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Cheers!

Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts. I enjoyed reading your comment. I agree that it would be great to get a collection of opinions from women both in and out of gaming on the matter. I worrry that managing such a project would be outside of my skillset though, and I'd hate to bungle it and muddy the waters of the debate more than they already are. I'm no sociologist at the end of the day. That's ultimately why I opted to emphasize considering our individual thoughts and feelings about it in the video, since I can at least offer my own thoughts with some certainty. Thanks again!

(in one piece, i dont like it)

I don't believe it's a straight yes or no answer regarding whether harm results, and in reality, neither of us knows the absolute truth of the matter. I did show one study that concluded that the depictions of sexualized women in gaming is a contributor toward how real life women are perceived in rape cases, but the real goal is for you to decide for yourself. I'm suggesting that there's some measure of likelihood one way or the other, and that it's for us individually to decide whether or not we're personally okay with accepting whatever risk of association that leads to. Telling me that I'm wrong or that you disagree is besides the point. I've satisfied my heart by thinking about the issue for myself and acting on my moral sense, and I'd like you to make a decision for yourself too. That's all. If your heart says it's a non-issue, then so be it. Mission accomplished!

@@GGTHRILLHO, I already made a decision and that was already stated earlier. Honestly, I find it interesting that some of the artists that draw or make these characters are women. For example, the creator of the Neptunia series (known not only for featuring personified video game references but also for a bunch of fanservice) is a woman as well. It just goes to show that they are completely okay with things like that in media just as much as men are. While some of "those" cases can be contributors to not very nice things, they don't have to be. It's important that people learn morality and separating fiction from reality from a young age to minimize the amount of harm against others that would happen if they weren't educated.

Women aren't a hive mind. Some women may be callous, or cruel, kind, or empathetic. If a woman makes a character design that contributes to the trend of over sexualizing girls in games, that doesn't mean that all women think it's okay. It doesn't even mean that woman necessarily thinks it's okay. It's her job, and she needs to consider her own material wellbeing. It would be lovely if everyone was taught a sort of ideal and perfectly kind morality, but this isn't the case in the real world. We have to contend with what's happening now. Offering up a hypothetical alternative is a way of dismissing the reality of the current circumstances. Avoiding the potential consequences by softening the language so far as to say "not very nice things" is another way to diminish the potential issue. Child sexualization might lead to child rape, child enslavement, and who knows what other horrors. We shouldn't hide those possibilities behind vague and soft language. Regardless, thanks for reading my thoughts and for checking out the video.

You trying to get me killed or what? :P

@GGTHRILLHO I have been deeply into Anime for nearly a decade and I know the overused tropes which are not acceptable for those outside of the weeb community.

"Hello, doctor. I'm here today because I can't seem to find underage girls attractive, and an internet person told me that means I need professional help."

@@GGTHRILLHO No underage girls were involved at any point. So let's adress your obsession with turning people (or game characters) into them inside your head.

@@karstenvoigt7280 "But you shouldn't be thinking of children as objects of sexual desire," the doctor insisted. "It's not ri--" "Wait," the patient blurted. "You can't sexualized girls. You can only de-sexualize them, which is symptomatic of a disgusting world view. Tell me, doctor, do you even internet?" The doctor stared, mouth agape as his brain struggled to process what he was hearing. He thought of his many degrees. How could everyone have been so wrong? He reached for the stethoscope around his neck. Were the heartbeats he'd heard over the years even real? Or was the silence the heartbeat and the beat the true silence? What else was he wrong about? "No," the doctor finally said, "I don't internet. But I think... I think it's time I tried."

@@GGTHRILLHO I think what he's saying is that humans, having been born of sex, have their origin in sex and so, there's no true separation from that. He didn't say you should find children to be objects of desire. He said that kids become adults and adults have sex to procreate and thereby create children. That means sexuality is a part of our lives.

If this is your greatest defence for why game devs make 16yr olds run around in mini-miniskirts then i think you need to consider therapy

@@exomoneylabel Oh? So, you have no argument except to tell me that I'm crazy?

@@exomoneylabel fictional characters aren't people...

The psychology around violence and the psychology around sexual attraction are inherently different however. It's not a good idea to apply the insights from one to the other as it may lead to fundamental misunderstandings. I did show a study in the video that concluded that exposure to images of sexualized women does contribute to the development of negative perceptions of women, but I also don't claim to be completely read on the entire body of literature in the field. My goal wasn't to create a rigorous, academic argument, but rather, to ask everyone to think about the matter themselves and make a decision based on their own moral sense.

It's interesting that men could cosplay the characters that they think are cool, but many women choose to cosplay characters that men think are attractive, hey? Do you think the way women are portrayed in media might guide women's choices about what sorts of designs are socially valuable? Personally, I'd love it if women only cosplayed characters that they thought were cool, just like the dudes.

@@GGTHRILLHO Did you just suggest that women pick their outfits based on what men like? 😂😂😂😂 No, women cosplay DVa, Cammy, lara croft, harley quinn because they like their style. And men cosplay Kratos, Dante and Goku because they like their style. Nobody would like to cosplay a Concord character because the design is just terrible. And believe it or not... many women want to be viewed as "hot/attractive".

I agree that there should be more careful oversight from parents to ensure that their kids have a solid emotional and logical foundation before taking on these kinds of subjects, but that just doesn't seem to be the case in the real world. I think equalizing the level of sexualization on display by bringing the portrayals of boys more in line with girls ignores that these images are still seen by everyone. It might be more satisfying for you as an adult, but does that self-satisfaction come at a cost to others? And if so, is that acceptable to you?

Haha, that's totally understandable, but it may be good to look beyond that and ask yourself if that bit of pleasure is worth it. :P

@@WhiteArtsMagic Cheers, thanks for checking it out!

You dont find it weird and badly written that videogame characters put on festival costumes instead of actual armor and practical clothing? How is the way girls dress while having fun at a festival where they go to dance and listen to music comparable to the way female characters dress in videogames that vary from postapocalyptic, to futuristic or just fantasy?

@@markedone494 As if Kratos is wearing any armor, its just a design, and his titties are out in the open, while these usually wear bras ~

@markedone494 well a lot of the girls in the games seem to be having fun in tournaments and we all know girls love attention when viewed by many people (Instagram, UA-cam etc)

​@@markedone494futuristic and fantasy explains itself as "culture" of the time/place. On the other hand post apocalyptic people running around in lingerie is not justificable beyond "I am the artist and I like lingerie", that yo me is a perfectly valid reason. People are free to criticize it tho.

Don't ignore the fact that the designs are created primarily for the purpose of making money though! The all-pervasive dollar definitely casts those choices in a different light.

@@cloopis_the_floopis haha I was hoping someone would get a laugh from that :P cheers

Where do you stand on the matter?

@@GGTHRILLHO Logic and reason, which conservatives are notoriously bad at

In this case, how would you apply your logic and reason?

@@GGTHRILLHO Start by respecting and loving women, something conservatives always oppose to do

@@Pauli-dg2yv I wanted to focus on girls for this particular video to limit the scope, but I think it's really important to consider boys too. Thanks for bringing it up!

No, it's not good to have women be sexualized wearing barley anything because you will start to think it's normal unless they are doing sports or at the beach, Which goes for men to, it's not good to have men either be wearing thongs or half naked for no reason unless there doing sports or at the beach. Feminism is about gender equality fighting for BOTH genders not just the women but for the men to.

Did you even watch the video? It's talking about the problem of sexualization, using female characters as the main example because, and let's be real for a sec, Kratos and Dante are very much the exception. Comparatively, you have a few games that highly sexualize both men and women, but usually the scale very much tipped towards female sexualization in both frequency and degree of sexualization

@PaddeeBA Geralt, Arthur Morgan, Kazuya, Jin, Heihachi, Astarion..

@@Pauli-dg2yv There is tons of males thats optimal and attractive. The amount of gaming women being drooling over Astarion is insane. Yet a woman as a DD cup in a game and its hell on earth somehow.

@@DeviHyuga cheers :)

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Heya, thanks for checking out the video! I'm not from the UK or US personally, but my point broadly was that I believe we should rely on our own moral sense to decide the matter for ourselves and not rely on local laws and such to decide for us.

That timemark and how you use it in your comment is basically clipchimping. It's part of a larger point starting from 4:47, but you should at least include everything from 5:36 onward. It's no secret the p industry has a huge problem with the crimes you have listed, and when underage characters are sexualized it just leads people into such dark corners, as the sexualization of minors either becomes normalized to them or some sort of sick fetish evolves from it

@@PaddeeBA It feels great to see that point was understood. Thank you!

@@Gigamokin Thanks for checking it out!

Since the depictions of sexualized young girls in the video are still being viewed and slobbered over today, I seriously doubt this is 10 years too late. Maybe if some of the fighting game cretins could advance in maturity by those 10 years you speak of, you'd have a point. Alas... Sorry, CRINGE TAKE LOLOLOL

Heya, thanks for writing out your thoughts. I appreciate the time you've taken to think about the subject. I'm not an expert in the study of sex or psychology, but it's my impression based on what reading I have done that the current trend of arguing that humans have a base, underlying sexual instinct that determines how and when we find each other attractive, and that it can override our ration selves isn't taken seriously in the academic literature. It might be worth checking it out yourself as well, as I may very well be wrong about that. Regarding the influence on audiences, young and old, I didn't want to bog the video down in making an academic argument. I did post the conclusion of one study that did support the idea that such imagery does influence our overall perception of women, but whether you believe that or not, it doesn't interfere with the central thesis of the video, which is that we should think about the subject for ourselves and steer ourselves according to our own sense of right and wrong. I'll add to that though that at the very least, violence and sex are inherently different aspects of our psychology, and so applying any conclusions from one to the other might be a mistake. I mentioned in the video the idea that a prolonged multi-source exposure to an idea can shape how we broadly feel about the idea in society. That doesn't mean that you'd watch Total Recall and so that movie would alone decide how you see the world. Rather, it's about the reinforcement of ideas which are either not considered abhorrent, which extreme violence is, and thereby solidifying them as part of our accepted cultural norms. In this case, the depictions of sexualized girls aren't immediately understood to be harmful as you yourself argued in your comment, but when exposed to consistent messaging regarding the subject over the course of many years, it can begin to feel normal, inevitable, or even proper. It contributes to how we shape our understanding of women broadly and their role in society. And I think this is supported by your point that there will always be some perverts hanging around in gaming. That perverts hanging around happens will all sorts of stuff. That it's normal, inevitable. But ultimately, I think all of those types of arguments get away from the central idea I'm trying to put across, which is that we should think about it for ourselves. I'd rather we thought about it by ourselves and for ourselves. Creeps, pop culture, and whatever else be damned. Regardless, these are just some immediate reactions from me. Thanks again for commenting, it's interesting to think about your perspective.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The FGC in particular is uniquely bad for it, and it's become deeply entrenched in the culture. At the same time, the FGC is really great for accepting and accommodating LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities, or just people who are just on the social fringes but aren't harmful. So it seems especially odd, and maybe especially damning, that the FGC on the whole is so willing to target women and girls for some pretty extreme sexualization. The way the community treats these other groups suggests to me that they can at least understand the problem. What attempts I've made to raise the issue have been uniformly met with indifference in the FGC discords, social media, and friend groups I've hung out in. By comparison, the racing sim groups, retro game groups, and general gaming hangouts I've been in have all taken the issue much more seriously. As you can tell, it's something in particular that bugs me! If I could change anything about the FGC, it would be that.

@GGTHRILLHO proud of you for raising the discussion

And thank you for taking the time to check it out! You rock.

Good to know, thanks :)

That's nice of you to say, but it's no big deal :) This is a topic that's bound to cause extreme reactions in some, but that's why I believe it's worth thinking about.

Thanks for you input, it's appreciated!

modern culture allows women themselves to sexualize for money, many underage kids are growing up with the algorithm of women showing there bodies, catering to a fanbase and market. OF, Twitch, IG, X all platform oversexualized content creators. thats far more damaging than fictional characters.

Cheers!

@@GGTHRILLHO I feel like this isn't talked about enough, and you've approached it very diplomatically. I dig that.

I really don't like the Us vs Them way of arguing online in general. It stinks! I don't want anyone to have to do the extra work of first getting through insults or whatever before they can even think about what I'm trying to say. That just undermines my own goal if nothing else. It's also just dehumanizing and unpleasant for everyone, so why bother.

Hugo is my friend, and I like him.

@ hugo is my cousin, and he lets me play on his tire swing

What, do you think you invented SF or something?? Well, you didn't. Daigo did. Everyone knows that.

@@GGTHRILLHO well i dont know if i m talking to a retarded or a psychopath !!! what , are you using google translate ? Bub your comment makes no sense Daigo Umahara is one of the greatest SF players yes but he didnt invent the game ! Capcom did !!! anyway enough with the bullshit time to mute your notifications for eternity ! .... dweeb !

@@GGTHRILLHOI thought tomo created it? Did daigo pull an akuma and raging demon him on his way to hand the finished product over to the bosses? 😂

Of course, and CE was released in 2002 as we all know! I know everything about video games.

@@GGTHRILLHO yeah sure you know everything about fighting games Bub !!! actually you know little to none about fighting games ! SF2 CE was released in March 18th1992 !!!! and SF6 is a sequel to V and V to 4 and 4 to 3 and three to 2 and two to 1 and i know why Bub !!!

I'm so glad the video showed you a new perspective! I hope you're able to enjoy road racing more on your next go around. Cheers.

Definitely! Knowing me, I'll probably end up with some crazy rig eventually.

That's really kind of you to write. Cheers :)

Thank you, seeing this was a great start to my day!

Totally! And it takes a while to get a feel for the weightiness of everything because it's such a huge departure from standard arcade style controls. And then, going from a sim racer back to an arcade racer, everything feels uncanny and kind of bizarre. I really like both styles of games though.

@ I actually ended up refunding it. I expected it to have at least decent wheel support but it even lacked the auto center functionality. It honestly made it really hard to control for me because of that plus the ffb is pretty weird. 🫤

I badly need to get into sim rally racing, thanks for the reminder :P

@@GGTHRILLHO cant wait for a video on it

@@vitoscalleta9814 That's rad, thanks :) I've got a few games on the go currently, so it might be a bit before I can do a video for Dirt, BUT I do promise to make some videos for it.

@@nightmareplay2.o845 appreciate it my dude