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Pasolini on consumeristic civilization (eng sub)
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here we are in front of the structure, the shape, the profile of another city, immersed in a strange, grey, lagoon light, altough surrounded by a beatiful mediterranean maquis, it's sabaudia. How we made fun, we intellectuals, of the regime architecture, of cities like sabaudia, and yet looking at this city now we feel something completely unexpected: it's architecture has nothing unreal, ridic...
I'm surprised in the translation of one word, even though I don't speak italian. He said acculturation, not indoctrination as it is several times used in the subtitles as a translation for the former. I think that acculturation is a word that is much more interesting than a simple indoctrination. Thank you though for the sharing of this archive.
The fact l am watching this on my mobile is confirmation of his opinion from the past, sadly.
legend
The nightmare has gotten much worse in the almost 50 years since your death, Mr. Pasolini.
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Thank you for these words. I used To be bit shamed To admire building of that era.
On est mal barré dans le monde 2023 , ils souhaitent tous consommer et acheter des choses inutiles.. L'humain n'est pas près de trouver sa liberté....
it's 2023 - it's been a lot more than 5-6-7 years, my old friend. Thank you for your words of clarity. They shine painfully true in our modern homogenous society. We have tortured our bodies and souls so much that many of us have truly detached and forgotten who we are.
The translation was poor and confusing. I think Sabaudia is very sterile and consumeristic, very plain and without culture or warmth. It looks like it was built in the cheapest most efficient way possible to cut costs. There is no style to it. I think that is the mindset that spurred the same in the post war consumeristic culture. Getting the most for your money is the highest goal. To erascinate this mindset, you have to pull out the fascist ideals. Humility surely isn’t one of them but excessive nationalistic pride. I appreciate his thoughts on the matter. It does make you identify the problem and wonder how to stop it.
Similar buildings were built in many countries in Europe after the war, especially in the 1960s and 70s. They are horrible.
Gato Barbieri on saxophone???
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Gato was actually living in Rome with his Italian wife, Michelle, during the 60s. Very close friend of Bertolucci as well. He collaborated with PPP for the haunting score of the 1969 documentary "Appunti per un'Orestiade africana", which was dedicated to the project he had at the time to direct a feature film in Central Africa after Aeschylus's Oresty, in order to complete a whole Greek trilogy along with "Oedipus Rex" and "Medea". The present video was filmed in 1974 by the TV director Paolo Brunatto, right behind the villa on the Sabaudia beach he was sharing with Moravia, where he'd just been co-writing the script for his "Arabian Nights" with Moravia's partner, Dacia Maraini.
"Interesting" is just a nice way of saying I don't believe you.
There is no culture anymore. Your culture is what you consume.
This video is goog++
*drags on pipe*
My favorite “indeed” moment of all time.
daily wire backstage lol
Stewie: Asia's market has nowhere to go but up. Man: Interesting. Stewie: Indeed
WHERE CAN I GET A BUBBLE PIPE NOW
dollar stores
Thank you for providing English subtitle, this is such a relevant video.
we don''t need the English translation
He is such a visionary with words of prophecy that speak to the current age. We are in a state of world fascism ushered in by so-called democracy, capitalistically fueled. What a sad state of affairs the world is in.
your life makes supreme sence to me to, for you where one off the last and few people that have LIVED. Most people are dead before they die, you werent, is sow much merciless and brutally crude ways. One that lives becomes a Hero. You, Van Gogh, Artaud, Thomas Bernhard, Yukio Michima, and others off course, less knowned: off course. Towards those that are dead even before they have died, i say no, no to you and to your ilk.
And in Financial News...
It's exactly 40 year today since Pasolini has been gone, hope you can forgive us all: you were right all along.
May The Poet never forgive us. 🙏
I love Pasolini's work and figure, but politically he was wrong, he was a communist
100% correct
When Pasolini complained in the 70's that consumerism (coupled with mass marketing) flattens culture and lacks the incentives to create refined and nuanced art, he was right. But by the 90's, this sentiment had become the worn-out lament of the aged, and we who were teenagers, even intellectual ones like myself, knew by instinct that mulling over the past had become a dead end. It was not that we rejected the value of cultural history, or had no patience for, or curiosity about, great artistic achievements of the past; we knew from our daily lives that there was no stopping the capitalist juggernaut. The great disappointment we all felt when were harangued about our ignorant barbarism was that our accusers assumed that there was only one way to produce a great culture: It had to be shared by everyone. They have a point- there is great value in shared understanding and mutually comprehensible worldviews, and far too few young people today are even offered the opportunity to appreciate the great achievements of the past. The most important question is: What do we do now? Do we believe that we can resurrect widespread respect and admiration for refined aesthetics? I don't. The only possible way forward, in my opinion, is to create "niche" cultures within capitalist societies. This has already begun, and back in the 90's it was in full swing- one of my friends took a year off school to do almost nothing but collect rare records- 12 tone orchestral music, hipster electronica and everything in between. You had to work hard to discover the consumer products that you could use to define yourself as different and special. Great admiration was doled out to those who could find a "cool" thing that their niche members could appreciate. Today I'm worried that we are getting off track- almost that we are going in reverse, to a place where everything is shared, but almost nothing means much. Now that you can find anything on the internet, that consumerist appropriation behavior has been "zombified." I don't generally "share" much on the internet, because I found that I didn't want to receive a lot of what was shared with me- even by my friends. It's sort of like the vaguely sick feeling I get after every pot-luck. I don't want a F______G FEED to check every time I have a spare moment. My brain needs its naps.... or I get CRANKY. I used to think that the idea of "brand-name tribalism" was a laughably dystopian view of the future. Now I think if may be our only option, unless we are willing to be drowned by the deluge of infinite lowest-common-denominator consumer culture. Any other solution would require some variant of fascism or repressive socialism. Pasolini was right, in that regard; democracy is not the ideal system if the objective is for the elites to "educate" the masses. If someone has come up with a realistic idea to overcome consumerism, that doesn't merely reanimate the rightfully dead social theories of the past, I would really like to hear it. Until then, the best we will be able to do is form "culture cliques," and develop some system of mutual tolerance- since mutual respect is too much to hope for. AND YOU THOUGHT THE THEATRE OF THE ABSURD WAS DEAD? No. I'm keeping it alive by posting ridiculously long comments that next to no one will ever read !!!
+Sancho Quixote We are out here, trust that...And reading you as well.....much respect.....
+Sancho Quixote Don't worry; people read this. The right UA-cam comment on the right video at the right time, if written with heart, can change a life. We're all voices in a void, but that doesn't make our words empty. Never forget that.
+Sancho Quixote I knew you would think that no one was going to read your long post. I read old books and listen to old music because they convey the emotions which created those pieces of art. The love/hate/sorrow/bliss felt back then is passed on in so many ways. And evoking former traditions described in old stories reminds you of how things were before everybody started getting absorbed by irresponsibly used technology. I got away from social networks because I needed to be bored. But bored with nothing to do, not bored staring at a screen. When you get there is when you try to learn new stuff, or create new things, or think about things that you would not usually give a deep analysis if distracted. Social Networks are the perfect showcase for your newest consumist acquisitions. TV series are also great time leeches. They thicken the confort zone walls so you will not want to change your life style. It happens to me all the time that instead of exchanging opinions with random people about important events happening worldwide, the conversation is monopolyzed by paraphrasing of sitcoms. Shop the necessary, avoid the coarse, remember your true nature and be tolerant.
Bruno i Well put sir. I've forgotten who said it, but I'll paraphrase: All of man's problems are caused by our inability to sit quietly alone. So much stimulation ! So little thought....
+Sancho Quixote You are very true, sir. However I must say, do not despair! The solution and only possible direction is to seek the truth, and that's the only factor us intellectuals shall be preoccupied about. Your comment served your intent better than any strategic plans would. To think of how to better society is too much of a stress to people like you and me. Rather, we should furnish accounts to posterity, do what we believe is right and admire the majesty of our fellow illuminated brothers and sisters for it is the tremendous beauty of man, and it is still alive and breathing in the corners of our world. If we are worth something on this planet, a long time from now history will lead to understanding our present mistakes, this second great cultural degradation; for now, my friend, just roll with it.
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Such an artist and he loved the Italian peasantry. I am sure right wing fascists murdered him.
Nope, I think it was a normal guy who became distort from Salo.
Supposedly he had some dirt on high up corruption in the Italian government. I am sure it was really bad.
great upload! appreciate the english subtitles as well, bravo.
Do they still make bubble pipes? If so where do you find them?
take a regular pipe and ad a bit of soap and water
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SpongeBob has some
@@SirPetterTheFirst thx hop my parents done find it
WHERE CAN I GET ONE?! NOOWWW
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Teal'c agrees with these comments
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indeed haha :D
cant believe the top comments are 'indeed'
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indeed.
Yes, quite.
Pasolini was a great one... but this translation is awful... and some historical/political incorrect statements as well.
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I need one of those!!!!
Bruhhhhhhhhhh sameeeeewweeee
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@DonWon313 then why are you watching a clip from it DUMBFUCK?
Yes.An excellent post and good translation.As PathosDistanz points out, minor changes are needed ,but the essential references are there to follow. PPP cites de Chirico because he used Italian 'pittura metafisica' to stylize early films like Accattone,where consumerism has not yet invaded the archaic 'periferia' of Rome. Unlike Ostia,Sabaudia was a wilder,more rural beach where he shared a house with Moravia and other intellectuals.Here they had to confront their own contradictions.
...Indeed...
Stewie:Asia's market has nowhere to go but up Man : ...Intresting... Stewie: ...Indeed...
INDEED!
This show is not funny....
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It's not "the chirico" it's "de Chirico". Pasolini is referring to the painter Giorgio de Chirico. And Sabaudia should be capitalized.
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