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It's not an odd theory lol! And very good to test ideas but the problem is a) the missing fabric is on both sides and b) the lining steps in for the missing wool - meaning the sword wouldn't really be any freer. But it's an idea to keep in mind. Which side did they wear the swords I wonder? On the left? So the right hand can grab it?

And sorry I just realised you were wondering if it was the slimming down nature that worked better for the sword and not that it was open 😅

@@HandBoundCostumes yeah it was just the slimming down of the weight of the fabric perhaps making a difference I did look at a couple of portraits of the time and it did seem to be that that was the side where the sword hung. It was just an odd thing that popped in my mind as I was looking at it. I mean you know there’s the theory that men and women button their clothes differently because of access to a sword. Don’t know whether that’s been exploded as a myth though?

Thank you - it is a gorgeous coat :)

@@HandBoundCostumes It really is. I imagine how elegant he looked. ☺

I've just checked North Lincolnshire's website and Normanby hall's website and neither has official photos up of the collection but we have been sharing some of our research photos on our facebook and instagram. But perhaps I could add a job to the list of creating a page on our website designated to the collection and featuring all of the items. I can message you here once it's done??? :)

@@HandBoundCostumes that would be amazing! Thank you for taking the time to show and talk about the garments construction details.

It really is! It's such a benefit to understand the cut of clothing when you can study the same garments from the one person and this collection spreads over quite a few years. I'm talking about the project at Colonial Williamsburg's Symposium this year in November if it was of use to you, and I plan for a paper too. :)

That is HONESTLY absolutely how I feel lol when I put my hand into the pockets! It does feel deeply personal and like very few people would have done that since the last original wearer!! ❤

@@HandBoundCostumes Thanks for saying. I so often feel like I'm the only one who feels/thinks these things ❤

Lol it's not just you. I think studying the stitching too - I get the same feeling - that somehow you are seeing what the maker made. :)

@@HandBoundCostumes 😇❤

That waistcoat is particularly delicately stunning, isn't it! Lol...and the purple stars....:)

Lol :). Star man !

Hello :) - Yes it's part of the original text. There is more if you wanted to google it and the original author is obviously teaching French to English folk and using these wonderful scenes.

Though it tackles some fairly advanced tasks - like drafting a pattern - the course does it at a step by step pace suitable for a beginner. And though it seems complex, working through the whole process of the gown means the student will be a lot more aware of their gown and in step with how and why it works 😊. This is just a trailer - the part where it mentions scaling has been taught in a previous section so would be clear to the student by the time they would get to that stage filmed 😊. Hope this helps!

It's awesome isn't it - a real random find. I think the full book is on google books if you wanted to take more of a look! :)

@@HandBoundCostumes Thank you! I will!

Hello - thank you for your comment. Ok - so it's not dead obvious - as you can imagine but yes bust to waist ratio is very important - or nape to waist if she knows that. And a good kinda standard way - is measure the bust on the stays and compare it to hers. She needs to be about 1 1/2" to 2 1/2 inches larger for it to be kind of comfortable. Do the same with the waist but with the waist you can go up to like 4" larger as the waist can be pulled in further than the bust. If you measure these - and she's not like massively bustier than you, you should get a vague idea if they will work. Hope this helps :) xxx

Thank you 😊. It's the details that are the juicy bits lol! Thanks for messaging. Xxx

I know, l'm so sorry - it's such a pain in the bum! Sadly too, because the book is landscape we can't currently turn it into an e-book. But, when we get a little bit more funds we'll have it re-laid out into portrait which can then be turned into an e-book. Xxx

We've created the sample - but are awaiting for the measurements of the man we've got to make it for. We'll also be working on the original pattern that we have at some point too as we have fabric kind of similar to the original (kind of anyway). I'll see if I can find a pic of our sample :) xx

I can't seem to add a photo - but please feel free to check out our facebook/Instagram pages and if you scroll back enough you should be able to find images of the first sample. many thanks for your comment.xxx

@@HandBoundCostumes Perhaps by this stage you might be done with your research; however, I have some pictures of a suit 1761 quaker wedding suit which currently lives at the Yates County History Center in Penn Yan, NY. The link to the Facebook post with all the pictures is shared below. I have also examined a plain worsted coat at Historic Deerfield which was allegedly constructed in the 1760s; although, has had numerous alterations. The links to the facebook posts with the pictures I took of this coat are shared below. On top of this, I am going to be posting on Friday several pictures of a circa 1750s coat that I saw at Historic Deerfield. If this is something you would be interested in, I can send you a message on Facebook to let you when it is published. Don't hesitate to ask me if you have any questions. If necessary, I can even forward your questions to Yates County History Center or Historic Deerfield. On another note, I was immensely impressed with the video you published today in which you examined the yellow night-gown. I am probably not going to be sewing a garment like that for myself anytime soon; however, I shared the video with a friend and now she wants to buy the book. This is the sort of in-depth analysis we need more of. Keep up the excellent work! 1761 Adam Hunt Suit. facebook.com/photo/?fbid=108004848082156&set=pcb.2868318750123064 A Cloth Coloured Worsted Coat at Historic Deerfield. Part the First. Collar, Cuffs, Pockets, &c. facebook.com/groups/18thcenturymenswear/permalink/3070870689867868 Part the Second. Skits and Pleats facebook.com/groups/18thcenturymenswear/permalink/3075865852701685

@@conradmeaders8449 lol the research is never done! This wounds amazing thank you! I'll take a look 😍

lol - why thank you!

Thanks for the interested message! It's always nice when you can tell someone has got it - the wonderful complexities of all of this! :) In the research and images, I'm convinced that the solidity of the stays and the front point are consistently important in dressing - and very much used to retains the shape, like you say, over the petticoat and supporting the stomacher. It seems too much of a coincidence that this front point shapes echo in the fronts of the gowns for them not to be connected. Have a lovely day and thanks again for your reply.

Thanks for watching! :)

They are a bit strange lol - especially when doing your first one - hope it goes well! Perhaps pop a pic up when you're done! :) xxx

Lol - trust me - mine are a-plenty :) And happily, somehow all of my mistakes happen on the garments I'm making for me! :)

It's definitely a mind bender lol! I have truly ignored it for years but it wasn't too bad to wear when I tried method 2 personally :). But method 1 was certainly how I dressed when we did the markets :). Thanks for your msg xxx

@@HandBoundCostumes Oh yeah, when women were dressing in method 2 were they also wearing their outer skirt under their stays also?

It does seem like it - some of those Dressing/Toilette images had ladies in what clearly looks like their top petticoat BEFORE their stays were on. It's all very interesting.... and probably needs more research and more testing out lol.

Aww bless you - lol it took ages to make but was such a fun video idea that we had that we had to give it a go :)

@@HandBoundCostumeswell we really do appreciate the time and effort that has gone in becase its truly worth it in the end! i was wondering do you have any reccomendations of stays patterns you can get in the uk that you think are the best for a beginner to follow to try and practice making stays? xx

I'm not sure what you mean - I've never seen a pair of stays in the physical like that but I have seen hints towards them in imagery and there are examples of them in other museums. Lol we're trying to work through the stays we have seen at the mo - trying to understand how they work and why :). Thanks for your msg. xxx

@@HandBoundCostumes Reference: ua-cam.com/video/nUmO7rBMdoU/v-deo.html

Yeah I've seen these - they are LOVELY videos! And I wasn't saying the stays you mentioned didn't exist but more, lol, what made you think to mention them? Was trying to figure out what you were trying to say :). many thanks xxx

@@HandBoundCostumes Thank you for your lovely video. It is very informative. My own research into 18th century stays has taken me more into the more common styles of stays than were worn by women depicted in paintings, or are in museums. Perhaps there are fewer extant examples of working women's stays? I sincerely doubt an 18th centuiry working woman's stays would end up in a museum. After all, they were considered to be underwear, and there are certainly very few extant examples of 18th century working women's shifts in museums. Certainly practicality was more important than high fashion for the 18th century working woman. There were just so many more working women than women of high fashion back then? So straps, stomachers, lacing front and back, all made those stays more flexible in terms of a figure that changed with bearing children nad afterwards. Not all women were Princesses. Is that what I was trying to say? (^_^)

@@HandBoundCostumes Here is another one, very good, from LBCC Historical, that shows 18thC stays, front and back lacing, with stomacher AND a wooden busk! ua-cam.com/video/wBiCewwpEHw/v-deo.html

Very interesting comment!!!! And you're absolutely right about looking at the reasons behind the images - but with so few all round it felt good just to gather them altogether and lay them out. The caricatures are for sure to make fashion look silly but feel it's more in the effort gone into tightening them that is the exaggerated part. There's a lovely story about Henry Walpole dressing as an old woman for a masquerade and getting stuck in his stays and under petticoat that we had to edit out of the video, so there is some written support too for the layers. But it's just a 'keep adding' aspect I guess - the more everyone reads and discovers, the better picture we build :). And you're absolutely right about the working vs the fashionable - I have wanted to find ways to look into this for sooo long but other research projects have kinda gotten in the way. xxx

Agree wholeheartedly - the context matters a lot! If an image is for example, an allegorical satire on a political situation, then it would be prudent to not take on faith the artist's accuracy in depicting clothing details, since it may not have been his/her goal or area of expertise (I am referring to "The Tight Lacing..." print here featuring Britannia - the country). My compliments to the creator for saying that a lot more research is needed and for understanding and conveying to the viewers that the context of each image would have to be studied in detail before it can be presented as hard evidence.

yes! Looks very likely doesn't it! - for the Grueze one. Possibly La Danse by Watteau is just her apron tried under the Robings and stomacher of the gown itself rather than the stays but who knows :). Thanks SO much for messaging - it's lovely getting feedback. xxx

Thank you!!! I kept searching and searching lol. Hmmm....it coukd be a jacket but l think its still a pair of stays beneath ....hmmm... This is the problem with images that it can be questionable. 😊.

HandBound Costumes Oh, yes there is definitely a pair of stays underneath! I completely forgot to thank you for the great video in my previous comment! I hope the comment did not seam rude, that was not my intention. I was just excited! 😊

@@erdbeermilch2083 Lol, it didn't come across rude at all! :) Besides, I love the discussion element to all of this as an image is only an image and can be looked at in sooo many different ways. And thanks for commenting - it really is encouraging when you get a little email saying someone has commented :). xx

Tbh we're still at early playing days and think there's a lot more research needed! Xxx

Thats exactly what we're trying to figure out! 😀. The more research done, the more garments studied, the more we can begin to understand lol all of this gubbins 😊. Thank u SO much for ur msg. Xxx

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@@HandBoundCostumes Vielen,vielen Dank 💕💕💕🌸

You are so welcome!

Lol - no stop motion magic - this is just photos of each stage. A friend helped me put it together - I'd like to do more but it was incredibly time consuming and I'm not sure my friend has the time anymore to help me edit! :)

Lol - unless I misunderstand the technical term of stop-motion lol!!! Lol I don't really know what it is :)

@@HandBoundCostumes LOL! I have no idea but several other people commenting called it "stop motion" so I thought, whoa, what is this??

Yay thanks :)

Aww what an awesome comment :) Good luck with your gown!!!

Thanks :).

Thanks you Alicia - it wasa an exciting moment lol for us when we realised it's benefit :)

Thanks me dear :)

lol - :)

I've only just seen this message - lol! me and youtube honestly! - Thank you so much for your kind comments - these vids are useful for me lol but wasn't really sure if anyone else was liking them so you've spurred me on!

Well I guess you have a fan now ;)

@@gelindas5196 Lol :)

Please do not worry - we're always a bit 'hmmm..' when we use the original term 'Nightgown' as it is so confusing. You're right, it's not something to wear for bed, or ironically even to wear in the evening (generally). The historians think it comes from when the dress was worn as a relaxing gown just for being worn at home and that's where the name comes from. But it's basically what the french nicknamed a 'Robe a l'Anglais' as it's very typical for english fashion - particularly day wear - and features sewn down back pleats that go into a skirt. Many thanks for watching and messaging :) x

@@HandBoundCostumes Thanks for that clarification.