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I know several manufacturers tell customers they built units that will run on low flow, however I would strongly tell you to not waste your money unless you have a higher flowing machine. Yes the disc will run and I use mine in low flow mode sometimes in 2” and smaller brush but any thicker you will have to keep slowing down and waiting for the disc to catch up. Shredding larger trees will be impossible unless your getting paid by the hour than go for it because you will be there for a while. If you have the termination you can go through mostly the same thickness in brush but those don’t seem to use as much GPM to do the same work. In all respect I take my terminator out more than the disc mulcher because it is faster and still leaves I nice finish.

Was going to follow up with a tractor flail mower or a Brushcat was my first thought

@@jeffmawhinney1709 most stump grinders put out a dust or more sand like shavings, this will be more like larger pine bark mulch. To your other post on flail mowers. I have a flail mower and to this day I don’t think they get the credit they deserve. There are MANY jobs I look at and simply just take my track and 3 point flail mower and finish way before a track loader or mulcher could dream or. And the ticker is my tractor is only 40 hp so I can run two days on one tank of diesel. My flail mower is rated for 2” but I have pushed over 3-4” pins with the front end loader and ran over them with the flails. I would go with a flail all the way for a groomed clean up.

The Line of sight isn't great. The cover could be much smaller if you actually look at the size of the motor to cover ratio, I believe it was simpler to manufacture a big square than a contoured shape, is my guess. Most disk mulchers you cannot see the exact contact point on the ground regardless of the motor cover. That is where drum mulchers do a better job, its much closer. I hope that helps brother.

yep! thanks for the reply!@@easttexasengineering3489

There was a few times in the video when you see the willow trees wrapped around the disc, that’s usually on low flow. It will shred pine trees on low flow but willow trees are too stringy and I learned to leave it on higher flow for certain trees.

@@easttexasengineering3489 that’s mainly all I would be cutting is pine and hedges and hardwood. Would you recommend getting one for a standard flow machine? I have a 2015 TL8

Save the money and go with the heavy brush cutter. Not sure if i posted a video of the rut brush cutter i also have but they both will take out trees up to 8" thick but the brush cutter seems to do better using low flow. The disc mulcher uses a lot of hydraulic pressure and you will be disappointed.I am referring to the heavy brush cutter with the 7" wide blades not the one that uses the same blades as a tractor brush cutter. @@hendersonlandworks6158

@@tyronejoseph4598 okay thank you sir

@@tyronejoseph4598 is yours the terminator xp with the 4 blades and carbide on bottom?

I will be 100% up front, disc mulchers work better with trees that are still standing not brush piles. The problem you will have is they truly do throw pieces up to 300 feet and you will find yourself going back and forth chasing the pieces. If the tree was still rooted you can chop the top and just use the bottom of the disc to shred the rest. It’s rare that you will grind a tree sitting on the ground without it being thrown before it’s completely shredded. I hope this helps. Respectfully Ty

No regrets at all, as far as recovery, it really depends on what your doing. And here is why I reply this way. Yes with 75hp recovery is slower than a 100 hp but not at all awful and mostly only noticeable with the mulcher and not the heavy brush cutter. I can walk down a 4” pine tree without even slowing this machine down, so recovery is pointless, however oak and hard woods will slow down the disc. This is when recovery plays a roll. 5-6 in pines will start to slow it down but keep in mind most of what your mulching with a skid steer is 2-3” diameter. The weight of the disc itself plays a part in why smaller machines can roll with the big boys. It’s so heavy once spinning it takes a lot of force to slow it down.. I hope this helps.

I use the high flow on anything that is 3” diameter up to 8”. Any smaller that 3” diameter I switch back to low flow. Like all mulchers they will run on low flow but you do lose a lot of rpm and torque. Can you run these on high flow 100% of the time, yes however on smaller units like mine you lose a little of power on the tracks when using the high flow. I hope this helps

Yes, it’s been good to us. There was minor things we modified but honestly that’s the case with just about everything we buy 😬. The original location of the hydraulic lines didn’t work for us. Also we will be changing the bolts on the cover to hinges since rain water and leaves keep finding its way under the cover and require to get cleaned often.

@@easttexasengineering3489 when cutting bigger trees how does the machine handle it ?

@@rngn2010 Its rated for 8" trees and if you are using high flow hydraulics even 12" pines is no problem, I will stress (hydraulic GPM is everything) I use my machine on Low Flo cutting 4" diameter trees and smaller but if you are going 5 to 12" bigger you WILL need high flow hydraulics. My TL8 os 17-22 GPM on low flow and 33 GPM on high flow. So back to the question, Its not the disc mulcher limitations, but how much hydraulic flow your unit can throw at it. The RUT is built like a tank. 1/2" plate and double gussets everywhere. Sure, its not the best looking unit but i will say its built heavy for long term use. Rut mfg could have made it more aerodynamic, LOL but I see they focused on strength and not a pretty iphone.

If this is for yourself I would go with the heavy brush cutter. 100%. The brush cutter is not a mulcher but will do the same thickness in trees at a much faster rate and take less power from your equipment to run it. I bring both on many jobs and change the head back and forth. It’s truly worth the $3500. I was not bullshitting when I stated to take out 10” trees with the heavy brush cutter. It’s no joke. I use it on both high flow and low flow modes. I hope this helps

@@easttexasengineering3489 What brush cutter are you refering to? One of the rut's? Do you ever think that you should have a little heavier machine like TL10 to handle the head.. Like on hills? Would you think a brush cutter would do well taking out Juniper. Chip it up relatively well?

@@kurtfrome multiple good questions brother. I was referring to the rut manufacturing heavy brush cutter. It has the three 10” inch wide blades. The heavy machine carrying the same cutter works to a disadvantage going up hill because the TL10 and TL8 have the same drive system. You can observe this by looking at the accessory flow rate on the TL10 is slightly lower than the TL8 due to the hydraulic drive motor needing more flow to drive the unit. Also I chose a radial lift machine which lifts more weight than a vertical lift. We use our TL8 to lift 5,000 machines in our machine shop often. The TL10 with vertical lift most likely cannot do this even though it’s ,1700 more weight. However, when facing downhill with cutter in the front the TL10 will be more fit. We are limited on steep grades going down but not uphill. You will have to decide what is more important to you. Both are great machines but I am not a fan of vertical lift machines, it’s a lot of stress on the joints but they will work. If you can buy a TL10 with radial lift that’s the way to go. But you will be reduced in accessory hydraulic flow rate by a smidge. I hope this helps brother

@@easttexasengineering3489 Thanks for the insite. I need to be able to go up and down hills here in Montana so wonder if the tl10 may be better. A neighbor recently went to a bigger macine to run his heavy rotary grinder both for spinning it and because he couldn't stop going down hills..too front heavy. I want somthing that runs the 48 inch disk at full capacity...I assume you mean the radial will lift more at lower heights is my understanding?

@@easttexasengineering3489 i have rut mfgs terminator xp which is 7500$ not 3500 and it barely cuts 10 inch trees. it cannot mulch a 10 inch tree up at all unless its a super soft wood tree. cedar and oak and even mesquite it cuts very poorly. leaves giant chunks everywhere. it works good on 4" and under trees. yes it can cut a 10 inch tree down but it does a very poor job. thats why ive been looking into ruts disc mulcher. hopeing it will work better on big trees than a brush cutter

Honestly everyone charges differently. Here where I am it’s seems to go for $120 - $250 hr. The higher prices usually includes stump removal etc. But both charges the exactly the same rate.

Thanks for quick response I am a paid firefighter work a 24 on 48 off schedule live in the Waco TX area have been considering this industry for some time to try and make some side money do you think purchasing a disk mulcher and renting out the track steer could be a feasible way to get started. I Would welcome any feedback positive or negative to this strategy or any issues my fd schedule might cause. Thanks again for being so generous with your knowledge and willingness to answer questions.

My unit is equipped with momentary switch or continuous. There is two buttons with my model.

You are so correct brother. However its people like us that built this great country, People that take a chance. It cost money to make money, Period..... The land clearing business is more of a side business that supports my high end clients to the machine shop but its all worth it. Never stop dreaming or go stagnant. I love the look of the 4500 but go and drive it and you will see why I went with the 3500. You are not losing Tow capacity with a 3500 in the new truck world, you are only gaining payload with the 4500, and 5500 capacity. However they ride like crap, and I still take family out in the 3500 some weekend in Dallas. All the big 3 trucks in the 3500 class ride great and will tow 37,000.. You can get a 4500 ,and 5500 cheaper than a 3500 though. At least that is what i was seeing, they are cheaper but more stripped.

Jon, The Takeuchi dealer here in Tyler, Tx is amazing. They let me use all 3 units for 24hrs. I ran the TL8, TL10, and TL12. The TL12 is a beast but was more machine than I plan on using as well it is a very HEAVY piece of equipment (decision was not because of cost). IN comparing to the TL8 vs the TL10, I would not pay the $7K difference for the TL10. Here is why. Engine and Hydraulic system is identical, The TL10 is a lot heavier with the same power train (keep that in mind). The only benefit you are gaining is Lift capacity. The TL8 can be towed with most 1500 pick up trucks and the TL10 cant so resale will be better. If you are after lifting capacity go with the TL10, if you are mowing, moving dirt, attachments go with the TL8. I hope this helps brother...

@@easttexasengineering3489 Thanks for the advice! I’m still mulling over the decision. And I’ll keep you posted. It will totally be a side job for a couple more years. After thinking it over, a TL8 with counterweights might be the right blend of lift capacity and portability. My 3500 is an 06 that’s been paid off for years, and still rolling strong at 173k. The 4500 had that new feel, but dealer wasn’t doing me any favors. I think they totally fixed all the transmission gremlins when they went with the Aisen. Was that a TYM tractor in the background? -Jon

@@StartBuildingYourDreams Jon, The tractor is a Branson. I believe they make the best all around tractor on the market. I do a ton of research on whatever i buy as an investment and usefulness. I chose Branson because I could not find any negative review on them, and second they are the heaviest tractor on the market. To be clear this tractor is 1800 lbs heavier than every tractor in its HP range, they also offer full size frames in compact class tractors. I use the tractor for some land clearing jobs with a flail mower on the back and as a fork lift as well so the heavier weight helps keep the tractor in check. I owned a Kabuta and a Kioti brand prior and this one is wayyyyy better.

@@StartBuildingYourDreams The Aisin tranny fixed a ton of problems. Two of the best transmissions companies on the market, Allison of the USA and Aisin of Japan. Both are some of the best quality on the market. Not saying others are bad but there is good and there is great. LOL. You mentioned you have a older Ram , That is not a bad thing at all, Less electronics meal less crap to go wrong.. The one thing I really love with Chrysler in general is the ability to purchase a lifetime warranty. This is through the manufacturer and not some second hand service company. As a business owner I work on a budget and vehicle repairs is not a surprise I want to see the i buy the warranty up front for the life of the vehicle. Feel free to hit me up anytime man, Engineering@DEMsolution.net

High flow, 33 GPM. My TL8 is fully loaded, I can dial in the hydraulic but I will tell you DO NOT get into mulching without high flow. You would waste your money. Yes I can run 20 GPM in this disc mulcher but better not go into anything over 3” diameter, it will stall. On high flow I have cut over 15” trees and grinder stumps over 30”s diameter. If you are going into this business full time get a minimum of 100hp such as a TL12. This is a side business for me and I only do maybe 2-3 jobs a month for customers to my Maine business the machine shop. However, yes you can run a small business with a 75hp unit but just stay under 2 acres a day to be say. FYI my unit has never ran hot at all.

@@easttexasengineering3489 Thanks for that. Im buying an ASV120 Forestry... My local dealer is a Takeuchi dealer as well. I want the posi track tho since I'll be in the forest a lot. Thx for that!

Both are the best units for mulching, asv using the best American Diesel engine and Takeuchi using the best Japanese Diesel engine. Keep the customers happy and you will thrive. Keep in touch

@@easttexasengineering3489 Thx again. I appreciate that!

@East Texas Engineering. I’m looking for a mulcher or cutter that will tackle the extensive amount of yaupons (1-3”) on my property. Also want something that will take down some larger trees so i can clear my fence line as i have 60-70 years of growth on my property. My skid runs 24GPM, what attachment would you recommend from what Rut MFG offers? Appreciate in advance for any advice.

I have a video called 100 hour review, it better explains. Disc mulchers are 10-20% faster than a drum style, they are cheaper as well. Keep in mind they are not cheaper because of effectiveness, just cheaper to manufacture. One main bearing vs two, direct drive vs pulleys and belts and gear boxes. All of a few reasons they are cheaper. However the difference between mulch is the big difference, in my opinion disc are far better at clearing land but not as fine of a mulch that a drum can produce. Drum style produces a way better mulch. I do not go after jobs that the customer is looking for bags of Home Depot style mulch. You get larger pieces from a disc. Thanks Ty

@@easttexasengineering3489 Great explanation and I'll go watch that one as well.

It can be very profitable brother as a self operator. In my case this is a business outside of the machine shop that generates what I call hard in hand cash and not NET30 or Net90 payment terms. My machine shop is the real business but all my large customers have pretty horrible payment terms so this fills in the gaps. Go for your dreams and get started brother.

So how much do you charge for your services so I have a idea ??

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Sorry it took this long to reply. It’s 8350# track loader, 2500# for the disc mulcher. I carry a tool box 450# on the front of the trailer# and 50 gallons of extra diesel. Pretty close to 11,400 which is what it weighted not counting the gooseneck trailer. I would not use a 1500 in my opinion. 2500 minimum. My Titan XD does added payload capacity and 6” frame rails similar to a 2500. It is used as a backup now since the purchase of my Ram 3500 HO dually. With that said with the Titan XD I never felt like the trailer was too much but I owned a regular Titan prior to the XD and I don’t think the suspension would have been strong enough for this weight. However just my opinion. I know ford has rated the new F150 in this class but you can watch when TFL truck did the test, Titan XD vs F150 towing lots of weight. All they said was the ford was faster up hill but was very unstable vs the Titan XD which controlled the trailer . Best luck brother . It’s a great business

@@easttexasengineering3489 Interesting, and thank you! I will not try a 1/2 ton! 7.3 right now, and I run heavy duty rated tires (E). Safety first!

Christopher, I Appreciate the tip brother, however the customer actually wants the mulch spread out as much as possible so there is no clumps of mulch when he plants grass seeds. I was shocked myself how the ground was pretty dry until I started working it. The water was getting pressured out by the weight.. anyhow, have a blessed day brother..

Not at all brother. The unit has never struggled with the mulcher or bogged down. However, what you are hearing is using the tracks and the mulcher in high flow while in mud. All track loaders will have this issue. Anyone telling you a 120hp or a 75hp track loader will run 100% using high flow mode and full forward or reverse on both tracks are full of Shi__t. I have been in several brand track loader with larger heads and moving while using high flow it is always sorta a strain the equipment. Remember these are track loaders and not dedicated forestry mulchers. In my opinion 75hp is a great start for jobs ranging up to 1-3 acres a day, 100hp is 3-4 acres a day. 5 plus should go into a dedicated forestry machine with 150hp+. If you getting into the bisiness brother let me know, I can help get you in the right direction or chat with any of the you tubers here, all are nice people willing to help.. Respectfully Ty

I have a Cat 299 D2 XHP and looking into buying a disk mulcher over a drum. What are your thoughts

Some customers we do pluck them up with a excavator, but that also leads to having to fill a bunch of holes and also removing all the plucked trees. Willow trees are no wort money. Honestly I burn them in a fireplace at the ranch and they burn great but trying to convince people that is hopeless until wood is scarce.

Eric, Thanks for the great compliments brother..

Thanks for the positive feedback, I get a lot of grief over using a 75 HP track loader for mulching. However it is still a high flow 33gpm and I also spent 20k less for a brand new unit. My machine also only gets used 2-3 times a month on high end customers hunting grounds. As far as your VailX rotary mower, I know that model very well. I also have a rotary mower by RUT manufacturing and It can tackle the same size material as my disc muncher, just leaving larger pieces. I actually use it more than the disc muncher because it seems to take a lot less hydraulic power to use. Both are great pieces of equipment to own. Respectfully Ty

@@easttexasengineering3489 I find myself doing mostly underbrush clearing with my vail. We have a few invasive species here in Illinois that is the majority of my mulching work. Russian olive and honeysuckle are mostly what we see here. I like your Tak skid. Have spent a few hours in those things. They are tanks, and will push like little dozers... if I was moving dirt all day everyday a TL12 would probably be at the top of my list. With only having one machine, my 259 fits my needs pretty well overall. As you know, there’s always projects where I wish it was twice as big, and projects where i wish it was half the size.

For a smaller unit (8,900 pounds) the TL8 can do a lot of work. The mulcher head were using weights 2150lbs and we can lift it at full height without tilting.

Please keep up on UA-cam, I will try to keep up to date videos. The hard part is Long Rang accuracy is a brand and the machine shop DEM Solutions still has tons of contract orders from Polaris, Cat, Ruff Stuff Specialties, and so on. We are working to better staff up but still a small mom and pop shop but growing.

I actually took your order brother, (we dont sell as many 22lr blocks but they do sell) I appreciate your kind words. Call us for anything man, we are a full service machine shop with a Mechanical Engineer on site.

@@easttexasengineering3489just watching your video for the first time, I’ll be giving you guys a call soon