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Christopher Crawford
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Photography, Film processing, and Digital Image Editing tutorials by fine art photographer Christopher Crawford. In addition to his video tutorials on UA-cam, Chris has written a number of free tutorials on his website, crawfordphotoschool.com
The Crawford Photo School website also includes Chris's tested developing times for many popular black and white films developed in Agfa Rodinal, Kodak D-76, Kodak Tmax Developer, and PMK Pyro.
Chris also offers personal lessons, telephone and web consultations, and portfolio reviews. He has been a professional artist and photographer for more than 20 years. Check out Chris's portfolio at chriscrawfordphoto.com
If these tutorials were helpful to you, please consider a donation. Click the link to donate via Paypal. paypal.me/crawfordphoto
Yes, his cat really was that fat! Simba died in 2010 from kidney failure. He was 16 years old and weighed 23lb!
The Crawford Photo School website also includes Chris's tested developing times for many popular black and white films developed in Agfa Rodinal, Kodak D-76, Kodak Tmax Developer, and PMK Pyro.
Chris also offers personal lessons, telephone and web consultations, and portfolio reviews. He has been a professional artist and photographer for more than 20 years. Check out Chris's portfolio at chriscrawfordphoto.com
If these tutorials were helpful to you, please consider a donation. Click the link to donate via Paypal. paypal.me/crawfordphoto
Yes, his cat really was that fat! Simba died in 2010 from kidney failure. He was 16 years old and weighed 23lb!
Scanning Artwork and Photos With Epson Scan
Christopher Crawford demonstrates how to scan artwork and photographs using an Epson flatbed scanner and Epson Scan software. This is useful for scanning paintings and drawings as well as photographic prints. He also demonstrates how to edit the scans with an easy method for color correcting them using a gray card and a single curves adjustment layer in Photoshop.
If you found this tutorial useful, please consider a donation so that Chris can continue to produce these free tutorials.
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See more of Chris's tutorials on digital and film photography at crawfordphotoschool.com
His photographs can be viewed and purchased on his portfolio website at chriscrawfordphoto.com
If you found this tutorial useful, please consider a donation so that Chris can continue to produce these free tutorials.
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See more of Chris's tutorials on digital and film photography at crawfordphotoschool.com
His photographs can be viewed and purchased on his portfolio website at chriscrawfordphoto.com
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Black & White Printing With Epson Advanced BW Mode (Mac version, 2023)
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In this tutorial, I show you how to make beautiful Black & White prints on an Epson inkjet printer using Epson's Advanced Black & White Mode in Mac OS. This is an updated version of an earlier tutorial that i made several years ago. In the intervening years, the layout of the printer driver has changed quite a bit; this version was done with Mac OS Ventura. This allows you to not only make perf...
How To Make Color Inkjet Prints Using ICC Profiles
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates how to use ICC Profiles and Soft Proofing in Adobe Photoshop to make color inkjet prints that match the image on your screen. He uses an Mac with the Ventura operating system and the Epson P800 printer; but this tutorial will work for any Epson inkjet, and should be useful to users of HP and Canon printers as well. This is a replacement for an earlier tutorial ...
Simplified Color Printing on an Epson Printer Using Printer Managed Color (2023 Revision)
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In this tutorial, Chris demonstrates a simple method of making color inkjet prints that match the image on your screen with an Epson printer, using Printer Managed Color. This requires no ICC Printer profiles and no soft proofing! This is a new version of a tutorial that I did six years ago. The printer driver has changed in the newer versions of the Mac OS since then, making the old tutorial o...
Color Slide Scanning With Vuescan (2023 Version)
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates how to scan color slides with Vuescan software. He uses the Nikon Coolscan V scanner, but the settings he show you in this tutorial should work fine with most other films scanners. This tutorial replaces an earlier version done several years earlier. Vuescan has changed quite a bit in the years since the original tutorial was made, and this one uses the latest ...
B&W Film Scanning in Vuescan (2023)
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Eight years ago, I made a B&W Negative Scanning Tutorial. The software has changed quite a bit in the intervening years, so in August, 2023 I made this new, updated version using the latest versions of Vuescan and Photoshop. Christopher Crawford demonstrates his film scanning technique from start to finish, using a Nikon LS-50 (Coolscan V) scanner with Vuescan software. He then shows the scan p...
Scanning Color Negatives With Vuescan
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates how to scan color negatives with Vuescan software. He uses the Nikon LS-50 (Coolscan V) scanner, but the settings he show you in this tutorial should work fine with most other films scanners. If you found this tutorial useful, please consider a donation so that Chris can continue to produce these free tutorials. Donate through Paypal. You do not need a Paypal a...
Chris Crawford's Photography On The News 10-21-22
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For several months, I've been working on a project using a Polaroid SX-70 camera to document the demolition of Saint Joseph Hospital in downtown Fort Wayne, Indiana. The hospital, Fort Wayne's oldest, closed at the end of 2021 after the opening of a new hospital on the next block over. Fort Wayne's Channel 21 WPTA "21Alive" News did a story on my project that aired on the 6pm evening news broad...
Simplified Color Printing on an Epson Printer Using Printer Managed Color (Windows Version)
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I made a video a couple years ago on how to make prints using the Printer Managed Color option in Photoshop using an Epson printer. Someone wrote to me to say that he couldn't find the same controls on his version of Photoshop. I think he was using Windows. My earlier video was made using a Mac. Photoshop's print controls are the same on both Macs and Windows, but the Epson Printer driver is no...
Profiling Digital Cameras With Sekonic Exposure Meters
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Chris shows you how to profile a digital camera with Sekonic L-478, L-758, and L-858 exposure meters using Sekonic's Exposure Profiling Target and Data Transfer Software. This compensates for cameras whose ISO settings are not completely accurate, ensuring correct exposures. It also shows you the camera's actual dynamic range so that you can set accurate exposure for high-brightness-range scene...
Converting Color to B&W in Lightroom CC 2018
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates how to convert a color photograph to black & white in Adobe Lightroom 2018, without using specialized B&W conversion plugins, while getting tonality that comes close to B&W film and equals that given by costly plugins. If you found this tutorial useful, please consider a donation so that Chris can continue to produce these free tutorials. Donate through Paypal....
How to Mix Photographers Formulary TF-4 Alkaline Fixer
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In this tutorial, Chris Crawford shows you how to mix Photographers Formulary's unique TF-4 Alkaline Rapid Fixer. This fixer is hard to mix because of the thick sludge of solids found at the bottom of the bottle. If you found this tutorial useful, please consider a donation so that Chris can continue to produce these free tutorials. Donate through Paypal. You do not need a Paypal account, you c...
Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "Mr. Goss" - Start To Finish
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates his process for editing RAW digital camera images in Adobe Lightroom Classic CC. In this video, he edits a portrait of Don Goss, his former high school photography teacher. It was shot under harsh, dim light in the high school's gymnasium that made getting correct white balance and tonality a challenge. Chris shows how to use Lightroom's Adjustment Brush tool t...
Simplified Color Printing on an Epson Printer Using Printer Managed Color
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This tutorial has been superseded by an updated tutorial that uses the current Mac operating system. The Epson printer drivers have changed since I made this earlier video. The new version is here: ua-cam.com/video/DatXFzf_qMU/v-deo.html In an earlier printing tutorial from 2015, Christopher Crawford demonstrated how to make color prints that match your monitor using ICC printing profiles and S...
Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "House Moving" - Start To Finish
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Christopher Crawford demonstrates his process for editing RAW digital camera images in Adobe Lightroom Classic CC. He uses as an example a rural landscape photograph with a very high brightness range. The sky is much brighter than the subject, an old house that is being moved to a new location. Chris tells how he determined the camera exposure for this scene using a hybrid incident/reflected li...
How to Set White Balance With RAW Files in Lightroom and Other Editing Software
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How to Set White Balance With RAW Files in Lightroom and Other Editing Software
Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "Graffiti Dog Train" - Start To Finish
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Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "Graffiti Dog Train" - Start To Finish
How to Post Photos From Flickr To Online Forums
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How to Post Photos From Flickr To Online Forums
Perspective Correction in Lightroom
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Perspective Correction in Lightroom
Black & White Printing With Epson Advanced BW Mode (Mac version)
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Black & White Printing With Epson Advanced BW Mode (Mac version)
How to Download The Best Maps For Photographers
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How to Download The Best Maps For Photographers
Converting Color to Black & White With Nik Silver Efex Pro 2
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Converting Color to Black & White With Nik Silver Efex Pro 2
Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "Welcome to Downtown" - Start To Finish
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Editing a Photo in Lightroom - "Welcome to Downtown" - Start To Finish
How to make color inkjet prints that match the image on your screen
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How to make color inkjet prints that match the image on your screen
How To Convert Photos From Color to Black & White in Photoshop
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How To Convert Photos From Color to Black & White in Photoshop
Thank you. Just bought a used Nikon and auto feeder for 1000's of slides. This is super helpful.
Well done and thank you. This is a most helpful video, allowing me to make much more sense of how to get a good quality raw image out of Vuescan - a process which I have been trying to do since Vusecan was first available, decades ago! One difficulty, for me, though, in this video is the combination of a mumbled diction working against a plosives filter on the author's microphone, with the resultant recording being delivered through UA-cam's mangling algorithms to an ear which has 8 decades of being tuned to BBC-style English. Consequently there are passages where I cannot make out what is being said, even after multiple replays. The 6 plosives in spoken English appear to have been merged into one which is then largely discarded from the rendition. A 90% successful solution is to play the commentary through Michal Kosciesza's Speech Note - which I am using under Linux (mkiol/dsnote on Github q.v.) - to create a good transcript which addresses most of the difficulties. It also produces a few good laughs too, where Speech Note has made an hilarious stab at the meaning of some indistinct passage. The recording also reassured me that it is not just my CoolScan which makes so much noise during focusing and scanning. It's a good scanner but irritatingly noisy and slow in operation which does little to make the uniquely inflated price of these scanners palatable. And don't talk to me about trying to clean the lens! PS: I just read the other comments to find that you have done a superb job in providing a text version of the tutorial, rendering my comments irrelevant - and rightly so. Again, thank you.
So what setting would you select if you are printing in CMYK mode?
That's a good question. The truth is that even though desktop printers all use CMYK insets (well most do, some now have additional colors to extend the gamut beyond what CMYK inks can give), the drivers are not designed to take a CMYK image. They're designed to take an RGB image; the driver then does the conversion to use the printer's inkset. This is because few printers today use just four inks. My Epson P800, for example, uses Cyan, Light Cyan, Magenta, Light Magenta, Yellow, Black (there are actually two black inks, one for matte papers and one for glossy), light black (light gray), and Light Light Black (very light gray). So even if you sent it a CMYK image, it cannot directly translate those values to the CMYK inks in the printer. Because most photo editing is done with RGB images, the printer companies made their drivers to accept RGB images. If you send a CMYK image, the driver will convert it to RGB then do its own internal conversion to the inkset in the printer! Because you have no control over the way the driver does its CMYK to RGB conversion, you'll likely get results that aren't optimal. If you have a CMYK image, convert it to RGB yourself before printing; that way you can choose a rendering intent that works best and can do any adjustments to the color and density needed after the conversion, if necessary, to make it look the way you want. If you absolutely MUST print CMYK images without converting them to RGB first, there are third party software programs called RIPs (raster image processors). These are alternative printer drivers that you use instead of the Epson driver, and they are designed to print CMYK images as faithfully as possible to the original file. They usually support postscript, so they can print Adobe Illustrator and InDesign files directly. I don't know enough about that to recommend one, though. It has been about ten years since I did much graphic design and commercial print work, and I'm sure things have changed a lot since then.
@@christophercrawford777 Hey Chris, appreciate your detailed response. Yes, I was asking as I need to print in CMYK more for graphic design purposes e.g. posters, business card etc. and find it hard getting the colors accurate enough on my Epson 8550 printer. I have tried printer manage colours or Adobe and Afffinity manage colours but the results are still just slightly off. I have found some videos where folks are using their home printer and the results are stop on, weird. They get the program to manage colours. Just trying to get the best results :) Thanks again!
Great video, many good explanations. You use Color balance = White balance. My experience is that autolevels will often give better colors, if you want good colors directly from the scan. It surprises me that the picture does not get any better by the autolevels setting in your video (19.52). Also on the curves it seems like it does not make a real autolevels, only a slight adjustment ( Maybe try another version of Vuescan. Or try to set the black point and white point to 0.1 ). Usually it can make very good colors directly from Vuescan, if it is not old color changed film.
Thanks Chris, this was a fantastic help! Much appreciated that you did the update.
Thanks so much for the explanation, a great help!
Is the work the same for printing e.g flyer, greeting cards in Adobe Indesign or Affinity Publisher?
Would the software work with the old Primefilm 1800u scanner?
I looked on Hamrick Software's website, since I didn't know the answer. It says that the 1800u is supported by Vuescan, but only on Windows, not on Mac, and you have to install a driver that doesn't come with Vuescan. Here's the info page, which has a link to the driver you need to download and install to make the scanner work with Vuescan: www.hamrick.com/vuescan/pie_primefilm_1800u.html#technical-information
Hello Chris, Just a question if I’m on t stop, do I follow the f stop numbers recommended by the meter? 🙏🏿
Short answer is yes but make sure you set the meter reading full stop not in 1/3 stop increments. DTS software shows only full stop readings not 1/3, also you need those tenths to add them later in the dts. When doing the calibration for ambient mode it is best to be in aperture mode priority in light meter. In studio we do the opposite, being in shutter priority and change the aperture to take the shots as needed. Make sure that you close down three stops your aperture from the widest aperture and that is your starting point in calibration, meaning if you lens widest aperture is 2.8 then you have to close it down to f8, put your aperture in light meter and camera at f8 and take a reading and then add the shutter speed in camera that light meter shows you. from there you have to take a shot at f8, one shot at f2.8 (3EV up) and one shot at f22 (3EV down) write down any tenths that meters shows you in incident metering and reflective metering and put them in the dts software.
Is Vuescan better than Nikon Scan or Silverfast? I have got Nikon Scan working on Windows 11 with my LS-40 (Coolscan IV), but the functionality of Nikon Scan is so limited and slow.
For B&W scanning, image quality is about the same between Vuescan and Nikon Scan. For Color negatives, I like Vuescan better. For Color Slides, Nikon Scan has slightly better color rendering. The problem with Nikon Scan is that it is slow and buggy and VERY prone to crashing, often very close to the end of a long scan, forcing you to do it all over again. I'd just use Vuescan. I don't have any experience with Silverfast. Years ago, I looked into it, but they wanted an outrageous amount of money for the version that was needed for the Nikon 8000 scanner I used at the time. I think it was around $800. So I passed on that. At the time, Vuescan was around $80 and it worked well, so I went with that. That was 20 years ago; Vuescan is more expensive now, like all things, but still pretty cheap compared to Silverfast.
Thank you! Definitely helped to make sense of all settings in Vuescan
30 Minutes waste of time
Well, there's always at least one kid in the class who thinks that school is a waste of his time.
A trifle harsh, methinks. Would you care to be more specific about how/where your expectations were not met? Or where erroneous guidance is given?
Eureka! You have no idea how many sheets I have wasted finding the answer to those red shifts on black and white printing from my P600. The answer was there all the time! Thank you for this excellent and thorough tutorial. It's the difference between producing saleable fine art prints and rejects.
I'm glad I could help! I went through all that nearly 25 years ago when I got my first Epson photo printer. When they introduced the Advanced B&W Mode, it made life so much easier! Back then I had to buy a third-party printer driver that cost over $800 to get good B&W prints! I make my living selling my prints, so it paid for itself, but it still hurt having to shell out that kind of money.
GREAT INFO! I have been mostly shooting in JPEG format, but you have convinced me that RAW is definitely the best way to go for White Balance results..THANKS!
Awesome! I'm glad I could help.
Hi. How long would this gallon last for... or how many rolls i can fix with the one gallon? Thank you
Thank you !
Thank you ever so much! This color match was about to drive me nuts.
This would be a lot more value if you used a negative with some color instead of that flat ugly car on a rainy day.
One disadvantage of selecting the highest DPI might be that most cheaper scanner kinda suck, and don't actually produce more quality... so it just slows you down a lot while scanning.
Use a cheap MAGNETIC.stirrer.....really mixes it....
If you have the Commercial Edition with Violet ink instead of Light Light Black, you do not get the option of Advanced Black and White. Do you have a workaround?
Thank you that was very helpful. What format do you save from psp please? Is that also tiff?
This was really helpful. I'm getting back into film photography after a 12 year break and the learning curve of Vuescan is quite high, this definitely saved me some trial and error.
Thank you so much for this video! I’m a film photography novice but decided to make the leap into scanning my own film with a second hand Plustek 7200 and VueScan. This tutorial was a game changer!!
Thanks for this absolutel perfect instruction!
Thank you so much. I just got out my v750 & it's been over 10 years since I've used ot, I had totally forgotten what to do! 😊
You're welcome, glad I could help.
Thank you for this very useful tutorial. I am using version 9.8.32.10 and the menus have been added to. I am struggling with scanning prints, both 100 year old B&W and 1970/80/90's colour where I have no film. Please would you consider a tutorial about scanning prints too?
I've had several people ask, and I plan to do a print scan tutorial soon. I've got a lot of serious health problems and have been sick almost continuously most of 2024. I have some prints my family wants scanned soon, so I will do the tutorial then. I'll comment here when it is ready.
Thank you for the quick reply. I am sorry to hear about your ill health and know how debilitating it can be. Hope you feel able to do the next part soon... @@chrisandsneaky2453
thank you for saying to set the white point to zero, it was blowing out my photos.
where can I get the image you are using for calibration?
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Wow. Your technique looks "violent'... Have you ever had a problem with dark hallo over sprocket holes on the negative?
No, never. I have had serious issues with spots and streaks and uneven development across the frame with gentle agitation.
@@chrisandsneaky2453 With Ilford HC5+ and DDX I experienced dark "halo" over sprocket holes. It's more intense at the beginning of the film (outside part of the spool) and disappears at the end of the film (in the middle of the spool). I have one more roll to process and I will try your technique.
This is out of stock everywhere unfortunately and I have no idea why Sekonic has stopped making them. Is a shame, I have several cameras I'd love to profile with my Sekonic 858..
WOW! Your audio is so low I can't watch the video and listen because I need to put my head to the speaker.
Hello. I can’t get past the hump of knowing if it’s centered or not. I feel 120 is more difficult than 35mm for that reason.
Hello Christopher Thanks for this tutorial which helped considerably in setting up my Canon FS4000 scanner for scanning slides. I have however still been having difficulty bringing out sufficient detail in shadow areas - particularly with underexposed slides ; I tried doing 4 passes as you suggested but found that there was barely any improvement in shadow detail and the shadow areas remain "blocked up". However I came across on another website a reference to the "multi exposure" setting which your tutorial just says to leave unchecked, so I had not previously tried this option. But, according to the VueScan manual, this setting is intended to bring out detail from the shadow areas ; here (between inverted commas) is what the manual says : - "This option provides a way to get additional detail from the darker parts of the scanned image. It is available on scanners that are able to increase the CCD exposure time. A first pass is performed as usual with the normal RGB exposure. This will be an appropriate exposure for the image as a whole. Then a second pass is performed with a longer exposure, which can reveal additional detail in dark areas not captured in the first pass. VueScan then merges the results of the two by choosing from either the first or second exposure pass." Having (albeit only briefly) tried this setting it does indeed seem to produce a scan that compared to a scan without this setting gives a wider range of detail into the shadow, so thought I would bring this to your attention in case you (and others reading this posting) were unaware of this function. Thanks again for taking the trouble to produce a useful tutorial.
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for making this tutorial. My impression is that the goal is to make the scan as close to the desired end result as possible so that the scan has the information to be read in PS or LR. Is that not correct? For example, increasing Brightness to lighten up the shadows, kind of like exposing to the right. I have checked the pixel colors box to see clipping and/or out of gamut and then struggled to fix an issue with the various sliders and the histogram in the Color tab. Do you not do this and rely on PS/LR for the fix? Also, would 64 bit be even better than 48, putting the scan time aside? Thanks again.
Thank you for the excellent tutorial. One small question: with regard to using 48 bit depth, what is your guidance on why not to select 64 bit RGBI. Is it because the "I" in RGBI is for an infrared channel used only for the dust and scratch removal processing? Would using 64 bit RGBI have any advantage over 48 bit otherwise, or would it just unnecessarily bump up file size and/or scan time for no other benefit? Again, thanks again for producing such a concise and informative tutorial.
Thanks Christopher. I just received my Epson V600 today. By watching this I was at least able to use the Epson software to obtain my first scan of a little watercolor painting. Please create a video of taking an old black and white photo and taking it step by step through the scan process, preferably via VueScan, and then finishing the adjustments in Photoshop. If you have a way to donate to you I would be glad to do so. Thanks for your work. Aubrey I found it and made a donation. Thanks again.
On A Mac, it seems Advanced BW mode is only available in Photoshop. DXO, Affinity Photo, and ArtStudio ALL do not show this printer options dropdown.
This is a wealth of information. Thank you! Why don't you save as raw DNG?
[10:09] I've found rotation to be buggy or sticky. For multiple negative scanning operations, I'd recommend, NO adjustment and flip in PS later etc.
I would disagree that scanning B&W in RGB mode only makes a bigger file; it does give a lot more too; maybe your scanner does not need the extra assistance; I'm recently scanning with a flatbed, in RGB mode [by accident] and yes; it is different ~ I'm getting a bronzed effect ~ almost like colour or that Sepia Toning that I never did like, or get right 55 years ago. ~ ;)
That's because the scanner is adding color that is not in the negative. You are NOT getting more shades of gray or more image detail. You can tone a picture in photoshop later and have much more precise control of the color.
thank you so much
My SC-P600 doesn't give me those options in Photoshop but does in the Epson Pirnt Layout App for the Mac.
My settings won't save. I'm doing this through lightroom and when I save the settings they keep reverting back to what they were previously.
I haven't tried it in lightroom. Try it in Photoshop and see if it works there.
You sound like you know what your talking about I need some advice brother, So boom I have 3 inkjet printers, 2 are MICR HP Envy and 3755 Deskjet and the 3rd is just a regular hp smart tank 5000 right. They all have built in scanners but the envy and smart tanks scanners are more better because they have one of those compartments where you have to lift it up and then bring the cover down to scan. SO MY ISSUE IS when I try to scan a colored document or photo it lightens the color of the image and doesn’t scan the exact color. PLEASE TELL ME HOW I FIX THIS!!!! I want all my scanned documents to be identical in color when I print it. What do I do???? I’m hearing about profiles but idk nothing about that
thank you sooo much, you saved my bad scans. Now I have excellent ones
Awesome; I'm glad I could help.
Hi did you make the other video on Advanced profiles thanks mark
I have the same question.
Hi I am watching your video again and you made a very good job of the video and you Describe the procedure very well I have been all over the Internet trying to find how to set up these light metres and your video is the most Understandable procedure on how to set it up I am the same as you I suffer with a lot of illnesses with arthritis and pancreatitis and it makes it so hard to be able to get out like I used to be able to it’s quite sad really where we can get out like we did Years ago but again thank you so much for the video Mark
When I am setting up the sekonic L-858d-u with the new module for flash I think the best way to go is setting up White balance first and then setting up the light meter Next but we’re do I start to get a base line from the start how would you go about this I no I have to take 3 photos Either side three stops under and three stops over can you help me in this Project many thanks Mark