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What is Power Scaling?
Welcome back! In this video, we’re revisiting our previous discussion on power scaling, but this time with a sharper, more concise explanation. 🔍✨ Whether you're new to the concept or looking to refresh your understanding, we'll break down what power scaling is, how it works, and why it's important in analyzing characters and their abilities in various media. Don't miss this streamlined guide to get up-to-speed quickly!
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Luffy Does NOT Have Toon Force, Here’s Why
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In this video, we explore the fascinating world of Toon Force and its absence in Luffy's Gear 5 transformation in One Piece. Join us as we delve into the concept of Toon Force, its relevance in various fictional universes, and why Luffy's power-ups may not align with this comedic and reality-bending ability. Dive into the debate about the existence and limitations of Toon Force, and discover wh...
Anti-Powerscalers DONT UNDERSTAND Stan Lee
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Explore the misconceptions surrounding a clip of Stan Lee discussing a commonly asked question of “Who Would Win?” Join us as we dissect the context and clarify the legendary creator's perspective on who emerges victorious in a fight, shedding light on the nuances often overlooked by fans. Gain a deeper understanding of what Stan Lee is trying to convey when he says “Well, it’s ultimately up to...
How to Research | The Work NO ONE Does
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How to Research | The Work NO ONE Does
Does Goku ACTUALLY SOLO???
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Does Goku ACTUALLY SOLO???
The Powerscaling Perspective: Episode 2 | GUEST STARRING HASHI
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The Powerscaling Perspective: Episode 2 | GUEST STARRING HASHI
Dragon Ball does NOT follow Many Worlds Interpretation, Here's Why
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Dragon Ball does NOT follow Many Worlds Interpretation, Here's Why
The World of Void is NOT INFINITE?!?!
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The World of Void is NOT INFINITE?!?!
Why the Debate Community needs to Clean Up the Act
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Why the Debate Community needs to Clean Up the Act
Dragon Ball Fans making FAKE SCANS?!?!?!
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Dragon Ball Fans making FAKE SCANS?!?!?!
The Abilities and Limitations of the Death Note
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The Abilities and Limitations of the Death Note
Goku is NOT Beyond Time, Here's Why
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Goku is NOT Beyond Time, Here's Why
Surfbone addresses an Anti-Power Scaler (RANT)
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Surfbone addresses an Anti-Power Scaler (RANT)
Let's Save Naruto VS Ichigo | Patreon Announcement
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Let's Save Naruto VS Ichigo | Patreon Announcement
SETH CANCELLED NARUTO VS ICHIGO | #SaveNarutoVSIchigo
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SETH CANCELLED NARUTO VS ICHIGO | #SaveNarutoVSIchigo
Find Out How You Can Join The BEST Scan Server In 2022
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Find Out How You Can Join The BEST Scan Server In 2022
Different Types of Evidence EXPLAINED | Powerscaling 101
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Different Types of Evidence EXPLAINED | Powerscaling 101
Is "The Potential" from 40K a Fake Character? (Hashi, Webcamparrot, VS Battle Mod)
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Is "The Potential" from 40K a Fake Character? (Hashi, Webcamparrot, VS Battle Mod)
How to Scale Higher Dimensions and BEYOND | Powerscaling 101
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How to Scale Higher Dimensions and BEYOND | Powerscaling 101
Powerscaling 101: What is an Appeal to Reality and Why Should You Care?
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Powerscaling 101: What is an Appeal to Reality and Why Should You Care?
Powerscaling 101: What Consistency Really Is (And What It Isn't)
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Powerscaling 101: What Consistency Really Is (And What It Isn't)
5 MORE Logical Fallacies in Power Scaling
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5 MORE Logical Fallacies in Power Scaling
Powerscaling 101: The Most OP Verse You've NEVER Heard of
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Powerscaling 101: The Most OP Verse You've NEVER Heard of
Surfbone VS DaddyGbaby Debate | Madara VS Aizen
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Surfbone VS DaddyGbaby Debate | Madara VS Aizen
4 Biggest Controversies in Part 5 EXPLAINED | Jojo Power Scaling
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4 Biggest Controversies in Part 5 EXPLAINED | Jojo Power Scaling
Gwenpool is NOT Beyond Fiction, Here's Why
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Gwenpool is NOT Beyond Fiction, Here's Why
PIKACHU vs GODZILLA | TEASER TRAILER
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PIKACHU vs GODZILLA | TEASER TRAILER
5 Logical Fallacies in Power Scaling
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5 Logical Fallacies in Power Scaling
Where is Inaccessible Speed on VS Wiki??? | Critiquing VS Battle Wiki
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Where is Inaccessible Speed on VS Wiki??? | Critiquing VS Battle Wiki
Omnipotence EXPLAINED | Powerscaling 101
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Omnipotence EXPLAINED | Powerscaling 101

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @azurawhatever
    @azurawhatever 4 години тому

    I wonder if Aleph-1 and above are considered to be above 3D? Since from what I see, most people think that way

  • @MatthewHollow
    @MatthewHollow 4 години тому

    Both are kinda equal. Shippers are worst than power scalers but Shippers are more popular and have better contributions quantity wise. I feel like the problem with power scalers is that they act way too objective on average and power scaling in general is more argumentive and toxic on avenge

  • @samant7101
    @samant7101 12 годин тому

    Can you do a vid or stream on Midnight Rants? He is a pretty cringe antipowerscaler, and I loved your antipowerscaling streams

  • @absolutleynotanalien8096
    @absolutleynotanalien8096 20 годин тому

    people are likely to be convinced by the persuasive guy, even tough he doesn't make sense after deep analysis. This is because people won't do two deep analyses before their subconscious has decided who is correct.

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 20 годин тому

      This can all be solved by simply saying everything is below 0D as fiction doesn't exist, and leave it to the writers and fans to decide who they want to win. There is a reason why what Stan Lee said still has a lot of merit even today.

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 17 годин тому

      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa it shouldn't be 'who they want to win', it should be who would actually win (if your name is any bit true to who you really are. then you need to get with the times. what stan Lee said was more so just to get people to leave him alone than anything else. people don't care about who some random person thinks would win, they care about the truth)

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 17 годин тому

      @@christianwhite8877 do you have any evidence to back up that statement? A lot of people claim Stan Lee said that for the reason you're saying without any proof.

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 17 годин тому

      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa how about the fact that he was asked the same questions about the mcu for years as the movies were coming out. people never changed the questions. he stopped saying anything for a while. then eventually said that with an annoyed/angry expression. if anyone was put in his position wouldn't it be reasonable to say it was to get people to leave them alone?. and how would that same group of people know what he meant if they couldn't tell it was obviously bothering him, yes lot's of people say things but everyone (and i do mean everyone) is capable of being wrong (the odds of all of humanity being wrong about the same thing might be low, but will never reach 0) and people like you who use his quote to justify stuff diminish his legacy (he had no beef with people power scaling, he just wanted people to learn on there own/teach others how to so he wouldn't contently be asked the same questions)

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 17 годин тому

      @@christianwhite8877 yet he or anyone else he was close with confirmed that. Unreasonable assumption fallacy.

  • @christianphrenger7902
    @christianphrenger7902 20 годин тому

    Aka Rhetoric Is Your Ability To BS Someone…

  • @fictionrumble
    @fictionrumble 20 годин тому

    Agreed

  • @ryomen____yagami
    @ryomen____yagami 21 годину тому

    Yeah I always use my very simple wording to neg diff people who try to sound smart like that

  • @dimitri4888
    @dimitri4888 21 годину тому

    Btw I just saw your video about the world of void misstranslation, and I want to say that universe 7 being literally infinite is most likely wrong as well. Here is evidence: 1. In both the anime and manga Bulma with her new radar mentions that the universe has a center and an edge. 2. The Freeza force says "70% of the universe will be ours". 3. The Daizenshuu saying "The endless, expansive space..." doesn't mean it has to be literally infinite in size, like always fans only take the highest end interpretation, in fact the same Daizenshu says that the kaioshin realm is 1/10 of the size of the macrocosm. 4. There is also a misstranslation in the manga that people use as supporting evidence in which Jaco says "There are countless galaxies", when in reality accordin to Herms he says "Tons of galaxies". If you are brave enough you could make a video mentioning this and talk about your opinion on Goku vs Gojo like you said in that video (I'm neutral on this since I don't know about Gojo).

    • @ryomen____yagami
      @ryomen____yagami 21 годину тому

      Gojo's infinity gets blitzed and bypassed by anyone who's hypersonic or hypersonic+ Goku is paper level via being fiction within fiction

    • @Exkaiber
      @Exkaiber 21 годину тому

      Who gonna tell him that every universe defaults to being infinite and none of these points helped disprove it at all? Oh wait, it’s me. 😅

    • @christianphrenger7902
      @christianphrenger7902 20 годин тому

      @@ExkaiberThat’s Just Not True Lol 🤦🏻‍♂️💀

    • @christianphrenger7902
      @christianphrenger7902 20 годин тому

      @@ExkaiberYou Came Out With That BS So Confidently Too

    • @Exkaiber
      @Exkaiber 20 годин тому

      @@christianphrenger7902it is. The cosmological principle would just be true in fiction as it is in reality, sans some special context(which is of course always possible) saying it isn’t.

  • @barnabastoma1075
    @barnabastoma1075 21 годину тому

    Finally someone said tge truth! Be honest,not confident! You are the best

  • @Exkaiber
    @Exkaiber 21 годину тому

    “Oh, you said it with your whole chest. You must be right.”

  • @lorenzowillis3067
    @lorenzowillis3067 21 годину тому

    W surfbone

  • @AlfaresAnas
    @AlfaresAnas 21 годину тому

    I think I agree tbh, although I do use Rhetoric myself, I do focus more on the quality of my arguments rather than mashing a bunch of seemingly big words to form a barely understandable sentence that makes the other position go "Wow, he knows so much"

  • @absolutleynotanalien8096
    @absolutleynotanalien8096 21 годину тому

    This is a short and thus has little time to explain but you should have added a comment to cite the philosopher's.

  • @KiyoKouji
    @KiyoKouji День тому

    Doctor who solos fiction because of that fr fr

  • @godversesans5152
    @godversesans5152 День тому

    Would being beyond "logic" give the character a potential r<f to the cosmology? As in an infinite trancendce thing

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone День тому

      @@godversesans5152 it would give them nothing

  • @godversesans5152
    @godversesans5152 День тому

    the discord link in the "links" section is invaid/expired

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone День тому

      @@godversesans5152 check again, I just updated it

    • @godversesans5152
      @godversesans5152 День тому

      @@surfbone it's working now

  • @logicthewomanizer7579
    @logicthewomanizer7579 День тому

    Damn he using my name I feel happy ❤

  • @theagentsquidfiles504
    @theagentsquidfiles504 День тому

    So here's something about composite characters I've been thinking about: what does a composite Superman actually look like? "Every version of Superman" is too broad, then we're adding fanfiction and the like (as you rightly point out in this short). "Every version of Superman published by DC" feels correct, but since compositing should be fair, say we were placing this composite Superman vs composite SHAZAM. The composite SHAZAM would be every version of SHAZAM published by Fawcett Comics. Which hasn't been a publishing imprint for a while. So Fawcett is SHAZAM right? Well... "Every version of Superman published by the rights holder at the time" is the most consistent version I can think of to keep things fair. What's amusing about this prospect though to me, is that a composite Supernan under this definition, would technically include the Superman from Goku vs Superman 3 since Death Battle was at the time the subsidiary of Rooster Teeth, which was a subsidiary of Warner Brothers the rights holder of DC. Meaning for a composite Superman battle, technically you'd have to scale both the statements presented by Death Battle AND the feats demonstrated in the fight animation. Let me know if I made a misstep somewhere in the logic here, because I think this is really funny.

  • @Ryng98
    @Ryng98 2 дні тому

    My girlfriend officially solos fiction

  • @abdulkenyseid8108
    @abdulkenyseid8108 2 дні тому

    in some verse logic is platonic law as real as people in this case your argument is invalid. since it assume nominalistic word.

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@abdulkenyseid8108 I doubt there’s a verse where that’s the case Lol

    • @abdulkenyseid8108
      @abdulkenyseid8108 2 дні тому

      @surfbone wod, and the misfit of demon king academy.

  • @KosuSama
    @KosuSama 2 дні тому

    I heard Surfbone likes feet

  • @909mcronald
    @909mcronald 2 дні тому

    Finally thank you i been waiting someone to do this

  • @laweenerafiqahmed3293
    @laweenerafiqahmed3293 2 дні тому

    r/intelligence scaling

  • @AlfaresAnas
    @AlfaresAnas 2 дні тому

    Logic applies to anything, Its absolute, no Philosopher would tell you they aren't absolute, or else they would believe that Contradictions/Paradoxes exist, which by definition don't exist

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@AlfaresAnas Goony scaler scales what

    • @AlfaresAnas
      @AlfaresAnas 2 дні тому

      @@surfbone what do you mean?

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@AlfaresAnas We don’t use Logic for literally everything that’s just a blatant lie and no one who studies philosophy that’s actually worth their salt will tell you that. You only hear that from people that like to goon in debates with people.

    • @AlfaresAnas
      @AlfaresAnas 2 дні тому

      @@surfbone We literally do, Logic is by definition "Correct Reasoning", Its our chain of premises that follow from each other to Infer our consistent conclusion, If Logic wasn't applied to everything, then contradictions would have existed, and by definition, they self-defeat the conclusion and negate your entire position, besides, who are these "Philosophers" that say this stuff?

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @ “Logic is by definition correct reasoning” Wrong, No definition says that. Logic is based on validity and it’s not the same as being correct. So you already proven my point about you not understanding logic. “If Logic wasn’t applied to everything then contradictions exist” So you agree we can conversations where logic isn’t found in? Then Logic isn’t everything. I can easily come up with an illogical or inconsistent argument and it now exists. You ironically helped demonstrate an inconsistency in your own premise. And therefore, logic isn’t everything. You should probably retake that philosophy class you never took.

  • @ausi6758
    @ausi6758 2 дні тому

    It's like saying you're taller than height or longer than length

  • @KinotheHedgehog
    @KinotheHedgehog 2 дні тому

    "Beyond Logic" doesn't automatically imply that something is boundless. One such example would be how BlazBlue uses the term beyond logic. In BlazBlue context, anything that exists beyond logic refers to an entity that exists outside of the realm of reality, and as such are immune to conventional weaponry. Because of this, other means such as magic or other illogical abilities such as Ars Magus and Seithr are required to harm them.

  • @bupboi6412
    @bupboi6412 2 дні тому

    I just think its funny that both communities make ship names

  • @OrangeEyesOfLoyalty
    @OrangeEyesOfLoyalty 2 дні тому

    My favortie arguments is, "This guy is beyond logic, so you cant use logic to prove your character outscales him". Truly the peak of fictional scaling

  • @ynorb9573
    @ynorb9573 2 дні тому

    Hey surf What tiering system/wiki do you use?

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@ynorb9573 Character Stats and Profiles

    • @Kebab5769
      @Kebab5769 2 дні тому

      he uses character stats and profiles afaik

  • @yunusahmed2940
    @yunusahmed2940 2 дні тому

    Logic binds everything

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@yunusahmed2940 no it doesn’t Lol

    • @yunusahmed2940
      @yunusahmed2940 2 дні тому

      @surfbone Why do you believe it doesn't

    • @surfbone
      @surfbone 2 дні тому

      @@yunusahmed2940 if you actually watched the short, you would know. Logic is not just fundamental law that allows things to exist. It’s a method of we use to understand things through reasoning

    • @yunusahmed2940
      @yunusahmed2940 2 дні тому

      @surfbone People who believe in the Laws of Logic do believe they're fundamental. Like the Law of non contradiction. I.e a married bachelor cannot exist because it's a contradiction of terms. In order to be a bachelor you cannot be married by definition. So there is no such thing as a "married bachelor". It's these logical laws that bind everything. That's what people mean when they say logic binds. If they mean "their own reasoning" by logic then they're just naive. I only made this comment because of your claim that "loads of scholars argue the laws of logic aren't absolute"

  • @barnabastoma1075
    @barnabastoma1075 2 дні тому

    Not ganna lie,Saitama suffers from these kinds of arguments xd

    • @ScarletSilverIron
      @ScarletSilverIron День тому

      @@barnabastoma1075 by the logic of OPM he isn't or rather in universe he the logical end point of a human being

  • @kelanwhite8857
    @kelanwhite8857 2 дні тому

    I say both are fun, but if i were to choose both, i would choose power scaling and never look back, its fun to compare similar characters and learn about what powers they have and how strong they could be, as of shipping? What is there to it? People take it way too seriously.

  • @seraphim6786
    @seraphim6786 2 дні тому

    "Many philosophers and scholars will say the laws of logic are not absolute" Hi Uh Philosophy major here That is false and bad philosophy Otherwise logical contradictions are valid and can be true or exist (Which is impossible) ((Also WHAT philosophers? This is like saying "studies have shown" without citing any studies))

    • @AlfaresAnas
      @AlfaresAnas 2 дні тому

      This is funny tbh

    • @KinotheHedgehog
      @KinotheHedgehog 2 дні тому

      When it comes to anything that doesn't have scans or actual evidence Surfbone will just make something up and expect you to believe it without any other grounds besides the fact he's been right about a couple of topics regarding powerscaling. He should just stick to debating characters on the internet and not dip his toes into things he knows nothing about, like philosophy since he just demonstrated he doesn't know anything about it.

    • @crim.1
      @crim.1 2 дні тому

      I think he's referring to dialetheism

    • @AlfaresAnas
      @AlfaresAnas 22 години тому

      @@crim.1 I don't think he even knows that

    • @ryanbrown9833
      @ryanbrown9833 14 годин тому

      @@crim.1 yeah but paraconsistency is the still the minority view amongst logicians, many still hold to a classical view.

  • @coreygossman6243
    @coreygossman6243 2 дні тому

    Which law of logic would you like to deny applies to the real world?

  • @father4308
    @father4308 2 дні тому

    Also to justify x character is illogical needs logic, as logic is reasoning of a certain thing, so to justify a character is illogical is self contradictory

  • @yareluludag782
    @yareluludag782 2 дні тому

    I know Characters beyond logic. Just look at literally every street level fighter in marvel or dc comics. Like wolverine: dude is sometimes struggling more with street fodder then with the f*cking hulk. He is just beyond logic. (Also when is the tiering system video coming and also how will it be. Will you explain the different tiers individually (because then you most certainly need more than half of the video for explaining the higher tiers) or are you just gonna explain what a tiering system is)

    • @father4308
      @father4308 2 дні тому

      That doesn't mean they are above logic, at least the 3 laws of logic.

  • @jasonwarren9279
    @jasonwarren9279 2 дні тому

    Laws are man made contrivances and don't exist outside of our opinions.

  • @mindmagicianfromstickworld
    @mindmagicianfromstickworld 2 дні тому

    I once saw a guy that said that Deku is boundless and that he's stronger than the Doom Slayer because he said that quirks are Supernatural and supernatural is beyond logic therefore boundless, and he seemed pretty convinced about it Man the replies got ruined by this mf that decided to ragebait people, sad and annoying

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 2 дні тому

      Every verse is below 0D, therefore, making vs debates pointless.

    • @Record12.22
      @Record12.22 2 дні тому

      @mindmagicianfromstickworld WTH😭

    • @Record12.22
      @Record12.22 2 дні тому

      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpano🤦

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 2 дні тому

      @@Record12.22 no wonder my grandkid's generation has gone down the gutter. You lot can only respond with one word answers and texts when someone makes a valid point.

    • @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa
      @Sweet_Lovely_Old_Grandpa 2 дні тому

      Exactly, no counter response... 🤡

  • @purplebeast8353
    @purplebeast8353 2 дні тому

    This depends on the verse you're scaling for instance if u scale wonder of u and soft and wet go beyond from JoJo's

  • @hashiondiscord8540
    @hashiondiscord8540 2 дні тому

    L short 1 out of 10 ratio + you can't cook mac and cheese by your self

  • @gewsbumpzdude2163
    @gewsbumpzdude2163 2 дні тому

    I use to work alongside someone who actively uses this kind of thing in powerscaling, along with applying real life scientific theories and philosophy to their scaling because of some non-specific similarity....dark times.

  • @theburnedman..
    @theburnedman.. 2 дні тому

    first

  • @azurawhatever
    @azurawhatever 3 дні тому

    Why don’t we just consider gag characters as a type of character in writing instead of an invincible group of characters? It’s like saying that all main characters are immortal and have Plot Manipulation because they’re main character?

  • @draconis17
    @draconis17 3 дні тому

    I'd argue that once we get into existence erasure we've left the category of "regeneration"

  • @VoidTempestEditz
    @VoidTempestEditz 3 дні тому

    Do you have the original list?

  • @ratman7923
    @ratman7923 3 дні тому

    Ok but bobobo does tho

  • @ramagovarth
    @ramagovarth 3 дні тому

    both sides consists of bad people.

  • @NazumanLawyer
    @NazumanLawyer 4 дні тому

    I love when people rate stuff form 1-10, then proceed to give half the things 10 or 11

  • @punkrider8758
    @punkrider8758 4 дні тому

    Devil's Advocating for the win 😺

  • @Neloch4
    @Neloch4 4 дні тому

    wtf? lol the cartoon i like is stronger, its literally that simple lol