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The Third Story Podcast with Leo Sidran
United States
Приєднався 15 кві 2015
There are stories we tell ourselves. There are stories we tell our friends. There are the stories we tell strangers. There are stories we never tell.
Somewhere, in the middle of all of this, is the Third Story. The intersection between the art and the craft, the living and the living, the personal and the professional…The place where all of these meet is the Third Story.
The Third story features long-form interviews with creative people of all types, hosted by me, Leo Sidran. Their stories of discovery, loss, ambition, identity, risk, and reward are deeply moving and compelling for all of us as we embark on our own creative journeys.
Read more at third-story.com.
Somewhere, in the middle of all of this, is the Third Story. The intersection between the art and the craft, the living and the living, the personal and the professional…The place where all of these meet is the Third Story.
The Third story features long-form interviews with creative people of all types, hosted by me, Leo Sidran. Their stories of discovery, loss, ambition, identity, risk, and reward are deeply moving and compelling for all of us as we embark on our own creative journeys.
Read more at third-story.com.
Mary Sweeney (from 2018)
Throwback from 2018.
Mary Sweeney needs some air. “There has to be a flow of fast and slow, and a pause to allow the listener or the spectator to digest and to project their own thoughts.” She thinks I should leave more space in my podcasts, to let it breathe. She tells me this as we sit in the screened in porch behind her summer house in Madison, Wisconsin. As she tells me this, cicadas chirp loudly, as if to underscore her point: “Today’s episode will not be edited! You will not remove us from this moment!”
Mary Sweeney should know. She spent much of her career as a film editor, producer and writer collaborating with David Lynch. Beginning in 1985 with Blue Velvet, and continuing through the 2006 film Inland Empire, her editing credits include Blue Velvet (1986), Wild at Heart (1990), Twin Peaks (1991), Industrial Symphony (1991), Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (1992), On the Air (1992), Hotel Room(1993), Lost Highway (1996), The Straight Story (2000), Mulholland Drive (2001) and Baraboo (2009). The relationship with Lynch was productive, fruitful, and nuanced (the two were partners in work and in life for much of that time) and they have a son together.
At the time of this interview, Mary was working as a consulting producer and writer on Matthew Weiner’s series for Amazon, The Romanoffs. She is the Dino and Martha De Laurentiis Endowed Professor of film at USC, where she teaches Graduate Screenwriting Thesis and “Dreams, The Brain and Storytelling.”
Before we had this conversation, Mary cheekily emailed me a list of topics that she would be happy to discuss. They included editing, producing, screenwriting, parenting, Paris, Cairo, pie baking, and the Catholic Church. Guess what we talked about? All of it.
And we also talked at length about living and working in an intensely creative partnership with David Lynch for all those years (both personally and professionally), collaborating with one of the most innovative voices in film, and what’s so great about coming from a big family. Visit the Patreon Page for an extra 20 minutes of juicy conversation that didn’t make it into this edit.
Thanks for listening.
ORIGINAL LINK: www.third-story.com/listen/marysweeney
www.leosidran.substack.com
www.patreon.com/c/thirdstorypodcast
Mary Sweeney needs some air. “There has to be a flow of fast and slow, and a pause to allow the listener or the spectator to digest and to project their own thoughts.” She thinks I should leave more space in my podcasts, to let it breathe. She tells me this as we sit in the screened in porch behind her summer house in Madison, Wisconsin. As she tells me this, cicadas chirp loudly, as if to underscore her point: “Today’s episode will not be edited! You will not remove us from this moment!”
Mary Sweeney should know. She spent much of her career as a film editor, producer and writer collaborating with David Lynch. Beginning in 1985 with Blue Velvet, and continuing through the 2006 film Inland Empire, her editing credits include Blue Velvet (1986), Wild at Heart (1990), Twin Peaks (1991), Industrial Symphony (1991), Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (1992), On the Air (1992), Hotel Room(1993), Lost Highway (1996), The Straight Story (2000), Mulholland Drive (2001) and Baraboo (2009). The relationship with Lynch was productive, fruitful, and nuanced (the two were partners in work and in life for much of that time) and they have a son together.
At the time of this interview, Mary was working as a consulting producer and writer on Matthew Weiner’s series for Amazon, The Romanoffs. She is the Dino and Martha De Laurentiis Endowed Professor of film at USC, where she teaches Graduate Screenwriting Thesis and “Dreams, The Brain and Storytelling.”
Before we had this conversation, Mary cheekily emailed me a list of topics that she would be happy to discuss. They included editing, producing, screenwriting, parenting, Paris, Cairo, pie baking, and the Catholic Church. Guess what we talked about? All of it.
And we also talked at length about living and working in an intensely creative partnership with David Lynch for all those years (both personally and professionally), collaborating with one of the most innovative voices in film, and what’s so great about coming from a big family. Visit the Patreon Page for an extra 20 minutes of juicy conversation that didn’t make it into this edit.
Thanks for listening.
ORIGINAL LINK: www.third-story.com/listen/marysweeney
www.leosidran.substack.com
www.patreon.com/c/thirdstorypodcast
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By far the best interview I’ve seen with DF, well done……..
What song with Betty Carter call wagon wheel
Enjoyable interview. Great to hear Mr Fagen in expansive mode. (Not Lydian flat 7)😊
That was a great interview. Mr. Johns is a sensible man and pretty jovial considering his no-nonsense reputation.
Great conversation. Thanks!
Donald's comments on satire are spot-on: it's definitely hard to satirize things today with the vast amount of media out there, and especially when the interview was recorded during the middle of the COVID pandemic. As for Dave Brubeck, he's also spot-on: the music after Paul Desmond is still good, but the quartet is what we'll be listening to 100 years from now.
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Here from Schaffer lol that was rough - this interview was great 🎉 great job - good vibe
I am a bartender in the middle of nowhere. Rural Colorado.. dead in the center of what you would call an "alpine plain". A LOT of cool old country and western like Marty Robbins and Bob Wills.. ..but I personally come from the city. Real blues and real jazz. (I am a failed jazz musician, you see. LOL.) Now, when I close the bar, it is ALWAYS 80's Miles or Wes or Tal Farlow. ..but! There is somethi g else I play often..and you would be amazed how much reaction it gets in this old cowboy bar. Walter and Donald. ESPECIALLY "Kamakiriad".. "Snowbound" is always going to be with me, and many others i know.. Thanks for the great interview
Such an interesting interview. WB and DF have brought me so much pleasure over the years - they're the basis of pretty much everything I listen to.
Love to listen to Donald get so animated about how jazz is presented in art and the media, its the same level of defensiveness I used to get to in the years before Gen Z latched on to Steely Dan, and I was expected to explain and justify my musical tastes whenever I said the Dan were my all-time favourite band.
What a great conversation about Jacob's process, vision, intentions and inspirations. It's a wonder to hear his clarity of vision and depth of wisdom at that age. I've learned so much about harmonization from dissecting the songs he plays on guitar (my language) that, at times, harmony is all I think about, rather than technique. It has revolutionized how I approach arranging on guitar. I can't wait to see what the future holds.
I love the way how his whole musical understanding is build out of or can be connected with everything of our realities. And how this things are put in different contexts or intentions and get different meaning as an own kind of world. And how this things can be seen in different perspectives: emotions and logics behind or in front of the final product or other meta-informations of the production- or release-process. Even topics like learning, inspiration in general with an open and patient mindset on one site and an emotional protected mindset in front of public opinions... and than translating everything in different languages like music... just fascinating. Of course the difficult nature of some things, which appear to contradict each other.. even the way to judge or not judge things like if it is good or bad... very complex, but interesting. At this moment I couldn't find better words than this comment to describe, what I want to express. And my thoughts (like all things) could change over time, because of many possible reasons that might appear to me. I think nothing is obvious like we sometimes think it is. It was very fun listening to this conversation and sensing positive energie in it.
I'll never forget it, Leo! Much love to you, my friend !!
Wow, you're here! You are my biggest inspiration. I hope to meet you someday. By the way, your most recent video was amazing! I wish I could have been there. Even my mother who is not a fan of music most of the time LOVED it. I am 22 and have loved music my entire life. I messed around with it for a while, but I let people crush my dreams and stopped trying. They told me I was being unrealistic. What is being unrealistic about making art? People who could sing or play an instrument looked like they were doing magic to me. Despite how much I liked it, I was too scared to apply myself. I was constantly made fun of when I would sing. I have tried many things in life, but the one thing that I was constantly drawn to was music. I was introduced to video games by my parents because I did not fit in with other kids. They decided that this would help me fit in. Well, the games consumed me, and even though I fit in "better", I lost a part of myself. Looking back, I have finally realized that the only thing I really liked about the games was the music. That was my favorite part. I started taking professional vocal and piano lessons when I turned 20. Most people may have given up by then. I am giving this everything I have, and despite any results I may have, I will not stop. I am following my heart. I am tired of following others' goals for my life. My teacher believes in me with his whole heart, and who am I to let him and the others who believe in me down. You're awesome.
@@jacobcollier aw man! I’m so happy we got to capture this moment in your life together. Big love and congratulations on all of it.
@thethirdstorypod Did you delete my comment? I had left one under jacob, just saying he was an inspiration to me. I also said some things about my current music journey. It was still up yesterday when I commented, but now it's randomly gone... my yt could be glitching but it's not likely at all. This sort of thing doesn't just happen. I put my heart into that, and i know he probably wasn't going to see it, but still. Never mind, yt hid it. Thanks, youtube...
In awe… At his age... So comfortable.
I can´t get it into my head that Jacob was more defined in what he does back then than I am now😂
That is so interesting. 10 years ago, wow. How different was my, your, anyone's life back then? Thanks for this little sliver of the past. It's incredible how JC's genius was apparent back then, and how he's grown since then.
Any fan of Jacob is a fan of mine! I just started writing on Substack.
I mean this with all the respect in the world, but my.man is the definition of a curmudgeon..
What a great interview.
Interview starts at 5:33
What a brilliant conversation. Hearing Donald so relaxed and open was amazing.
I watched an old French film years ago & the lady of the film said 'Whatever you do, do it brilliantly' - Michael reminds me of that, a thing I sometimes forget. 👍😊
Good conversation - I've read the Brain on Music book & will have to dig out the one mentioned. 👍😊
So refreshing - hooked since Can't Buy A Thrill! 👍😊
Awesome interview! Love hearing a bad ass like Fagan really speak his mind. Excellent! 😎
... Anyone else thought, from the foto shot, that this was gonna be a Ray Charles thing-? A funky thing sbout that, Don mentioned his name, just as i was writing it-!!! ...
Such an enjoyable interview. I love DF. He and Levon are why I chose to move to Woodstock 20 yrs ago. Thank you!
Johnny, YOU ARE BRILLIANT the penetration was nothing short of Beatlesque, even our college professors were talking Jerky. I’m very proud of ya
I'm his biggest listener, and I was happy to find this podcast.
Probably be in the minority here, but.... Sunken Condos is maybe the best album I've ever heard. I'm a hardcore SD fan, and also a fan of Donald's solo work. But Sunken Condos strikes me as the culmination of what the SD crowd was "up to."
when is the Bilal episode
Great idea! I'll work on it.
@ I scrolled through every episode and was kind of blown away I hadn’t found it yet.
This is an incredible interview. Thank you, Leo, for being so willing to interject only when needed. What Donald says about life now, how satire is impotent in the face of a culture that is so beside itself, is incredibly wise. We really have the lost the script.
Glad you enjoyed it! - Leo
I really like what Knower is doing: it's a mix of very biting satire and more honest, kinder material. But to be effective it has to _shock_ , through language and imagery, in a way that Donald and Walter didn't have to do.
Bebop is so sweet. Amen, Donald.
Leo Sidran did a great job interviewing him. Very skilled, in letting him talk and asking a brief question in the absolute perfect places. He makes it look easy but he restraint must come from tremendous knowledge and experience.
Totally agree with him about Whiplash and LaLa Land. Did not hear the Fred Armison thing but I would dislike anyone who made derogatory comments about jazz. I really relate to pretty much all Donald’s opinions about music that he expresses here. I also hate scat singing.
Totally agree with him about Whiplash and LaLa Land. Did not hear the Fred Armison thing but I would dislike anyone who made derogatory comments about jazz. I really relate to pretty much all Donald’s opinions about music that he expresses here.
Another great interview! Thanks Leo!
I had to turn it off. I respected Paul Schaffer before that! I'm looking forward to hearing this one. Thanks for posting!
Amazing guy, amazing interview. Thank you.
I think everyone who went to the Ron Grant open mic at the village underground on Sunday nights misses it. It was an exciting time to be alive.
This was a great interview.
Amazing interview. Cole is so inspirational.
DF is a national treasure. His contribution to music will be talked about for generations into the future.
MALAMENTE BY ROSALÍA writter and producer by ROSALÍA too!
My musical sense of all things sound changed forever when I first heard "Do It Again" on an AM car radio. After that it just got better & better & better.
Thank you Rick for this interview. Please keep going. We are enjoying your musicianship and knowledge.
First off, fan of the podcast. Second, I am having a flashback of being present at Mr. P's (?) in Madison early 90s? and seeing you as a youngster behind the drum set with Richard Davis for his birthday (and a guitar player who I cannot recall). I don't have comment here other than it was a great experience personally, and what I remember most is the greeting at the door (old school sliding opening and a big dude saying "what do you want?" "Um we're here for the Richard Davis birthday?") and looking over at the bar and seeing your dad with a huge smile on his face.
CTI Records was awesome!!!!!!
Thank you so much for this, James is a gift to the music. Was honored to have him Mix my first record as well, so enlightening as I dive into mixing now too. Thanks Leo