Retro Computing Roundtable
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Retrocomputing Roundtable warmup for episode 281
We consider talking about 1981 next time, review a big estate sale and a couple of eBay auctions. (We were going to record today but then a couple of us couldn't make it, so we will do the real episode 281 in the near future.)
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Wherein we talk about things that arrived on the computing scene in 1980, and other things, including those which did not arrive in the computing scene or did so but not in 1980.
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Things from 1979, weird things from eBay, somewhat-accurate claims, the usual.
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We'll talk about... 1978. A year before VisiCalc and WordStar went on sale. A couple years before the MX-80 went on sale. But a few things happened in 1978 itself. Apple released the Disk II, DEC released the VT-100, for example.
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We have reached 1977.
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We move on to 1976, when many things happened. Apple-1, Cray-1 (no relation), CP/M. Micro-Soft became easier to type by one character, the Queen sent an email.
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1975 and other related things.
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This time we look at the computing milestones of 1974. And some other stuff. Do you think we actually have a plan?
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Chatting about 1973. Ethernet maybe, CRT monitors maybe. Snow almost certainly.
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Things that relate to 1972, and other things, as discussed in 2024.
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Retrcomputing Roundtable episode 271
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We'll discuss computing as it stood shortly after Unix timestamp 0.
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We return to recording after what seems like a very long time, to talk about 1968-1969, probably.
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Join us as we dust off the podcasting mics and talk about things relating to computing history and 1967, plus things relating to computing history but not 1967.
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We're talking with Laine Nooney ("The Apple II Age: How the Computer Became Personal) and also about other retrocomputing things!

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  • @TechCowboy
    @TechCowboy 12 днів тому

    The 50% Canadian show

  • @TechCowboy
    @TechCowboy 16 днів тому

    Prince Edward Island (The Retro Desert) welcomes you.

  • @rivards1
    @rivards1 Місяць тому

    You'd get more people to show up if you announced going live to your 900 followers on X, instead of just to your 200 followers on Mastodon. Any reason for deprecating the X account except political?

  • @TronDD
    @TronDD Місяць тому

    Ah, I missed Intellivision talk. My favorite system.

  • @akdm82
    @akdm82 Місяць тому

    I think Starcastle was the first vector graphics game, right?

  • @lewiscole5193
    @lewiscole5193 3 місяці тому

    Not that it has anything to do with anything in this video, but if anyone is interested in what can be done using TTL logic and a lot of PROMs, please consider looking at Professor Matt Regan's UA-cam channel. Here's a link to his TTL based (i.e. *NO* 6502 micro, but lots of PROMs and a bit of TTL) Apple II system: < ua-cam.com/video/hxEEfSayRNo/v-deo.html >

  • @thedoctor16
    @thedoctor16 4 місяці тому

    Everything you guys talked about in networking is part of the IEEE ethernet standard except for the Apple stuff, however AppleTalk protocol can run over ethernet.

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 4 місяці тому

    For some reason, during the board game discussion when 'Turtles' was mentioned, I immediately thought of the programming teaching tool. Probably since I was unfamiliar with the video game.

  • @tekdragon
    @tekdragon 4 місяці тому

    Thanks alot for mentioning the Apple2CoCo emulator on your show and i'm glad you guys found it cool! Alot more features including disk emulation are coming soon! 😊

  • @drmarioschannel
    @drmarioschannel 4 місяці тому

    the "creepy teenager" misunderstanding had me balling

  • @thedoctor16
    @thedoctor16 4 місяці тому

    FP! The Intellivision came out in 1979 and the Aquarius came out in 1983. I've never seen an Intelly overlay worn, dented, creased or lost but never worn. The art was on the inside...

  • @lewiscole5193
    @lewiscole5193 5 місяців тому

    I really should know better than to listen to the Roundtable's members inane prattle, but this video showed up in my UA-cam recommendations for some reason. FWIW, here are a few comments from someone who is familiar with Univac and TV teletype writers: First, WRT to Quinn's comments about Univac, it became part of the Sperry Corporation and so was referred to as "Sperry Univac" until the Company decided change its designation to "Univac, a division of the Sperry Corporation" and then simply "Sperry" to emphasize the Sperry name. Burroughs took over Sperry in 1986 and the result was renamed "Unisys". Unisys still exists today. Both predecessor companies made significant contributions to the history of computers and I find it annoying to hear someone who openly admits to not knowing much (if anything) about computers before the Apple II (most notably mainframes) taking pot shots at either of them for having been around back when computers used vacuum tubes ... as if that's where they stopped developing. And, no, the Apple IIGS did *NOT* do in the Univac or Sperry Univac or Sperry or even reel-to-reel tape drives. Again, Univac/Sperry Univac/Sperry continues on to this day in the form of Unisys, although the "mainframes" they "produce" are emulators that run on Intel servers. As for the tape drives, I recall shooting rubber bands at the buttons on the control panel of such drives (a U36N?) to get the window to slide up or down long after 1986. I used to be very good at it. And I would note for the young ones in the audience that the World is *STILL* reliant on "dusty deck" programs (often times written in COBOL) written to run on mainframes, especially in the banking industry. Second, WRT to Don Lancaster and his series of TV Teletypes (TVT), he made a series of TVTs, not just the one described in the book (which IIRC was the TYT-2). The last one IIR was the TVT-6 in which he replaced a lot of the logic with a 6502 which just happened to be a part of a KIM-1. You can still find the schematics and code (including the original "Popular Electronics" articles ... there were three IIRC) online. To the extent that he used old chips that you can't find today, about the only thing that might fall into that category is a character generator ROM chip which when fed in a scan line number would return a bit mask of the bits set in that line of a character. This can (relatively easily) be reproduced with a little programming and an EEPROM (and programmer) as Ben Eater pretty much did in his breadboard computer project. I *THINK* his TVT-2 was only TTL and CMOS (a couple of Lancaster's other books being "The TTL Cookbook" and "The CMOS Cookbook") except for the character generator chip or chips. Certainly, generating the signal chain for a TV signal can be done using just TTL chips as was shown by in the April 1977 issue of "Radio Electronics" which featured the construction of a single board micro based on the Signetics 2650 (not 6502 as is occasionally incorrectly stated elsewhere). Except for a roughly 14MHz crystal whose frequency might be odd today, there was nothing special about the chips in the signal generator. And since a VGA signal is relatively close to a TV signal, there's nothing particularly problematic about making a TVT today. If you want to save yourself some logic, you can probably get there from here using a Parallax Propeller chip which I'm pretty sure is still available at Digi-Key. OBTW, I think that the chip that Quinn is thinking of is the Motorola MC6845, not 6851, which was a popular *CRT Controller* chip. I don't recall it being at the heart of any of Don Lancaster's TVTs. I suspect that a TI TMS9918 would have been a better fit as it was supposedly intended for an NTSC display although it wasn't used either. As for the use of a TVT, yes, it could be useful to talk to a mainframe if you had an acoustic coupler, but even more important was to use it to talk to your homebrew micros which began to use a serial TTY-like terminal instead of switches and lights. It is simply fucking amazing to hear people who are supposedly into retro computing talk as if the beginning of (micro) computing sprang into existence with the Apple while apparently being completely ignoring the fact that there micros before the Apple II (e.g. the Mark-8 and Altair 8800 not to mention any number of homebrew systems) and not everyone had a Teletype 33 laying around to talk to them.

  • @RobertBaskette
    @RobertBaskette 5 місяців тому

    "One wants you to forward this on..."

  • @clangerbasher
    @clangerbasher 5 місяців тому

    🙂

  • @chris20001965
    @chris20001965 5 місяців тому

    This Aussie says yay for the return of Michael 😊

  • @greglovekamp
    @greglovekamp 6 місяців тому

    Sump pumps are also used for high water tables: the basement floor is lower than standing water in the ground. The water always exerts pressure on the basement floor until it finds a crack in the concrete. That under-the-floor drainage pipe to the sump pit just constantly drains the rising underground water, and the pump gets it out of the house. My last house in Illinois had a sump pump that ran consistently (5 minutes off, 30 seconds on) even in the driest of droughts.

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross 7 місяців тому

    I listen to these through the audio pocast during my commutes. That means I won't get to listen to this one for another couple of years.

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 7 місяців тому

      Hopefully sooner! But, yes, we're at present a few months behind. 271-273 (and now 274) have yet to be edited and posted.

  • @mkirkby1967
    @mkirkby1967 7 місяців тому

    I'm sure it's been mentioned before but the rcr podcast website is at episode 270 and April 4th 2024...I really must be missing something

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 7 місяців тому

      Nope, actually there's just a big backlog. Episode 270 was just posted. Hoping to get the audio feed caught up soon, but yes, 270 was the most recently uploaded. (They get edited from what we record here, these UA-cam things are kind of behind-the-scenes "making of"s of the audio feed episodes.)

  • @UXXV
    @UXXV 7 місяців тому

    Just spotted my Apple Podcasts had stopped your feed then on your site found your changed hosts. But after deleting the old feed in Apple Podcasts and searching there I can’t find the new one. Where am I going wrong ?

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 7 місяців тому

      Sounds like maybe we need to investigate. The feed links are there on the rcrpodcast.com site, which you should be able to subscribe to explicitly. But I *thought* it was there in Apple podcasts. So, I don't know where you are going wrong, or even whether you are going wrong, but thanks for asking. I'll investigate.

    • @UXXV
      @UXXV 7 місяців тому

      Thank you.I didnt even notice Ive not heard you guys in a year and when I was clearing out old Follows saw your logo. Clicked it and it stopped in Dec 22. I went to the site and learned you changed hosts so went back to Apple. Unfollowed the original and went searching for the new one but nothing came up :( @@retrocomputingroundtable4445

    • @philcave100
      @philcave100 7 місяців тому

      I can't find on Apple Podcasts either. I thought you guys had just stopped.@@retrocomputingroundtable4445

  • @buriedbits6027
    @buriedbits6027 7 місяців тому

    General question. Why is this really great show not published as a podcast?

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 7 місяців тому

      It's editing backlog, it will be published. We've recorded a few more than have made it to the audio feed yet, but the hope is that we'll be caught up soon. Working on it! The next one for the feed is about 75% edited. We're planning to add to the backlog in a few days, but we're striving to have one or more of the already recorded ones hit the audio feed before that.

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 7 місяців тому

      Though maybe the general answer is: it is! This particular video is, at the time I am typing this, of an episode that isn't on the podcast feed yet. But if you go to rcrpodcast.com, there is a subscription link for your regular audio podcatcher.

  • @buriedbits6027
    @buriedbits6027 7 місяців тому

    9:18 Believe it or not, a friend called me to help him network a bunch of Macs in the 68040 days, we did an all nighter and finally the chooser in each Mac could see one another. We just kept at it until it worked. Luckily I was in my youth in those days or I would be desperately tired. The good old days right?

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 9 місяців тому

    What a great episode! I fell asleep listening to it after way too long of a day and had to start over this morning, Thank you for the entefomingtainment!

  • @greglovekamp
    @greglovekamp 9 місяців тому

    The first computer I ever used, my high school’s Ohio Scientific Challenger II, had disk drives that constantly spun. Floppies would always be very warm when removed. I’ve never known if that behavior was normal; Ohio Scientific was back in the day when everything was mostly an amateur hack.

  • @CurtisBoyle
    @CurtisBoyle 9 місяців тому

    The talk about having two sector 0's on the same track, and it booting differently depending on which one passed under the head first reminds me of the multi-ending flexi-disc record that MAD magazine put out in the 1980 - "Super Spectacular Day", which I had back in the day. The first part of the song played the same, but the second part of the song was a random one from 7. Like the sector 0 you mentioned above, it had multiple paths the needle could follow, so which ending you heard depended on which groove the stylus landed on.

  • @gadgetmiser
    @gadgetmiser 10 місяців тому

    Quinn, look into pi1541, or for a zero fuss c64 (and others!) solid state solution, look up the Backbit ...

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 10 місяців тому

    how do we know when they are live?

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 10 місяців тому

      I think if you subscribe to the channel it will notify you when we schedule a live broadcast. We often don't know ourselves whether we're going to record or not much in advance, but when we record it is always at Sunday around 3pm or 4pm, New York time. We usually manage to send the notifications a couple of hours ahead of when we start, and toot it out on Mastodon here: podcasts.social/@rcrpodcast - but, you're right, we should make that information more obvious somewhere. These really are conceptually the "behind the scenes-making of" documentary of the audio podcast product, rather than being a show in its own right. So you don't get the editing, nicer audio, ad breaks, but it does have the advantage of being real time, so you can help correct our errors as we go!

  • @superbenk
    @superbenk 10 місяців тому

    There is a Commodore IEC Fujinet that shares the same dev board with the Apple II. There is a partnership between the Meatloaf project & Fujinet to bring the Meatloaf functionality (in large part) to Fujinet. The Commodore Fujinet is still under development but it does (mostly) work. I think they're still ironing out some details around IEC timings.

  • @greglovekamp
    @greglovekamp 10 місяців тому

    On Christmas Eve, 1972, my dad brought home an Odyssey console. White squares on black background with plastic cling overlays for TV screen. A few separate “cartridges”, not bundled, were available: add on Shooting Gallery and Handball (I think). Fantastic Christmas.

  • @artofnoise5013
    @artofnoise5013 10 місяців тому

    Aw! Missed the livestream. This is the best retro tech podcast out there.

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 10 місяців тому

    "I got your haptics right here nerd!" (shaking fist) Thank you Quinn.

  • @Bottleworksnet
    @Bottleworksnet 11 місяців тому

    This arrived on my Apple podcast feed today. The 5 month delay threw me off!

  • @ajsnz
    @ajsnz Рік тому

    My father coined the phrase "precautionary off-site backup" to descibe the copies of software i would share with friends.

  • @buriedbits6027
    @buriedbits6027 Рік тому

    Why aren’t you one Apple Podcasts anymore? 😢

  • @vrspaceman
    @vrspaceman Рік тому

    Great podcast :)

  • @marklemmert6840
    @marklemmert6840 Рік тому

    57:40 Pressing space to speed up chest opening was a feature. You could also shoot at chests to sometimes drastically reduce the time left to open a chest. And, in one of the opening screens of text it says "now, I wouldn't go shooting at a chest full of explosives....." which in my impatience I actually did a few times as I "shot down" the time on a chest. BOOM!

  • @marklemmert6840
    @marklemmert6840 Рік тому

    1:28:00 And now we know why in the early days of the telephone it was sometimes called the blower....

  • @odkinwood9443
    @odkinwood9443 Рік тому

    Somebody needs to dial back Quinn's know-it-all monopolization of the podcast. Especially his smug entusiasm when talking to fellow-travellers.

  • @dansimpson6844
    @dansimpson6844 Рік тому

    Audio needs tweaking. I can barely hear Paul and Quinn is blowing my speakers out...

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 Рік тому

      Hi, thanks. I don't think we have much control over what Streamyard sends to YT when we record live. When the audio is edited down for the podcast stream, the individual speaker volumes get balanced pretty aggressively. So on the audio podcast feed it should sound fine. But thanks for alerting us to it anyway, next time we record, we can see if there's anything we can do to balance our volumes. My (Paul's) mic is fundamentally pretty quiet, I have it cranked up to max manually within Streamyard.

  • @perholmstrom9789
    @perholmstrom9789 Рік тому

    Episode 265 didn't appear on the (podcast) feed yet, am I looking in the wrong places?

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 Рік тому

      Sorry, you're likely not looking in the wrong places-the audio just hasn't been edited yet into podcast form due to a crushing amount of Real Work. Planning to have it done within a couple of days of this comment, and to record 266 in about a week and a half.

  • @gregyotz777
    @gregyotz777 Рік тому

    I had one of those Sanyo computers. A company I developed software for used them for a Point Of Sale system.

  • @lemonherb1
    @lemonherb1 Рік тому

    For those who complain the show runs too long...

  • @tboicey
    @tboicey Рік тому

    I've never caught a live episode before, how do we know when to tune in?

    • @retrocomputingroundtable4445
      @retrocomputingroundtable4445 Рік тому

      Hi-it's pretty much always on a Sunday afternoon (presently usually 3pm eastern time in North America), but which Sundays work varies for us somewhat. I think the channel notifications will alert of an imminent live broadcast when we schedule them (usually a couple of hours in advance) and we also usually post a notice to our Mastodon account. podcasts.social/@rcrpodcast - next one should be on May 21.

  • @mattytee8671
    @mattytee8671 Рік тому

    Best episode of RCR ever.

  • @marklemmert6840
    @marklemmert6840 Рік тому

    1:38:05 Cringely was also the narrator / interviewer for the "Triumph of the Nerds" documentary made in the mid-1990s where he tracked the history of the PC revolution and interviewed many of the key figures. IIRC it starts out at a Portland Trailblazers basketball game with Cringley saying "Paul Allen is richer than god, and Bill is richer than Allen"

  • @marklemmert6840
    @marklemmert6840 Рік тому

    I love "Yak Memory Systems - Holds a Grudge" 🙂

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 Рік тому

    Chat GPT reports that regarding regular expressions: "Keep adding backslashes till they work."

  • @superbenk
    @superbenk Рік тому

    Mini vMac works fine on my Macbook Pro running Monterey as does Basilisk II.

  • @greglovekamp
    @greglovekamp Рік тому

    All of my computer science bachelor degree classes were done on a PDP-11/34A.

  • @mikepettengill2706
    @mikepettengill2706 Рік тому

    Quinndow, Portpaul, Carriface (ok the last two were stretches)

  • @marklemmert6840
    @marklemmert6840 Рік тому

    1:56:10 - I recently asked Chat GPT to program a RPG for me in 6502 Assembly. It knew what assembly language was but gave me some lame excuse for why it couldn't program a game. I guess I still have a 'job' 🙂