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Supercomputing 2024: El Capitan, MI300A, and More on the Fastest Supercomputers!
Here at SC24, the 64th TOP500 list just went live and I talk about El Capitan along with the chip that powers it, the MI300A. There is also the Green500, HPL-MxP, and HPCG lists as well at Supercomputing 24.
Hope y'all enjoy!
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Stability, The Cost Of Intel's Time To Market Approach
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Intel's been known as the company whose products "just work". But with this latest series of launches, it seems like Intel has been prioritizing the time to market for their newest lineup of chips which has seemingly come at the cost of stability. Substack: chipsandcheese.com/ Wordpress: old.chipsandcheese.com/ Twitter: x.com/ChipsandCheese9 Mastodon: techhub.social/@UCvfxOUaD_gOrFTxGGI_NGiA Pa...
AMD Turin: 5th Gen EPYC Deep Dive
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AMD launched their brand new Turin series of server CPUs using the Zen 5 architecture. These CPUs can hit up to 5GHz on the high frequency F SKUs along with unification of the "Classic" and "Dense" stacks into one single SKU stack with Turin. Substack: chipsandcheese.com/ Wordpress: old.chipsandcheese.com/ Twitter: x.com/ChipsandCheese9 Mastodon: techhub.social/@UCvfxOUaD_gOrFTxGGI_NGiA Patreon...
Chips and Cheese Interviews Ronak Singhal | Interview #4
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Intel's new Granite Rapids Server CPUs have launched and we got to sit down with Ronak Singhal to talk about the decisions that led up to Granite Rapids and why certain decisions were made. Website: chipsandcheese.com/ Written Transcript: chipsandcheese.com/2024/09/30/chips-and-cheese-interviews-ronak-singhal/ Patreon: www.patreon.com/ChipsandCheese PayPal: www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_i...
Intel Xeon 6 Granite Rapids-AP Launch: An Off-The-Cuff Video
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This was my first thoughts on Intel's Granite Rapids CPUs. This was a fairly rambly video which was not scripted in the slightest but I thought that y'all may enjoy this type of content. If you want to see me say Granite Ridge instead of Granite Rapids at least half a doze times, stick to the end for the Blooper Reel. Website: chipsandcheese.com/ Twitter: x.com/ChipsandCheese9 Mastodon: techhub...
An Interview with Susan Eickhoff and Christian Jacobi from IBM at Hot Chips 2024 | Interview #3
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IBM launched their brand new Telum II chip as well as their new Spyre AI card at Hot Chips 2024 and we got to talk Susan Eickhoff and Christian Jacobi about how those new chips came to be as well as the architecture of those chips. Note: This was the first video recorded with the new equipment so there were some audio issues, which at this point is becoming a running theme at this point. So a m...
An Interview with Intel's Arik Gihon about Lunar Lake at Hot Chips 2024 | Interview #2
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Intel's new low power Lunar Lake CPUs are due out soon and we had the chance to sit down with Arik Gihon who led Lunar Lake's SOC team at the one and only Hot Chips! P.S. A big thanks to all of our donators without whom, this interview would not be possible! Website: chipsandcheese.com/ Written Transcript: chipsandcheese.com/2024/09/02/an-interview-with-intels-arik-gihon-about-lunar-lake-at-hot...
Chips and Cheese Interviews Mike Clark | Interview #1
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AMD is launching Ryzen 9000 CPUs and Ryzen AI 300 series APUs with their brand new Zen 5 architecture later this month, and as a part of AMD's Tech Day I had the chance to sit down with the Father of Zen, Mike Clark, to talk about what has changed with Zen 5 and to proved input behind their designs when designing Zen 5. Correction: Mike Clark reached out after the interview to correct this, Zen...

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  • @chrisrothstein6157
    @chrisrothstein6157 20 годин тому

    This was great. Very concise and informative

  • @Veptis
    @Veptis 6 днів тому

    Would we want a Cloud500? Where Azure competes with Alibaba and AWS (or any other non A providers) on who can allocate the largest instance to run linpack?

  • @smileinurhand
    @smileinurhand 25 днів тому

    Intel & AMD need more improvement. Intel Price is also too much for this spec 👎 Mac M4 is rocking the field with Les Cost. Can buy a Mac mini M4 at a VGA cost.

  • @SaschaRobitzki
    @SaschaRobitzki 27 днів тому

    When will your review of the 285K be ready?

    • @rattlehead999
      @rattlehead999 22 дні тому

      to be fair the 245k and 265k are the highlight of Arrow Lake and much more interesting. The 285k is overpriced and consumes too much power.

  • @MrNagant007
    @MrNagant007 28 днів тому

    A lot of it is likely software issues. I have a 10th gen Intel and have a weird issue where sometimes I don't get a video post from my dedicated GPU. I have to plug into the integrated chip (which is disabled) and toggle it on and off again. I chalk it up to an issue with Dell.

  • @jannegrey
    @jannegrey 29 днів тому

    Stability was one of the few "wins" Intel still had over AMD. Even though AMD was managing to shorten the time between launch and full stability with each generation.

  • @catsspat
    @catsspat 29 днів тому

    Ooh, this is like the moment when a mother calls her kid by his full legal name.... Intel just has to be #1. They saw how AMD messed up the Zen5 launch, and had to mess up harder, to be #1 at messed up launches.

  • @ItsAkile
    @ItsAkile 29 днів тому

    I’m waiting for that heat

  • @spuchoa
    @spuchoa 29 днів тому

    Hope Intel can fix things by the end of this year and if not, it will be very bad for Intel and for us customers.

  • @Drumaier
    @Drumaier 29 днів тому

    Gelsinger destroyed Intel 😢

  • @klyplays
    @klyplays 29 днів тому

    I don't get how tf Arrowlake pushed off its Mem controller into another tile when they just moved it on same tile in LNL.

    • @rattlehead999
      @rattlehead999 22 дні тому

      LNL is tiny so it's not as expensive to produce. Arrow Lake is huge so it's much cheaper to have the memory controller on another die.

  • @Veptis
    @Veptis Місяць тому

    I mean, ARL is out of stock anyway. Also LNL has been pushed early and works?

    • @rattlehead999
      @rattlehead999 22 дні тому

      it was actually less than 1 year between Meteor Lake and Lunar Lake. Intel's main problem with Arrow Lake comes down to the power draw most likely as it did with 13th/14th gen and the motherboards.

  • @Lemurion287
    @Lemurion287 Місяць тому

    Looks like Zen5 dodged a bullet. While definitely an underwhelming launch with definite issues, it seems to be a perfectly functional product. It's not really much if any better than Zen4 for gaming, though it does seem better in some workloads especially under Linux. The thing is that it doesn't have to be a huge step forward if it's competing with something that's not even as good as it's predecessor and isn't reliable either.

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 29 днів тому

      You’re assuming Nova Lake & Panther Lake will be better than Arrow Lake. Please lower your expectations if you don’t want more disappointment.

    • @Lemurion287
      @Lemurion287 29 днів тому

      @@tringuyen7519 nope. I'm making no assumptions about future products. I'm simply saying that AMD had an underwhelming launch with Zen5, which provided an opening for Arrow Lake. Arrow Lake wasn't good enough to take advantage of that opening, so Zen5 got lucky.

    • @JoeL-xk6bo
      @JoeL-xk6bo 29 днів тому

      Zen 5 did what it was mreant to do, massive uplift on the datacenter to make AMD more billions. Arrow LAke's target maximum was still behind the 7800X3D FYI.

    • @rattlehead999
      @rattlehead999 22 дні тому

      @@JoeL-xk6bo for gaming maybe, but all CPUS Zen2 and above are more than good enough for gaming. Arrow Lake is a good first redesign, the price is wrong and these stability issues are a problem.

  • @lost4356
    @lost4356 Місяць тому

    Many People still dont understand currently trying to compete with likes of TSMC and get more patnership to buy their nodes they building new fab designing new nodes so their target is not only for 1-2year but long term and i hope they succed because currently TSMC is market leader used by AMD,Nvidia,Apple etc, also if intel just went AMD route and outsourcing semiconductor from beginning they will do just fine, but because they stuck in 14nm for so long it kinda bite them because their funding issues they fumbling down along the way. They clearly sacrifice their end customer with the arrow lake release by rush then also planning with only just one gen for the 1851 because they just to appease investor and clearly they didnt want relies too much in TSMC itself.

  • @SaschaRobitzki
    @SaschaRobitzki Місяць тому

    I hope at least this approach drives the prices down, especially of the motherboards. Prices of Z890 Thunderbolt 5 boards dropped considerably after launch in my country. They con iron out the quirks after I got my system; please not earlier.

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 29 днів тому

      & 7800X3D jumped in price!😂

    • @SaschaRobitzki
      @SaschaRobitzki 29 днів тому

      @@tringuyen7519 That's fine; I don't game. And I need more than 8 cores. 😆

    • @rattlehead999
      @rattlehead999 22 дні тому

      @@tringuyen7519 To be fair, the 7800x3d gives you 10-20% better gaming performance with a 4090 at 1080p over a 7700 non-X, while the 5700x3d gets the same gaming performance as the 7700 non-X while being on a RAM(DDR4) and Motherboard(AM4) that are twice as cheap as AM5 and DDR5 and the CPU itself is much cheaper too. Zen4 non-X(65W TDP/88W PPT) CPUs are 15-25% faster than Zen3 65W TDP/PPT CPUs, while costing significantly more, so they aren't worth it considering that Zen5 is barely an upgrade.

  • @SiliconSteak
    @SiliconSteak Місяць тому

    Appreciate the thoughts. Looking forward to Chips and Cheese deep dive into Arrow Lake when you guys get your hands on it

  • @rurutuM
    @rurutuM Місяць тому

    i want to know who is getting fired for these not ready to launch rush to market products???

    • @jiso5232
      @jiso5232 Місяць тому

      Nobody. It's Gelsinger's strategy. Rather to launch an unfinished underperforming product in time than to delay the launch. MLID mentioned this change already in February 2023: ua-cam.com/video/BNXlRdAKWTE/v-deo.html

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 29 днів тому

      @@jiso5232Agreed. Intel will layoff another 5000 employees. But Pat will stay of course…

  • @CyberSkynet-o2b
    @CyberSkynet-o2b Місяць тому

    Bro is that Noodler's Ink on your hand?

    • @chipsandcheesecc
      @chipsandcheesecc Місяць тому

      It's Pilot Iroshizuku Shin-kai ink, I prefer writing down my notes and scripts on paper with a fountain pen.....

  • @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
    @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- Місяць тому

    This video shall go down in history as the great 'Intel's Smurf Hand's Truth Bomb.'

  • @LouisWaweru
    @LouisWaweru Місяць тому

    I don't understand the conclusion that this is Intel's fault. I imagine the fixes will arrive as BIOS updates, placing the blame there.

    • @spankeyfish
      @spankeyfish 29 днів тому

      Intel writes the microcode for their CPUs, it's just that a BIOS update is the only way to deliver updates to the microcode.

    • @LouisWaweru
      @LouisWaweru 29 днів тому

      That's quite the leap to think microcode is the problem. CPUs don't control the boot process. Anything i possible, I just don't see the evidence for all the fingerpointing yet. I mean I think it's Intel's fault for not testing all of these configurations first, but the impression that the chips are defective seems really hasty and unjustified.

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 29 днів тому

      @@LouisWaweruWhen Wendell @ Level1tech had problems with ARL in both Windows & Linux, it’s a hardware bug! For Intel to mess up even in Linux is a true achievement!

    • @LouisWaweru
      @LouisWaweru 29 днів тому

      ​@@tringuyen7519 Hang on a minute, I can't come up with excuses that quickly.

  • @hjdorn
    @hjdorn Місяць тому

    Chips and Cheese not recieving a review sample is all you need to know about the current state of affairs.

    • @JBrinx18
      @JBrinx18 Місяць тому

      I mean, he only has about 1500 subscribers. Reviewers regularly don't get sampled by chip companies with many times more subscribers

    • @qlum
      @qlum 27 днів тому

      @@JBrinx18 It's not about that the site has a reputation, not everything is about viewer / reader count.

  • @haze6277
    @haze6277 Місяць тому

    It's really tough to give any guarantees on completely new design. When you incrementing you can include new features in a design as you verify them, otherwise you need to reserve more time just to get sure. Intel doesn't have that time.

    • @wewillrockyou1986
      @wewillrockyou1986 Місяць тому

      You're overstating to a massive degree how much Arrow Lake is "completely new" relative to other older generations.

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 Місяць тому

      @@wewillrockyou1986 You're blindly ignorant to the complete overhaul of Arrow Lake. It's a migration to a tile architecture from a monolithic one. It's probably the largest architecture change since.......... Conroe? Nehalem?

    • @alzx
      @alzx Місяць тому

      Aside from the instability due to unready software and given the departure from monolithic, ARL is legit impressive, showing marked weakness only in gaming, just like Zen 1 did. Any other interpretation of ARL is recency bias. People forget how good RPL is, AMD could never make a monolithic chip like that. Yet Intel just made a tile-based chip that's like 95% as good as AMD's best, and they did it on more or less their first try (ARL is basically MTL).

  • @adonisds
    @adonisds Місяць тому

    They're launching a N3B product haf a year after Apple had already moved to N3E and somehow it's still hushed

    • @slimjimjimslim5923
      @slimjimjimslim5923 Місяць тому

      Lunarlake on N3 has really good reviews, Arrowlake on N3 seem really underwhelming. Seems like a design choice issue, arrowlake design doesn't seem to be optimized for performance and maybe it followed too closely what Lunarlake is doing. Also according to Anandtech: N3E is the cheaper/relaxed version of N3B at the cost of density, so it wouldn't make sense for Arrowlake to be on N3E, the performance would be even worse. Apple used N3E to lower cost since they know people will buy regardless of performance.

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 29 днів тому

      @@slimjimjimslim5923ARL’s CPU tile was originally designed for Intel 20A node. But Intel cancelled Intel 20A & switched to TSMC 3nm instead. Looks like it was rushed move!

    • @slimjimjimslim5923
      @slimjimjimslim5923 24 дні тому

      @@tringuyen7519 probably yield issue. Intel was like “well fuck looks like we can’t make enough defect free chips to break even”

  • @Vinny-w1c
    @Vinny-w1c Місяць тому

    Arrow Lake is an embarrassment

  • @extrememojo8387
    @extrememojo8387 Місяць тому

    One question is whether this is a result of personnel policies at Intel. Be it on the technical or managerial side. Not claiming that this is the case, but this has been a severe issue in other industries. If that is the case with Intel the gap will widen.

  • @dc_coder_84
    @dc_coder_84 Місяць тому

    Once I bought an Intel Arc A380 graphics card for my old computer which has 1st gen Intel Core i7. I got a freeze during Bios and the support explained to me my system is not supported because it is too old. I never got it working. I then bougth an AMD Radeon RX 6600. I guess this card also has no official support for my old PC but it simply works out of the box. Thank you AMD! :)

    • @slimjimjimslim5923
      @slimjimjimslim5923 Місяць тому

      now that Intel is failing, AMD will be proudly presenting 5% performance growth every generation from now on. XD Oh boy, the market is gonna suck if AMD is the CPU monopoly...it already sucks that Nvidia is dominating gpu.....

    • @battokizu
      @battokizu Місяць тому

      ​@@slimjimjimslim5923maybe consider that intel only got the performance improvements they did from running their chips well past stable? The power draw on their chips is insane and should be a key indicator.

    • @battokizu
      @battokizu Місяць тому

      Oh wait, I forgot intel had 5% yoy from 2nd gen i series till 11th gen Glad history is repeating itself, except I don't need to buy a new motherboard every tim a chip comes out.

    • @slimjimjimslim5923
      @slimjimjimslim5923 Місяць тому

      @@battokizu I'm not defending Intel. But having competition will help consumers. The way I see it, if Intel really do collapse, AMD will just fill that hole with sub-par cpu for the next decade until a new AMD emerges. Either way, I got stock in all three companies, Thinking about cashing out my nvidia and amd stocks soon and take a nice vacation in italy for the summer.

  • @tomstech4390
    @tomstech4390 Місяць тому

    AM4, AM5 lga1151, lga1151v2, lga1200, lga1700, lga1851, lga..... If Zen6 launches on AM6 I don't think we could rightfully complain at this point. Also I hope the rushed Day1 launch reviews calms down a little bit, when a AGESA or microcode update a week later drastically changes a systems performance after the fact. Gamers nexus, LTTlabs (arguably) have shown that once people get their foot in the door of the computer world and learn a few things.... you want more than someone reading the press report. Anandtech had this gap but required people to read which is a minority, C&C (and I can't remember?) is filling in this void hence the growing following.

  • @TheParadoxy
    @TheParadoxy Місяць тому

    😢

  • @nicolaspaglione
    @nicolaspaglione Місяць тому

    This video felt like a personal private class with a few other ppl ❤

  • @lwwells
    @lwwells Місяць тому

    5Ghz, 64 cores…. @$12,000.00. 😅

    • @CaptainMcShotgun41
      @CaptainMcShotgun41 Місяць тому

      ..it's enterprise hardware

    • @lwwells
      @lwwells Місяць тому

      @@CaptainMcShotgun41 yea. It still blows my mind though.

    • @kevinerbs2778
      @kevinerbs2778 Місяць тому

      Thats the cheap one check turnin 192 core.

  • @JordansTechJunk
    @JordansTechJunk Місяць тому

    Man, the joy we had when we randomly were breaking records😂 good video, keep up the great work bud!

  • @chipsandcheesecc
    @chipsandcheesecc Місяць тому

    Hello you fine Internet Folks, I would like to say that our new loaded latency test was created by Chester AKA Clam due to a graph that Ampere Computing showed on their Hot Chips 2024 slide deck. I meant to make mention of this in the video however it slipped my mind due to running off-script at that point. Sincerely, George

  • @WillFuI
    @WillFuI Місяць тому

    I love these videos. Thanks for making them

  • @AccC-c6d
    @AccC-c6d Місяць тому

    This was a real good review and you went in depth that will allow datacenter customers make informed decision to design a very dense high performance architecture! This is amazing!

  • @RobBCactive
    @RobBCactive Місяць тому

    Mike Clark is class! Love his interview with Dr Cutress aka Potato back when Zen3 was launched (now part of Poutrine)

  • @RobBCactive
    @RobBCactive Місяць тому

    I didn't watch it because of the AI branding, if they had mentioned Turin, EPYC, or data centre I would have watched it live

  • @wewillrockyou1986
    @wewillrockyou1986 Місяць тому

    I'd love to see the ratio of core to soc power of the 9175F under load...

  • @dedelefoudu88
    @dedelefoudu88 Місяць тому

    happy making video now

  • @catsspat
    @catsspat Місяць тому

    You know what I'd love to have? An AM5 CPU with a single Zen5c (16C) CCD connected to the standard AM5 IOD using TWO GMI links!

    • @kevinerbs2778
      @kevinerbs2778 Місяць тому

      & a faster new i/o die on a newer node

  • @Askejm
    @Askejm Місяць тому

    great video!!

  • @TheParadoxy
    @TheParadoxy Місяць тому

    Will we get load latency benchmarks for prior generations for comparison?

  • @TheParadoxy
    @TheParadoxy Місяць тому

    I love the intro music and "fine internet people" greeting. Really good vibes 😎

  • @joraforever9899
    @joraforever9899 Місяць тому

    Hey Cheese, I think that showing graphs on the screen would be much better for understanding the numbers. As i was listening to this video, i was looking at the article you published on the website, and the graphs made it really much more intuitive. Maybe you can use graphs in a video to explain them in more detail compared to an article, just a thought of mine.

    • @chipsandcheesecc
      @chipsandcheesecc Місяць тому

      Yeah, at the point I had realize that would be a good idea the video had been edited and I was on the way to the airport to fly back from San Francisco. Next time we have data from before a launch like we did with Turin, I'll include the graphs! This is still a new format for us so expect improvement as we continue with this format 🙂.

  • @Zok2005
    @Zok2005 Місяць тому

    Well done! Really appreciate the depth that Chips and Cheese goes into on the technical details, without all the fluff from other channels out there.

  • @eladdvash3052
    @eladdvash3052 Місяць тому

    Great seeing you on UA-cam! And I can see that you're getting more comfortable in front of the camera 😁 I love these semi-reviews (and would love video companion pieces to the main full site articles - like sth or tt🥔) but the numbers sections are a bit confusing without graphs/tables (especially when out of context against other products)

  • @theevilmuppet
    @theevilmuppet Місяць тому

    First and foremost, please keep going! Your dedication to correctness, focus on detail, depth, and exploration of specifics is awesome!!!

  • @tomstech4390
    @tomstech4390 Місяць тому

    The 5Ghz thing doesn't impress me given the slowest clocks on mainstream desktop (x3D chips) is usually around 5Ghz, I would be more impressed by 4-4.5Ghz all core turbo's. Also having 16 cores on a single ring bus... how are they doing that without massive latency increases on the ring bus? or is this that twisted ring (Figure 8) sorta thing Ian was talking about? I'm still stoked about these parts I just have lots of questions :D

    • @noobgamer4709
      @noobgamer4709 Місяць тому

      5Ghz on server with higher core count will be power and thermal limited. It does benefits to customer that need speed over core count. these kind of server are usually used in trading and such which is still a market that intel have a huge market share of. zen5 would probably makes its easier for them to break into that market since its way-way more efficient than zen4.

    • @tomstech4390
      @tomstech4390 Місяць тому

      ​@@noobgamer4709 Power and thermals have little to do with it when talking about only a single CCD, the 9575F all core turbo is ~4.3Ghz according to George if that's what you was thinking. -100% load on 1 Core: 9950x 5.7Ghz___ 9700x 5.5Ghz____ 9575F 5.0Ghz. -100% load on 1 CCD: 9950x 5.45Ghz__ 9700x 5.3Ghz____ 9575F 5.0Ghz. Clocks (and therefore voltage) are reduced to increase lifespan but if these start failing in 10 years instead of still working in 15 years they probably left too much on the table IMO.

  • @MrJacker1991
    @MrJacker1991 Місяць тому

    Great job! So happy to have you guys on UA-cam~!

  • @ChrisJackson-js8rd
    @ChrisJackson-js8rd Місяць тому

    i like this format. good work!

  • @mastergogo3
    @mastergogo3 Місяць тому

    I don’t think you’ll be able to top this video ending for a while. Haha.