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Funny Money (3/3) UK decimalisation
The story of the UK's switch from pounds, shillings, and pence to decimal currency in 1971. Part 3 of 3.
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Funny Money (2/3) UK decimalisation
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The story of the UK's switch from pounds, shillings, and pence to decimal currency in 1971. Part 2 of 3.
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The story of the UK's switch from pounds, shillings, and pence to decimal currency in 1971. Part 1 of 3.
Britain’s switchover to the Decimal currency was long long overdue they should have switched over back in the 19th century like everyone else there’s a reason why everyone else apart from Britain moved over: It’s simpler to use much easy to add up 100 pence is a pound what could be simpler I think the fact that Britain ruled over a huge empire allowed it to get away with using out of date money and also using the out of date imperial system as a whole
I was 8 years old in Feb 1971, and still have vague memories of decimalisation. Kids took to it like ducks to water, and only my grandmother had problems with it Tabloid hysteria illustrated here is nothing new, it;s still as inaccurate as it was then
They say "With age comes wisdom". Watch this and you'll realise what a load of old crap that is.
It was the convertion back to pre decimal that made the whole thing complex. Instead of just working with the new coins they kept asking how much 9p was in shillings and pence.
These people are hilarious. Every other currency on Earth was decimal by 1971, and every currency in history was inflationary. But inflation was 'invented' the moment a 7p cup of tea cost 3 new pence. Well, thank you for casting the entire world out of Eden there by joining the 18th century, Britain... 🙄
If British banks were using LSD, no wonder there was a problem!
The only things that caused concern for American money were the doing away with silver certificates & pulling all bills above $100 from circulation. 💵
Some of the same attitudes towards immigration, LGBTQ+, climate change, etc. Ah M. Plumb, the great British public are not all as small-minded and bigoted as you were! (not even in the 70's)
And?
It is interesting to speculate - if we had not decimalised in 1971 and were only now considering the move, then it would be quite a different matter. The smallest coin could now be a shilling, so decimalisation would only involve abolishing every coin smaller than a shilling and having a “decimal” shilling of five new pence. In fact, this is the system which was introduced by Pope Pius IX in the States of the Church, which still had pounds shillings and pence when he came to power. The pound (or Lire) was decimalised into 100 centimes, however, the coins continued to carry their value in shillings (or solidi) so that, for example, the half Lire coin had “ten shillings” in the middle and, around the rim, in very small lettering, “50 centimes” (in Italian, of course). This meant that the population could continue to reckon in pounds and shillings, as they were used to.
😂😂😂 nice 👍
The Russian Empire introduced decimal currency in 1704.:Peter the Great was very forward thinking. They adopted the silver dollar (which they called the “Rouble”) divided into 100 Kopeks. The French followed much later, in 1794 and the Americans in 1795.
No more LSD? How the hell else am I going to trip out?
With the introduction of the 50 pence piece the Daily Wail moaned that people would have to have reinforced pockets to cope with the extra weight. With the introduction of the £1.00 coin the Daily Wail moaned that people would have to have reinforced pockets to cope with the extra weight. With the introduction of the £2.00 coin .... guess what? You've got it! The Daily Wail moaned that people would have to have reinforced pockets to cope with the extra weight. Nice to know that our right wing, older people orientated comics have a long record of continuous ridiculousness. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you this is so interesting
12:20 - This idiot thinks the whole world revolves around Britain. He seems to either be stupid and not know, or doesn't want to know that the cost of living is affected by international events. The oil crisis/energy crisis of 1973/74 sent the cost of living rocketing. The 1976 sterling crisis and intervention by the IMF caused more problems, not because of decimal coins, but the lacklustre way of the British economy.
Decimalisation was just a clever way to debase the currency without most people understanding it was happening. Decimal (Base 10) is not good for divisibility, unlike £.S.D., which is very good!
I think keeping the pound along with the shilling and florin helped, I can’t see the 10 shilling conversion being very smooth. I remember doing Lsd in school and buying penny (the old big copper ones) biscuits (digestives) as an extra at lunch. The problem was that money back then was worth something so rounding meant something. Today a shilling is practically worth nothing.
I remember my grandmother telling me sixpence was now 2 1/2 new pee.
I’ve still got a 10/- note someplace.
I remember my grandmother telling me it wasn't a matter of age about who got it and who didn't. Some people could get their head round it and some people just couldn't. She said the lady she worked with in the local corner shop just couldn't understand it, but she thought it was quite easy because "all you had to do was count to 100"
It's amazing looking back on these things. A bit like resistance to same sex marriage, once it became real it was like it never was a problem. Listening to people like Mr Plumb it was almost as if the sun would refuse to rise the next day.
Noel Moore was the happy and capable man everyone needs to launch a new project
Yes ✋😂😂😂😂😂
Now the USA needs to convert to metric
@jbw53191 Never! lol
When I was in Northern Ireland, I was still seeing distance signs and speed signs denominated in miles; the beam in thine own eye!
Ironically, the vast majority of British people alive today would be largely unfamiliar with the old money. Decimal currency is all they have ever known.
If you were born after Decimalisation why would you? It's not like anyone has been clambering to go back to the old system. It was crazy.
I see that on quiz shows. When asked questions like "What is a Gross" Faces go completely blank.
I was born after, pre decimal 240 divides better than 100, ask any Maths lover!
No it wasn’t. It was actually quite easy to use in practice.
7:01 waiting for the phones to ring - nothing happened because no one knew their phone number.
its the way that america stick with weight in pounds
It's about time the UK left yank-land to the MPH and you turned to kph like your neighbours in Europe. 😘
It was supposed to happen decades ago, but successive governments kept kicking the can down the road, because they didn't want to pay to replace/alter all the road signs.
@@Nickcooper625 Well, if Oz could afford it.
You lot are going to drop your drawers when you change to kilometers per hour instead of MPH. 😂😂 It will happen you know, I had to do it fifty years ago in Australia.
We also did it almost 50 years ago in Canada.
I thought you poms did it all wrong. You seemed to halve every note and coin where as in in Oz we just made everything the same as it was. A ten bob note became a dollar. A shilling bit was ten cents. Five cents was sixpence. They all looked the same and were about the same value.
At least they kept the £.
@@Make_Australia_British_Again Yeah, OK. If you say so.
Maybe Paul Plumb had a point. Considering he was selling shirts in his shop for 27/- (£1.35 post decimalisation), now you’ll be lucky to get a decent shirt for £27.00. Inflation sky rocketed after decimalisation and is still doing so. We’ve been conned folks. Up the Empire!
1 pound in 1971 would be 12 in 2023. That would make 1,35 about 16,20. YOu can definitely still find an okay shirt for 16 pounds.
As we all must know the way to make a potentially boring subject interesting is to randomly associate it with sex/attractive females 🙄
In July 1967, UK government decided to adopt the £1 = 100 pence system. This meant that each of the 20 shillings in a Pound shall be devalued from 12 pence to 5 pence. The market's reaction on this was swift. They sold their British Pounds in exchange for US dollars. In November 1967, the British Pound was devalued from £1=$2.80 to £1=$2.40.
Utter nonsense. The Decimal Currency Act 1967 became law on 14 July 1967, but the devaluation of Sterling wasn't until 18 November, four months later, and devaluation was a measure imposed by the UK government, not a reaction by the markets. Actual decimalisation did not devalue the Pound, as it was a 1:1 equivalent, regardless of going from 240 pennies to 100 pence; shilling coins, worth one-twentieth of a pound, were the direct equivalent of 5 new pence, and thus still one-twentieth of a pound.
For more than a thousand years, from the year 775 AD until 14-February 1971, England used the Carolingian monetary system. During those years, a Pound was worth 240 pence. This currency system continued until the formation of Great Britain (1700s) and United Kingdom (1800s). 1 Pound = 20 shillings 1 Shilling = 12 pence A penny is further divided into half penny and one-fourth penny called farthing. If the price of an item cost less than a shilling (pence only), it is written as 11d, 10d, 9d, 5¼d, etc. The letter "d" means "denarius". It is the Latin word for the standard silver coin introduced by the Romans. If the price has both shillings and pence, it is written with slash (/) as separator. Example: 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as 15/6. If the price is exactly 15 shillings without pence, it is written as 15/- If the price has pounds, shillings and pence, the separator can either be slash (/) or dash (-). Example: 2 pounds, 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as £2/15/6 or £2-15-6. When adding prices, you should have memorised the 12 Times Table to be able to add prices. For example, you bought 5 items in a supermarket: Item#1 is 15/7 Item#2 is 16/8 Item#3 is 17/9 Item#4 is 18/10 Item#5 is 19/11 Total in shillings and pence: 88/9 Total in £sd: £4/8/9 By adding all the shillings and all the pence, you will get a total of 85 shillings and 45 pence. To get the exact amount in shillings and pence, you need to think how many shillings are there in 45 pence. The answer is 3 shillings with a remainder of 9 pence. Add 3 shillings to 85 shillings; you'll get a total of 88 shillings. Therefore, the total amount you bought in the supermarket was 88 shillings and 9 pence (88/9) or 4 Pounds 8 shillings 9 pence (£4/8/9). This is the reason why back in the days, British children were taught to memorise the 12 Times Table. To make it simple, the old money of Britain was similar to the height of a person expressed in feet and inches. Examples: 5'7, 5'9, 5'11, 6'2. The amount in shillings is similar to the number of feet while the amount in pence is similar to the number of inches. A lot of people born after 1971 (or not yet an adult in 1971) thought that the Pounds, Shillings and Pence was a very difficult system when it was still in use in Britain. Videos in youtube always give the impression that it was a very complicated system. Someone even made a comment that it would be very difficult to give change if you are selling an item worth £1/5/9 (1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence) and the customer gave you a £5 note. hahahahaha... His comment shows that he did not live during the pre-decimal era. In schools, children were taught the arithmetic of the Pounds, Shillings and Pence system but in reality people in Britain don't count money in Pounds in their everyday lives; they only count in shillings and pence. It should be noted that after World War-2, there were only 3 banknotes in Britain: 10-shilling note, £1 note (20 shillings) and £5 note (100 shillings). The £10 note (200 shillings) was only re-introduced in 1964 while the £20 note (400 shillings) was re-introduced in 1970. During the pre-decimal era, prices in street markets, stores, supermarkets, department stores and even petrol stations were expressed in shillings and pence only. At Harrods or Marks & Spencer, you would see the prices of items were 67/8, 45/6, 54/10, 49/11, etc. The "Pounds, Shillings and Pence" will only show on the cash register during check out. In street markets, there were no cash registers, sellers just count and compute for change in their heads or using a pen and paper. During that time, shilling was the de facto main unit of currency while the Pound was the de facto superunit. The Pound as the de jure main unit of currency was only expressed in prices of expensive products such as TVs, refrigerators, cars, etc., in real estate properties and in big business transactions especially in international trade and commerce. If an item only costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence, it would be written as 25/9 instead of £1/5/9. If the customer gave a £5 note which is equivalent to 100 shillings, the customer's change is obviously 74/3. The seller would then give the customer three £1 notes (60 shillings), one 10-shilling note, two florin coins (4 shillings) and a 3-pence coin. For the sake of that guy's curiosity on how to compute for the change if the price of an item is expressed in Pounds Shillings and Pence, here's how it works: When it comes to giving or receiving a change, you only need to remember 20 and 12. There are 20 shillings in a Pound and there are 12 pence in a shilling. If the price of an item costs 1 Pound and 5 shillings (£1/5/-) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up £1 (1 becomes 2) and then subtract it from £5 (5-2=3). Subtract 5/- from 20/- (20-5=15). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds and 15 shillings (£3/15/-) If the price of an item costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence (£1/5/9) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up both £1 (1 becomes 2) and 5/- (5 becomes 6). Subtract £2 from £5 (5-2=3) and subtract 6/- from 20/- (20-6=14). Subtract 9 pence from 12 pence (12-9=3). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds 14 shillings and 3 pence (£3/14/3) From a currency similar to feet and inches (like a person's height) to a currency based on 10s and 100s. This is the reason why a lot of people in Britain find it hard to adjust when decimalisation was implemented in 1971 plus the fact that the decimalisation format used by the British government was flawed. From a very flexible denomination of 240 pence to a Pound, the British government chose a cramped 100 "new pence" to a Pound. On 15-February 1971, the shilling was devalued to 5 "new pence" (no longer 12) so that one Pound would be equivalent to 100 "new pence". Among former British colonies that transitioned to decimal currency, Ghana is the best. Ghana's decimal currency called Cedi (₵) is equivalent to 8 shillings and 4 pence (8/4) or 100 pence. Therefore, all the old pence are equally convertible to the new decimal currency. No need to worry about adjustment of prices; only the name of the currency and its denomination will change. 8/4 is ₵1.00 which means one Ghanaian Pound is equal to two Cedis and 40 pesewa (£1=₵2.40). In 1970, Bermuda Islands followed Ghana's decimalisation format. One Bermudian Pound is equal to two Bermudian Dollars and 40 cents (£1=$2.40). When South Africa decimalised the South African Pound, it converted 10 shillings (120 pence) to the new currency called Rand. 120 pence were converted to 100 cents. A little adjustment needs to be made when it comes to pricing and balancing bank accounts because 1.20 pence shall be equivalent to 1 cent. One South African Pound is equal to two South African Rands (£1=R2.00). South Africa's format of decimalisation from Pounds to the new decimalised currency was followed by Australia, New Zealand and Nigeria. Britain did the worst decimalisation format. Britain converted 20 shillings (240 pence) to 100 pence. Inflation was the result. The government of Prime Minister Harold Wilson was too afraid to lose the Pound as Britain's currency that's why he followed the advice of the Bank of England to retain the Pound. BOE and Harold Wilson did not follow the format of Ghana's new decimalised currency based on 8/4 (100 pence) nor South Africa's version of decimalised currency based on 10/- (120 pence converted to 100 cents). Instead, Britain decimalised the Pound by shrinking its value from 240 pence to 100 pence only. Some people in Britain even thought that the value of their money/income has diminished because in every shilling they spend (5 new pence) they were ripped off by the government for 7 pence. Devaluing the shilling from 12 pence to 5 pence was not a joke especially during the time when prices were still cheap. The ill-conceived decimalisation of the Pound in 1971 was one of the "ingredients" of the economic disaster of Britain during the turbulent decade of the 1970s. It may not be the main reason but it contributed to the economic crisis during that time. Maybe it's true that 10 is simpler than 12 or the decimal currency system is simpler than imperial currency system but the transition of Britain to decimal currency system in 1971 was NOT simple.
You clearly haven't even bothered to watch the documentary.
Most people still use pounds and stones to measure their weight. No one ever suggests that it is “too complicated” to have a stone divided into fourteen pounds.
@@Mark3ABE I use imperial and metric in turn when weighing myself.
Wow. Very, very well broken down. Top comment.
She has very nice thruppenny bits.
For more than a thousand years, from the year 775 AD until 14-February 1971, England used the Carolingian monetary system. During those years, a Pound was worth 240 pence. This currency system continued until the formation of Great Britain (1700s) and United Kingdom (1800s). 1 Pound = 20 shillings 1 Shilling = 12 pence A penny is further divided into half penny and one-fourth penny called farthing. If the price of an item cost less than a shilling (pence only), it is written as 11d, 10d, 9d, 5¼d, etc. The letter "d" means "denarius". It is the Latin word for the standard silver coin introduced by the Romans. If the price has both shillings and pence, it is written with slash (/) as separator. Example: 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as 15/6. If the price is exactly 15 shillings without pence, it is written as 15/- If the price has pounds, shillings and pence, the separator can either be slash (/) or dash (-). Example: 2 pounds, 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as £2/15/6 or £2-15-6. When adding prices, you should have memorised the 12 Times Table to be able to add prices. For example, you bought 5 items in a supermarket: Item#1 is 15/7 Item#2 is 16/8 Item#3 is 17/9 Item#4 is 18/10 Item#5 is 19/11 Total in shillings and pence: 88/9 Total in £sd: £4/8/9 By adding all the shillings and all the pence, you will get a total of 85 shillings and 45 pence. To get the exact amount in shillings and pence, you need to think how many shillings are there in 45 pence. The answer is 3 shillings with a remainder of 9 pence. Add 3 shillings to 85 shillings; you'll get a total of 88 shillings. Therefore, the total amount you bought in the supermarket was 88 shillings and 9 pence (88/9) or 4 Pounds 8 shillings 9 pence (£4/8/9). This is the reason why back in the days, British children were taught to memorise the 12 Times Table. To make it simple, the old money of Britain was similar to the height of a person expressed in feet and inches. Examples: 5'7, 5'9, 5'11, 6'2. The amount in shillings is similar to the number of feet while the amount in pence is similar to the number of inches. A lot of people born after 1971 (or not yet an adult in 1971) thought that the Pounds, Shillings and Pence was a very difficult system when it was still in use in Britain. Videos in youtube always give the impression that it was a very complicated system. Someone even made a comment that it would be very difficult to give change if you are selling an item worth £1/5/9 (1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence) and the customer gave you a £5 note. hahahahaha... His comment shows that he did not live during the pre-decimal era. In schools, children were taught the arithmetic of the Pounds, Shillings and Pence system but in reality people in Britain don't count money in Pounds in their everyday lives; they only count in shillings and pence. It should be noted that after World War-2, there were only 3 banknotes in Britain: 10-shilling note, £1 note (20 shillings) and £5 note (100 shillings). The £10 note (200 shillings) was only re-introduced in 1964 while the £20 note (400 shillings) was re-introduced in 1970. During the pre-decimal era, prices in street markets, stores, supermarkets, department stores and even petrol stations were expressed in shillings and pence only. At Harrods or Marks & Spencer, you would see the prices of items were 67/8, 45/6, 54/10, 49/11, etc. The "Pounds, Shillings and Pence" will only show on the cash register during check out. In street markets, there were no cash registers, sellers just count and compute for change in their heads or using a pen and paper. During that time, shilling was the de facto main unit of currency while the Pound was the de facto superunit. The Pound as the de jure main unit of currency was only expressed in prices of expensive products such as TVs, refrigerators, cars, etc., in real estate properties and in big business transactions especially in international trade and commerce. If an item only costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence, it would be written as 25/9 instead of £1/5/9. If the customer gave a £5 note which is equivalent to 100 shillings, the customer's change is obviously 74/3. The seller would then give the customer three £1 notes (60 shillings), one 10-shilling note, two florin coins (4 shillings) and a 3-pence coin. For the sake of that guy's curiosity on how to compute for the change if the price of an item is expressed in Pounds Shillings and Pence, here's how it works: When it comes to giving or receiving a change, you only need to remember 20 and 12. There are 20 shillings in a Pound and there are 12 pence in a shilling. If the price of an item costs 1 Pound and 5 shillings (£1/5/-) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up £1 (1 becomes 2) and then subtract it from £5 (5-2=3). Subtract 5/- from 20/- (20-5=15). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds and 15 shillings (£3/15/-) If the price of an item costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence (£1/5/9) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up both £1 (1 becomes 2) and 5/- (5 becomes 6). Subtract £2 from £5 (5-2=3) and subtract 6/- from 20/- (20-6=14). Subtract 9 pence from 12 pence (12-9=3). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds 14 shillings and 3 pence (£3/14/3) From a currency similar to feet and inches (like a person's height) to a currency based on 10s and 100s. This is the reason why a lot of people in Britain find it hard to adjust when decimalisation was implemented in 1971 plus the fact that the decimalisation format used by the British government was flawed. From a very flexible denomination of 240 pence to a Pound, the British government chose a cramped 100 "new pence" to a Pound. On 15-February 1971, the shilling was devalued to 5 "new pence" (no longer 12) so that one Pound would be equivalent to 100 "new pence". Among former British colonies that transitioned to decimal currency, Ghana is the best. Ghana's decimal currency called Cedi (₵) is equivalent to 8 shillings and 4 pence (8/4) or 100 pence. Therefore, all the old pence are equally convertible to the new decimal currency. No need to worry about adjustment of prices; only the name of the currency and its denomination will change. 8/4 is ₵1.00 which means one Ghanaian Pound is equal to two Cedis and 40 pesewa (£1=₵2.40). In 1970, Bermuda Islands followed Ghana's decimalisation format. One Bermudian Pound is equal to two Bermudian Dollars and 40 cents (£1=$2.40). When South Africa decimalised the South African Pound, it converted 10 shillings (120 pence) to the new currency called Rand. 120 pence were converted to 100 cents. A little adjustment needs to be made when it comes to pricing and balancing bank accounts because 1.20 pence shall be equivalent to 1 cent. One South African Pound is equal to two South African Rands (£1=R2.00). South Africa's format of decimalisation from Pounds to the new decimalised currency was followed by Australia, New Zealand and Nigeria. Britain did the worst decimalisation format. Britain converted 20 shillings (240 pence) to 100 pence. Inflation was the result. The government of Prime Minister Harold Wilson was too afraid to lose the Pound as Britain's currency that's why he followed the advice of the Bank of England to retain the Pound. BOE and Harold Wilson did not follow the format of Ghana's new decimalised currency based on 8/4 (100 pence) nor South Africa's version of decimalised currency based on 10/- (120 pence converted to 100 cents). Instead, Britain decimalised the Pound by shrinking its value from 240 pence to 100 pence only. Some people in Britain even thought that the value of their money/income has diminished because in every shilling they spend (5 new pence) they were ripped off by the government for 7 pence. Devaluing the shilling from 12 pence to 5 pence was not a joke especially during the time when prices were still cheap. The ill-conceived decimalisation of the Pound in 1971 was one of the "ingredients" of the economic disaster of Britain during the turbulent decade of the 1970s. It may not be the main reason but it contributed to the economic crisis during that time. Maybe it's true that 10 is simpler than 12 or the decimal currency system is simpler than imperial currency system but the transition of Britain to decimal currency system in 1971 was NOT simple.
Wow, that’s not a comment, it’s an entire Wikipedia article 😂😂😂
A fabulous explanation well done
Don’t talk bollocks the old system was shite
Man, all that is just nuts. You're making a pitch for something you're suggesting was 'simple' without stopping to ask yourself why every country in the world that once used it dumped it. Look how long it took you to explain all that. Here's the corresponding modern article: _British currency consisted of a base unit called the pound, which was divided into subunits of 1/100th of its value called a penny (pl. pence). Prices were shown in pounds with the pence indicated after a decimal: £2.39; two pounds a thirty-nine pence. Prices below the value of a pound could be shown in pence only: 67p; sixty-seven pence. Pound values were denominated in paper notes of varying whole-number values. For convenience's sake, coins of certain pence values were also minted; e.g., 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p._ The end. I've got that down and I'm not even British.
For more than a thousand years, from the year 775 AD until 14-February 1971, England used the Carolingian monetary system. During those years, a Pound was worth 240 pence. This currency system continued until the formation of Great Britain (1700s) and United Kingdom (1800s). 1 Pound = 20 shillings 1 Shilling = 12 pence A penny is further divided into half penny and one-fourth penny called farthing. If the price of an item cost less than a shilling (pence only), it is written as 11d, 10d, 9d, 5¼d, etc. The letter "d" means "denarius". It is the Latin word for the standard silver coin introduced by the Romans. If the price has both shillings and pence, it is written with slash (/) as separator. Example: 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as 15/6. If the price is exactly 15 shillings without pence, it is written as 15/- If the price has pounds, shillings and pence, the separator can either be slash (/) or dash (-). Example: 2 pounds, 15 shillings and 6 pence is written as £2/15/6 or £2-15-6. When adding prices, you should have memorised the 12 Times Table to be able to add prices. For example, you bought 5 items in a supermarket: Item#1 is 15/7 Item#2 is 16/8 Item#3 is 17/9 Item#4 is 18/10 Item#5 is 19/11 Total in shillings and pence: 88/9 Total in £sd: £4/8/9 By adding all the shillings and all the pence, you will get a total of 85 shillings and 45 pence. To get the exact amount in shillings and pence, you need to think how many shillings are there in 45 pence. The answer is 3 shillings with a remainder of 9 pence. Add 3 shillings to 85 shillings; you'll get a total of 88 shillings. Therefore, the total amount you bought in the supermarket was 88 shillings and 9 pence (88/9) or 4 Pounds 8 shillings 9 pence (£4/8/9). This is the reason why back in the days, British children were taught to memorise the 12 Times Table. To make it simple, the old money of Britain was similar to the height of a person expressed in feet and inches. Examples: 5'7, 5'9, 5'11, 6'2. The amount in shillings is similar to the number of feet while the amount in pence is similar to the number of inches. A lot of people born after 1971 (or not yet an adult in 1971) thought that the Pounds, Shillings and Pence was a very difficult system when it was still in use in Britain. Videos in youtube always give the impression that it was a very complicated system. Someone even made a comment that it would be very difficult to give change if you are selling an item worth £1/5/9 (1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence) and the customer gave you a £5 note. hahahahaha... His comment shows that he did not live during the pre-decimal era. In schools, children were taught the arithmetic of the Pounds, Shillings and Pence system but in reality people in Britain don't count money in Pounds in their everyday lives; they only count in shillings and pence. It should be noted that after World War-2, there were only 3 banknotes in Britain: 10-shilling note, £1 note (20 shillings) and £5 note (100 shillings). The £10 note (200 shillings) was only re-introduced in 1964 while the £20 note (400 shillings) was re-introduced in 1970. During the pre-decimal era, prices in street markets, stores, supermarkets, department stores and even petrol stations were expressed in shillings and pence only. At Harrods or Marks & Spencer, you would see the prices of items were 67/8, 45/6, 54/10, 49/11, etc. The "Pounds, Shillings and Pence" will only show on the cash register during check out. In street markets, there were no cash registers, sellers just count and compute for change in their heads or using a pen and paper. During that time, shilling was the de facto main unit of currency while the Pound was the de facto superunit. The Pound as the de jure main unit of currency was only expressed in prices of expensive products such as TVs, refrigerators, cars, etc., in real estate properties and in big business transactions especially in international trade and commerce. If an item only costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence, it would be written as 25/9 instead of £1/5/9. If the customer gave a £5 note which is equivalent to 100 shillings, the customer's change is obviously 74/3. The seller would then give the customer three £1 notes (60 shillings), one 10-shilling note, two florin coins (4 shillings) and a 3-pence coin. For the sake of that guy's curiosity on how to compute for the change if the price of an item is expressed in Pounds Shillings and Pence, here's how it works: When it comes to giving or receiving a change, you only need to remember 20 and 12. There are 20 shillings in a Pound and there are 12 pence in a shilling. If the price of an item costs 1 Pound and 5 shillings (£1/5/-) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up £1 (1 becomes 2) and then subtract it from £5 (5-2=3). Subtract 5/- from 20/- (20-5=15). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds and 15 shillings (£3/15/-) If the price of an item costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence (£1/5/9) and the money given by the customer was £5, round-up both £1 (1 becomes 2) and 5/- (5 becomes 6). Subtract £2 from £5 (5-2=3) and subtract 6/- from 20/- (20-6=14). Subtract 9 pence from 12 pence (12-9=3). Therefore, the customer's change is 3 Pounds 14 shillings and 3 pence (£3/14/3) From a currency similar to feet and inches (like a person's height) to a currency based on 10s and 100s. This is the reason why a lot of people in Britain find it hard to adjust when decimalisation was implemented in 1971 plus the fact that the decimalisation format used by the British government was flawed. From a very flexible denomination of 240 pence to a Pound, the British government chose a cramped 100 "new pence" to a Pound. On 15-February 1971, the shilling was devalued to 5 "new pence" (no longer 12) so that one Pound would be equivalent to 100 "new pence". Among former British colonies that transitioned to decimal currency, Ghana is the best. Ghana's decimal currency called Cedi (₵) is equivalent to 8 shillings and 4 pence (8/4) or 100 pence. Therefore, all the old pence are equally convertible to the new decimal currency. No need to worry about adjustment of prices; only the name of the currency and its denomination will change. 8/4 is ₵1.00 which means one Ghanaian Pound is equal to two Cedis and 40 pesewa (£1=₵2.40). In 1970, Bermuda Islands followed Ghana's decimalisation format. One Bermudian Pound is equal to two Bermudian Dollars and 40 cents (£1=$2.40). When South Africa decimalised the South African Pound, it converted 10 shillings (120 pence) to the new currency called Rand. 120 pence were converted to 100 cents. A little adjustment needs to be made when it comes to pricing and balancing bank accounts because 1.20 pence shall be equivalent to 1 cent. One South African Pound is equal to two South African Rands (£1=R2.00). South Africa's format of decimalisation from Pounds to the new decimalised currency was followed by Australia, New Zealand and Nigeria. Britain did the worst decimalisation format. Britain converted 20 shillings (240 pence) to 100 pence. Inflation was the result. The government of Prime Minister Harold Wilson was too afraid to lose the Pound as Britain's currency that's why he followed the advice of the Bank of England to retain the Pound. BOE and Harold Wilson did not follow the format of Ghana's new decimalised currency based on 8/4 (100 pence) nor South Africa's version of decimalised currency based on 10/- (120 pence converted to 100 cents). Instead, Britain decimalised the Pound by shrinking its value from 240 pence to 100 pence only. Some people in Britain even thought that the value of their money/income has diminished because in every shilling they spend (5 new pence) they were ripped off by the government for 7 pence. Devaluing the shilling from 12 pence to 5 pence was not a joke especially during the time when prices were still cheap. The ill-conceived decimalisation of the Pound in 1971 was one of the "ingredients" of the economic disaster of Britain during the turbulent decade of the 1970s. It may not be the main reason but it contributed to the economic crisis during that time. Maybe it's true that 10 is simpler than 12 or the decimal currency system is simpler than imperial currency system but the transition of Britain to decimal currency system in 1971 was NOT simple.
Wow, well said. Im from across the pond, and I am a avid collector of the old British silver coins, mostly the post 1919, and pre-1947, so 50% silver, and I do have some numismatic coins like the double florins of Queen Victoria, and I have studied a bit about the old L,S,D system and have found it so intriguing, and once I read that the British government reduced the pound to 100pence to the pound instead of the 240pence, I was like "man they just devalued their currency by 140pence" which they just double the currency supply, which is the reason for their financial troubles, just like here in the US when they debased our dollar in 1965, (we had to print more money to pay for wars) prior to that our money were made from silver, we were on the gold standard like most of the world, until 1971, when our president Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard ending Breton Woods, which started our financial troubles, we printed more it got us out, then it did more troubles and we printed more and added more laws to make banks, and other financial institutions to get bigger and more powerful, then there as the recession of 2008 and we printed more money, and now we have the highest inflation in 50 years; so it made me think that at this time (1965-1971) the world decided to devalue their currencies, remove precious metals from the people so they can print and create inflation to payoff debt.
I hated losing the old money. It allowed shops to get away with bigger price rises because in pre decimal days people noticed if something increased from one shilling and something to two shillings and something whereas now it’s not so noticeable.
I’m sure he’s pointing at Barbara’s thrupenny bits at 0:20.
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I think that there should have been a referendum on Decimalisation. Without being disrespectful there was a lot of animosity towards new money
There was a need for Britain to change their style of currency before they would enter what we now know was the european union. I believe this is why no referendum was held, as it would be a referendum on whether we would join what was then known as the EEC.
Why? There weren't referendums in any of the former British territories when they switched from the pound to their own decimal currencies.
@@johnking5174 So you have any sources to back that up?
Dear Mr Plumb, We are now using things called computers that can only work in base-10, hence why we are abandoning Lsd. As did SA, Aus, NZ. Not because of communism or the EEC. Thanks 1971
That's a stupid statement - computers don't work in base 10 (decimal)! Base 10 is a very bad for divisibility, unlike £.S.D., which is very good! Computers operate in binary powers of 2, and programming bases of 2 (binary), 8 (octal) and 16 (hexadecimal) etc. Computers easily cope with £.S.D. It's just handling numbers which computers are very good at.
Dear Mr Plumb, how is business these days? 😆
@@foxmoongaze Indeed one of the major banks in the UK (I believe Lloyds) still uses an L.s.d system underneath! (This may have changed in the last ten years or so, but was true until quite recently)
Let's go back to LSD for shits and giggles
LSD will will make you giggle and shit, alright. Just ask the Beatles. :)
LOL published on Feb 15, 2021 - Brilliant
I think the clip at the end is the most illustrative. Plumb was wrong and it showed how complex the old system really was. I also think it’s work noting that everything over a pound was base 10.
The first decimal banknotes aka series d, was introduced in the UK was the £20 from 9-7-1970, the £5 note on remembrance day 1971, the £10 note on the 20-2-1975, the £1 on the 9-2-1978 & the £50 on the 20-3-1981.
Thanks for posting. I was born in 1973. I'm shocked to learn that £50's only appeared in 1981. To be honest I don't remember seeing one until around 1989 when I left school.
Harold Wilson was the prime minister when the 1st decimal coins released 3 years before decimalisation, 5 & 10 pence coins released in April 1968 & a year later is the 50 pence coin. It was his successor Edward Heath made Britain decimalised.
Wrong ... This documentary explains that the conservative's tried and failed with decimalization in the early 1960s. It was when Labour came to power in 1964 the process of decimalization was put into place (again as this documentary says) when the conservative's won the June 1970 general election, they could not stop the process as it would conclude within 7 months in February 1971... Look again at this documentary as it gives you the facts!.
It was introduced by the Labour government and too late to change by the time Heath got into power. Saying Heath decimalised Britain is disingenuous.
@@zeddeka labour had a large margin in 1966
@th8257 labour introduced the decimal coins in April 1968 but it hasn't decimalised properly until February 1971
It was this documentary got aired 4 months before Tony Blair got re-elected.
What do you think is the relevance of that?
@@Nickcooper625 30 years of decimalisation in the UK & the election was on the 7th about 4 months later
This was from 2001
Be nice to swap it back to LSD..."what a "trip"
If I had been on the helm, I would have introduced 100, 500, 1.000 etc. pence notes, dropped the shilling for a 20p coin, made the pound notes "special order", and be done with it. ;)
I served petrol in a garage in the old £sd days. The pumps there had indicators that not only showed the amount of fuel being pumped in gallons and fractions of gallons, but also showed the price, but only in shilling and pence. So if someone filled up it would show, for the example, 27/10d which would translate as £1"7s"10d. Alot of things back then were advertised using only shillings and pence omitting the use of the word pound. Prices displayed as, say 39/11d (£1"19"11) or 29/6d (£1"9"6) were commonplace.
Before decimalisation, £1 = 20 shillings; 1 shilling = 12 pence. Therefore, £1 = 240 pence. On 15-February 1971, the shilling was devalued to 5 "new pence" (no longer 12), which means £1 = 100 "new pence". A lot of people born after 1971 (or not yet an adult in 1971) thought that the Pounds, Shillings and Pence was a very difficult system when it was still in use in Britain. Videos in youtube always give the impression that it was a very complicated system. Someone even made a comment that it would be very difficult to give change if you are selling an item worth £1/5/9 (1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence) and the customer gave you a £5 note. hahahahaha... His comment shows that he did not live during the pre-decimal era. In schools, children were taught the arithmetic of the Pounds, Shillings and Pence system but in reality people in Britain don't count money in Pounds in their everyday lives; they only count in shillings and pence. It should be noted that after World War-2, there were only 3 banknotes in Britain: 10-shilling note, £1 note (20 shillings) and £5 note (100 shillings). The £10 note (200 shillings) was only re-introduced in 1964 while the £20 note (400 shillings) was re-introduced in 1970. During the pre-decimal era, prices in street markets, stores, supermarkets, department stores and even petrol stations were expressed in shillings and pence only. At Harrods or Marks & Spencer, you would see the prices of items were 67/8, 45/6, 54/10, 49/11, etc. The "Pounds, Shillings and Pence" will only show on the cash register during check out. In street markets, there were no cash registers, sellers just count and compute for change in their heads or using a pen and paper. During that time, shilling was the de facto main unit of currency while the Pound was the de facto superunit. The Pound as the de jure main unit of currency was only expressed in prices of expensive products such as TVs, refrigerators, cars, etc., in real estate properties and in big business transactions especially in international trade and commerce. If an item only costs 1 Pound 5 shillings and 9 pence, it would be written as 25/9 instead of £1/5/9. If the customer gave a £5 note which is equivalent to 100 shillings, the customer's change is obviously 74/3. The seller would then give the customer three £1 notes (60 shillings), one 10-shilling note, two florin coins (4 shillings) and a 3-pence coin. To make it simple, the old money of Britain was similar to the height of a person expressed in feet and inches. Examples: 5'7, 5'9, 5'11, 6'2. The amount in shillings is similar to the number of feet while the amount in pence is similar to the number of inches. From a currency similar to feet and inches to a currency based on 10s and 100s. This is the reason why a lot of people in Britain find it hard to adjust when decimalisation was implemented in 1971 plus the fact that the decimalisation format used by the British government was flawed. From a very flexible denomination of 240 pence to a Pound, the British government chose a cramped 100 "new pence" to a Pound. Among former British colonies that transitioned to decimal currency, Ghana is the best. Ghana's decimal currency called Cedi (₵) is equivalent to 8 shillings and 4 pence (8/4) or 100 pence. Therefore, all the old pence are equally convertible to the new decimal currency. No need to worry about adjustment of prices; only the name of the currency and its denomination will change. 8/4 is ₵1.00 which means one Ghanaian Pound is equal to two Cedis and 40 pesewa (£1=₵2.40). In 1970, Bermuda Islands followed Ghana's decimalisation format. One Bermudian Pound is equal to two Bermudian Dollars and 40 cents (£1=$2.40). When South Africa decimalised the South African Pound, it converted 10 shillings (120 pence) to the new currency called Rand. 120 pence were converted to 100 cents. A little adjustment needs to be made when it comes to pricing and balancing bank accounts because 1.20 pence shall be equivalent to 1 cent. One South African Pound is equal to two South African Rands (£1=R2.00). South Africa's format of decimalisation from Pounds to the new decimalised currency was followed by Australia, New Zealand and Nigeria. Britain did the worst decimalisation format. Britain converted 20 shillings (240 pence) to 100 pence. Inflation was the result. The government of Prime Minister Harold Wilson was too afraid to lose the Pound as Britain's currency that's why he followed the advice of the Bank of England to retain the Pound. BOE and Harold Wilson did not follow the format of Ghana's new decimalised currency based on 8/4 (100 pence) nor South Africa's version of decimalised currency based on 10/- (120 pence converted to 100 cents). Instead, Britain decimalised the Pound by shrinking its value from 240 pence to 100 pence only. Some people in Britain even thought that the value of their money/income has diminished because in every shilling they spend (5 new pence) they were ripped off by the government for 7 pence. Devaluing the shilling from 12 pence to 5 pence was not a joke especially during the time when prices were still cheap. The ill-conceived decimalisation of the Pound in 1971 was one of the "ingredients" of the economic disaster of Britain during the turbulent decade of the 1970s. It may not be the main reason but it contributed to the economic crisis during that time. Maybe it's true that 10 is simpler than 12 or the decimal currency system is simpler than imperial currency system but the transition of Britain to decimal currency system in 1971 was NOT simple.
It is interesting that we keep some traditions and not others. Like feet and inches for height, stones and pounds for weight and miles per hour on road signs.
Loved the unboxing of the ten shilling note. 😂 I remember the furore about the £1 coin taking over the pound note. And can you imagine if we'd joined the Euro!😂
Well now that you're out of the EU, I guess it will never happen!
@@mariostar13 true.
People must have been better at maths then. Decimal is much more straightforward. How did the 60s children manage learning the old LSD then having to learn it again? I remember seeing exercise books in primary school with both systems in. The teacher just told us not to bother with the d and focus on the p!😂 I was born in 1967.