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vi is a tragic himbo
why vi and cait's breakup wasn't sudden--
and why it was inevitable
#arcane #arcaneseason2 #caitvi #cait #vi #jinx
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  • @mushymass9716
    @mushymass9716 16 годин тому

    I think you're right on the nose with the part about Vi underestimating people. We get a whole line during act 2 about Caitlyn warning her to "not underestimate Ambessa", which is a normal thing to say, but Arcane is basically 0% filler so why would that be emphasized? Could it he that Caitlyn understands her predilection towards underestimating people?

  • @cailawilliams1434
    @cailawilliams1434 День тому

    My one criticism of this video is - people can underestimate how difficult it can be to understand what other people are going through mentally and what should be done to help them. We live in a world where access to information about mental health and how to help others is abundant. These girls don’t. Not to mention - they’re both kids. I wouldn’t expect a young teenager to understand the issues powder is going through thoroughly, while dealing with raising them and defending them from and themselves from criticism by family members. It also doesn’t help that Vi never really does get to learn about that sort of thing after the time jump. A lot of people react to things by the way they know and what they experienced in the past guiding them to try to make a good choice. It’s not surprising Vi doesn’t fully understand Powder and might not have when they were kids despite their closeness. She also really doesn’t have much updated information on how her sister got to the point she is now. She barely knows anything of what happened and why her sister is the way she is - she mostly gets to mull it over in her mind. We also saw what could have looked like to Vi - Powder loosing herself to grief. It’s not at all surprising seeing her concerned about Cait turning the same after experiencing such after such a loss and being willing to take drastic action

  • @davidunderwood9728
    @davidunderwood9728 День тому

    I thought about this watching this video. How would Norm think of what his father has done? At first I think he would hate it but part of me thinks he might side with his father. How would Lucy react when both family members are against her. Might not happen but is a possibility

  • @silveraxe
    @silveraxe День тому

    The people at Fortiche recently revealed that there was no kiss in the first season due to technological reasons. They didn't clear what exactly was the tech shortcomings. Came here from Schnee's video. Really nice analysis and you are lovely to listen to. Thank you for this vid!

  • @zoezoey8
    @zoezoey8 День тому

    you fail to consider that vi was ALSO a child... probably no older than 14/15 when everything first went down. to reduce her to “generally clueless” is really unfair to her character imo. she’s powder’s older sister, not a licensed therapist, and dealing with so much on her end and on powder’s end, mind you. so while it’s easy for you to realize exactly what powder would have needed and how vi should have handled it, vi was doing her best: including her 99% of the time except the one time she didn’t, for her own safety, defending her to mylo etc. on caitlyn: why should she expect her to be able to do all the things she reveals herself capable of? she just met her, like, yesterday. and also, she just got out of prison, like. yesterday. after like 7 years. and in s2, it’s not that she doesn’t think caitlyn able to handle a raid on her own, but that she wants to help her. vi consistently sacrifices herself for those she loves and you don’t seem to be giving her much grace at all. to characterize vi to some idiot who thinks caitlyn=powder is so reductive. i don’t think you’re considering the whole situation and tbh your take seems pretty black and white

  • @WhiteWolf-di2nh
    @WhiteWolf-di2nh 2 дні тому

    let's face it , Cait was unfair cruel in this scene. of course Vi is hurt. how would you feel if your gf acts like totall ahole and to ADD INSULT to injury she also hit you in the stomach with a rifle?

  • @JenniferFuss
    @JenniferFuss 5 днів тому

    It wasn't normal collateral damage, but it would have been taking out a child after having taken aim. The kid in the shimmer factory was offed by accident and not looking where Jayce shot, Caitlyn hat a rather clear shot and it would have been premeditated. Another thing is that if you look at the scene, Isha had her head directly behind Jinx head, if Caitlyn would have gone for a head shot, Isha would have been dead as shown by the caliber of the hexgun both with the mirror and even more so in the arcade (where it burns a fat hole in the figure and is shown to spread outwards behind it. She compared Caitlyn to Jinx because Jinx similiarly does not consider or mind collateral or mind killing people. Whereas Vi didn't see Caitlyn killing one person, rather the opposite, when Caitlyn took a shot it disabled Sevika, not killed her. Caitlyn trying to kill Jinx, even without Isha as a casualty, is Caitlyn acting way more like Jinx. Why didn't take Powder to the Vander recuse because she didn't believe or see that Powder could be useful, but because Vander impressed on her in their last normal conversation that bringing Powder along is risking to get her killed. Which Vi did not want. She was not afraid of Powder being hurt physically, but permanently killed. The video feels like working backwards from an idea, forcefully hard.

  • @haneulJang-zy9jk
    @haneulJang-zy9jk 6 днів тому

    Y'all forget vi has also been through a lot from also a very young age and had to take care of her baby sister on top. She lost her parents her father figure got locked up in prison for years for no damn reason with only the thoughts of reuniting with her sister to keep her going just to come out of prison and realize her sister has become someone she doesn't recognize while she wasn't there and not for the better too. And we're asking why losing cait broke her lmao. Can't get how you can understand cait and jinx's actions but not vi. Caitlyn is changing and not for the better as well she now suspectable to be manipulated by someone like merdarda using her rage against the undercity to likely commit more worse actions and oppress the undercity more which is something the Caitlyn in season one didn't support. Vi can see that. She trusted Caitlyn and put on the enforcer uniform not just cause she wants to protect Caitlyn but she feels guilty that powder becoming jinx was her fault also about cait's mother. She just wants to put an end to to the fight before it escalates and undercity is gonna suffer the most from it just like what happened in the beginning of season one. It's literally what she learnt from vander. Y'all put a lot on vi forgetting she has her own trauma to get through and she has been trying to do so without completely losing her shit like everyone else.

  • @Lionblaze-Prime
    @Lionblaze-Prime 6 днів тому

    I'm sorry, I cannot take this video too seriously. It brings up some good points but I felt like a bias was moving the script. Let's start: 1) despite telling Cait to take the shot she still hesitates. Did you the video simply ignore the fact that trying to stop for good (in a definitive way) her own sister because she became a terrorist after trying so hard to save her? If I was in that situation I am 100% I wouldn't be able to do it either. No one can blame her for hesitating, it was her sister, ffs. 2) Vi was not disturbed by collateral damage in s1. Yeah, no shit. Collateral damage, not direct involvement. She didn't kill the boy, it was an accident. Caitlyn wanted to risk shooting a kid who was trying to protect Jinx with her life and there is no guarantee that Cait would not have made a mistake. 3) Vi accuses Cait of behaving like Jinx. This part is not the clearest and may be explained later on, but I see it as Vi is not comparing Cait to Jinx, she's comparing her to Powder. Naive, selfish, not caring about consequences, whether it is taking a child's life or her own family. 4) Vi summons the monsters when trying to push out Silco's influence out of her. She didn't know about that and was trying to reach her sister. And Vi did not create Jinx no matter how many times she says that. Powder made Jinx, for crying out loud. 5) Powder and Jinx are the same characters. What? They share the same body, but the mind is completely different. Sure, they have the same drawings, tactics, and other details, but saying that they are the same and that they have never been different is misleading and wrong. Jinx is the result of Powder's untreated mental condition, and the scene where she screams is just a representation of this, the moment when Jinx was first created in Powder's mind. Then Jinx got corrupted and worsened by Silco. 6) Vi didn't understand Powder at all. I think this is not a simple matter. In the scene where they are on the rooftop and Vi cheers her up, she tells her that what makes her different makes her strong. Powder is upset because of her trinkets not working and Milo pushing her down, so Vi tries to show her how everyone has a bad day and tells her about their differences (Vi's fists and Powder's trinkets). Also, why there was no mention of the context of Zaun? Vi was the leader of the gang, responsible for everything and everyone's safety at a time where enforcers were looking for them and she wanted to do more. I think it's hypocritical to accuse her of not doing enough when she had the whole situation on her shoulders. Then, Powder was good with a toy gun (and I admit it would have been interesting to see what else she could have done with it), but would you give your younger siblings a functioning lethal gun? She had a couple of blue stones and look what happened. Oh, the freaking scene where Powder gets left behind. Sure, let's bring the little girl into a building full of maniacs, goons backstabbers and a monster on the loose, I'm sure nothing bad will happen. Except for getting her killed immediately. 7) "I watched them kill my parents". No, Caitlyn has no idea what it feels like to be asked to join the people who killed her parents, especially at a young age. We all know she will eventually but we still need to see 2 acts, come on. 8 ) Vi doesn't understand Caitlyn. You made good points at the beginning. She was not expecting Cait to do many things, and no shit, I'd say. But are we really taking in consideration Sevika mocking and pocking at Jinx as proof that she "understood" what they were going to become? Seriously? Indeed, Vi and Caitlyn didn't fully understand each other, but it's what brought them together. Saying this as a negative thing is not fair, especially when Vi HAS A GOOD POINT WHEN TALKING SOME SENSE INTO CAIT. Piltover was just attacked by Zaun during a funeral. Sure, they were helped by Ambessa but this is more the reason to be cautious. If they got hit in a familiar zone what could happen in an unknown one? Vi was betrayed by the person she loved the most (it was Powder who betrayed Vi, fight me) and her protector spirit pushes her to protect Caitlyn, the only person who seemed to care about her. I really don't know what's so hard to understand. Also, when Vi jumped from the cliff after being stabbed it saved them from being captured. 9) The bed scene. I really have no idea what her point is. It's one of the best scenes in the series and it's a massive bonding moment for the two of them. She was set on saving her sister, no shit she will talk about her sister and her situation, ffs. She didn't spend years in a cell thinking about her and to save her, no...🤦 I wanted to see them kiss too but that doesn't mean that the story has to be forced to reach it. 10) Cycling back to Vi accusing Cait of behaving like Powder/Jinx: yes, I agree. That's why she reacts like that. Cait is adamant about killing Jinx no matter what and is on her way to the point of no return, a loved person who becomes lost. And SURPRISE SURPRISE, Caitlyn snaps, almost kills a little girl, hits Vi in the same spot she healed her and is put in charge by a militaristic woman who wants to start a war, using Cait's hate and thirst for revenge. It kind of mirrors what Silco did with Powder, corrupting someone for personal gain. This video tries to make good points but loses its compass.

  • @shamanahaboolist
    @shamanahaboolist 7 днів тому

    Vi is post purchase rationalising. Cait is right. When it came to it Vi wasn't able to see the end of her sister. But at the other end of that fight she's trying to cover over her protecting Jinx.

  • @SevenminutesisallthetimeIhave
    @SevenminutesisallthetimeIhave 7 днів тому

    I mean… she could just be depressed that the only person in her life - who is also the love of her life - the woman she begged not to change, like everyone else she’s known, almost killed a kid to get revenge - something the woman she fell in love with would never have done - then physically assaults her and leaves her completely alone to become a tyrant. I dunno… maybe it could be cause of that?

  • @ChickenRanler
    @ChickenRanler 7 днів тому

    well the kid in the factory was already dead and an accident but also vi could have just moved isha but she didnt clearly she was just having cold feet about shooting her sister

  • @botanicalitus4194
    @botanicalitus4194 7 днів тому

    Just 2 minutes in and theres so much flaw in the logic. Vi told jayce to get over the collateral damage instead of stewing in it because the damage was already done, in this cause the damage wasnt done yet and Vi was trying to stop it. But more so, she did not want Cait to lose her own moral character. She didnt want Cait to "change", and doing this would absolutely be her changing even if she didnt hurt the kid. The cait from season 1 would have never even risked it. It makes perfect sense for Vi's character. Also, the reason this broke Vi is because vi has dealt with so much in season 1, Cait is literally the ONLY thing she has left and she just hither and abandoned her. It makes sense this would break Vi. Also she was comparing Cait to jinx specifically about how Cait was willing to hurt others in pursuit of revenge, and acting based on emotion rather than logic and morals. which is exactly what jinx does all the time, especially at the end of season 1. But the theory that Powder and Jinx are the same, Jinx is just a more evolved or unearthed powder, is interesting and makes sense also I love the observation that Vi replaced powder with cait

  • @bonfirered5017
    @bonfirered5017 7 днів тому

    I find it funny that now himbo is now more well known than its bimbo origins

  • @katl.7022
    @katl.7022 7 днів тому

    This video was... Admittedly a bit rough to get through. There were a few good points! The one I agreed with the most was definitely, "Powder never existed" at least as Vi thought she knew her. I also think that it makes sense that years of dwelling on the memory of her sister without actually getting to see her grow up could definitely warp that memory to some extent. Even as a child Jinx was likely quite a bit different than how Vi remembers her after all this time. Definitely something interesting to think about. Where you really lost me was claiming that Vi's reaction to Cait was irrational or that Cait isn't changing. Vi is 100% correct in saying that Cait can't understand how it feels to be asked to join the police force when as a child you watched that police force kill both your parents. (And the police have been oppressing your people in general your whole life. Not to mention the abuse she suffered in prison at their hands.) That uniform carries a TON of trauma for her. Trauma that, try as she might, Cait will NEVER fully be able to understand as someone from a family as powerful as her's is. I also don't think that it's accurate framing that Vi just changed on a dime the second a child was put at risk. She's clearly already losing faith in Caitlyn at the "promise me you won't change" scene from watching Cait commit violence against against her people AND being involved in that violence. She feels like it's something she has to do to protect these people against worse violence, but obviously it sure doesn't feel right once she's in the thick of it! It's a complex situation and I don't think for a second that Vi is stupid for feeling conflicted. Oh, and Cait is literally using GASES against Zaun. I feel like taking away CLEAN AIR from a population is already pretty damn extreme and unreasonable! Not to mention this isn't a situation of her accidentally killing a child and feeling bad about it. This about her actively putting a child at risk! A child that is trying to protect a parental figure! It's a pretty different situation! Especially if the parental figure of that kid happens to be your own sister!

  • @coldsolitude4417
    @coldsolitude4417 7 днів тому

    I don't know I disagree with a lot of this respectfully. it's not that she is stupid it's just she is in her early 20s and like most people in her early 20s she goes off emotion more than logic. she doesn't have aged wisdom yet. Vi was trying to make Powder more like her yes but Vi was like a 15-year-old parent to Powder and thought teaching in that way would help Powder be better equipped for her reality. there is a difference between the Jayce and Caitlyn situations. the first already happened and Vi couldn't stop it vs Vi being right there and being able to prevent it. yes, both lost parents in a horrible way but Vi wasn't asking Caitlyn to become a Zaun terrorist and Caitlin did ask Vi to join the enforcers which Cait herself did admit she was wrong to do it. Vi isn't going against her values by joining the Enforcers. Vi sees this as the only option and she figures with Caitlin leading it won't end the same way, Vi is not an idiot she can see the bigger picture a lot of the time. Vi comparing Cait to Jinx isn't totally off the wall. Vi has seen what Cait is turning into and at the end of episode 3, she was right to a degree. yes, it's a little off but it's not that far off. I don't know maybe its because I'm a Vi fan but I don't really see how she has all these flaws. again I respectfully disagree with you and everyone else who shares this opinion. RESPECTFULLY.

  • @patriciasanchez2148
    @patriciasanchez2148 7 днів тому

    Danm great analisys

  • @cassiopeiasfire6457
    @cassiopeiasfire6457 7 днів тому

    Ah, thank you, finally explaining why Vi frustrates me. It is all difficult to understand, she was parenting as a child and then lacks 6 years of context, but yeah she's pretty clueless. I think you're underestimating Cait's dark turn. Like, Cait almost impulsively shot an unarmed prisoner/person they rescued, and Vi saw that. She might not have seen the non-diagetic Jinx-like mental snap effects, but... other example: Cait shot that target in the same *room* that Jinx shot that crow. Cait, out of rage; Jinx, in dissociated disregard, but they are developing some clear similarities. Cait's precision and Jinx's chaos are different styles of violence, but I wouldn't call Cait's old principles fully intact. But Vi... *sigh* yeah, the lead-up to the kiss was like the worst possible thing she could have said. Season 1 was all about the inevitability of change, which Vi failed to experience, and now Vi is setting her heart and her relationship with Cait on Cait not changing, which is doomed to fail, even if it didn't have to fail an hour later. Vi and Cait's relationship from here... I don't know. They were decently aligned in their purposes in Season 1. S2 Act 1, they wanted to stop Jinx and protect each other. But now Vi's two people both kinda hate her, and we know she's going to crash, and Cait's becoming a puppet military dictator. (Which, is so cool, but seems bad for her romantic prospects. And her ethics.) The trailers also show Vi fighting Noxians, who are supposed to be following Cait. So... Vi needs to figure out who she is by herself, to reconnect with people like Ekko and learn where she stands in this conflict. And then Cait would need to break from Ambessa's manipulation, heal from her grief, and find her kindness again. Which... might happen. We got Cait's full turn to 'Commander' in Act 1, so Cait only intensifying this trend for two more acts seems unlike Arcane, there's got to be more interesting development. But for them to get together again, they'd need to align politically and understand each other more deeply emotionally in a way they didn't before, for it to work with the quality I expect of this show. So I'm not sure. I'm expecting Vi to learn a lot, after hitting rock bottom, I'm really hopeful for her arc (that she'll actually get to have one this time). Cait's progression is very cool, but I don't know where she's headed.

  • @Ace_Mentura
    @Ace_Mentura 7 днів тому

    Thank you so much for this video. This is a really really REALLY good observation.

  • @jlinus7251
    @jlinus7251 7 днів тому

    It also feels like a gross oversimplification when you say Vi is just a little clueless sometimes. Especially in the context of a parentified child who is barely at the age to work through their own trauma, let alone raise a kid to be able to overcome their own traumas and insecurities. People really expect too much from Vi without acknowledging she was a victim of her own circumstances too. No kid should have to take a parental role for their sibling. It just breeds disaster.

  • @nikoguarro
    @nikoguarro 7 днів тому

    As other people have point out: Jaice had already killed the child and Vi was trying to make a point. In the case of Isha,she is still alive and Vi was trying to try to stop Caitlyn from killing a child, and posibly get through the same guilt she saw Jayce going through. Also, she is not in love with Jayce. She is in love with Caitlyn. Also, during the battle Caitlyn had already fauled 2 times because of the anomaly going crazy and affecting all hextech weapons and also because she is enraged. Also, it doesn't matter how precise you are with a gun, you should never fire it near children. Period.

  • @jlinus7251
    @jlinus7251 7 днів тому

    It makes sense why Vi was against Cait taking the shot and used the kid as an excuse. The child humanised her sister in Vi's eyes again. And Vi has always prioritised Powder. So of course she's suddenly protective of this child who reminds her of Jinx's humanity, and by extension Jinx's Powder.

  • @Iroquaise
    @Iroquaise 7 днів тому

    You are overthinking and overfeeling the characters.

  • @Dani2000T
    @Dani2000T 7 днів тому

    I think it was necessary fot them IF they want to be together...I mean Vi hasn´t experience life since 16...and Cait has always been in her moms shadow, NOW both of them can be free of expectations and "duty" or "loyalty" and find themselves. The question is their true selves CAN BE TOGETHER?

  • @Icarlyfan44
    @Icarlyfan44 7 днів тому

    Bimbo

  • @lademrat
    @lademrat 7 днів тому

    The “that was a kid” wasn’t directed at the actual child, it was directed towards the last remnants of powder, she was using the child as a way to have an excuse to save powder. Just my analyzation.

  • @danc1513
    @danc1513 7 днів тому

    I'm sorry but I really disagree most of this take. 1:05 It is absolutely FALSE that Vi was not upset the kid died. She was calling out Jayce for lamenting that "he is part of this now" when he and all of Piltover have always been a part of Zaun's suffering. She looks at the kid after Jayce is out of sight, and she is UPSET. 1:24 The fight in the temple is a completely different situation. The incident with Jayce was an accident, they didn't even know kids were there until Jayce kills the boy. This time Vi is clearly aware of Isha's presence and she is not going to risk a kids life. Especially when the kid is clinging to Jinx. It shocks Vi. Completely different situations. She compared Cait to Jinx because Caitlyn did not at this point care if her actions harmed innocent people like Isha. Cait was being reckless, full stop. Just as Jinx did not care about the harm she caused in Season 1. Caitlyn is in fact starting to behave like Jinx did in Act 1. They are mirrors of each other. "She's not chaotically dangerous, she's not descending into madness or threatening to implode". Yes she is? Cait is absolutely losing her grip and is becoming erratic and vengeful. It's understandable why, and I empathize with her pain, but lets not pretend she's not on the cusp of going too far multiple times as is clearly shown in this arc. "She has not lost her sense of justice" Again yes she has, it's being replaced with a desire for revenge as we clearly see in her reveries of killing Jinx. And she uses the Grey in the undercity which, while I understand the tactic, is still hugely problematic. And it must be acknowledged. I'm not going to quote everything wrong, but suffice to say I think your estimation of Caitlyn is very off. I love Caitlyn and her reaction is understandable, but she is very much falling off the deep end. And Vi can see that. Blaming Vi for not being as understanding as she could have been to Powder, when she's still a teenager and in a position to have to act like parent is not really fair to her circumstances, and it does not make her clueless. It makes her a teenager. She's trying her best under the circumstances. 7:04 Again Vi is right here. Caitlyn understands violently losing a loved one, absolutely. Asking someone to join with the organization that killed Vi's parents is NOT at all the same thing. Caitlyn's pain is valid, but it doesn't dismiss Vi's own pain, and asking that of her was tone deaf on Caitlyn's part. Not the other way around. 7:55 The just met each other, why should Vi think anything else other than her biases towards Caitlyn in the beginning. They are literally getting to know each other, the fact that Vi has her perspective of Caitlyn change (and Caitlyn's perspective of Vi by the way) over time is not Vi being clueless. 8:43 Again, Vi was right. It's not about lacking confidence in Caitlyn. It's about avoiding a bloodbath, of Piltover and Zaun alike. Vi doesn't become an enforcer to protect Caitlyn. She becomes an enforcer because she feels responsible for the carnage that Jinx has commited, and the death of Caitlyn's mother. "Her dad's right, there's no point sticking around... except I'm the one who created the monster." She motivated by guilt and dedication to Caitlyn. Caitlyn is Vi's only hope at this point. 10:45 "it's just Vi talking about powder". Yeah... and? She's spent the last 7ish years wanting to reunite with her little sister. It's her entire drive at this point in the story. The point is that Vi trusts Caitlyn enough to open herself up to her, and lets Caitlyn touch her cheek where she refused a few episodes prior.

    • @haneulJang-zy9jk
      @haneulJang-zy9jk 6 днів тому

      Love this comment

    • @ЕлисаветаДобрева
      @ЕлисаветаДобрева 4 дні тому

      Especially agree with the last one. I do see the similarities between Cait and Powder in Vi's mind, but the bedroom scene was not about that. It was a moment of vulnerability and intamacy, of course Vi will talk about Powder because it's what's defined her throughout most of her life and confiding in Cait about it means she trusts her. If anything, it makes a distinction between the two to Vi as she would never burden Powder with her own pain and trauma.

  • @ivaiva9637
    @ivaiva9637 7 днів тому

    This is the most intelligent CaitVi relationship analysis ive seen. Subbed

  • @cc2345
    @cc2345 7 днів тому

    Hear me out! The fact that Vi is unable to have more than one type of relationship dynamic IS the thing that will change. This will be the part of her that she will learn and grow from this season.

  • @cc2345
    @cc2345 7 днів тому

    I too am a tragic lesbian himbo

  • @illumi9044
    @illumi9044 7 днів тому

    There's a difference between Jayce accidentally killing a kid without knowing he was there vs Caitlyn making a shot a hairs length away from a kid she knows is in front of her.

  • @giovanasano3195
    @giovanasano3195 7 днів тому

    Great video analysis on Vi! Thanks for that, but I must disagree with you in some points. Especially in the bedroom scene in season 1. Vi wasn’t trying to hit on Cait, neither Cait seems to want to go for a romantic ou sexual aspect in that scene. Vi is simply talking about some childhood trauma and be vulnerable, to let Cait know more about her and Jinx. The scene was never supposed to be seen as a pre move for kiss and stuff, we need to decentralized that every interaction between caitvi is just romantic or sexual, they are affectionately bonding in this moment, they are tired from 4 days straight of being almost killed, just let this women breath and have an intimate moment with the intention of making out (bth im a big caitvi shipper i just thing that this moment you have deeply descharacterlizazed them

  • @sakurafan771
    @sakurafan771 7 днів тому

    This video sounds like victim blaming, ngl. Almost like it's Vi's fault for not seeing Caitlyn would turn into a Bigoted Dictator the moment they met and though there are signs, with her being a cop being the damnedest, it's not Vi's fault that she didn't see it coming. Firstly, the circumstances in which they met, Caitlyn literally let her out of the prison, so it makes sense for Vi to trust Caitlyn and to think she may be different. It is true that Caitlyn changed, from the person who was willing to see the good in people, and doesn't immediately dehumanize the Citizen of the undercity and willing to see that they are suffering, oppressed people to a person who does just that by calling them an animals, gassing the city just to find Jinx and throwing people who are already suffering into prison. It's not like she doesn't have evidence to the contrary too, there's literally Vi there as well as Ekko as proof of this yet she let one person change her whole viewpoint. Vi is right as well that Caitlyn is acting like Jinx. Jinx let her trauma define who she is, literally making it her new name and Caitlyn is doing that as well, letting it change her whole identity.

    • @sakurafan771
      @sakurafan771 7 днів тому

      I will admit though that you have good points on what Vi's flaws are, especially about her relationship with Powder and how she might see Caitlyn as someone who also is in need of protecting.

  • @evaiscoolest
    @evaiscoolest 7 днів тому

    Look, Cait is like my roman empire and I will defend her until the day I die but Cait is becoming like Jinx, If you look at the scenes of her almost shooting Jinx you can see her be relentless. I do however agree with you on the fact that Powder and Jinx are the same.

  • @rayeiswriting4372
    @rayeiswriting4372 7 днів тому

    Ok, I totally get you- and you’re right. But I would say, Vi shouldn’t be held to the same standard as normal people. She’s a himbo, but a very damaged himbo. And besides himbo, she’s a character trapped in a motherhood role. Everybody is ok with Jinx murdering left and right, because we know she’s not doing it fully in her right mind. She’s damaged, she’s not super conscious about what she was doing. I would just say that some people forget that Vi is a severely damaged character too. Her parents died when she was powder’s age or younger. She became her sister’s mother figure. She has parentized big sister persona x100. And Vander was a beautiful father figure. But that’s in comparison to what options they had in Zaun. Let’s not pretend he was a government standard guardian. He was good, especially for Zaun, but not a harbor of healthy childhood raising. (And Silco was worse.) And that doesn’t even mention her being raised in her formative teenage years in Jail. Like she was megamind or something. And after all of this, she came out with good intentions. Which, all of her flaws you point out are true. But the fact she went through hell and came out a Himbo and not a villain is quite incredible.

  • @davidthor4405
    @davidthor4405 8 днів тому

    I know everyone’s already said it, but I’ll throw my two cents on the pile: This is a sound, well made analysis, but I find it is WAY too flagrant in pinning ALL THE BLAME on Vi and shamelessly trying to victim-declare Cait even as she DOES grow sick with rage and hatred. The idea that Cait is “empowered” by becoming a callous, murder-happy fascist is simply absurd to me, as it’s not growth. It’s a perversion of what made her… her. Cait’s willingness to look to the humanity and good in Zaun, and who said in earnest that “this city needs healing” is her core, the good person that Vi loves. Seeing someone she loves for her empathy and humanity becoming a cold-hearted killer (LIKE JINX) is not “selfish” or “oblivious” of Vi. It’s calling out a dangerous shift in personality and behaviour to the one going through it as it’s happening. And the one time Vi sees that someone she loves HAS changed in time and tries to react to it, it costs her the only person she still truly loves.

  • @rayeiswriting4372
    @rayeiswriting4372 8 днів тому

    5:59 but, I don’t blame a child who became a mother at a very young age.

  • @rayeiswriting4372
    @rayeiswriting4372 8 днів тому

    4:28 yeah, I think this is a big separation from dissociative identity disorder. Jinx is Powder, but a Powder that has accepted her “you’re a Jinx” sort of luck and life. Now, I don’t blame Vi. Because Powder was before Silco, and I don’t blame her for thinking Jinx is a result of brainwashing from the man who betrayed their father and started the whole mess. But Jinx is thanks to Silco, but because it’s powder that has learned to accept her chaotic genius.

  • @pwpqwq7648
    @pwpqwq7648 8 днів тому

    People are calling Caitlyn a monster after she was willing to shoot a child, but if you think about it, that child's death could have saved thousands, considering that Jinx is a literal terrorist to Piltover later on. Not to mention her mother's death has broken her, all she has right now is anger, nothing else, and emotions always come before rational thinking

  • @laiag4854
    @laiag4854 8 днів тому

    I'd like to point out that I think Vi thinks (or used to think that) no one is capable enough until proven wrong. She's been taught to be a leader and a protector, and she was used to taking care of people. That mixed with her prejudice against piltover makes it a bit more than just being a Jinx 2.0, but I can agree with most of this.

  • @laiag4854
    @laiag4854 8 днів тому

    I get the vibe that Vi still just got the free out of jail card while everyone has built a hotel empire and just taxes her for no reason in her mind

  • @PeachHeadzAddiction
    @PeachHeadzAddiction 8 днів тому

    Very harshly said but def what the writers were going for Love that they really dig into her own war child psychology thingy…gonna call it that 😂 Irl these people bring me to a boiling point although I for sure have the same flaws Vi has this problem by trying to heal her inner ( former ) child self, by recreating the same patterns she would have needed herself with powder especially, without seeing others very well in their own needs But ofc it backfires like you said, Vi thinks protecting Powder is good bc she probably got beat up a lot until she grew stronger It’s great how well this video points out her flaws bc many people go through their entire life without realising they are acting like Vi and their relationships stay very shallow :D

  • @gridemann
    @gridemann 8 днів тому

    Vi is lovable but she really is not the brightest bulb Almost all she ever does is charge headfirst into situations without thinking about consequences... ...which is, funnily enough, a pretty good descriptions of her playstyle in league of legends

  • @darksaint0124
    @darksaint0124 8 днів тому

    You fail at analysis. Vi could care less about what happens to maybe or the emotional and physical state that he is left in. She doesn't know him and doesn't deal care about him. Caitlyn, on the other hand she feels the exact opposite about. Did you just find out that Vi was a hypocrite? I could have sworn that most of season 1 is her letting her rage make all of her decisions, topped off by Vi breaking every single rule we learned from Vander. Seriously, I never understand how people never realize that she never follows any advice Vander gives her. She actively does the opposite. She is still trying to solve all of her problems with her fists. She actively became a person who oppressed people from Zaun. Even Sevika learned the rule of not giving up people to Piltover. Even Caitlyn held back on the identity of Jinx. Only to have Vi disregard Vander's FINAL WORDS. At the point Vi was at, joining the enforcers is just adding punctuation to her previous behavior.

  • @toasterenthusiast8023
    @toasterenthusiast8023 8 днів тому

    I feel like you really needed to define malformed because it's really unclear what you mean by it

  • @rikmulder183
    @rikmulder183 8 днів тому

    Vi is pretty dumb socially, but that's to be expected of someone who spends half their teenage years in prison, basically growing up with prison hierarchy

    • @mushymass9716
      @mushymass9716 17 годин тому

      My thoughts exactly. Even before she gets imprisoned, she's already pushed into a leadership role with basically no real peers to facilitate healthy social development. Mylo and Claggor have each other, as do Powder and Ekko, but we don't see Vi having a single friend that's really her equal. It's no wonder the only way she understands to have a relationship with someone else is by acting as their protector. This also kind of puts the interactions between her and Jinx in the tunnels in a new light; Violence is the language Vi understands, and Jinx/Powder engaging with her through her own language is something new and strange to Vi. I think that - in a really counterintuitive way - the fighting might be good for their relationship in the long run. Maybe Vi finding a way to reconcile Jinx and Powder in her own mind is the first step towards her stepping out of her own rigidly-dualistic understanding of relationships.

    • @DarthRayj
      @DarthRayj 12 годин тому

      @@mushymass9716 Vi - stands for violence

  • @danlockthegreat9023
    @danlockthegreat9023 8 днів тому

    Vi is dumb and reckless, while cait was being levelheaded the whole time

    • @danc1513
      @danc1513 7 днів тому

      No she isn't, and no she wasn't.

    • @ez52
      @ez52 7 днів тому

      LMAO, she's literally overrun with rage and grief. Vi, in contrast, is represented as reasonable.

    • @danlockthegreat9023
      @danlockthegreat9023 7 днів тому

      @ez52 well i think you gotta see it from cait's perspective she could have easily made the shot and killed jinx she has literally never missed in the show and that would have been the right choice even if there was collateral since it would save them from war, vi is the one consumed with emotion for jinx that she can't see that jinx needs to be destroyed at any cost she is a terrorist

    • @ez52
      @ez52 7 днів тому

      @@danlockthegreat9023 Are you forgetting that Caitlyn is currently consumed with grief over her mother's death? And Vi does recognise that Jinx is a terrorist - she states quite clearly that Jinx "orphans children" i.e. she understands how dangerous she sister is; the very reason why she became an enforcer is to atone for the guilt she feels over Jinx's actions. Also, it's not logical to say that someone will 'never miss' lol. Caitlyn was tricked by Jinx just previously in the same episode and plus, there were too many unpredictable variables therefore no absolute certainty. Caitlyn's opinion of herself is not reality.

  • @lolli_popples
    @lolli_popples 8 днів тому

    I was actually rewatching this episode when this video popped up in my notifications. Seeing the text “Vi is a tragic himbo” pop up while a really serious scene was happening made me laugh so hard XD

  • @llamaboss2514
    @llamaboss2514 8 днів тому

    "Here me out..... NO (there's alot of surface evidence for this)" 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

  • @grimm516
    @grimm516 8 днів тому

    I basically agree with you on this the one thing I would like to add is it was basically expected to go down this way if you think about it vi's emotional growth was basically put on hold the moment she was taken and put in prison her growth as a person kinda stopped she did not get the chance to grow up. So this was inevitable vi's body is older but emotionally she is still that little girl that got jump and put in prison and the whole time she was in their thinking about powder the little girl that she remembers and as you said when she meets Caitlyn her surrogate powder, so I'm kinda interested to see her begin to grow up past the kidnapped girl from season 1. Love your analysis 😊 and point of view