mic when I shot this. I have a lot of vids coming and finally got a good mic, just need some holiday time to sit down and edit finally.