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Matthew Moran
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Battlestar Galactica | Leaving the sublight ships behind
Scene from the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries (2003) where newly sworn in President Laura Roslin must make a difficult decision to save what's left of humanity.
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Raiders were somehow a far more effective exterminating force at the outset, at least much more generous with the missiles
this is a good analogy of sci/fi writing, we had good times up until the late 2000's and then it just went away And now we're left with the fallout, if we're "lucky"
Fun fact If the cockpit of Colonial One looks familiar, it should. It's the cockpit of a Space Shuttle simulator which was in England.
Forgot how brutal the mini-series was.
Man, this show still holds up after 20 years.
No chicken pie for you!
The darkness of this episode made this show great.
one of the biggest long term issues is losing that botanical ship immediately caused so many problems
and was still the best option.
@@mbpaintballa I don't disagree it was the only choice they could make at the time.
Th bad side of getting all the ships together like that was that the sublight ships were all neatly together for the cylons to take out at once.
Ripley would have went and rescued her😢
One of the most gut wrenching scenes in sci fi..and what made BSG so good.
Just a cold scene. You sacrifice a few to save the many. Ron Moore knew/knows how to make a tough & haunting decision a total gut wrencher on TV. The whole series was an exercise in morality and ethics in decision making. What a species will do just to survive.
I am glad to see an example of a "Lifeboat ethics" crisis in fiction. There are often times when trying to save everyone , will lead to everyone dying, because "there is only so much room on the lifeboat" In those times, horrifically hard decisions must be made, if anyone is to be saved at all
That skinjob trying to convince they rescue the other ships. Knowing full well they are about to get hit big time
They should’ve immediately excavated all of the people on the sunlight ships to the FTL ones- but I guess that’s hindsight 🤷♂️
Funny that both Lee and writers forgot about this tidbit during Lee's speech on Baltar's trail... and it was VERY poor choice that writers validated decision by letting them know that decision was right. Again, from start to finish, writers failed to really capitalize on tone of the show. Like at the very ending, there should be one last clash in protest and part of hard deal with cyclons that people either abandon tech, go with Cylons but not continue alone. One last grimdark decision.
Lee not mentioning this during the trial is part of a weird trend i noticed in the rest of the TV series that the miniseries isn't exactly ignored, but there seemed to be a real reluctance to directly reference its events. like there's a scene where Lee asks Baltar to tell him about just one selfless thing he's done in his whole life, Lee will even give him the benefit of the doubt and believe whatever he says with no evidence. my first thought in that scene was the moment where Baltar has the chance to steal the old woman's position on the Raptor when Boomer and Agathon are doing the lottery, but in a fit of (probably guilt-fuelled) uncharacteristic kindness, he doesn't follow through on it. always weirded me out that Baltar doesn't say anything, and from that Lee concludes that he has no examples of selflessness to point to. wonder if it's to do with the writers losing their nerve on a lot of the hard calls; part of the fun of the miniseries is that it writes a lot of absolutely huge checks, but the show then fails to cash them properly, and the writers didn't want to call attention to that.
This should be how the new reboot continues on..... Imagine the left over sub lighters finding earth.... our earth now, and we create Cylons to defend ourselves..... From the original 12 colony survivors..... Now that would be a long term twist.
An effective sequence, for sure, but there’s no reason Colonial One couldn’t have told the sub-light ships to scatter right away. Some distance is better than none.
No one's talking about the flight engineer behind Lee and the Colonial One pilot. You can actually see the poor guy's composure erode from stoic professionalism to sheer distress as the voices of betrayal and anger from the sublight ships pile up.
I love the vibes the miniseries gave off of pure uncertainty and terror since all the characters we follow have no concrete idea of what they’re up against which builds so much tension compared to later which is still good but the whole vibe is a lot more certain since we know the cylon’s full capabilities by then
Doral, a cylon is advocating for saving as many humans as possible? It doesn't seem that RDM knew he was going to be a cylon in the mini-series...hmmm..
Could just be a red herring, lord knows this show is filled to the brim with em
he's advocating staying in one place for long enough for the raiders to show up and nuke every single one of them
I don't understand, logistically speaking shouldn't all ships be FTL capable due to the distance between planets and star systems?
A lot of ships probably aren’t meant for anything further than in system travel, in bsg the 12 colonies are based around 4 solar systems in close proximity so it’s likely that a lot of ships don’t have one due to not being designed for travel beyond their native solar systems. Think of it like a civilian airliner vs a jet with afterburners capable of supersonic speeds. One isn’t able to make use of afterburners cause it isn’t necessary
@@jfernandez7098 but eve our own solar system is too fast for practical non-FTL flight. It takes 9 minutes for light to travel from sun to earth and 4 hrs to travel to Neptune
@@shepherdlavellen3301 but a lot of ships are self sufficient with onboard equipment for producing food plus there could absolutely be countless stations like Ragnar meant for civilians as checkpoints along the way to planets if they don’t have ftl, plenty of them like the botanical ship could absolutely be designed for longer voyages as they have sufficient crew comforts for such a journey. All we know for certain is that some ships don’t have ftl so there’s got to be a reason like maybe ftl technology is very expensive, maybe more so than every other component of the ship combined
The Miniseries implied that the Twelve Colonies were all in the same system orbiting the same star within easy distance of one another and that FTL drives weren't often used, implying that some planets shared orbits or several of the Colonials actually inhabited moons to each other. It wasn't until S3 and S4 when they revealed that it was a four-star system so such things like sublight only ships beyond fighters and shuttles were an improbable. It was an abandoned concept that never carried onto the main series since all these sublight ships ended up as part of fleet background shots anyway.
Perhaps if all the sub-lights were from Caprica's system...
That had to be the most fucked up necessary decision that had to be made. Holy shit.
Unfortunately the Colonies never learned from the first war, always equip all ships with FTL Drives military is a given but civilian as well just incase for combat readiness.
Probably was too expensive for most civilian ships, which these were. Just like today, civilian ships assume a military vessel will always be nearby to save the day.
I couldn't believe how right Adama was. How fast and efficiently the cylons striked was jaw dropping.
The moment they got access to the Colonial computer networks , it was game over. The ability to shutdown the oposing force is just beyond. After that , its only a matter of moping up the stranglers. Its ironic actually. Galactica survived because she was build at a time when people feared hacking. The new ships kind of forgot about it. They thout that putting a few firewalls will protect them against AI.... Even without the backdoors the cylons put in Baltar's program , they still could do a lot of electronic damage - remember the episode where Galactica was forced to network its computers. They had to pruge everything just to recover her after.
In a way, the Cylons showing up at the last second was a (admittedly dark) blessing for the people in charge of the fleet. It proved them right, if they'd waited any longer, they'd ALL have died. Small comfort, but better than dwelling on the posibility that they jumped away and it might have turned out they COULD have evac'd the sublights.
I think the Cylons turning up takes away from the scene, them “not knowing” could’ve been used later on.
The atmosphere of this scene is why the pilot is some of the best TV ever produced
Historically choices like this are made.
Should've been transferring everyone and everything possible off the sublight ships from the moment they showed up. Even without a guaranteed threat, still the smartest thing to do. Kinda surprised Lee didn't think of this earlier. I also get it was done for effect but I would've shut the damn radio off.
Billy was brutal with unnecessary facts LOL
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 'good' guys....the race that definitely deserved to survive the cylon onslaught.
this was the show at its finest: dealing with moral conundrums in a survivalist society. It all got a bit off track in S4 but overall still a masterpiece of a show.
This is the sort of decision our leaders, east and west, could have faced during the Cold War. Multiple megadeath writeoffs on our own side, or risk losing everything. Thank God cooler heads prevailed, and weapons inventories are a tiny fraction of what they once were.
Now think of Ukraine.
What kind of distances were involved in this show? Were they basically just hopping around the same system for awhile?
The depicted distances aren’t that far. At the end of the season 3 finale the show leaves us with the Humans and Cylons facing each other for battle in the Ionian Nebula, and then the camera zooms out to reveal the galaxy, rotates, zooms in on almost the exact same spot, and reveals Earth, but it still took another year for the show to end. However when characters talk they discuss traveling “Millions” of Light-Years. According to a BSG Wiki the 12 colonies exist within a pair of binary star systems which are 0.16 Light Years apart (About 59 Light Days). So Humanity would have little reason to travel much further than that on a regular basis. The systems are around 2,000 Light-Years away from Kobol, which the fleet finds at the end of season 1. So most likely the fleet doesn’t travel more than about 8-10,000 Light-Years during the course of the show.
When the miniseries was made the setting was one solar system with a dozen habitable planets either revolving around its sun or gas giants, but during season two they formalised the setting as being 4 suns that are rotating around each other and a single point between them.
It would have been a ballsier choice for the show if they jumped and we never find out what happened to the ships left behind.
Another example of Laura Roslin's poor leadership. If you look closely you see at least three Vipers in the scene. Put up a defense at least. also, why would they be any civilian ships without FTL drive in a multi-system? Oh wait because it was supposed to be a single system. But then why could not the Cylons just scan the entire system? Lee just said the Cylons would jump in and nukes them. Then he said they might be captured. Both can not be truth at the same time. God, I hate Lee Adama.
😂 how is this poor leadership more ship would still attack. There is no choice but to leave those sunlight ships. Doesn't matter who is in charge wend the enemy is out to exterminate you.
@@JohnG44 First, you are right when the Cylons find the sunlight ships but everything before that you are wrong. Second, again there are at least three maybe four Vipers with the civilian ships. Third, if you have watched the miniseries this is the second attack. But it was done for shock value nothing more, nothing less. So once again you are overall wrong.
@ak102986 3 vipers vs. 6 raider, they had no chance and the cylon would send more still there was no time.
@@JohnG44 They did have a chance, I think they was only 5 raiders, and even if the Cylon did send more raiders it would buy time for the sublight ships to get a least a little bit away. So, you are wrong, period. Nothing more and nothing less. We see in the series that outnumber Vipers can defeat larger number of Raiders. Since the Viper is superior to the Raider or maybe the pilots are superior to the Raider AI. So, again you are wrong.
@ak102986 viper were outnumber how they gonna gold back wend all the re Raiders lunch their missile at the fleet the colonial hand not fought in years raider were superior roslin did right who knows how many would follow. Thinking the enemy giving you time lol they were following
Heck for the cylons that’s just lazy, launching a single nuke for each unarmed ship
4:15 just imagine how Lee had to recite all these things At Baltars trial.
Dee got over his death real fast for Apollo
they're at war--suck it up, do you duty and mourn when there's time.
Tragic
Definitely one of the best scenes in the mini-series. I love the circling shot as everyone’s advising the president, really drives home the immediacy and reality of the situation. And the radio chatter + escalating eerie music as the Cylons appear contrasted with the clinical efficiency of their guided missiles … and of course the little girl, blissfully ignorant of her fate. Lords of Kobol protect their souls indeed.
This part of the show really hurt.
All this could of been avoided if the Galactica had jumped to check on the ambassador
Not likely, Galactica didn’t have any ammunition for her Flak batteries, all her presence would have accomplished is giving the ship several nuclear hits. One hit cost them nearly a hundred people, that many missiles could have very well destroyed the ship. Without Galactica the survivors in the fleet would be doomed to either die by Cylons or stripped by the Pegasus.
@jamesxiaolong2199 not to mention that throughout most of the miniseries Adama and the officers wanted to get into the Frey on what you might call the active front. Their plan was to re-arm at Ragnar and use whatever adventage had kept them from being up so far to do try to wrestle control of the system from the cylons. They were like we are soldiers we are meant to fight for our home. When Laura's fleet arrived in the Anchorage she barely talked Tigh/The Military into giving them disaster aid packs. And only because Lee called Tigh's BS they had nothing to spare by pointing out since they intended to fight they would not need some of Galacticas Disaster relief pods. Please let us have two. I am military I know you have them. It was only after Laura yelled at William that the war was lost and they had to tuck runs. That Adamas do or die spirit started to fade and only when a Billy a civilian cozying up to dee in the CiC that the civilians became humanized infront of the military became more than. Just a burden. But their mission to protect
That he changed mind and officially they became the fugitive fleet and left the colonies for good
Avoided lol. The cylon had already hacked the colonial fleet with the virus, and only galactica got saved since it was an older battlestar. The colonies were doomed already.
The stupid part of this is.... they could have just moved the ships without jumping.... Just move it enough where it wouldn't be a bomb risk and the cylons wouldn't know their exact location. Jump the f--- out when you spot them.
Cylons have tracking on their missiles, moving would have only burned fuel.
This is what TOS was missing. The horror.
This likely happened off-screen. The novelisation indicates not a lot of ships made it off the surface and those that did were just the lucky ones. 220 (22,000 in the novels) out of how many hundreds if not thousands of ships likely escaped the Cylons.
You can't always save everyone...
I can completely see both sides of this. Of course all of the ships that are able must jump out immediately. There is no other choice. Of course. However, were I on one of the sub-light vessels, I would also probably want you to burn in hel0 for leaving me behind too. I love a story where everyone is right and everyone is wrong all at the same time.
This is the scene to show people who are interested in BSG. This sets the tone of the entire series. Dark, brutal with a glimmer of hope.
Sherman was right..."war is hell..."
Sherman was wrong, in hell innocence is spared.
@@jamesxiaolong2199 Sherman never said that, by the way.