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Green Peter drawdown
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Green Peter drawdown
This film attempts to present one facet of a complex issue. The drawdown of Green Peter Reservoir and it's impact on the ecosystem and the surrounding communities.
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What was the legal reason for the drawdown????????????????????
When is the 2024 draw down scheduled for
“Trust the experts”……
FILE SUIT AGAINST THAT JUDGE WHO CAUSED ALL OF THIS BECAUSE OF BUROCRACY!
What a terrible shame!
Killing thousands of fish to attempt to establish a new run of "wild" fish that are not even native to the waters above Green Peter. Insanity.
I was disappointed that they never actually explained the reason for the draw downs. They never once mentioned the effect this reservoir is having on the river and fish trying to migrate upriver in late fall and winter.
Hi George. I could have spent a half hour, just laying out the course that the lawsuits took. My intention was to keep the film short, and focused on the effects the drawdown had on the surrounding communities, so that as many people as possible would watch it. I made the film to spur conversation, whether I agree with the comments here or not. Maybe someone here can come up with a better solution than what has happened so far. It is incredibly complicated. Manny below is right, that Green Peter was originally put in for flood control. Yes, on Klamath River, 4 dams have been removed. Yet, they left 2 dams. Why? Flood control.
Oregon has become victim of some of the worst government ever inflicted on its citizens.
@glennryan9770 I don't agree. I think the only thing Oregon's government is bad at, is explaining the scientific process to some of its citizens.
The damage was done filling these lakes. This is all the aftermath of poor decisions made long ago, not recent ones.
I don’t understand the rapid drawdowns. Why not extend the drawdowns over, maybe a two year period, so the turbidity won’t get as bad.
Go back in 5 years and see what it looks like
Wonder what the scientists and environmental groups that pushed for this drawdown to happen are saying now? Probably nothing!
WHOOPS... THEY DIDN'T THINK OF EVERYTHING.....CHALK IT UP TO A BRAIN FART
Remove the dams.
Flushing the sping salmon smolts past the green peter dam every year is the main goal, but the question is will they survive the sediment load that goes with it , but as far as the Kokanee fishery in green peter, that will be gone. My question is, are they planning on doing the same with foster reservoir, isn't it the same situation there with the salmon smolts.
Kokanee were planted, non native salmon
@jefflong8449 Exactly! 💯!
So are the "wild" spring chinook they are trying to reestablish above Green Peter with this experiment. The native run was unfortunately lost decades ago.
The people who allowed this insane corruption of a watershed should be prosecuted but of course they won't because they are Democrat politicians!
Sue the living daylights out of everyone responsible, including the judge and lawyers. Maybe these so-called eco-experts are just activists and need to be treated like eco-terrorists instead.
all water holds are being depleted. not for the reasons given, just a cover for the destruction it is intended to lead to.
Those townships are due "hardship" imposed by the ESA lawsuit, which should be paid by those filing the injunction. Countersuit should have been filed immediately by all of the townships, creating a class-action suit against the Federal Govt for not following the guidelines of the ESA and Federal management plans.
On a positive note I recently fished the s santiam and caught many fish. A summer run steelhead and large trout.
That's great good to know 🙂
NOT COR ENGINEERS FAULT - THE COURTS WHO NEVER FACT CHECKED WHAT THEY RULED ON IS .......................... SO MANY SEEN THIS COMING BUT NO ONE WOULD LISTEN !!!!!!
Thank you for sharing this video.i use to live in cascadia and would go camping and fishing at green peter frequently.what a disaster this has turned into!! What a shame! The impacts of this will last a long long time.
it'll probably never recover..... Might as well take the dam out!🤔
This looks bad, but it is a prime example of our need to reevaluate our watersheds and to find better ways to store and manage our water. My personal belief is that we must create new wetlands on a grand scale, but that is a subject for debate at another time.
This whole deal is so frustrating to fisherman. I know people who ran guided trips on Green Peter, and any hopes of my usual trout and salmon fishing on the South Santiam this year are pretty much gone
Yall need to fix this
Mayor of Sweet Home: "There are other options than the drawdown - so far the Federal Gubbermint hasn't allocated any money...." That's because they're to busy sending all our money to Ukraine to protect the Sex-traffickers from the likes of Putin.
Never had it, never was a issue, why now? How about fight wildfish freaks and stand up against that.
IT'S AN EMERGENCY AND WE NEED MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS THEN WHERE'D ALL THE MONEY?
HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY WE HAVE SOOOOO MANY HATCHERY FISH TRUCKS FLIPPING OVER AROUND HERE COSTING TAX PAYERS MILLIONS???
It's just seems so disgusting to hear ODFW crying the loss of a few non-native landlocked by man stocked fish.Water quality issues a very temporary.Just people playing huge victims for free taxpayer handouts."the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW) has discussed the possibility of continuing to stock kokanee in Green Peter Reservoir due to overpopulation issues." You can go to Greenpeter on a busy weekend and there are like two Hill Billy's fishing but they'll freak the fuck out and claim billions of dollars in damages.
What's even worse is everybody blaming the "government", when in fact We The People ARE the government. It makes me wanna puke that folks have forgotten who is in control of the people that have forgotten who they work for. Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves
@@appaloosa6626 If there is a U-Haul parked in front of the capital building in Salem it is probably just somebody moving furniture.
@@appaloosa6626 We are surrounded by cartels and crime organizations but if you use the wrong type of ink pen on your fishing tag there will be 5 different agencies and 15 different types of retarded cops in your face.
@@appaloosa6626 I have a photo of 15 cops all drawed down on two little kids.
@@appaloosa6626 Then 3 retired judges own the entire Yamhill valley.
Is Cougar Reservoir effected also? I was recently camping there , and it looks the same.....
Thank you. 😢
Green Peter, Foster and the South Santiam were some of the most beautiful recreation areas when I was growing up. What exactly were the plaintiffs trying to accomplish with this lawsuit? If this was to assist the chinook in reaching their spawning grounds, it looks like it failed, leaving warm overly silted water to navigate. If this was to help the Spring Chinook smolts navigate the lake, it left warm, silted water where predators like bass could exterminate them. Looks like the entire river system was negatively impacted (unless you're a bass.)
This seems like a legit reason for an organized peaceful protest.
damn activists and tree huggers and liberals they think they're doing good but only doing harm and the federal government doesn't have the back bone to fist these frivolous lawsuits rather they just fold and pander to the green peace liberal activists
I hope that the Sweet Home government learns from this mistake!
LOLOLOLOLOL, they convinced the townsfolk that the increase on their water bills were not drawdown, and when they get the fed money for extra costs incurred, the rates will not decrease nor any funding go back to the people. The behind the scenes stuff at the city council clearly shows most of the stuff of this video is a joke
@@appaloosa6626 I'm glad you feel the film is a joke. At least it has spurred conversation. Instead of using a comment section of a video to complain, spend 6 months of your free time and your money to make a film that articulates how everybody is wrong and you are right. I look forward to the chance to see that film.
@user-iv1ur9xo3i LOL I've been involved with this since the beginning....looooooong before the city had a clue what to do. The cities weren't talking with each other, and the conversations down there were ludicrous at best. It near took pitchforks and burning torches to even get anybody to move on it. No leadership stood to fight. Every last one of them cried like leppy calves about it being "not their jurisdiction". Well it wasn't theirs back in the spotted owl days either, yet every timber affected town stood up and lead their people to rallies and political campaigns. Not a single one has stood against ANY "mandates"..... which are not laws, yet are enacted as law by the judiciary branch. I have the documentation to PROVE some of the council said that I.... yes, ME.... was the catalyst to the city handing out water and being more transparent with testing and other issues brought up. I tried numerous times to get local media to dig, but none would return any calls. No sweet home facebook pages would allow anything negative to be posted, and then when it did, the city social media redcoat started removing posts and took a defensive posture, which caused the manager to set him down in the corner for a day or so and make an apology. I stand by every single thing I've said in every single comment I've made on this comment section, and that's my last word on the matter. My friend LaVoy told me two days before he was shot in the back "it matters how you stand"....
My Wife and I lived in Sweet Home from 2006 till May of 2023....when we moved last year I was telling friends and family this is going to go horrible and is looking to be true....any time the enviro crazies like this and a radical judge who is not affected by this get there way it seems to and then just shrug and walk away like nothing happened...or like urkel "did I do that...sorry" as an old song lyric goes...."they have eyes o look but not to see"
Enviro crazies 😂 You mean people that don’t want the native Willamette River chinook salmon runs to go extinct?
I live in this county and was wondering what was going on with this lake. This didn’t quite answer my “why”?, when so many species, from tiny to large, are affected. Where did the wild life get water to drink? Look how the people’s water systems suffered.
Human error 👍 Hope you found eggs Did you ? Survey 🧐
Water quality made people sick. Made animals have diarrhea Eagles were flying in flicks search for fish They didn't eat for they could not see the fish... Was sad. City was responsible for providing clean healthy water. They did not ,‼️ Proper testing wasn't complete for 3 weeks or more Yet ! Were told to drink the water🤬 Was fine they said 🤬 Human error✔️
Beautiful video, but I wish you had belled the cat, i.e. named the judge who mandated this action, which court the decision was made in, who the plaintiffs were, and provided a link to the decision and whatever information is available from the court. When Greg Taylor spoke in Lebanon, he said the judge could review the USACE data from the first year and possibly modify his mandate after one year. Keep putting pressure on state representatives and the governor. As my favorite civil rights lawyer often says, the court of public opinion does influence the courts. In that regard, this documentary provides some good feedback from the public and the local communities affected.
Thank you for the time it took you to make this. I hope it gets shared
That is a great video thank you for putting the time into producing such an informative production. It truly is a tragedy that the judge that had no idea what a devastating action his ruling would have to the people and the environment. Not to mention the number of fish species that where released into the Willamette river system such a smallmouth bass and walleye.
Yeah, the number of SMB and walleye both upstream and downstream of Lookout has gone up dramatically. I'd assume there's similar SMB in the South Santiam? Did GP have many walleye? I haven't heard of a big population there, but I know they've established themselves several new places over the past few decades.
Small mouth Bass have been in Santiam and Willamette for many years now.
If you have an audio version of this, KORC Radio in Corvallis would be interested! Thank you!
you can play it on your phone, screen record and isolate the audio. Assuming the maker is ok with this approach.
T They talked about wild life. I hated what I was seeing. It created sagnate pools of water. I took my dog up there to take a look my dog drank some of that water. it almost killed her cost me 800.00 in vet bills. I thought no signs put up no notification. I tried to contact the coors main office fish and game and governor with zero response. how much wild life it will effect is really yet to be seen. The most logical solution would be NO MORE DRAW DOWNS.
The Corp of Engineers should - IGNORE!!! the Federal Government and the State - and Stop the draw downs. Man has no Clue what they think they are doing! Natrue and God Know best about this world! Just Leave the Lakes alone! Let the lake refill -= ( and Leave it alone! ~ M.A.
See my comments above about what comes next if ACOE does not comply with the court orders. It's an even bigger legal snafu, requiring ACOE to return the river to its (actual) natural state. For those taking notes, that's one without dams (and man-made reservoirs behind them).
lol it’s not a lake though? It’s a reservoir
These lakes are man made lololol
Ignoring the courts is why we experienced January 6th 2021. The Green Peter dam was primarily built for flood control.
The best kind of government, is no government.
It appears censorship is alive and well with anything negative. What a joke
This affects my community. I’m saddened by the impact the Feds decision has had locally.
The feds did not do this willingly. It was court ordered. Blame the idiot environmental groups.