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The Wandering Inn Extra
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Приєднався 23 жов 2022
A channel dedicated to short clips and extra content from The Wandering Inn, designed to give you a glimpse of the shows we have done, maybe to interest you in watching the whole show!
Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 8
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Episode 1 is missing unfortunately. Apologies.
Episode 1 is missing unfortunately. Apologies.
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Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 7
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Glowy Buttholes
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From The Wandering Inn Discord Channel, this is just some footage of us messing about on Helldivers and I decided to record it. Features : Helix, Perto, Mert, Crumley Fisteroon Enjoy, maybe?
Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 5
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Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 6
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Watch TTRPG Shows : @Wandering_Inn Episode 1 is missing unfortunately. Apologies.
Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 3
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Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 4
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Flotsam and Jetsam : Patreon Campaign - Episode 2
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XP to Level 3 read those terrible "44 rules" for D&D, and I disagree.
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So, wasn't really how I intended to start content on this Channel, but I was shown this video, and I didn't understand how any of the conclusions reached came about. Ultimately, I just didn't like how the original creator of these rules was presented, treated or talked about. And I feel that the end of the original video was especially objectionable and thoughtless. If you're interested in my M...
I want to specify that the houses and apartments my character helped build were built off the beach into the forested area we had clear cut.
Jacob constantly makes call backs to past rules, its why he takes such an issue with them because individually most of these rules arent THAT bad but when stacked on top of eachother it makes an extremely oppressive game. Idk where you got that he doesn't call back to past rules, its why he keeps bringing back up the "bashing your face into every wall and acting out your rolls" bit
I believe I said that he doesn't consider any other context or possibility. And he hyperbolises the scenarios. Now this may possibly be for comedic effect, which isn't put across well because he is heavily critical and upset throughout. Also, I may have misspoken, but I believe I said that he doesn't CONSIDER past rules as he is going through, and it doesn't adjust his view of the situation.
My biggest gripe about this I think is that you kept accusing Jacob of imagining context that wasn't there while you kept doing the exact thing you're accusing him of
No, sorry. I understand you liking Jacob and his videos, and I won't disagree there. But I kept the context open, I gave everyone including Jacob, the benefit of the doubt. I would suggest that you want to defend him because you like him, and don't want him to be wrong. Which is very understandable.
@@thewanderinginnextra I'm perfectly fine with him being wrong, hence my other comment saying that your arguments make logical sense, just not practical sense
All in all your arguments make logical sense (for the most part) but when applied in a practical sense they fall apart. What Jacobs saying doesn't always make logical sense but when practically applying the rules as they are literally written what he says very much makes sense
I'm sorry, I tried my best, but I don't understand this argument at all. If you judge the rules one-by-one in isolation, yeah they definitely seem bad, and you have to keep in mind, i'm not advocating that they are good rules. I beleive I said this group should go their seperate ways, because this situation isn't good for or from anyone. My take was that Jacob went in with a bias and had a bad reaction and take on the situation that only got worse as he got more upset. If you or him are making the argument that if your DM tries to implement rules like this out of nowhere, then that's bad I 100% agree, but as we saw throughout the video, Jacob was specifically criticising and talking about that specific DM with much more unfair things than I, in fact, pointed towards Jacob. Ultimately, if you disagree, fair enough, i've presented my perspective as best I can, and why I thought the video didn't do what it wanted to do or should have done. If he just made a dumb comedy video making fun of the situation, for example, i'd have no complaints.
@thewanderinginnextra Individually yeah these rules arent all that bad but that's the point, a lot of these rules interlink in ways where it's almost impossible to not break multiple at once on pure accident. Some are decent (albeit the punishments listed are bs) but others very much come across as the DM purposely setting up unfair rules just so they can quit this game and go home (they keep bringing up going home)
For the "Don't roll and then say what you're doing" one I understand where you're coming from but it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what Jacob said. He specifically referred to Fireball, a spell that the player does not make a roll for. The DM has to roll because whoever/whatever is in the radius of that attack has to make a roll to dodge it. You said in the beginning you don't know D&D very well so this misunderstanding makes sense but Jacob even said he agrees with this rule, he never said anything about making the DM roll for everything
Fair enough, I can't remember the context, but if I got that wrong then that's fair.
On the "You must act out persuasion, etc." Bit, you said we dont have the context to say the DM expects players to get up and try to intimidate them if they want an intimidation roll but we do, the rule itself literally says it
I believe I gave a consideration of this point and said if he FORCES people to act out the persuasion etc, then yeah not a fan and disagree with that. But if players are insisting on persuasion rolls where it makes no sense, and then winning and forcing the GM to roleplay THAT out, I feel that is also unfair. As I said, we don't have the context of what the rule means. You're making assumptions based on nothing, and as we add context it we can paint a fuller picture if we're paying attention.
@thewanderinginnextra I've added zero context to the rule because we aren't given context, so I take it very literal. The rule as written tells us that the players MUST act out these scenarios before they're allowed to roll for them
The "if you think my rules are unfair then I'll leave" one definitely was about the rules, not the players disagreeing with rolls. Theres not a lot of room for interpretation there so idk what you mean when you say he "went off the rails" with his reaction to that rule
Imagine a room full of drunk, high people who aren't paying attention. Or just people who argue everytime a result doesn't benefit them, or just the rest of these rules we're presented with. I think there's a lot of room for interpretation. Edit* Additionally, while I agree that if that was the only rule in a scenario with a group of friends just getting along and everything is fine, then that's a fine reaction because it is an extreme rule. However as we go through the video and keep that rule in mind, a picture forms where it seems less like an abusive or power hungry GM, and more like a group of roleplayers who just aren't working out, GM and players.
@thewanderinginnextra There's quite a few of these rules that are absolutely unfair, cherry picking the ones that do make sense doesn't invalidate that
Sheepy shooting at us more then just for "Justice."
your friends are funny
@CHICLAYO_10 With friends like us, who needs enemies? I think Sheepy still has night terrors about my laser drone...
After these sessions, I finally retired the laser robot. It is of the devil. =O
Yeah, you retired it, but only after it killed you.
@Sarriff125 100% 🤣
This video showcases how awful most people are at reading things as they are written. The way they were meant. Literacy seems to be at an all time low for some reason. Regardless, I think you did a fantastic job pointing out inaccuracies while not being rude nor hostile, which is commendable because I know I would not be able to do the same if the person acted this smug. You were even TOO fair to Jacob, with the way he presented some of those points. For example, at 48:10, it is very clear from the way it's written that it is in character, because they phrased it the way they did - "to an npc" - not about an npc.
Everytime : "MR MATT YOUR LASER SET ME ON FIRE!" Mr Matt : *surprised Pikachu face* "Whaaaaat?"
I'm someone who hasn't played a lot of dnd so this rule list is super off putting. Threatening to drive home or fight players irl is a massive red flag. It is a game, and don't villianize me for saying this, but ultimately I feel like a DMs job should be to make sure their group has fun, not stroke their own ego. Some of the dnd community is way too up tight it's unhealthy.
While what you're saying is right, in this instance I feel like it doesn't really apply when the details are looked into. Also, you must consider that the GM does more work, puts more effort into the game/campaign, and, probably is not paid. You can argue that they don't have to do it, which is right, but to say it's their job is a little unfair. No villainising, but you have to consider both sides, you could equally say it's the player's job to work with and respect the DM for the hard work they do, and try to both have fun and play the game before them, instead of getting drunk, turning up late or not at all and not paying any attention to whats going on when they're not actively involved. I do agree that the rule list seems very off putting for a normal game/campaign, but I think that's sort of the point, it got to the point where it was anything but normal, probably.
Thanks for your reaction. I saw the original video and it bugged me as well. It came off as a guy trying to workshop his next (in my opinion, incredibly unfunny) UA-cam comedy skit rather than someone who was actually trying to engage with the content he was presenting. I admire how generous you were being to him hahah.
Well, I understand the position of just wanting to bash out another video and not really engaging with the topic. Plus it does also seem to have hit a nerve somehow and I think there was some unintentional projection. My main critique is really just that it sucks for the DM to have the situation presented in such a biased way without thought for context or nuance. But then again... well, a lot of UA-cam videos lack both because speed and brevity is sought after xD
Charlie Foxtrot when?
Christ, it's embarrassing how stupid Jacob is. A lot of these are extremely autistic misunderstandings of what the angry DM wrote.
XP To Level 3's take was completely, embarrassingly smugnorant. He sucks ass, and i can never take him seriously again. Like a child.
I think this video was extremely fair to XP to Level 3. The GM who made the list of rules sounds like he's going super-authoritarian in his rule changes, but the context given by that list implies that he was surrounded by players who were drugged out of their minds, wandering around whimsically, not paying attention to the game and cheating regularly enough that rules had to be made about it. There was never any attempt throughout the entirety of XP to Level 3's take that he considered these aspects. I would hope that - as you suggested - he made the video at different times, and thus forgot some of the previous rules, but as the video goes on, he references old rules again in excruciating detail during his (essentially) bullying idea near the end of his video, showing that he *does* in fact remember the prior rules. I've seen a few of his other videos and I liked them, but what I saw was all comedy-based and pretty funny. While his "44 Rules" video does have a few comedic bits to it, I agree with you that the take seems to be almost completely serious, especially considering XP to Level 3's apparent frustration and comments about the rules. If he'd gone full-bore at the comedy angle, a bad take could have been hilarious and harmless, but as of the time of my writing this comment, he is giving mixed messages to more than 800,000 people, speaking out of one side of his mouth to tell them to be more communicative to improve such a situation, but out of the other, excitedly stating how much fun it would be to effectively enrage this GM on purpose. Moreover, he says it while completely dismissing any likely unacceptable behavior by the players. I expected better of someone who seems to have a lot of GM/player experience like XP to Level 3, and I hope that his viewers who see that video don't bring the bullying behaviors into games which he proposed. Although this video was quite lengthy, I feel that it gave the time and attention necessary to address each point XP to Level 3 made while being fair. I thought it was a great video and appreciate you taking the time to make it. Hopefully folks find it and give it a watch!
I think something else was missed, it's the player who is posting this as such they might not have worded this the way the GM said it. This would also explain why they removed it.
Yeah, I am starting to see how this is crap in turning from criticizing the list to criticizing the GM as author of the list. Sure, the rule seem awful to me but I am not the indented audience; these awful rules may have been the correct response to whatever was going on in that group. To me, the GM is extraordinarily not 15 years old, this is a busy person in their 30s/40s that has has like 3 hours for gaming per week and if they turn into 30 minutes net gaming time because the rest of group is doing [things mentioned in the rules] the person has far better things to do. The GM has respect for their time and effort and while this list might be overreaction, they still (as a person) have a "right" to have fun while GMing (and no obligation to GM if they don't agree with given groups play style).
So, reason I made this video was because I agreed that conversation is important in TTRPG groups, and I took objection to the way this video presented the context of these rules. I think it was a mistake, and a small one at that, but I really didn't like how the DM who made the rules was villainised, and the players assumed to be victims to the "Evil, Toxic DM". I don't think it was on purpose, I think it just snowballed into a really bad overall take-away, and I think it probably seemed like an easy video to make at face value. Unfortunately, we've all experienced miscommunication or a passive-aggressive table that just goes to shit. I don't think this video helped anything, so I decided to break it down, and see if I could get some good points and thoughts out of it. End of the day, i'm probably just upset about the British thing! :D
"HE'S BRI'ISH!!!"