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Going beyond craft to design AI products with soul - Jason Yuan (Dive Club S8 | E1)
I remember the exact moment where I first explored MercuryOS (www.mercuryos.com/). It was clear Jason Yuan (x.com/jasonyuandesign) was one of the most skilled design thinkers I'd ever encountered. No wonder he landed a role designing AI products at Apple shortly after.
But the main reason I wanted to interview him was to learn more about his new product called Dot (new.computer/). It's by far my favorite personal AI and a beautifully designed experience. So this conversation is a behind-the-scenes of his latest journey and a fun glimpse at what the future might hold for software products. We go deep into:
- What it looks like to design with soul
- What makes Jason’s design process unique
- Why Jason left Apple to build New Computer
- How Dot is the spiritual successor to MercuryOS
- How more designers need to become AI engineers
- Why Jason thinks dynamic interfaces are over-hyped
- How to design a product based on one magical interaction
- What Jason learned about storytelling from his background in theatre
- + a *lot* more
- Download Dot (apps.apple.com/us/app/dot-living-history/id6450016041) or check out the website (new.computer/)
- Jason's original MercuryOS (www.mercuryos.com/) project
- The original Dot website (web.archive.org/web/20240106022824/new.computer/) featuring Mei’s story (from the Wayback machine so give it a minute to load)
- Jason references Shigeru Miyamoto (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto) (the creator of Super Mario Bros)
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:25 Storytelling on the Dot websites
5:05 Jason's background in theatre
6:37 What it's like designing at Apple
9:49 The origin story of MercuryOS
11:28 Designing the Dot product
18:26 Becoming an AI engineer
21:09 The unseen design decisions
23:55 Working backward from a magical interaction
31:14 When to invest in novelty in design
32:58 What Jason is looking for in a designer
35:12 Revisiting MercuryOS
38:06 Why generative UI is overhyped
39:33 The future of generative interfaces
44:29 Looking ahead to Dot 2.0
45:58 Traits of the top designers Jason has worked alongside
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How this designer learned code and became a design engineer - Mariana Castilho (Dive Club S7 | E11)
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Mariana Castilho (x.com/mrncst) has one of the most impressive career trajectories of any designer I’ve ever met. I first saw her while mentoring through Shift Nudge (shiftnudge.com/) and within a few years she’s landed roles at Universe, Vercel, and most recently as the first designer at Pierre (pierre.co/). One of the keys to her growth has been investing in her skills as an engineer. So a bi...
What makes a software product feel great - Janum Trivedi (Dive Club S7 | E10)
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This week’s episode is with Janum Trivedi (janum.co/) who makes some of the most stunning prototypes in all of design. So the main goal of this conversation is to answer the question “what makes a piece of software feel great?” Some of the key talking points: - The 3 levels of animation - Shipping a major refresh of the Netflix iOS app - Why shaders are a big deal (and how they work) - How Janu...
How designers can be successful startup founders - Ben Blumenrose (Dive Club S7 | E9)
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Ben Blumenrose (x.com/benblumenrose) was one of the earliest designers at Facebook and has spent the last 12 years as a co-founder and Managing Partner of Designer Fund (www.designerfund.com/). That’s allowed him to invest in many of the design founders that you’ve heard from on this shown (like Jorn from Framer (www.dive.club/deep-dives/jorn-van-dijk) or Colin from Visual Electric (www.dive.cl...
How to design an AI product like Perplexity - Henry Modisett (Dive Club S7 | E8)
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Imagine leading the design of an AI product that skyrockets to a billion dollar valuation in under two years… That’s the story of Perplexity (www.perplexity.ai/) and today we get to hear from their founding designer and current Head of Design, Henry Modisett (x.com/henrymodis?lang=en). Some of the highlights from this conversation: - What it takes to thrive as a founding designer - Why Henry li...
Driving impact and gaining influence as a designer - Ryan Scott (Dive Club S7 | E7)
Переглядів 1,6 тис.Місяць тому
This week's episode is with Ryan Scott (www.ryanscott.design/) who was an early designer at Doordash and then spent years as a design lead at Airbnb. Nowadays Ryan teaches hundreds of designers ranging from seniors to VPs how to make a bigger impact at your company. This episode is jam-packed with insights about: - What it’s like presenting at Airbnb CRIT - Ways to unlock your credibility as a ...
Grow your personal brand and get noticed as a designer - Oliur (Dive Club S7 | E6)
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Investing in my personal brand (x.com/ridd_design) has been the best investment I’ve ever made in my career. So I wanted to find the perfect designer to give a personal branding masterclass and I think it’s Oliur (www.oliur.com/). He’s built a massive audience across UA-cam, Instagram, Twitter, etc. and he shares his hard-earned knowledge in this episode: - Oliur’s keys to growing on social med...
Navigating ambiguity in AI design - Maheen Sohail (Dive Club S7 | E5)
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Navigating ambiguity in AI design - Maheen Sohail (Dive Club S7 | E5)
Creative problem solving in the age of AI - George Kedenburg III (Dive Club S7 | E4)
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Creative problem solving in the age of AI - George Kedenburg III (Dive Club S7 | E4)
How Framer built their new website using the latest features like text effects and the fetch API
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How Framer built their new website using the latest features like text effects and the fetch API
What it takes to design a breakthrough AI product - Colin Dunn (Dive Club S7 | E3)
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What it takes to design a breakthrough AI product - Colin Dunn (Dive Club S7 | E3)
Going from engineer to founding designer of Arc - Nate Parrott (Dive Club S7 | E2)
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Going from engineer to founding designer of Arc - Nate Parrott (Dive Club S7 | E2)
A glimpse of the future of design tooling - Dan LaCivita (Dive Club S7 | E1)
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A glimpse of the future of design tooling - Dan LaCivita (Dive Club S7 | E1)
Prototyping, interaction design, and learning SwiftUI - Gavin Nelson (Dive Club S6 | E11)
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Prototyping, interaction design, and learning SwiftUI - Gavin Nelson (Dive Club S6 | E11)
The story of Figma’s big AI pivot - Vincent van der Meulen (Dive Club S6 | E11)
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The story of Figma’s big AI pivot - Vincent van der Meulen (Dive Club S6 | E11)
The future of AI in Figma - Jordan Singer (Dive Club S6 | E10)
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The future of AI in Figma - Jordan Singer (Dive Club S6 | E10)
How to get promoted to staff designer - Kathy Zheng (Dive Club S6 | E9)
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How to get promoted to staff designer - Kathy Zheng (Dive Club S6 | E9)
How to present your designs and get buy-in for your ideas - Alex Cornell (Dive Club S6 | E8)
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How to present your designs and get buy-in for your ideas - Alex Cornell (Dive Club S6 | E8)
How to design for the future of AI products and LLMs - Maggie Appleton (Dive Club S6 | E7)
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How to design for the future of AI products and LLMs - Maggie Appleton (Dive Club S6 | E7)
The secret to great storytelling for UI/UX designers - Ian Wharton (Dive Club S6 | E6)
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The secret to great storytelling for UI/UX designers - Ian Wharton (Dive Club S6 | E6)
How to get buy-in for your design ideas by sharing stories that can be memed
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How to get buy-in for your design ideas by sharing stories that can be memed
How to turn a layoff into a dream UI/UX job - Amy Lima (Dive Club S6 | E5)
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How to turn a layoff into a dream UI/UX job - Amy Lima (Dive Club S6 | E5)
Dissolving the line between design and engineering - Julius Tarng (Dive Club S6 | E4)
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Dissolving the line between design and engineering - Julius Tarng (Dive Club S6 | E4)
Designing a startup from 0 to acquisition - Raphael Schaad (Dive Club S6 | E3)
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Designing a startup from 0 to acquisition - Raphael Schaad (Dive Club S6 | E3)
How design at Airbnb creates a culture of craft at scale - Alex Schleifer (Dive Club S6 | E2)
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How design at Airbnb creates a culture of craft at scale - Alex Schleifer (Dive Club S6 | E2)
Doing UX research with AI - Noam Segal (Dive Club S6 | E1)
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Doing UX research with AI - Noam Segal (Dive Club S6 | E1)
Designing with a founder mindset - Helen Tran (Dive Club S5 | E12)
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Designing with a founder mindset - Helen Tran (Dive Club S5 | E12)
Tips on how to nail the sales call with Assembly CEO, Hunter Hammonds
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Tips on how to nail the sales call with Assembly CEO, Hunter Hammonds
Origin of the one week brand sprint with Nick Pattison, Founder of Primary
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Origin of the one week brand sprint with Nick Pattison, Founder of Primary
How to scale your independent design business to $1M+ - Hunter Hammonds (Dive Club S5 | E11)
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How to scale your independent design business to $1M - Hunter Hammonds (Dive Club S5 | E11)

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @James-mk8jp
    @James-mk8jp 10 годин тому

    "where does soul come from?" it doesn't! it's always there! just gtfo of the way and let it flow

  • @hello.emonhasan
    @hello.emonhasan 18 годин тому

    I have watching you videos for last 5-6 months, your channel is goldmine man, the question you ask is amazing, and all the guest are Rockstar - thanks for sharing knowledge.

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 15 годин тому

      really encouraging :) thanks for sharing!

  • @bunonregs913
    @bunonregs913 День тому

    Jason is an actual designer

  • @KhaPiano
    @KhaPiano 2 дні тому

    Great conversation. Love the way Jason thinks, especially in a world of tech that generally gravitates towards soullessness and sameness. Got a new fan from me.

  • @mikocst
    @mikocst 3 дні тому

    I love that the push for designers to code is more common to talk about nowadays. I started out as a UX Designer but wanted to learn how to bring my ideas to life. I started out using no-code tools like Webflow and eventually made the dive into coding. A certain feeling arises when you see your idea implemented/know the technicalities that go into implementation. Now that I've been building things, it's been a slow/steady journey and I'm glad I decided to go in. I appreciate that you post content like this :)

  • @The8c9
    @The8c9 3 дні тому

    at least he has the AI leathery jacked!

  • @afriendofsammy
    @afriendofsammy 3 дні тому

    Really enjoyed this convo, I downloaded Dot and was chatting away and it floored me. I'm excited to keep using it, it feels very unique

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 3 дні тому

      same I was hooked in < 5 min lol. Just wait until it starts getting proactive once it builds up an understanding of who you are

  • @michellewren_
    @michellewren_ 3 дні тому

    Fantastic episode!! I feel like I could listen to y’all talk about this all day 😂 I’m also enrolled in the course - soooooo excited for it!

  • @thiagohd180
    @thiagohd180 6 днів тому

    Absolutely great discussion! So much abt how I also see the future of our craft.

  • @considercaption
    @considercaption 6 днів тому

    I love raycast!

  • @vitormachadof
    @vitormachadof 7 днів тому

    crafting and building software can be - and is becoming - an aspect of the (product) design work, but certainly not its totality. to me, the this upcoming design engineer role is a call out for front-end developers who dont care for user experience/interface design and for designers that live too much in the figma file and dont talk to developers. it means that the bar has raised and the so called handoff process is going to require much more attention and interdisciplinary knowledge on both parties.

  • @michaelmason1010
    @michaelmason1010 7 днів тому

    Fascinating. I heard him at Config and he didn’t get into the deeper “why” of this. Love his thinking. What is meaningful??

  • @rickatfidrasoft1879
    @rickatfidrasoft1879 7 днів тому

    I am only 15 minutes into this discussion (and 30 years into my design engineering career) but had to pause to thank you guys for this video. It is a Saturday morning and I just KNOW the rest of the chat is going to be inspirational. Right, ... back to watch the rest! 🙂👍

    • @rickatfidrasoft1879
      @rickatfidrasoft1879 7 днів тому

      Yup, inspirational. I've loved moving from coding to design (and coding) as great digital products are only great if people like to use them. Thanks for some great perspectives Mariana.

    • @faturismee
      @faturismee 7 днів тому

      @@rickatfidrasoft1879 hi, im actually a designer but currently im more interested to learned coding. can you give me some advices? oh ya im still 17ys btw so ya im happy to learn new things XD

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 6 днів тому

      so glad to hear it :)

  • @Gvasconcelossantos
    @Gvasconcelossantos 8 днів тому

    Sério Mari Cast PER FEI TA

  • @kevincarr378
    @kevincarr378 9 днів тому

    So much insight here - this is exactly the type of deep-dive interview I was looking for, on an under-addressed topic! The “ah-ha” moments you both described in the design-dev journey are spot on (as someone going through it myself, also on my 3rd or 4th attempt). Having the idea of a real app to design and build from 0 to 1 has changed my whole mindset while slogging through JS. Ridd, you asked a question about design engineering becoming more “mainstream” now - do you think this is still a strong differentiator for designers to have? Is it just a matter of time before this becomes the norm? Or maybe it’s more nuanced where everyone will have their own specialization, and it’s a matter of communicating that to prospective employers/clients?

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 6 днів тому

      Personally think this is going to be a differentiator for a while. Things never progress as quickly as we think :)

  • @jesset55
    @jesset55 9 днів тому

    Big time agree that even the best Figma prototype still has a certain level of abstraction from the real experience. I wish Figma was more focused on improving / removing this level of abstraction by enabling designers to build and launch more realistic experiences directly within the browser. They seem to be more focused on building AI tools to replace designers / enable anyone to be a designer than they are concerned with improving their prototyping tools. For instance, users still can't even type within a text field or fill out forms naturally. Figma is still a far ways off from enabling designers to create truly realistic prototypes.

  • @starogre
    @starogre 9 днів тому

    great episode! i wonder what these new role 'design engineers' do when they are faced with scaling. i can definitely see a ux engineer working on making the interactions tight or designing components. but what about when you're faced with more complicated things like fast loading tables, or customizable forms like formly? and any of those third party ui components that may not exactly fit with your typical design/engineering workflow? do you use them? or is that relegated to more senior full stack engineers to implement those? asking from a large scale saas point of view, because i can personally code and style things like isolated components, but not implement 3rd party systems that interact with data on the backend as much - but those can still highly effect UI

  • @lochieaxon
    @lochieaxon 9 днів тому

    i appreciate mariana's drive for learning and care for other people's perspective in their team. great interview! ✨

    • @starogre
      @starogre 9 днів тому

      same! everyone should just have fun making stuff. that is the best path to learn

  • @zaneberzina433
    @zaneberzina433 9 днів тому

    I've enrolled to the UI Engineering 101 course on Maven. Can't wait to begin learning! :)

  • @austinskhosana2658
    @austinskhosana2658 9 днів тому

    omg i didn’t realise it was her because im so used to her twitter profile picture. omg that’s MOTHER!!!! also this podcast is the best thing on the planet for me rn. THANK YOU!

  • @yixinang3424
    @yixinang3424 10 днів тому

    thanks for this episode! speaks so much to me. i am also a designer on a journey to make beautiful interfaces by learning how to code!

  • @rugu16
    @rugu16 10 днів тому

    Great episode!

  • @cedmixon2993
    @cedmixon2993 10 днів тому

    Your content is so good!

  • @ericsonl_
    @ericsonl_ 10 днів тому

    Thanks for sharing this! I love the advice on importance of sharing of work online. Actually this one this quite challenging wanna try to do cross post by Linkedin and X

  • @jou-anchen7840
    @jou-anchen7840 10 днів тому

    Absolutely loved this interview and Mariana's practical advice. Absolutely love your channel! I religiously watch new interviews every week :)

  • @filipivanovic4150
    @filipivanovic4150 10 днів тому

    Marina do you have Financial Aid for your Engineeering 101 Course?

  • @BentoBox
    @BentoBox 10 днів тому

    This is the eps/discussion I was looking forward to the most! I started getting interested in React years ago because I dreamed of delving into Framer's guts and modifying components with code. But I was a junior then, Figma was all the rage and UX/UI/Product designers were still considered distinct roles. Every year since, I would hop on either Udemy, Codecademy and Coursera and trudge along the same basic webdev lessons with no set goal in mind, other than to reach the elusive state of 'design engineer', not actually knowing what their output resembled (back then, in the context of big corps, it seemed like they were mostly occupied building Design systems). The part in the discussion about the nature of roles shifting and the types of roles you feel compelled to apply to is also spot on. I've worked in an agency, a big SASS corp and a startup as a PD and neither experience expected me to produce a single line of code. But I also now understand that unless one considers the managerial route, there's a limit to how much you can grow as an IC if you don't seriously consider learning how to code~ Here's to not giving up 🥲🥂

  • @RandomVariable007
    @RandomVariable007 10 днів тому

    This guy seems like a one Stive Jobs would hire straight away. Loved his outlook and thinking process.

  •  10 днів тому

    Design engineer is an interesting role I just started hearing in the last months . The definition is not clear to me, is it a designer that an create components in react/swift something else?

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 10 днів тому

      It's a tough one to nail down which is why I'm kind of trying. Some report to design and others report to engineering. Often it's a bridge role between the two (i.e. creating all of the frontend code that hooks up to the data and API calls that traditional engineers are creating). Other times (like in Mariana's case) it's closer to a "designer who can code" like the original Notion hires.

    • @nuemanhanif8255
      @nuemanhanif8255 10 днів тому

      It's very fluid at the moment. I think this is expected with a unique strength on top, like if you are good with 3d or shaders or anything else which can take the level of craft to next level. And I believe design engineers steer away from the norm and acquire these skills organically, which is driven by pure curiosity

    • @robertoerre1933
      @robertoerre1933 10 днів тому

      I recently did a map that tries to define the scope and competencies required for a Design Engineering role. Although as mentioned it really depends on the company and the context. I did it because I wanted to clarify myself about what this role need to cover in order to learn it. I can provide the link maybe is helpful. Great interview!

    • @ericsonl_
      @ericsonl_ 10 днів тому

      @@robertoerre1933 I would like to know the link. Could you share it? Many thanks

    • @nuemanhanif8255
      @nuemanhanif8255 10 днів тому

      @@robertoerre1933 Do share the link. maybe we can all learn together

  • @SuperLifestream
    @SuperLifestream 12 днів тому

    User function over art. And no one has ever, EVER, in the histroy of history said "i like this new facebook change"

  • @nerdatnite420
    @nerdatnite420 13 днів тому

    Listen, I do not say this often. This video was curated and made into a fountain of relevant and applicable knowledge. I have been fascinated with Janum's work for awhile now but his depth of experience seemed so out of my domain especially as I am an iOS developer as well. Then I found out this episode dropped. Thank you. This is definitely a corner stone in my experience and progression to the next level as an iOS developer.

  • @DesignDen673
    @DesignDen673 17 днів тому

    This was great! Is there a way for us to get to the behind the scenes of these designers? Get a snapshot of what their figma files look like. How are they organised etc.

  • @_marlon
    @_marlon 17 днів тому

    Fantastic video! Thank you!

  • @O._.O._.O
    @O._.O._.O 17 днів тому

    I'm using React Native, but should I switch to iOS/Android native for smoother animations?

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 16 днів тому

      Pretty different value props. Anything native will allow for smoother interactions but that comes at the cost of building/maintaining 2 apps :)

  • @BeyMaster0609
    @BeyMaster0609 17 днів тому

    I'm literally using Cursor to learn Swift UI right now and thank you so much for the book of shaders thing its such a hack!!!

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 17 днів тому

      ya I was on it last night. Such a good resource 🙌

  • @uxwithanas
    @uxwithanas 17 днів тому

    What a genius guy, I really loved the Arc animation as i use it daily and wonder who even come up with this and here i am listening to the genius himself 👌

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 17 днів тому

      one of my favorite interactions in any product I use

  • @TheZazatv
    @TheZazatv 17 днів тому

    Thanks for a great interview, shader is a block box for most iOS devs as well. But all those juicy animations of apple like airdrop / money transfer / siri makes me wanna learn it so bad :)

  • @BentoBox
    @BentoBox 17 днів тому

    Great talk! Proud member of the rectangle world here! I feel like all designers are just RPG characters min-maxing different stats. I'd love to push on the craft side, but I've only ever worked for pre-PMF products so naturally, product strategy become a much greater focus for my character development. I'm now just starting to dabble with React at a very cursory level (out of curiosity), and I still haven't a clue what Janum's output even looks like. Start by moving a square on the screen? I can certainly do that with CSS transitions but I don't know how that'll translate to production code 😅... Most of the companies I've worked for have chosen React native as a framework instead of banking on the native approach with Swift/Kotlin; these series of interviews are definitely making me more aware of how your work environment shapes your trajectory as a designer and what to look for should one consider a move in the hopes of maxing other attributes. Cheers!

  • @vamsibatchuk
    @vamsibatchuk 17 днів тому

    This episode is so good ! Janum did a fantastic job explaining the behind the scenes. Love it

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 17 днів тому

      ya I put him on the spot a few times 😅 but he crushed it

  • @vrydesigns
    @vrydesigns 17 днів тому

    I'm so glad that we are now in the era where we talk about the feel of a software or an app. After listening to this podcast, It's getting clear that the next decade is of creators who can design and engineer products/animation/prototypes etc.

  • @stacksilos10
    @stacksilos10 19 днів тому

    This interview was incredibly inspiring and hit home on several occasions, especially when Ben shared the “Restaurant Menu” example, it truly lit up my perspective. Hope to see him again. Thanks Ridd for bringing these amazing guests ❤.

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 18 днів тому

      Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did!

  • @GershomCharig
    @GershomCharig 20 днів тому

    Brilliant episode. As a founding designer myself, I've found Ben's words particularly inspiring. I'm definitely going to follow Designer Fund much more closely from now on. And Dive Club, of course!

  • @krishnacglighter
    @krishnacglighter 23 дні тому

    i thank you from the bottom of my heart to get these videos for us designers :) so inpirational :))))

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 22 дні тому

      You are most welcome 🫶 I'm having more fun than anyone I promise lol

  • @iwannatake6270
    @iwannatake6270 23 дні тому

    Love these. Thank you so much for making them. Love your questions. Very inspiring

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 23 дні тому

      so glad you're enjoying them 🫶

  • @vrydesigns
    @vrydesigns 24 дні тому

    This is such an underrated series of interview in my opinion. I never heard about Ben. Until today. He is such an inspiring human being. Thanks for bringing him in the podcast.

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub 23 дні тому

      glad you enjoyed hearing from him as much as I did!

  • @pulkitvyas3752
    @pulkitvyas3752 29 днів тому

    You know it's gotta be a goat designer behind a great product, and I just realized it

  •  Місяць тому

    I agree science fiction brings a lot of inspiration. They are aspirational concepts from a creative non-technical of how things are supposed to work if technology wasn’t a constraint.

  • @jamesualized
    @jamesualized Місяць тому

    This is such a goated episode!

  • @krishnacglighter
    @krishnacglighter Місяць тому

    the best channel to get inspiration for designers . this is what designers need to learn.. not just tools but how to actually think like a designer to solve real problems

    • @joindiveclub
      @joindiveclub Місяць тому

      appreciate you saying that 🫶

  • @BigMan3445
    @BigMan3445 Місяць тому

    The UA-cam algorithm blessed me to find this channel as a UX design major. These talks have all been treats for me. Looking forward to more and will ask questions when I get time.