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Mass Facing East: Two thousand years of liturgical orientation
One of the most obvious differences between the Old Rite of Mass and the Novus Ordo is the direction in which the priest faces.
Worship 'ad orientem', or facing East, is an ancient practice going back to the earliest centuries of the Church. Criticised by advocates of the New Mass as 'the priest turning his back to the people', it is nothing of the sort. Quite the reverse, in fact, it unites priest and people in a deep and spiritual way unheard of in most Novus Ordo celebrations.
Here Dr Joseph Shaw explains the ancient roots of Mass facing East, its theological and spiritual symbolism, and why arguments claiming that Mass facing the people was the practice in the early Church are totally spurious.
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LMS York Pilgrimage, 2014LMS York Pilgrimage, 2014
LMS York Pilgrimage, 2014
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On 29th March 2014, the Latin Mass Society held their annual pilgrimage to the city of York, where around 50 men and women gave their lives for the Catholic Faith, and in whose honour the event is held each year. Best known of these is St Margaret Clitherow, one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales (canonised in 1970) and co-patroness of the Latin Mass Society. High Mass in the Extraordina...
The Manner of Receiving Holy CommunionThe Manner of Receiving Holy Communion
The Manner of Receiving Holy Communion
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One of the most telling differences between the Traditional Latin Mass and most celebrations of the Novus Ordo is the manner in which the congregation receives Holy Communion. In the Traditional Mass, Communion is received on the tongue and kneeling; in the Novus Ordo in the hand and standing. Many clergy and laity are implacably opposed to the traditional practice, but, as LMS Chairman Dr Jose...
Silence in the LiturgySilence in the Liturgy
Silence in the Liturgy
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Silence is one of the most characteristic aspects of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite that marks it apart from the Novus Ordo. Many of the prayers said by the priest are done so either silently or inaudibly. There are very good reasons for silence in the traditional liturgy; a practice that dates back centuries to the early Church. In this short video, Dr Joseph Shaw explains the reason...
SeptuagesimaSeptuagesima
Septuagesima
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The holy season of Septuagesima is an ancient one in the Church's calendar. It is still celebrated in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, although it was abolished in the Novus Ordo Calendar of 1970. This short documentary outlines Septuagesima's purpose and its long historical lineage. It also examines the reasons given for its abolition in the Ordinary Form and the liturgical loss that ...
Walsingham Pilgrimage 2014 promoWalsingham Pilgrimage 2014 promo
Walsingham Pilgrimage 2014 promo
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The LMS's 5th walking pilgrimage to Walsingham takes place this summer from Thursday 21st to Sunday 24th August 2014. With Traditional Latin Mass every day plus traditional Catholic devotions, Confession available throughout the pilgrimage, this is the ideal opportunity to recharge your Faith and meet like-minded individuals and families. You can sign up for the pilgrimage here: lms.org.uk/news...
A Journey to England's Nazareth - The LMS Walking Pilgrimage from Ely to Walsingham 2013A Journey to England's Nazareth - The LMS Walking Pilgrimage from Ely to Walsingham 2013
A Journey to England's Nazareth - The LMS Walking Pilgrimage from Ely to Walsingham 2013
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The fourth annual pilgrimage by the Latin Mass Society to the ancient English shrine of Walsingham took place over three days in August 2013. Around ninety people took part in the 55-mile walk, with Solemn High Mass in the Extraordinary Form each day, and traditional Catholic devotions along the way. There was also plenty of time to strike up new friendships and acquaintances. Support the work ...
LMS Gregorian Chant Course 2013LMS Gregorian Chant Course 2013
LMS Gregorian Chant Course 2013
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Around Easter each year, the Gregorian Chant Network organises a residential weekend course for singers of all levels of experience. Gregorian Chant requires specialised training and this is provided by tutors with a wealth of teaching experience in this most beautiful of musical forms. Students on the course mainly sing with, or are planning to sing with, parish choirs and scholas who use Greg...
St Catherine's Trust Family Retreat 2013St Catherine's Trust Family Retreat 2013
St Catherine's Trust Family Retreat 2013
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Every Easter, the St Catherine's Trust for Traditional Catholic Education, with sponsorship from the Latin Mass Society, holds a Family Retreat. While it is aimed principally at parents with school-age children, everyone is welcome to come along and take part. All Masses and liturgical services are in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (aka Traditional Latin Mass). There are spiritual tal...

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  • @readtome_always
    @readtome_always 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for this video--The experience of silence is the most beautiful way to worship God- in the silence offered so generously in the Latin Mass, one’s heart can more easily contemplate the mysteries of the Mass and prepare to receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in a most reverent manner. The silence is such an attraction to enter into intimacy with Jesus.

  • @MrKingsley16
    @MrKingsley16 10 місяців тому

    The final point again emphasizes the weaponized ambiguity used by our leaders to blur the messages and create chaos.

  • @benjaminlicciardi3044
    @benjaminlicciardi3044 Рік тому

    Is there a source I could quote from that shows Justinian trying to outlaw the silence of the canon? Thanks

  • @truefaith9339
    @truefaith9339 2 роки тому

    M

  • @thanhmansour3490
    @thanhmansour3490 2 роки тому

    I like this video a lot. It would be funny however if our lady of walsingham comes back but shes an anglican now,

  • @wallamboklahong9125
    @wallamboklahong9125 2 роки тому

    I am in Love ❤ to be in the Traditional Church and no other, God's call to His Church 'first love' so we must hitch to His call immediately with bending knees and felling at His feet at the Altar and Tabernacle. Amen.

  • @johnfisher247
    @johnfisher247 3 роки тому

    Oh why don't they face me me me...I'm my own little god! Let's ignore God and pray to me. I often have team meetings facing in the opposite direction to those I am addressing. In the new Mass I turn my back to the God who is out there....so I can grimace, contort my face, posture, and look ingenously genuine....

  • @ricestew5
    @ricestew5 3 роки тому

    salves built that Abbey

  • @ricestew5
    @ricestew5 3 роки тому

    wast of time and space

    • @cycleSCUBA
      @cycleSCUBA 3 роки тому

      We are Christians, we can't be offended, we let you have your say, and we pray for your Salvation.

  • @preciousdevere288
    @preciousdevere288 3 роки тому

    We all faced the Tabernacle together facing East.After Vatican II that changed, My shrine at home faces East Latin Mass sung is beautiful.

  • @SmithsnMoz
    @SmithsnMoz 3 роки тому

    I know of someone else who didn't kneel before our blessed lord. ... But I would rather not mention him here...

  • @MsHburnett
    @MsHburnett 3 роки тому

    Alleluia

  • @tommorris3688
    @tommorris3688 4 роки тому

    Circa year 1530, King Henry VIII run into nuptual problems and had a tiff with the Pope at the time because the Pope would not grant King Henry VIII a divorce. In a huff, King Henry VIII enacted the Act of Supremacy circa year 1534 and the Church of England was founded as a result of the aforesaid tiff. However, some people in the Church of England would like to reverse the effect of King Henry VIII erratic (not erotic) behaviour resulting in the aforesaid nuptual problems, and bring the Church of England back into the Catholic fold, namely back into the true church.

  • @liyaarcher8239
    @liyaarcher8239 4 роки тому

    So is it sacrilege when deacons or leader of a communion service distributes communion? Or should they touch it with a cloth?

  • @MrTrigger6
    @MrTrigger6 4 роки тому

    I thought the priest faced the alter was for adoration of Christ.

  • @antonius3745
    @antonius3745 4 роки тому

    The hand communion was the first and original one as St. John Chrystomos states in his treaty on church-life in the 4th century

  • @justinjustinjustin10
    @justinjustinjustin10 4 роки тому

    On the tongue also prevents as best as possible the possbikity of the Eucharist being stolen and say used for satanic masses as it sometimes is. Granted I guess they could take it out of there mouth later but that probably doesn't happen. I'd think it would have dissolved or gotten soggy at that point. I go to Novus Ordo mass but am considering starting to receive on the tongue.

  • @lostboyrc623
    @lostboyrc623 4 роки тому

    Is it more charitable in this COVID-era to receive the Most Holy Communion by the hand?

    • @itsnando20
      @itsnando20 4 роки тому

      Lost Boy RC nope, because communion in the tongue can still be done contactless

    • @lupitacajero7185
      @lupitacajero7185 3 роки тому

      If you would get the virus through communion on the tongue, the acids in your stomach kill it (the virus), so no problem.

  • @jacoboVE_Cultura
    @jacoboVE_Cultura 4 роки тому

    Ruega por nosotros Santa Mater Dei Nuestra Señora de Walsingham proteje a tu pueblo Santa Maria Ora Pro Nobis

  • @weinerschnitzelrock1
    @weinerschnitzelrock1 4 роки тому

    In the United States in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles we "process" in a dignified manner .Fr. William Nichols has a You Tube explaining real life situations on receiving on the tongue and in the hand. Called "How Not To Receive" (I don't like the title but there it is). I doubt very much that the Latin Mass and receiving kneeling at an altar rail will overtake the Novus Ordo but I respect people that miss it. Personally, I remember as a youth that at the Latin Mass the congregation was less unified : some people saying rosary during mass, others distracted because they did not understand the language, others fumbling with their missals I'm just saying that there were some negative elements about the Latin Mass as well.

  • @michaelroark3263
    @michaelroark3263 4 роки тому

    Live in the past if you will. Leave the rest of us alone.

    • @lupitacajero7185
      @lupitacajero7185 3 роки тому

      God. NEVER CHANGES. THE PAST OF GOD IS ALWAYS THE PRESENT. DON'T FALL IN SATAN'S TRAPS.

  • @crsmith9988
    @crsmith9988 4 роки тому

    They should change many other things in that religion.

  • @elizabethpickering7407
    @elizabethpickering7407 4 роки тому

    Glorious and more of these pilgrimages are desperately needed with the state of the world. God Bless all who are able to go. Wish I could join them.

  • @determinedone3234
    @determinedone3234 4 роки тому

    Communion on the knees and in our tongue, is more than just good "Etiquette" as some claim. It is a matter of respecting the first commandment. It is a matter of giving God all of our devotion and respect. It is about having a healthy fear and respect for our Lord Jesus. Present in the consecrated Host. Which after consecration by a validly ordained Catholic Priest, it then becomes the real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. To Him all the Honor and Glory, now and forever. AMEN.

  • @gopinathanaugustinemunusam911
    @gopinathanaugustinemunusam911 4 роки тому

    1970 Vat 2 reforms simply demolished the preparatory practices of the principal points of our faith. Now there appears to be 2 Churches instead of one. It looks like there will never be a meeting point between the traditional ancient practices and contemporary. Today the modern Church is fragmented so to suit the interest of modernists. Very upsetting and confused.

    • @kevinphillips150
      @kevinphillips150 4 роки тому

      No. There is but ONE Church that is Holy and Roman. Time and tradition will not abandon what God has established. The other nonsense is just that.

    • @gailkarrer6041
      @gailkarrer6041 3 роки тому

      @@kevinphillips150 There is a counterfeit church which has been infiltrated by masons, communists, etc. lead by Bergoglio. There is the one, true church which is now a remnant and will be totally revived after the destruction of Rome. Saints have attested to this, also Archbishop Fulton Sheen. Bl. Anna Katherina gives a very vivid description of the situations, as well as numerous others. Fatima warned us over 100 years ago.

  • @mirthaetchristus
    @mirthaetchristus 4 роки тому

    ¡Que lindo video!

  • @mariamgonzales1485
    @mariamgonzales1485 4 роки тому

    I like it.

  • @H3H3r
    @H3H3r 5 років тому

    Hello brothers and sisters Jesus gave to Saint Bridget these prayers to be recited for twelve years www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/bridget_12years.htm

  • @aaronmilavec1579
    @aaronmilavec1579 5 років тому

    <quote> In the early Church, the faithful stood when receiving into their hands the consecrated particle can hardly be questioned. . . . St. Dionysius of Alexandria, writing to one of the popes of his time, speaks emphatically of “one who has stood by the table and has extended his hand to receive the Holy Food” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl., VII, ix). The custom of placing the Sacred Particle in the mouth, rather than in the hand of the communicant, dates in Rome from the sixth, and in Gaul from the ninth century (Van der Stappen, IV, 227; cf. St. Greg., Dial., I, III, c. iii).</quote> In the Gospels, Jesus says "take and eat" which means that Jesus wants his disciples to take in their hands and to eat the bread which he blessed and distributed to them. Since Jesus says, "I desire to celebrate this Passover with you" (Luke 22:15 and par.), it must be presumed that Jesus blessed and distributed (hand to hand) in accordance with Jewish usage during the Passover. If Jesus had placed the bread in the mouths of his disciples, this would have been a shocking deviation and would have been noted as such. The video above does a disservice to the Vatican II renewal of the Eucharistic theology and practice by regarding the imposing at all times and all places the supposed superiority of the practices of their youth. I, too, received communion on the tongue while kneeling with an altar cloth covering my hands [lest I touch the host]. Was I then more reverent than now when I "take and eat" and "take and drink" the Eucharist given to me? An Orthodox Byzantine priest discusses the various practices and concludes as follows: <quote> I don’t believe an argument can be made for one way being intrinsically superior to another. It is culturally relative to some extent, but ultimately comes down to the attitude in one’s heart: the interior disposition, leading to reverence or not, whatever our posture. [www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/09/communion-in-the-hand-standing-norm-till-500-900-ad.html] </quote> This is the position that I would invite those who listen to this video to consider for themselves and for the renewal of their Church. Fraternally, Dr. Aaron Milavec

    • @KMF3
      @KMF3 5 років тому

      Just proves that much learning does NOT mean you know the truth...as in the Truth... the person....Jesus Christ.

  • @ianmckay6068
    @ianmckay6068 5 років тому

    What a load of fancy dress nonsense! Get real. We live in 2019 and these people are living in the Dark Ages. Spare us from these fools who are delusional

    • @gregrudd6983
      @gregrudd6983 5 років тому

      That is what "Susan from the Parish Council" thinks.

    • @mestredasdesilusoes7639
      @mestredasdesilusoes7639 5 років тому

      MUH CURRENT YEAR

    • @ianmckay6068
      @ianmckay6068 4 роки тому

      @@gregrudd6983 Susan is probably right. It is a load of nonsense where right wingers show they have not a clue about the real world in which we live.

    • @alhilford2345
      @alhilford2345 4 роки тому

      @@ianmckay6068 : Surely you know who "...Susan from Parish Council. .." is !

    • @ianmckay6068
      @ianmckay6068 4 роки тому

      @@alhilford2345 Total nonsense and irrelevance. Fancy dress parade freaks

  • @thepubliceye263
    @thepubliceye263 5 років тому

    Not sure how something's specific character is retained by removing fundamental parts of it

  • @preciousdevere288
    @preciousdevere288 6 років тому

    Saint Margaret Clithero suffered terribly, a wonderful good soul who put Jesus first. Patron of the Catholics Women's League and forever in our hearts with all our blessed Marty's x

  • @preciousdevere288
    @preciousdevere288 6 років тому

    Our Lady of Walsingham Pray for Us x O Pia Dulcis Virgo Maria xxx

  • @BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
    @BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian 6 років тому

    Which Kyrie setting is used at the beginning of this video? It's so beautiful!

  • @andriyivanovich1291
    @andriyivanovich1291 6 років тому

    Antiphon. O all ye saints of England come ye unto the Holy Place of Walsingham and bless ye the Lord. ℣. Pray for us, thou Virgin of Walsingham; ℟. That we may be worthy of the Promises of Christ. Almighty Father, whose holy Son Jesus Christ was born of a pure and Sinless Virgin, grant that like as we do pray once more for the renewal and conversion of England, so may she whose dowry England is, provide her intercession with your son, our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Ghost, ever one God, world without end. ℟. Amen.

  • @aahlstrom93
    @aahlstrom93 6 років тому

    I go to the Ordinary Form, have been to the Latin Mass but honestly I just prefer Mass in English and I hope some day for the return of the ad-orientem posture in our vernacular Masses.

  • @etherealcatholic5711
    @etherealcatholic5711 6 років тому

    Yall should do a video on the new rite of Ordination & Consecration.

  • @billwild7512
    @billwild7512 7 років тому

    As a revert , I crave the traditional mass that I remember as a small boy, somehow communion in the hand doesn't seem to show the reverence I desire to show , I'm not sure I understand the closing comments of the video , is it saying it just doesn't matter

    • @shirtless6934
      @shirtless6934 6 років тому

      If you are dissatisfied with receiving communion in the hand, then, as you approach, tilt your head back and stick your tongue out at the priest. Try not to slobber over him though.

    • @mosesking2923
      @mosesking2923 6 років тому

      The last quote simply states that most Catholics are not aware of the theological significance of the Vatican ii reforms. Yes, there is evidence that early Christian received on their hands. However, most Catholics simply viewed this as another change and thus, that receiving communion on the tongue must never have been that important.

    • @mosesking2923
      @mosesking2923 6 років тому

      There is no way to simply wipe away Vatican II without ruining the reputation of the Church. At best, we can hope for a third Vatican council to supplant the last one, in the same way that Vatican II supplanted Trent. We need a traditionalist Pope who can swing the pendulum in another direction.

  • @petercarlson811
    @petercarlson811 7 років тому

    But the still laity faces the east. So why all this hang up if the priest does that during all of the mass too? If one believe that Christ will comes from the east facing the west then he will face the laity and since the priest acts in persona christi then it is perfectly logic that he faces the west when fulfilling his priestly duty.

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 4 роки тому

      @Harry Waddington so? What direction is the father in?

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 4 роки тому

      @Harry Waddington Really? And you can of course support this claim with evidence?

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 4 роки тому

      @Harry Waddington Then cite the paragraph in the catechesis.

  • @etherealcatholic5711
    @etherealcatholic5711 7 років тому

    Do you all properly fast after Midnight for Holy Commnion?

  • @jasonburdette7879
    @jasonburdette7879 7 років тому

    Receiving Holy Eucharist in the hand is Sacraledge.

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 7 років тому

      No it is most certainly not. Why would it be?

    • @jasonburdette7879
      @jasonburdette7879 7 років тому

      Peter, You must be Novus Ordo

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 7 років тому

      Jason Burdette "be Novus Ordo". Care to explain how a person can "be" a rite? I celebrate the holy mass according to a variety of rites depending on where in the world I am. I've celebrated mass according to some of the Byzantine rites, Antiochian rites and the Alexandrian rites. Also according to the Benedictine rite, Carmelite rite and the Premonstratensian rite.

    • @petercarlson811
      @petercarlson811 7 років тому

      Jason Burdette still no explanation of the statement you made earlier.

    • @jamie7880
      @jamie7880 5 років тому

      @Knights Templar of Texas but in extraordinary circumstances

  • @Robotnik
    @Robotnik 7 років тому

    The problem was the restoration to "suit modern times." That there is the Greenlight to gut all Octaves and Foreseasons. This is why many Latins will to go East where committees and overtinkering is frowned or even outright Forbidden. The Latin Rite, been the biggest Rite, and rite of the Pope, has always been Target No1 by the Devil and foes of the Church to mince and unhallow since time immemorial.

  • @JacobSnell1998
    @JacobSnell1998 8 років тому

    The sacred direction in ancient Judaism was towards Jerusalem, towards the Presence of the transcendent God - "shekinah" - in the Holy of Holies, as seen in Daniel 6:10. Even after the destruction of the holy Temple, the custom of turning toward Jerusalem was kept. This was how the Israelites expressed their hope for the coming of the Messiah - the Christ, for the rebuilding of the Temple, and the gathering of the People of God from the dispersion. After the First Coming of the Christ, His life, death, Resurrection, and Ascension unto the Father, Christians no longer turned towards the earthly Jerusalem, but toward the new, heavenly Jerusalem. It was their firm belief, in keeping with the same hope for the First Coming, that when the Risen Christ would come again in glory, he would gather his faithful to make up this heavenly city. So in imitation of Jesus Christ, the Good Shepherd, a good priest, being a pastor of souls, leads his flock towards that heavenly Jerusalem. In the unbloody Sacrifice of Christ, from the road of the early Jerusalem, to the Cross, to the tomb of the Resurrection, unto the Heavenly Jerusalem, the August Sacrifice of the Mass is facing always East. "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matthew 24:27-28 "Now when Daniel knew this, that is to say, that the law was made, he went into his house: and opening the windows in his upper chamber towards Jerusalem, he knelt down three times a day, and adored, and gave thanks before his God, as he had been accustomed to do before." Daniel 6:10 "For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts." Mal. 1:11

  • @TradOrganist
    @TradOrganist 8 років тому

    The term extraordinary form is a modernists invention. The nee mass is completely made up and a load of mud.

    • @etherealcatholic5711
      @etherealcatholic5711 6 років тому

      TradOrganist Agree!!

    • @derekward3512
      @derekward3512 6 років тому

      Straight White Male No. The members of the church can. I don't see how you got that implication

  • @BuckDanny2314
    @BuckDanny2314 8 років тому

    That is quite right... for the most part. In the Ordinary form, the priest can also face the east, and celebrate "ad orientem". In fact, there are rubrics of the actual missal who explain when the priest has to turn towards the people, and when he turns towards the altar. If the norm was the celebration "versus populum", these rubrics would be useless.

  • @johng209
    @johng209 8 років тому

    I don't know how people who read the actual words of Jesus Christ could ever turn communion into the dog and pony show it has become. It just seems over the top and ritualistic compared to the simplicity Jesus did it with. I encourage everyone to study the history of the Catholic Church and how communion was practiced before they got so much power and started burning men women and children at the stake.

    • @standev1
      @standev1 7 років тому

      You're not Catholic, are you? So you don't understand what the Holy Communion really is. If you believed in the Real Presence, you wouldn't write such a comment.

    • @kfedyanks
      @kfedyanks 2 роки тому

      “Things that never happened for $500 Alex”

    • @johng209
      @johng209 2 роки тому

      @@kfedyanks Haha. You might be right but my family's (Mennonite) history says otherwise. It may have been exaggerated though, I'll give you that.

    • @Cjnw
      @Cjnw 6 місяців тому

      ​@@kfedyanksAlex Trebek has since died. Also, his Ukrainian Greek Catholic rite uses St John Chrysostom method of Communion distribution, priest mixes consecrated Bread and Wine into the chalice first.

    • @Cjnw
      @Cjnw 6 місяців тому

      Christ died on the Holy Cross, not at the "Dog and Pony Show"!!

  • @MrMrjjk3
    @MrMrjjk3 8 років тому

    I'm going on this pilgrimage tomorrow and can't wait. Out Lady of Walsingham Ora Pro Nobis St. Christopher Ora Pro Nobis English Mayters Ora Pro Nobis.

    • @Likes_Trains
      @Likes_Trains 3 роки тому

      Hey Jack 😀 ! I'm definitely asking you about this tomorrow 😁

  • @Garbanzo884
    @Garbanzo884 8 років тому

    Thank God the Orthodox and most Eastern Catholics have kept ad orientem.

    • @etherealcatholic5711
      @etherealcatholic5711 6 років тому

      Thomas Carney So have Traditional Catholics.

    • @shirtless6934
      @shirtless6934 6 років тому

      I suppose you think God gets a crick in his neck if the priest faces other than East.

    • @steventrosiek2623
      @steventrosiek2623 6 років тому

      Maronites face west since reforms of Vatican II. To say that they're Eastern is a joke.

  • @777teamoati
    @777teamoati 9 років тому

    eastern church...so byzantines do this

  • @starlightatdusk4896
    @starlightatdusk4896 9 років тому

    Restored in the Ordinariates.