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I recorded the snare drum with 7 microphones for comparison. 5 batter - 2 reso / bottom
In this video, I wanted to place a bunch of mics on the snare drum so that the differences between each mic become apparent. To do this, I placed the Shure SM57, Telefunken m81, Audio-Technica AT3031, Neumann KM184, and the AKG 414xlii on the top or batter side of the drum. I placed another Shure SM57 and a Lewitt LCT 040 on the resonant or snare side of the drum. All of these mics were connected to an Avid Pre and then directly into ProTools via Apogee's Symphony mkii convertors. No EQ or compression has been added. All of the mics on the top of the snare have been positioned so that they are reacting to the sound in the same direction at the same time. For the two bottom mics this was accomplished by inverting the polarity on the mic pre for these two channels and adjusting the distance of the microphones to the bottom head.
I asked Andy to play some single drum hits and looped two of them. This then allows the viewer to hear the same two hits for each microphone, plus a few combinations. Next, I had Andy play a beat. Again, I selected a small segment and looped it so that the viewer could listen to the sound of all of the drums bleeding into the individual and combinations of snare microphones.
I did not mic up the entire kit as I wanted the focus to be solely on the snare drum
Here is a link to a zipped folder containing the 7 audio tracks, one for each mic. There are also blended tracks where either 2 or 3 mics are combined. There are 24bit/96k mono audio files:
drive.google.com/file/d/1svtqxWlSFImx9R-rFAyOsR2D-5iUGUy8/view?usp=sharing
0:00 Intro
0:51 Single drum hits
Drum Beat
2:37 SM57
2:48 M81
2:58 AT3031
3:09 KM184
3:19 414xlii
3:30 SM57(bottom)
3:41 LCT040(bottom)
3:51 SM57+AT3031
4:02 M81+KM184
4:12 SM57+AT3031+LCT040(bottom)
4:23 M81+KM184+SM57(bottom)
Products used in the video:
Shure SM57 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57--shure-sm57-cardioid-dynamic-instrument-microphone
Telefunken M81sh - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M81SH--telefunken-m81-sh
Audio-Technica AT3031 - discontinued - www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at3031
Neumann KM184 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KM184Ni--neumann-km-184-small-diaphragm-cardioid-microphone-nickel
AKG414xlii - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C414XLII--akg-c414-xlii-large-diaphragm-condenser-microphone
Lewitt LCT040 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LCT040MATCH--lewitt-lct-040-match-small-diaphragm-condenser-microphone
Drum Drops 200g - tandemdrums.com/products/drops-200g
X-Clip - www.axemount.com/product-page/the-xclip
I asked Andy to play some single drum hits and looped two of them. This then allows the viewer to hear the same two hits for each microphone, plus a few combinations. Next, I had Andy play a beat. Again, I selected a small segment and looped it so that the viewer could listen to the sound of all of the drums bleeding into the individual and combinations of snare microphones.
I did not mic up the entire kit as I wanted the focus to be solely on the snare drum
Here is a link to a zipped folder containing the 7 audio tracks, one for each mic. There are also blended tracks where either 2 or 3 mics are combined. There are 24bit/96k mono audio files:
drive.google.com/file/d/1svtqxWlSFImx9R-rFAyOsR2D-5iUGUy8/view?usp=sharing
0:00 Intro
0:51 Single drum hits
Drum Beat
2:37 SM57
2:48 M81
2:58 AT3031
3:09 KM184
3:19 414xlii
3:30 SM57(bottom)
3:41 LCT040(bottom)
3:51 SM57+AT3031
4:02 M81+KM184
4:12 SM57+AT3031+LCT040(bottom)
4:23 M81+KM184+SM57(bottom)
Products used in the video:
Shure SM57 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57--shure-sm57-cardioid-dynamic-instrument-microphone
Telefunken M81sh - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M81SH--telefunken-m81-sh
Audio-Technica AT3031 - discontinued - www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at3031
Neumann KM184 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KM184Ni--neumann-km-184-small-diaphragm-cardioid-microphone-nickel
AKG414xlii - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C414XLII--akg-c414-xlii-large-diaphragm-condenser-microphone
Lewitt LCT040 - www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LCT040MATCH--lewitt-lct-040-match-small-diaphragm-condenser-microphone
Drum Drops 200g - tandemdrums.com/products/drops-200g
X-Clip - www.axemount.com/product-page/the-xclip
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No way. The 57 had the most punch and vibe by a long shot. Not to mention it really brought out the kick and snare somehow.
Promo'SM 😜
no me sircio de nada carnal
The 4th one was DEFINITELY the best!
That's the Neumann KM184. That's a fantastic mic on things like overheads, acoustic guitars, violins, hi hats, and snare bottoms. I would never have thought to put it on the snare, but I'm really glad I did on this test. It's a little nerve racking putting a $900 mic where the drummer could easily hit it, but what's the point in having it if you're not going to use it. Thanks so much for watching and the comment.
there is no great way to really do this test. Good thing music doesn't work like that.
I agree. I tried to get the mics super close together and all with the same polarity. I then looped the parts so that there was no variation in the performance. I then level matched the audio so that all of the hits and blends were within 0.1dB. All the mics were using the same mic press and convertors. I really did try to address all of the variables. I'm really glad you took the time to watch and then comment. Thanks - Jamie
good video! this comparison makes me believe that gear doesnt matter, while at the same time i can hear some differences. And i must live with this duality
Thanks for watching. While the differences are subtle, they are there. Listening to the 96k files on gourd quality headphones definitely makes them more apparent than listening on laptop speakers. The duality you speak of is one that all engineers question. Will using a $2000 microphone make the song better than using a $200 microphone. It certainly won't, but at the same time it can. Years ago I rented a Telefunken ELAM 251 to record vocals for an unsigned artist doing a demo. The singer was so impressed with the mic and she gave a fantastic performance. Was it the $20000 microphone, or the fact that someone believed in her enough to use a mic like that? Did the mic sound that much better than my Neumanns? I think ultimately, better gear makes it easier to capture the moment. But if there is a moment of brilliance and all you have is a $100 microphone and you are not recording, the moment is gone forever.
Good old sm57 still doing a fine job i would be happy with any day. (and cheap to buy)
Absolutely! I was really impressed at how little the sound changed between a $100 sm 57 and a $850 km184. In a future video, I will show how the angle of the mic impacts the sound of the 57. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I really thought, in those solo drum hits, that the mics would sound a lot different than each other. The only one that stood out to me as different was the AKG 414. Of course, I'm listening to this through cheap Bose computer speakers. Thanks for the work!
Thanks for the comment Byron. I too thought that there would be a much greater difference. The 414 did sound the best in this test, but man was I nervous having a $1400 mic within striking distance. Download the 9kk files and import them into a DAW. Then you'll really be able to hear the difference.
I’d wanna mix 2-4 tbh. they could sound epic blended well.
All about phase questions. But yes, Neumann is really different between. 🤔👹
@@billygusev2563 yes I agree. (I have zero clue what I’m talking about. But I like the idea those could be mixed for a dry but ambient sound like Dave grohl on songs for the deaf
@@chadgrov mixing distant mics is not simple. You should sync or the distance to the same object (z. B. Snare drum) or later move the track relative to the another same phase movement to have. 👹
@@billygusev2563 now you’re just talking Japanese to me 😂 jokes aside I really wish I wasn’t so “gear-illiterate” play guitar, and you have to be a damn near electrical engineer to understand all the ins and outs of amps and pedals and effects loops and shit. I don’t even know what Ohms are lolol. I am not a smart man - Forrest Gump
@chadgrov - @billygusev2563 is 100% correct. In the longer - long winded - video I describe the recording process. The mics were all positioned at a distance of 9 feet from the center of the snare and a height of approximately 32 inches. this ensures that the mics are responding to the center of the drum sound the same way eg. when the sound pressure wave is pressing on the diaphragm or ribbon of the microphone, both mics are moving in the same direction at the same time. Thanks to everyone for watching my first real upload. I'm in the editing stage of another video on multi-micing the snare drum. That video will actually have 24bit/96k files of the individual and combined sounds.
2:47 I think some of the point with the Glyn Johns, or any other drum miking technique is to have the microphones in the same room as the drumkit. In my 25 years of using that technique I have never heard it sound anything like that. It is a pretty close sounding and detailed drum sound. Quite dry. I think some quality control is in order!
Thanks for watching and the comment.
By default, do you need to crossfade all the audio files in the master playlist?
OMG yesss , thx man !!!!😉😉😉
thanks master
Exactly what I was lookin for thank you boss
Everyone else just talks for 8-10 min to be no help! This was quick & helpful. !
somebody mentioned shift s a few days ago. I didn't know then, but I do know now.
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Thanks man
Thanks
Ok, I must be doing something wrong. I wish you had actually played an instrument to show it working. I found that setting before I found this video but it doesn't work. When I play my bass, the needle doesn't show up to help me tune. What button did I miss?
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Great video buddy. Recently started using pro tools again after 7 years & this video was quite helpful. Thank you.
Thank u so much fammm
Can this be used to tune to 432 hz? Just now learning about 432 hz..
hope youre joking lol
@@DivvyDeluxe sorry for askin
@@dee1380 Have you found out how to tune to 432hz on pro tools? Im looking everywhere cant find anything, only logic and FL
No tuner on my pro tools 11
Thank yoooooou😍😍😍😍
A further option: MBox 3 has a tuner built in. Click on the MBox Control Panel and look to the upper right.
I'm using a paid subscription version of Pro Tools 2018 and this doesn't not work for me. I cannot find the tuner anywhere. The Pro Tools website says that it comes bundled with Pro Tools, yet there is no tuner option anywhere. Help?
same!
same
I have the InTune plug in now, but the only reason I was able to get it was purely random chance - because I bought a brand new Focusrite Scarlett Solo audio interface that had free software and DAW plugins included, and the InTune plugin was one of them. Same with the Eleven Lite amp plugin. It's supposed to be included with Pro Tools 2018 as well, but is also missing. It was also one of the free plugins included with the Focusrite interface.
Best tutorial yet - super easy! Thank you!
Thanks Reggie. If you have any ProTools questions just ask. I'll see if I can make a video to answer it.
Amazing
Thanks!
:/ i didnt knew that...I was about to spend some money on buy one tunner, thanks man!
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