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@@joewoodchuck3824 the 55m² looks huge when they launch it

@@_PatSails I am pretty sure the aft bunks are 160, pretty roomy. I will double check. There is less width in the forward cabins. If you like a big bed, the Excess 11 is also worth a look as this has a 200cm berth. Good luck with your search, sounds exciting! Let me know if you need any more help.

@katamaranscom ah 1.5 and 1.6 in the 44. plus few little changes I see from your video. see if I can save a bit more before pulling the trigger. maybe someone does a year cruising to run one in that I can grab 😎 love your work thank you

@@_PatSails always good to to get someone else to fix all the new boat niggles

All of those windsurfers and kitesurfers' have to be slightly insane at those speeds

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I reckon that's an easy switch!

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sail to charge (with solar), then motor if the wind dies

You make some interesting points there. Do you mean a forward helm with access forward? You would lose quite a bit of saloon space there but it would be interesting to see a tri with that helm set up. I have to say I was impressed with the overall living space on this new model. If you went for owner´s cabin down, the space would be huge, it´s big already. For me personally, I prioritise the living space over cabin space (most of the time you are asleep or reading anyway). That forward central cabin is the smallest, but the others seemed fine to me, I can see this would work really well for younger families especially with access to the floats from the main saloon. You make an interesting point about the boom crane. The boom is higher, but it's not crazy flybridge height, I could live with that especially as the lines all come into the helm and everything is easy to get to in a seaway.

@@katamaranscom - Yes, definitely a forward helm with some access forward. Something more akin to Chris White's design, though, not like the Windelo cat that has an unnecessarily large portion of the interior carved out for dual helm stations. I would happily sacrifice that forward center-hull berth on the Neel 52 to make room for that kind of design. Minimal impact on the interior salon space, about as much as there is now with that interior helm station, but with the ability to get out of the nasty weather when under way. It's a safer helm position overall, and access to all the lines and winches is literally 2-3 steps away. I'm definitely with you on prioritizing the living space over other things, which is why I disliked what they did with the galley on the 52 vs the 51. Seems like they sacrificed a fair bit of that master cabin room. Having said that, I haven't been on one, so maybe it's different in person. Personally, I think the slightly narrower cabin space in the floats is a pretty good trade-off for trimaran performance and stability. They looked plenty comfortable enough. What do you recon...they're maybe 2 feet narrower than on a similar-length cat? Relocating the engine and losing the fantastic access that was there on the 51 might be the thing I find most offensive, but I had that discussion with another yacht reviewer (Toby) who made the point that they did this for better balance. Putting the weight further aft led to less porpoising, as the bows were lifted out of the water, making for a smoother ride overall. I can definitely appreciate that sound reasoning, but it's still a shame to lose such amazing access once you've had it. As a production yacht company, I'm sure it's nigh-on impossible to meet everyone's wants and desires, so they provide what they think most people will want and hope they buy it. My perfect Neel would take some re-engineering, to be sure, but she'd be a beast when she launched!! Good talking with you!

@@meadmaker4525 One thing I would say about the Windelo forward cockpit, that it's such a great place to stand a night watch tucked in on those benches with the view forward and it ends up as quite a social space on the hook, hanging out, chatting to people lazing on the nets. The other thing I hadn't factored in with a forward cockpit (I guess I hadn´t been thinking about it) is anchoring. So easy to spot your chain, it´s easy as a one person job if you need it to be. Thanks for the interesting comments!

Hang on, I thought Carbon Fibre was a petroleum product, not a fuel? But I get your point.

@@katamaranscom You funny. lol

​@@p1315 I guess innovation is not for everyone

I'll double check, but I don't think that's in the WSSRC rules 😅

Whaa? 100 mph sailboat is mind-blowing, of course mabey you have a small mind.

@@ExploringCabinsandMines What's so mind blowing about it? It has no use in the real world.

Ah yes, the "if I don't value something then it's worthless" also related to "if I don't find something funny it's not funny" or otherwise known as "some people believe the sun rises and sets in the same place."

@@WanderAbroad-pq5ph It's worthless because it's worthless. It's just clout chasing nonsense.

@@p1315 And I think Lamborghini's are worthless because I have no interest in cars. But to be more to the point I'm sure if you posted your interests that you've dumped money into I'm sure plenty would line up to tell you how worthless your pursuits are as well. Worth is subjective.

Search "sp80 does our boat fly" for more on this. They do have foils but they provide downward pressure like an F1 car. Then the idea is to progressively increase the kite size and power up to compensate

@@katamaranscom I see you've got some good, level headed replies in these comments. Thanks for sticking to the facts. This project is a feat of engineering, and all nay-sayers will eventually be silenced when this leads to further breakthroughs for modern day transport, world record or not.

@@Mattle_lutra it will be interesting to see if this leads to some spin off tech, I'd be surprised if it doesn't, 25kts and flat seas to them

I thought it was pretty good. Looks like the owner just went for a utility area in the stbd forepeak and kept it functional. I should think there's an option to add decor if you want

Neel has had build quality issues since their inception. It's too bad, because the creativity in their builds is top notch

Impressed with the living space on this boat, that galley is something else!

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Typically you can run a more powerful sail plan with a trimaran as 3 Hulls give you more stability (this boat has a bigger mainsail than an Outremer 52 for example). The risk of capsize is lower with a trimaran. They also perform well upwind. Against that, as you say, there is less width in the floats so it depends on your preference. I was pretty impressed with the space on this boat, and I am not a natural Tri customer. I haven't seen a comparable galley on a 50 footer. If you want a big owners cabin, you configure it up top. It's big alright! If it was me, I would probably max out the living space up top and go for the cabins down below. There are pros and Cons, like any boat, this one moved the dial for me on tris

If you compare the total sqm of a Neel 52 versus any cat you’ll find quickly the Neel is much more roomy. I’ve seriously looked at every cat in this size and compared their deck layouts with my architectural programmes. Cats are compromised. If there is only two people onboard then go the cat, the do look great but if you need to pack n stack kids like I do then the tri is better. Everything has a compromise.

@@bradynixon8900 I'm sorry but you are talking complete rubbish. MAYBE (and I'm not sure it's true) trimarans have some miniscule sqm advantage on the deck level, but calling cats "compromized" and saying they are only good "if there is only two people", is utter nonsense. Lagoon 51 is 15.35x8.10 meters. This Neel 52 is 15.90x8.80. With MUCH narrower floats than the catamaran's hulls I seriously doubt it's any bigger. Lagoon 51 has EIGHT cabins for 12 people to sleep in queen size beds PLUS two crew, this thing has five cabins which I can only describe as cramped. So either post your exact findings, which models you compared, or throw away your "architecural programmes" and stop talking nonsense.

I also doubt very much that a Lagoon 51 sails as well as a Neel52

@@The_guy_on_the_internet And why is that? Same height mast. Sail area 160 vs 190 adv Neel BUT three floats might make more wetted area. Any substantiation for your "doubt"? General question to the whole "audience". Do you guys do ANY research on the subject or are you just fanboys?

Not a deal breaker but personal preference again. If you are smashing into a sea going upwind, and don't fancy doing the dishes just yet, you have a safe space for your dirty plates and glasses with one free for making drinks, pouring away liquids. More flexible in my opinion, I think you could easily fit a "sink and a half" here which would do the job

👍😅 so much space, I took a look in LGM

@@katamaranscom We are glad that you liked it!

Getting nicely grilled in the Caribbean sun there!

OK, noted we will start using a fisheye for some shots, tough to get the balance right on visibility and distortion

Hi Richard, price is at 0.35 on the video :from €1,067,800. Depending on your options, you might need to add 200k+ to that

Thank you. Must have missed that.

Looking at the numbers, my take out is that it is there or there abouts in terms of weight with their selective use of carbon. I tend to use the manufacturers weights as a relative guide rather than an absolute number as it is in all their interests to make them look good. The sail plan is powerful especially if you go overlapping genoa, for me it is an interesting positioning (price/comfort /performance) and good to see so much choice in this market segment

@@katamaranscom at 1.3M USD+ you could get an HH, a Balance, an Outremer, an ITA, etc., this catana would not even be on my list.

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I think they had plans for a 7X before GLY bought Gunboat 🤔

@@katamaranscom Yes you are right. I remember that. In fact, they had put some drafts on their site if I'm not mistaken

I think its 3kW and a typo :) 300kW would run 20-30 homes

Well spotted, thks. 3kW of peak solar. Even with Moore's law, we are not quite there yet. #typo

Hi, thanks for the kind feedback. I haven't sailed on an Aventura 37, I'll just start with that caveat. The Excess 11 and Aventura are roomier down below. In terms of overall comfort, the Aventura is a clever design for a 37 footer. The Nautitech has lots of living space up top and it works particularly well in warmer climates (big covered space aft). In terms of performance, the Nautitech shades it, followed by the Excess. I like the low booms on the Excess and Nautitech (keeps the centre of effort on the mainsail low). If you want a protected helm, the Aventura wins. On the Aventura and Excess you reef from the helm, on the Nautitech from the mast (there are some advantages with this simple system on a forty footer). In terms of resale, the Excess and Nautitech are probably a match in terms of depreciation. The Aventura is a less well known brand. All 3 have options for a bowsprit which I would go for. The Excess and Nautitech have self-tacking jibs, the Aventura has an overlapping jib. The Aventura and Nautitech have travellers for trimming the mainsail, the Excess has a bridle system. The Excess has the widest dealer network (Beneteau Group). Those are the main variables I would be looking at if I was matching up my requirements. I hope that helps, if you need any more help we have more detailed reviews on katamarans.com or contact us through the site, all the best with your search!

@@katamaranscom Thanks for the thoughtful response. You have a ton of information over at the site so thanks for that. I'm hoping to see trial the Nautitech in June. Sailed the Excess 12 but the 11 fits the budget better. Thanks again and all the best!!

@@jones3892 good luck with your search! I prefer the 11 to the 12 personally. Ask them about their new model which launches 2025

So much fun to sail though!

It is more of a monohull position, for sure, but you have two helms. When it gets really rough you just move to the dry side (windward). If I was doing a circumnavigation I would probably have a back up auto-pilot on my options for redundancy, but that would also be a good plan on a raised helm cat. For me, the visibility was more of an issue in the marina, but even there you just hop up to the deck every now and then or switch sides. They turn on a sixpence

I remember looking at a Mahe back in the day and almost signing on the dotted line, the C-Cat 37 is worth a look

I have to put my hands up and and admit that I haven't been on one in waves, but yes the boom is higher with the raised helm position. Interesting that Bali went for aft helms on their Catsmart and they are usually the flybridge kings

Hi Chris. Tough choice, I took delivery at the end of 2019 so the Excess 11 wasn't available. The Excess has more room down below but the Nautitech has better living space up top (you can stretch out full length on the benches for example). The Nautitech has the edge on performance I would say. Resale- about the same? Then you have the reefing. I grew to like that position in the end (very simple). There's a winch by the mast and it is close on a 40 footer, but you do need to go forward. I hope that helps.