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Thanks so much for the review. Did you have any issues getting all 8 days of food into your pack? On trips of a week or so I usually carry more than half the food for my girlfriend and I, but I'd like the smallest volume pack possible. Appreciate your thoughts!

It will be interesting to see how the Flight 3 carries now given the torso adjustments, taller frame, and belt stiffener.

Have you found a SWD (~50L) that you can be carried on a plane like you wrote about with the HMG Porter 4400? I am between sizes and concerned the HMG Porter or Southwest won't work for me but looking for something lighter and more travel friendly than my Osprey.

Perfect! This is the EXACT video that I wanted as I was trying to decide what pack I wanted for packrafting. I suspected I wanted the SWD, but you confirmed it, thanks man!

Thoughts on this vs the Nunatak 3D quilt?

Pretty slick!

Your experience is quite correct. This is also the reason why 3fulgear does not make dcf tents. 1. In addition to being a little lighter, single silicone nylon has many advantages over DCF! ! 1. DCF is too expensive 2. It is easy to wear and tear 3. It is not easy to fit perfectly with other accessories!

My Feathered Friends sleeping bag down, i loveit! ua-cam.com/video/wu6yP63_uo4/v-deo.html

Appreciate the insight here. I've been considering DCF ultralight tents, but have been very hesitant. It's very expensive and without having any personal basis of experience for actual long-term use of DCF, there's simply been no guarantee of performance over the long term. At the price point, it almost feels like purchasing a vehicle without having driven it or something to that effect. You perform as much research as possible, but it's difficult to obtain practical comparison anecdotes like you've provided here. I'm certain I can purchase a vehicle that will run and get me to where I'm going, but do not have the expertise to determine if it's in a state where it will be reliable. Obviously DCF is good stuff and I have nothing against it. Silnylon just seems like a more resilient material that will provide better consistency over time. I am very much in the camp of "pay the higher price for the better gear", but with that comes the expectation that the maintenance I painstakingly perform will be rewarded. Value comes in all shapes and sizes. Cheers guys!

Nice to see you found some quilt bliss. I'm assuming that you went with the regular Flicker UL and not the wide version? Specs show it at 25.2 oz in the 6' version. Did you find the weight to be close to that?

I realize this is an older video but still helpful. It's a relief to see that I'm not the only one who's struggled to find the perfect quilt. I started with WM Megalite, then switched to the Ultralite, then experimented with MYOG down quilt. I still have both the MYOG and Ultralite bags. Then I bought a Nunatak Arc UL 25. While I really liked the quality and workmanship of the Nunuatak, in my experience they tend to be slightly overstated on the temp rating. I really like the narrow baffle design of the Nunatak, as I think you get better control of the down and it really stays put better. But since the Arc UL wasn't warm enough for me, I sold it and ordered a False Bottom Wren from Timmermade. In the 72" 20* version in a 15D outter, mine comes in at 22oz. I like the snug fit but wish it had a little more room in the knees. Out of all the bags I've tried, the Ultralite is about the perfect fit for me. I just wish it was lighter (32.6oz). Now I'd really like to try the Katabatic in the new 58" version or possibly the 54" width, so getting your take on it was helpful. Thanks!

Pad straps like these is yesterday's technology. A quilt with a pad sleeve and zippers makes a draft free sleep system

Wouldn' t buying Osprey or Gregory pack solve all of the problems from the start?

Never realized how much of a difference that little bit of extra give and stretch nylon makes over time. It makes sense seeing it, but didn't expect such a difference. I have both DCF and Nylon shelters, but this makes me think more about sticking with nylon unless I have a specific need for DCF.

Brooks Saddle! :)

This was simply a great, informative and impartial video. Helps alot as I am currently considering a swd long haul 50. Thank you, you have a new subscriber

You previously gave high praise to the Arc UL, but mentioned yours was too large. I also noticed you were later selling a smaller sized Arc UL, unused. Curious as to why this one ultimately came on top over the arc UL for you, as you seemed to really be leaning into that line.

Good video .Thanks. Really useful information. I always want to use DCF but just find it too expensive. And for a couple of years was never able to buy white color. So I've got a lot more experience with silnylon. Great material.

Actual information rather than shiling. Great job.

I think you should see DCF products as disposable in a sense. a way to lighten the load its true value. but like most people I can't get away from thinking high price should include durability. its a conundrum for sure. I'll be sticking with my aqua quest defender tarp knowing its heavier but durable. more expensive but long lasting and bullet proof. I could pay five times the price but cry about it sooner or later, Dcf, was a good idea in theory, but in practice not for me.

What about ab 36gramm DCF for the Floor? What’s your opinion?

Hi! Amazing channel, thank you for your content! Can you recommend please 2 layer trekking pole tent for tall person? Have x-mid 2, but it's ok only on diagonal position(to allow not to touch walls by sleeping bag).

Super helpful comparison!

Noting that we now use a beefier #8 YKK WR zipper and pull vs these older #5. 2023 Now using low stretch SilPoly for the mids. SIlPoly and SIlNylon last about 2X longer than .75 DCF and 3X longer than .5 DCF.

Wow! First time side by side comparison. I appreciate you taking the time to show this, and your opinions 👍 It is pretty much the opposite of what I would have expected.

Ben, did you find that the SDW Big Wild shape (smaller at bottom, larger at the top) upset your balance at all- i,.e., the pack is top heavy? Bad for scrambling?

I'd really like to see what those side pockets look like with water bottles in them and how deep the front pocket goes down. Very good looking pack. I see you're out of stock with no option for which package to purchase nor an option to select the hip belt size.

Have you tried the Exped lightning 60?

Cool idea to have some adjustability without load lifters. I have a question, I really liked your video on the SWD Long Haul UL. I have 2 questions. What are some issues with that pack that you are solving for with this one? What fundamentally is your reasoning for not having load lifters? I'm curious as I haven't liked previous packs like HMG that don't have them. That said, one use I would have is lightweight canoe tripping. Load lifters on a normal pack interfere with the canoe yolk. A pack that can haul load w/o lifters is something I've always wanted for this use case.

The more I learn about DCF the less appealing it sounds. Very useful video, thanks for making it

What is the inside width at the bottom of the pack?

I’m totally new to you and your business but saw the pack on GGG. First thing I always do when looking at new gear is look for a video. With that said, it would be very helpful if you label your videos with specifics. I’m 8 minutes in and all you mentioned so far was palante Joey. Maybe the info was in the last video but when I typed in the name of this pack this specific video was suggested. This is just constructive critique! I wish you all the best

i think this is the best video i have ever watched on pack choices so far. ty for sharing

Torn between the Divide 4800 and the Big Wild 70L. Seek outside is now using ultra light material is their 4800 is essentially the same weight as the 70L. My only problem is the lead time with the Big Wild. I wouldn't get it until end of summer. Is it worth the wait or does is the Divide 4800 a better option if you need something sooner since it uses ultra light material now?

Interesting design… What are the benefits for this “floaty hip belt”? Do you plan to add hip belt pockets and shoulder strap pockets? Also, it’s seems a bigger volume than declared… The hip belt strap system being off center looks similar to Sabra Gear Butterfly

Excellent video. Thank you.

One of the best backpacking videos I’ve seen, with great explainer. Thanks

I want to buy one, but I didn’t see an option to choose the size on your website. Also it may be out of stock? I’ve been in the market for a new pack for a while now, but wanted to choose the right one. I think this is it. Please let me know if I can order one and how to choose the size. Thanks!

This was helpful. Thanks

What do you think about a bottom pocket in Ultra/Dyneema stretch? Very nice backpack with different side pocket solution compared to the most UL backpacks.

Brilliant, thanks.

Thank you for this video, I’m about to order a seek outside divide and your insights on that pack and others was great As others have said, like you, I’m searching for the perfect pack for me

Man this video makes me want to smoke a bowl

I just ordered the Wendigo 70L pack. It was between a Seek Outside divide and the Wendigo. I made the decision, in part, based upon your reviews, but won't blame you if I don't like it!!

Nice video. Would like to see a similar comparison of 2 same tents and usage between Silnylon an Silpoly. Would answer if all the current rage around Silpoly is warranted.

Thanks for your video. Have you tried the Seek Outside Gila? If so, who do you compare the two?

By the looks of it you aren't really in need of an additional quilt, however, if you get the opportunity to try another check out Warbonnet's Diamondback. They are similar in features to the Nunatak and are fully customizable via the website.They also offer a differential cut as an upcharge. I have an older one from 2018 before they were giving that option, but it still has tons of loft. Price point wise I feel like it is a little better than some of the others and they always have a holiday sale that offers some really good savings. 👍 Great comparison.

When my Zpacks Zero gives up, I don't know what I'll do. A 55 liter pack that weighs 9 ounces is impossible to replace. Stock up on repair tape I guess.

great vid, you earned a new subscriber

Tarptent website says that their DCF tents last about one third less than double coated silnylon (ie silnylon lasts 50% longer than DCF). For anyone looking for longevity - or avoidance of landfill - silnylon is the way to go. Incidentally, Hilleberg’s triple coated silnylon tents have a reputation for lasting several decades of use.