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They lost 50-5 in one of the maps.

@@xyuijenxaipo they won a lot of 2v2 vs maxter rapha

@ they lost 50-5… let that sink in

There are custom weapon models you can "buy" (with shards) that are centered if it bothers you. For me, the wobble is an important detail for the two "sliding" characters (Strogg and Slash), most other characters don't have that issue.

@Wobbothe3rd i have almost all skins and the centered thing doesn't look natural either. Weapons still wobble. I get the slash and strogg thing but there could be an option for dew wobbles and no wobbles except when shooting. A lot of models don't follow perspective correctly even in default mode..

@Wobbothe3rd fitting nickname 🤣

Good too see your still around Link, kind of wild seeing a familiar name from the late 90s still kicking it.. assuming it's the same Link (you used to play with paradoks?) that played on the teddybears servers back in the day. As much as i respect the QW scene i regretfully have to admit that the average skill as a whole is a lot lower in the QW scene, not saying they are bad but the level of consistency needed to compete at more recent titles (i.e QL,QC etc) is a lot higher as a whole.. the top of the current QW players all have decades worth of experience to lean on and quite frankly playing duel can be daunting for people trying to get into the game as it boils down to an extremely long "spawn die repeat" cycle before the game starts clicking, resulting in a fairly low amount "fresh blood" into the scene. The most recent player i can remember that actually tried to get anywhere in QC was LocKtar (i think milton attempted to play as well), and his results more or less boiled down to losing every single game to "randoms" in every official game he played, as well as struggling badly in ranked while still placing top3 or winning in QW for that duration.. (not a dig at him, i suffered the same fate despite winning some official matches and having a relatively good SR/rank at points). I also think that the gameplay of something like Q3/Ql and QC just doesn't fit a lot of players from the QW scene, which is why you are not seeing "modern" qw players in q3,q4,qc etc. Q2 was not much better, seeing the likes of PURRI struggle extremely badly in Q3 and QL (i mean i was consistently beating him in both q3 and ql .. .and i was quite frankly terrible.. at the same time i couldn't touch him in Q2) while having SOME small success in Q4... i think it just boils down to a lot of these players being relatively big fish in a very small and shallow pond. (which kind of holds true for the peak of QC as well, a lot of extremely mechanically skilled players from other games just gave up on duel as it just didn't suit them and struggled because of it.. leaving a lot of "bad" players to play the game against extremely seasoned Q3/QL players). Historically, the best players with longevity have a very good track record of being able to move from one game to another and still be successful (e.g rapha going from QL to OW to QC and still being very successful in every title). Much like the "golden" years of Q3 where the top players were a healthy mix of Q1/QW and Q2 players. LakermaN and thresh come to mind as they adapted QUICKLY to q2 and q3, Fatal1y was a decent QW player and went on to become the best q3 player at a point and later being a perennial top3 in PK and Q4, you could even look at someone like Blue who jumped from qw,q2,q3,q4,cs and CoD and did relatively well for the time he spent on said games (despite not having a lot of tournament wins he was still very highly regarded by more or less everyone). You can then reverse this somewhat and have q3,qc etc players go to QW, and i doubt they will have much success at first.. though i suspect players will relatively quickly catch up and surpass the current top. (DDK coming in as an experiment to play QW for fun and catching up as quickly as he did is evidence of this.. as much as i like DDK he just wasn't a top dueller in q3/ql). "For sure the bar has been set now? It cant be any better now can it?" This will always change, though what i think we have reached is pinnacle of what is possible in terms of aim and movement (i.e mechanics).. what is going to set players apart is the consistency of decision making in matches and i think there is a lot more room for this improve over time, it's all down to experience and weeding out the players who struggle with the "strategical" aspect. cooller and rapha were never known for their aim and would essentially brute force wins by pure decision making alone... in both their cases, despite them not being "aim fiends" their mechanics have evolved over the years to still keep their decision making being the largest factor to them being able to win consistently, and still being in the top as a result. At the same time you start seeing the likes of RAISY, vengeur, maxter and clawz etc come in and shake things up.. Hell, in the case of clawz and vengeur i was literally there to see them grow up from clan arena stompers to what they eventually became, and it was evidentially clear from the start that they had something the majority of players do not have (even in the case of some top players). Anywho, i am actually curious if QW still has a competitive scene going for 4v4.. wouldn't mind jumping in and trying to play again.

Great to hear from you <3

@@pitchatan Ye i played with a lot of ppl back in the day, including Paradoks. He still plays and so does many other of the old timers. Come visit? :) Even Izno (TGI admin) logged on to discord not long ago! Pitchatan was your nick back then? I guess not :) It is very interesting what you write about tactics and decisionmaking, because i guess the natural evolvement for QW was that QW was meant to play fast, aka +forward, good mechanics, good aim and yes: high risk play. A lot still says: "Well, thats how you play QW". And that goes not only for duels, but for 2on2 and 4on4 as well. "Camping" in QW is still, by many, viewed as "lame" and not very "skillful" way to play. In 4on4 its accepted of course, its a smart way to win. The reason i mention this is because when i see a high end QC duel for example (just watch some final with Rapha on youtube), i can understand why the "hardcore" QW player thinks its a bit boring; the way the game is played is way different in QW. Lot of the maps being played in duel in the other Quake's are also bigger than in QW. I guess the playstyle also got something to do with it. There have been ports from for example Quake3, where the map Lostworld was ported to QW. For a QW player this is a HUGE map. I guess the RAIL demands some more huge spaces for the other Quakes. A larger map ofc demands other tactics. In general a QW player would go: "This map sucks, too large for duel." Another important factor here is Money. QW at the top level was never about money, coz there were none. A valid question is: "Would the playstyle in QW duels be different if there were big money on the line?" I think; Yes. The fast pace and high risk playstyle of QW is developed by a community who never took money, they played "just for fun". If however there had been as much money in QW as in the other games, the playstyle of the high end players would change radicly and you would have much more low risk plays. And ofc: other decision making than you got now. Decision making in QW nowdays are generally: "How can i get more frags with high risk plays and cool tricks." Money changes things. Also playstyle. So to claim that QW players got less tactic skills and weaker decision making comes down to how you want to play the game. There are still very tactical players in QW when it comes to duel, but they are fewer. You throw in some million dollars in QW duels over a 10 years period youre gonna see some radical change in playstyle. When it comes to QW players who have "tried" other Quakes, i think they get bored fast, hence the reason they still like QW the most. Sure, tactics and decisionmaking is a skill, but so are other things :)

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agent is ranked at #234 with 1 point for his top8 on DHW18, he never played an international lan in quakelive and dhw18 for qc was his only international top8 lan finish

Working on it!

We may never see another player quite like him...

​Totally agree, great video btw man 🙂 ​@@EndpointQuake

maybe and only in last game or two

Who do you think will top the 2s and Sacrifice lists?

Out of all the quake communities, they were by far the laziest. I joined 4 different q2 discords, dm'd 20 people and asked for help in the main channels The only person who bothered to reply back and give me some information was david In contrast i joined one qw discord and asked for help and 10 ppl offered to help but there wasnt even much need, cause they have a perfectly maintained website with records of all history

Thanks for your insightful comment! I think the idea with this was to avoid the pitfalls of the "most talented" video where everyone defines "talented" differently. But it's great to learn more about Quake 2!

@ins7181 Ty Ins, that's sad to hear, except about David. And again thank you for putting this all together, Av3k for being Av3k and your decade of casting -- evilbollweevil

@EndpointQuake Awesome, quick reply -- I should've put up a big disclaimer "Hopelessly biased-for-Q2, completely subjective opinion incoming!" I think a data-driven, spreadsheet approach was the best strategy to weave around objections and subjectivity no doubt; As a frequently absent mod in Rapha's Twitch channel, I absolutely agree with your inescapable conclusive result. Shane crunched the game like a sports statistician, drove the champs like a Hamilton and approached his career, well, like a professional work career with all the necessary habits&practices for success. He didn't begin Quake with a neurochemical aim advantage like a K1llsen but instead overcompensated by absorbing the game's blueprint and reverse engineering it into his own .cfg file (the aim just got better and better with old fashioned practice!) Some of his career losses were deeply personal, irl ones; They would all be smiling and proud of his accomplishments and contributions without a doubt.

@@ins7181 The Q2 scene is not very helpful indeed and it is not easy to gather information, but in comparison the Q1 scene is probably the most active Quake scene and compared to our Q2 - people are much more helpful and care about keeping the game alive. I don't know if you would find more global tournaments than the ones you mentioned, probably only some local LAN tournaments. Despite everything we still play, once in a while there is an online tournament, and once a year I organize a LAN Party where I invite people from Poland and Europe, although even Jehar came to the 25th anniversary and about 60 players showed up. Finally, I'll just congratulate you on the very good material and the effort you put into it. Very good job! 👌

Great idea!

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Very good idea!

"l1nkin" clinched it for me.

lol xD

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I'll see if Av3k and ins will put it up!

@@EndpointQuake thanks in advance!

Chat do we send Av3k

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He is a legend for sure!

I think you might be talking about the quakecon Quad Damage tournament in 2007.. av3k didn't attend and the tournament was more or less dominated by toxjq, with fox/fojji coming in second.

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Found another strenx fan!

No need to - competitive Quake is mostly duel anyway. It's the "default" mode for pros.

@@Patrol1985 Umm not necessarily -- there's a reason people know who Zyrinx and l1nkin are. CTF was a blast to watch in tournament play.

Maybe if we do a team followup?

@@michaelmaloskyjr I'm not saying it wasn't. I just said that the duel is the "default" mode for pros and I will stand by that claim. All the pro league matches revolved around duel; all (except for like ONE) QuakeCon tournaments in recent years featured the duel tournament as THE most important one etc. When was the last time any CTF tournament got so much attention and spotlight as duel tournaments? I checked l1nkin's results out of curiosity and from what I gathered the last major Quake CTF tournament he won money for was in 2015 back in Quake Live. That was almost 10 years ago. Meanwhile the duel players have had active, pro competition going all the time up until recently.

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